A Shocking Escalation!

Summary

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Episode: A Shocking Escalation!
Date: September 10, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty features a lively, irreverent, and candid breakdown of major global news, with a focus on the latest "shocking escalation" in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and its spillover into Poland, along with in-depth discussion of Israel’s strike in Qatar and the diplomatic fallout. The hosts also tackle lighter topics including Apple’s new iPhones and social commentary on Kamala Harris’s newly released book excerpts. True to their style, Armstrong & Getty infuse their commentary with humor, skepticism, and sharp opinions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Russia-NATO Escalation: Drones Over Poland

(02:13 – 04:17; 08:30 – 09:46; 34:08 – 34:55)

• Incident recap: Russian drones entered deep into Polish airspace and were shot down by NATO aircraft (Dutch F-35s, Polish F-16s, Italian refueling planes). Airports in Warsaw were shut down as a precaution.

• NATO implications: Poland invoked Article 4 of the NATO treaty (a consultation among members), marking a serious escalation of Russian provocations near NATO borders.

  “A test by Vlad Putin perhaps of NATO defenses. A shocking escalation?”
  — Joe Getty (02:33)

• Hosts' reaction: Both hosts see this as Putin's boldest and most dangerous attempt to probe NATO's response and note that Western restraint has emboldened the Kremlin.

  “We spend all our time worrying about escalating. How about Putin worries about NATO or the United States escalating for a change?”
  — Jack Armstrong (34:39)

• Russian Denial: As expected, Russia claims Poland hasn't proved the drones are Russian. Dismissed by the hosts as disinformation (04:18 – 04:27).

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2. Israel’s Doha Strike and Diplomatic Backlash

(04:32 – 11:09; 14:16 – 14:35)

• Event: Israel carried out a strike in Doha, Qatar, targeting senior Hamas leadership, leading to anger in Qatar and a mixed U.S. response.

• Diplomatic Tactics: The hosts explain “tut-tutting”—the practice of governments publicly condemning an ally’s actions while privately understanding or approving of them.

• Host skepticism: Armstrong & Getty are highly skeptical about the viability of peace talks with Hamas, echoing David Ignatius’s commentary (Washington Post) and critiquing “phony” diplomatic performances.

  “So these peace talks you say have been derailed. Exactly how rosy do you think their future was? Or were they like every other single waste of time?”
  — Joe Getty (06:26)

• Moral calculus: There is pushback against differentiating political and military wings of Hamas; both are viewed by the hosts as terrorist entities.

• Did the US know? Discussion of whether the U.S. gave Qatar a heads-up about the Israeli operation, with hosts noting the plausibility of "strategic ignorance" (08:50 – 09:14).

  “You tell B.B. look, dude, we know you're gonna do what you got to do. Give us a heads up. But too late for us to do anything about it.”
  — Joe Getty (08:50)

• Notable diplomacy quote:

  “Where the strong do what they will and the weak do what they must.”
  — Joe Getty (05:35, referencing Thucydides)

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3. Apple iPhone Launch & Tech Trends

(11:05 – 13:26)

• New products: Discussion of thinner iPhones and camera improvements.

• Skepticism and humor: Hosts poke fun at the thinness fad, discuss usability, and express skepticism about the ever-increasing need for camera upgrades or processor speeds.

  “Does anybody feel like their phones are too slow in doing anything? I've never felt that way like even starting with the first one.”
  — Jack Armstrong (12:49)

• AI investment: Apple seen as trailing in AI; the discussion pivots to the ongoing tech arms race.

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4. Kamala Harris Book Excerpts and Vice Presidential Grievances

(13:26 – 14:08; 23:29 – 33:12)

• Media coverage: Fox is focused on Harris’s new memoir, while left-leaning networks mostly ignore it.

  “I think it's funny that only Fox is talking about Kamala Harris's book excerpts that are out on the Atlantic. …But Fox does because she embarrasses herself every time she writes or opens her mouth.”
  — Jack Armstrong (17:38)

• Excerpts read and critiqued:

  • Harris expresses regret and frustration at her and President Biden’s decision for him to run:

    “Should I have told Joe to consider not running? …In retrospect I think it was recklessness.”
    — Mika Brzezinski reading Harris (25:49)

  • Harris blames negative narratives on Biden’s staff, claims her “success was vital” to public confidence.
  • Hosts mock her for blaming others and being indecisive.

  “Kamala Harris. Here she is with all her many failures… and she's going to write a book blaming Biden and his staff. And the press and everyone else for the fact that… she talks about how heavy the responsibility was of being the first female president. Vice president. Give me a freaking break. Come on. I mean, seriously.”
  — Jack Armstrong (29:05)

  • Armstrong repeatedly notes Harris’s inability to make decisions, referencing longtime political reporters’ observations.

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5. Rapid-fire News Headlines

(18:40 – 21:36)

Jensen Raider covers major news stories:

• Poland Shoots Down Russian Drones: First time, seen as an act of aggression.
• Charlotte Rail Attack: Federal charges may include the death penalty.
• RFK Jr.'s Health Report: Focuses on childhood health, medicalization, and vaccine skepticism; reactions mixed from serious to “completely cuckoo.”
• Cruise Ship Gamble Gone Wrong: Passenger jumps overboard to dodge $16,000 gambling debt, rescued by jet ski.
• Babylon Bee Satire: “ICE NABS 475 illegal Oompa Loompas at chocolate factory,” drawing laughs from the hosts.

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6. Other Notable Segments

Photo Editing Tech ("Orwell warned us…") (12:34 – 13:08)

• Armstrong touts iPhone's background erasure on photos; Getty jokes about the Orwellian potential, leading to a light debate on authenticity.

Prune Watch! (23:13 – 24:06)

• Armstrong humorously tracks his constipation remedy protocol and office bets on “prune count.”
• The bit includes a playful “prune watch” jingle.

Mailbag: The ‘Philly Karen’ Ballpark Incident

(38:42 – 43:49)

• The audience weighs in on a viral video discussion from the previous day regarding a father's response to a confrontational woman at a baseball game who took a ball from his son. Responses range from sympathy for the dad’s restraint to criticism for appearing weak, leading to lively banter about masculinity and social expectations.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We spend all our time worrying about escalating. How about Putin worries about NATO or the United States escalating for a change?”
  — Jack Armstrong (34:39)
• “Where the strong do what they will and the weak do what they must.”
  — Joe Getty (05:35, quoting Thucydides)
• “Kamala Harris. Here she is with all her many failures… and she's going to write a book blaming Biden and his staff. And the press and everyone else for the fact that… she talks about how heavy the responsibility was of being the first female president. Vice president. Give me a freaking break.”
  — Jack Armstrong (29:05)
• “In retrospect, I think it was recklessness. The stakes were simply too high.”
  — Mika Brzezinski, reading Harris (25:49)
• [On iPhones] “You can now take close ups of insects on Mars. I mean it's, it's really, really good.”
  — Joe Getty (11:28)
• “Orwell warned us about this manipulating history.”
  — Joe Getty (12:19)
• [On the drone incursion] “A test by Vlad Putin perhaps of NATO defenses. Any shocking escalation?”
  — Joe Getty (02:33)

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Segment Timestamps

• Russia’s drone escalation over Poland: 02:13 – 04:17, 08:30 – 09:46, 34:08 – 34:55
• Israel Doha strike & peace talks: 04:32 – 11:09, 14:16 – 14:35
• Apple iPhones/Tech: 11:05 – 13:26
• Kamala Harris book discussion: 13:26 – 14:08, 23:29 – 33:12
• Rapid-fire news headlines: 18:40 – 21:36
• Prune watch comedy bit: 23:13 – 24:06
• Ballpark “Karen” mailbag: 38:42 – 43:49

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain their typically sharp, punchy tone, mixing serious analysis with sarcastic humor and commentary. They blend skepticism of political narratives with a no-nonsense, often contrarian perspective, while peppering the show with lighter anecdotes and pop culture references. Armstrong frequently takes a more cynical, mock-serious stance, while Getty rolls as the straight man but doesn’t shy away from pointed barbs.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Putin’s drone provocations are a significant ramp-up, with real NATO consequences.
• Behind every Mideast statement is a thicket of diplomatic posturing, often masking realpolitik.
• The Vice Presidency, at least per Kamala Harris's account (and the hosts’ skeptical reading), remains a bruising and thankless role, especially when tensions with the President’s staff run high.
• Even the most “routine” news events (cruise ship escape artist, RFK Jr.’s health plan, MLB ballpark confrontations) are up for dissection and comedic treatment.
• Technology isn’t above criticism or mockery—especially when marketed improvements don’t match lived experience.
• Through all the news, Armstrong & Getty emphasize considering motives, double standards, and not taking official narratives at face value.

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For those who missed the show:
This episode delivers a trademark Armstrong & Getty mix of timely analysis, irreverent humor, stinging opinions, and cultural observations, making international news feel like kitchen table conversation—if your kitchen table was staffed by two smart-aleck drive-time hosts with zero patience for pretense.

Transcript

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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here, Armstrong and Get ready live from Studio C Senior.

[Jack Armstrong]

We are in a dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And hey y'.

[Joe Getty]

All.

[Jack Armstrong]

Today, midweek, hump day, Wednesday. That's when we bring a camel into the studio. I hate Wednesday. And today we're under the tutelage of our general manager, Donald Donald Donald Tusk.

[Joe Getty]

The Prime Minister of Poland. Russian drones shot down by NATO aircraft deep, deep into Polish airspace. A test by Vlad Putin perhaps of NATO defenses. Any shocking escalation?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he had been testing that for a while now. I was following my Telegraph podcast. I listened to every day about Ukraine last week and they were talking about various Russian drones that had crossed the corner, caught the corner of Poland and there are warnings. And so Putin was just pushing further and further and apparently he pushed too far last night with what, a dozen drones well into Poland that were shot down. And it's a pretty big deal in that Poland had to shut down their Warsaw is the capital of the Warsaw Airport and all the airports in the area. I mean, you have to shut down the capital of your country's airport because of this. It's a big deal. And so They've invoked Article 4 of the NATO treaty, which is, we got to have a meeting about this and that will happen today.

[Joe Getty]

Dutch F35s, Polish F16s, Italian refueling planes, and there's one other country involved in the direct response. But yeah, this is Putin's thing. He does this sort of thing a lot. Testing defenses, flying right up to or even into various countries airspaces. But this is by far the boldest and deepest and is pretty shocking.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, I'm glad to hear it. As opposed to previous days when he was getting away with just a little bit. Just a little bit more. Just a little bit more.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And yeah, we'll see where this goes. What comes out of the meeting, of course, Russia made a statement over the night saying that Poland has shown no proof that these are Russian made drones. Drones and blah, blah, blah.

[Joe Getty]

This sort of. Yeah, shut up. Yeah, stop it. You know, nobody, nobody, nobody believes you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And then the other war that's getting so much attention is Israel's strike on hopefully Hamas leaders there in Doha, Qatar and the Qataris are angry and Trump claims he's angry, although you never exactly know. He might actually be angry. He sounded angry, he said angry things, but you never actually know. I mean, when, when Israel took out the nuclear reactor in Iraq or Syria or wherever way back in the day, we acted very, very angry. Then years later gave a medal to Menachem Bacon for doing it. So. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's what's called tut tutting in some diplomatic circles where a country does what it has to do and you're secretly kind of glad and, or you realize, of course they had to do that, but you just say, you know, it's highly irregular, provocative. This will not aid the peace process.

[Jack Armstrong]

It does not further the goals of Israel or the United States. Then that's it.

[Joe Getty]

You get, you get diplomatic cover and on we go. Where the strong do what they will and the weak do what they must.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, David Ignatius writing in the Washington Post, said this was the only path for a possible ceasefire peace solution. This was the only path that existed and it now is obliterated. So apparently.

[Joe Getty]

Quick question for David Ignatius. Well, go ahead, you finish if you like, sir.

[Jack Armstrong]

Apparently the only option now is for Israel to occupy Gaza and we'll see how that goes. The other side of that argument would be. And then you get to have the Last word. The Wall Street Journal crew said many will try to distinguish between Hamas's political and military leaders, but both are terrorists operating in suits from luxury hotels. Doesn't change the moral calculus, right?

[Joe Getty]

Of course not. So my question to David Ignatius would be, David, is Israel still absolutely insisting on Hamas laying down their arms? Disarming as a. As an organization? Yes. It's absolutely not negotiable. Okay. Is Hamas still, for their part, insisting that they will never, ever lay down their arms? Yes. Yes, that's also correct. So these peace talks you say have been derailed. Exactly how rosy do you think their future was? Or were they like every other single waste of time. Ridiculous. Once again, giving diplomatic cover to say, look at it, we're trying. At least we're having peace talks. It's just. It's so phony.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and more immediately, was there a terrorist attack in Israel the day before that these very Hamas leaders took credit for and cheered on, Right?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now the National Review believes that specifically. I forget which one of their writers believes that. So Trump put out a pretty stern warning on Sunday to the Hamas leaders, saying, this is your last chance. I'm serious. This is your last chance. And similar to when he gave Iran their last chance, a couple of days later, they get blowed up because they didn't talk serious about a peace deal. So that might be what happened.

[Joe Getty]

Tell you what, we have several excerpts from an interview Bret Baird did with the Israeli ambassador to the United States in which the the ambassador lays out in remarkably frank terms Israel's state of mind. And I was not really surprised to hear it's more or less exactly what I have been describing it as being. But it is unequivocal, and everybody's just got to understand it and quit with their phony David Ignatius, New York Times style, two state solution, peace process horse crap. What are you talking about?

[Jack Armstrong]

Did they give us the heads up or not? We're claiming they didn't or did, but not in time to warn Qatar. Would we warn Qatar? Would Trump actually warn them and say, yeah, Israel's about to strike, so shoot their planes down? Or, I mean, I can't imagine that we would have warned Qatar.

[Joe Getty]

Look, I'm like, not a half wit, maybe a two thirds wit. And if I know this, the President of the United States and his security team know this. You tell B.B. look, dude, we know you're gonna do what you got to do. Give us a heads up. But too late for us to do anything about it. Too late for us to call the Qataris give us some cover so we, the Qataris, can't say to us, why.

[Jack Armstrong]

Didn'T you warn us?

[Joe Getty]

Make it super short. It's like you're talking about, what is it called, Strategic ignorance, where you make sure the boss doesn't hear the stuff the boss shouldn't hear so he can deny it and be sincere. Same thing. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Trump is saying today that he has told the leaders of Qatar that this will not happen again. He guarantees it. So I don't know what that's all about. If he's going to actually tell Netanyahu that you don't get to do that again. If he's actually upset, I don't know. Who knows? It'll take, it could take 50 years before we find out.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah, yeah. As he said, you know, the Israelis will adapt and do something new in a new and exciting way. Who knows, maybe they've. They've infiltrated those new Apple iPhones. And any Qatari, any Hamas leader who buys one might be lacking their midsection soon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who knows? I forgot that was going to be my opening joke. The joke this morning I was going to be breathing hard and saying, sorry, I'm exhausted from carrying my heavy, heavy iPhone up the stairs. Can't wait to those new thin, lighter iPhones get here.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

So exhausting carrying these things around. I don't know if this will be a hit or not. The new thinner iPhones, I don't know. They, they, they come. You can buy a strap for them. So apparently even Apple thinks they're kind of so thin and light they're going to be hard to hold on to. Because I was wondering about that. You know, if they're really thin, it would. You'd have to very carefully hold them with your fingers in a way that you don't. Your current phone. Yeah, like a credit card or something. And so they comes with a strap you can put on them to wear around your neck.

[Joe Getty]

I don't. Yeah, the. There was no giant leap forward iPhone wise and Apple's had very modest growth in sales last several years and it's expected that will continue. But a lot of people have older. More people have older iPhones than was true like five years ago.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh really.

[Joe Getty]

So the thing thinking just by sheer dint of time passing, people want to upgrade.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that's not the 17. That's a different thing. The iPhone air is thinner. But then the 17 is like my current phone, the 16. And they've increased the camera capability. Cameras four times better. How much better can the camera get but they claim the camera is gonna be four times better than the current one.

[Joe Getty]

You can now take close ups of insects on Mars. I mean it's, it's really, really good.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is, it's fantastic. And I'm surprised more people don't use the, the technology that exists in iPhones and Google phones, I guess to clean up backgrounds. I do this for people all the time. They'll send me a picture and I'll say that's a great picture, here, let me do something for it. And like I pick up the dirty clothes in the background and send the picture back to them. Say hey, I haven't done that yet. It's so easy. Do not send a picture of your kid in front of the Washington Monument with somebody walking behind him. Get that person out of there. It takes like one press of your finger. Wow, it's amazing. I've gone back and cleaned up photos of from my kids that I took when they were little that I've made much, much better. There's no pile of dirty laundry behind them when they're taking their first step now.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I don't know that to me that's, that feels dishonest. I mean Orwell warned us about this manipulating history.

[Jack Armstrong]

In some cases you would, you'd be right because you would like to see what the living room looked like in those days. But in some cases, like if it's a first day of school, but you know, I don't know, there's a smashed up coke can down by their feet or whatever, you know, there's no need for that, but it's cool. I just absolutely love that feature. It's so amazing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I got to use that. So you just open up the edit and dive in, huh? Yeah, you can show me off.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, very easy. What was I going to say? Oh, the other thing that Apple mentioned, and they mentioned this every year and it means nothing to me, the new processor speed. Does anybody feel like their phones are too slow in doing anything? I've never felt that way like even starting with the first one.

[Joe Getty]

So yeah, I'm kind of a believer in a slower life these days, so.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can't imagine what sort of computing you're doing on your phone that needs to be slightly faster. I don't know, you're launching spaceships or something. Things I'm not doing.

[Joe Getty]

And the headline, the final headline on Apple, they still are way behind in the AI game, way behind your Googles and Androids and that sort of thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

I saw the list, I'll have to dig that up. Who's spending what this year on AI it was quite shocking. I'll have to dig that up. Dang it. Because there's, there's actually an interesting angle to that. How much various people are spending but companies are still obviously believe it's something cause they're spending tons of money on it. Kamala Harris is out with, well, her books are not out, but excerpts are out from the Atlantic. Or she blaming Joe Biden and her staff and all kinds of things as opposed to anything she did. And some good juicy stuff in there. Her speeches were too good. She was told she needed to back off. Wow. Anyway, we better start the show officially. We're getting ourselves into trouble here. I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty. On this Wednesday, September 10th, the year 2025 where Armstrong and Getty and we approve of this program, blah, blah, blah.

[Joe Getty]

Mark, did you get the targets you were seeking? If we didn't get them this time, we'll get them the next time. The Israeli ambassador.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the orthopedics in their shoes will blow up or something.

[Joe Getty]

We're going to hunt you down. We are going to hunt you down.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've got headlines on the way. Stay here.

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I'm calling it a caramel apple bar.

Oh, my God. That looks fantastic.

It's like an experiment. It's kind of like a blondie on the bottom with brown sugar and apples on top.

Caramel. Awesome. I don't think I can. Spectacular. Michael, I don't think we can say no to this. Probably not. Yeah.

I needed them out of my house. Get rid of them.

[Joe Getty]

All right, there's your cooking section. Let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jensen Raider filling in for Katie.

Yes, we're going to start with cnn. Poland shoots down Russian drones in its airspace for the first time, accuses Moscow of act of aggression.

Yeah, I'd say it'd be interesting to see how this plays out throughout the day.

Then the Washington Times, federal charges brings chance of death penalty for suspect in Charlotte light rail attack.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, just read the best commentary I've come across about that from the fabulous Nellie Bowles of the Free Press. Her assertion, every lunatic in America. America gets one free murder.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Let him do anything up to that first free murder.

[Jack Armstrong]

That doesn't seem to be the case.

Then a couple different headlines on the same subject. I'll start first with NBC News. RFK's juniors new Mahal report gives roadmap to improving kids health but stops short of action.

All right, I got comments on that. I heard on NPR this morning.

AP also says RFK Jr. S latest make America Healthy Again report calls for more scrutiny of vaccines and autism.

NPR is making a big deal out of how the schools need more money so we can eat more healthy, blah, blah, blah. More.

[Joe Getty]

That's the problem.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then the New York Times has six takeaways from Kennedy's childhood health report. Calls out over medicalization doubts of fluoride in the drinking water and then changes more on vaccine.

[Joe Getty]

Like a lot of things involved with the Trump administration. I think the report from what I've seen ranges from the very solid and important to the completely cuckoo and stuff in between.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And then the next one from CBS. Cruise ship passenger jumps overboard allegedly to avoid $16,000 in gambling debt.

Oh.

[Joe Getty]

Were they like out to sea or at port?

[Jack Armstrong]

So he. They were close to port. They had just left. I believe it was Puerto Rico. And then someone on a jet ski picked him up, brought him to shore.

Okay. Wow.

And then on shore, he was found with 14,600 in cash, two phones and.

Five IDs so had he done the gambling on the boat?

Yes.

Okay, yes.

So once authorities on land found him, figured out his real name, put him back to the cruise ship. It was a Royal Caribbean cruise. And then they pulled up his account and he had racked that up during his cruise.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, he must have been sloppy once he got to the land because it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seems like a pretty daring plot to me. No kidding, right?

And then finally from the Babylon Be Ice and enforcement action at chocolate factory NABS 475 illegal Oompa Loompas.

That's funny. And you send them back to Wonka Land.

[Joe Getty]

That's right. Get your orange butts on this plane you're on. You're deported.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kamala Harris's excerpts, among other things.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

We got this Text Prunes are dried plums. There is no prune fruit, prunes or plums. Now you might think that was obvious to people. It wasn't obvious to me. I didn't know that. I thought a prune was right. That's right.

[Joe Getty]

It's like a raisin is a dried grape. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've only heard about prunes as a joke from sitcoms. My whole life. I'd never looked for one or sought one out. They always used as a joke as something disgusting on sitcoms. When I was a kid, my doctor told me recently I should eat prunes because I have a regularity problem. He said, start with 1 or 2 and then add in. Just keep adding them in until you're regular. Yesterday I went four. Still no results. Today we'll go with five, I guess. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Up in the ante now.

[Jack Armstrong]

When I walk through the sales area as I did yesterday, people say, hey, well, how many prunes are you on now? I said I was on three today. Let us know how it goes. Everybody said, prune watch.

[Joe Getty]

They gotta put up a big board with, you know, the number of prunes up there and graphics. Oh, it has theme music now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Fantastic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Say that again, Michael. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Kind of a pop diva sound to that one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Singing about your prunes. I don't know how they're rolling out this book. I feel like we had excerpts from Kamala Harris's book weeks ago that we read. Is this the same book? There's another book already. Anyway, the Atlantic's out with a whole bunch of excerpts today, and Joe is looking through it because he actually subscribes to the Atlantic as a intellectual.

[Joe Getty]

I'm a closeted progressive. That's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And.

[Joe Getty]

But deeply closeted.

[Jack Armstrong]

They were going through some of the highlights on MSNBC today. I've seen scant coverage on the non Fox networks, which I think is interesting. It's the lead story on Fox. You would think the lead story. It would more likely be a lead story on the networks where it was your candidate.

[Joe Getty]

Well, unless the author is a jackass. And what really amuses me, as you pointed out earlier that Fox and Friends is having great fun with it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And the other networks are ignoring it. But here comes a twist. Msnbc, actually, Morning Joe has started to touch on it because especially Mika doesn't understand how funny it is, which is the funniest part. To me, little Mika thinks this is just an inspiring tome that will lift people up across the land.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here is Mika reading from Kamala Harris's book.

[Announcer]

During all those months of growing panic, should I have told Joe to consider not running? Perhaps it's Joe and Jill's decision. We all said that like a mantra, as if we'd all been hypnotized. Was it grace or was it recklessness in retrospect I think it was recklessness. The stakes were simply too high. This wasn't a choice that should have been left to an individual's ego, an individual's ambition. It should have been more than a personal decision.

[Jack Armstrong]

So she's.

[Joe Getty]

You get no credit for saying that now. Sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and also, maybe I picked up on this because Mark Halperin has been talking. He's known Kamala Harris for a very, very long time as a political reporter, and one of his main complaints about her was that she can't make a decision. She just can't make a decision. And that statement right there from her book was that maybe I should have done this. Maybe we went too far. I don't know. I mean, she still can't just come to a solid conclusion about something.

[Joe Getty]

Right. In retrospect, I guess it was reckless.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Yeah. So, you know, make a statement, have an opinion, but she. She. She struggles with that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, that certainly rings.

[Jack Armstrong]

And even if she comes to that conclusion, like you said, you get no credit at this point for that.

[Joe Getty]

I'm enjoying Mika's dramatic readings. Can we hear the next one?

[Announcer]

I was well aware of my delicate status. Lore has it that every outgoing chief of staff always tells the incoming president's chief of staff, rule number one, watch the bp. I often learned that the president's staff was adding fuel to negative narratives that sprang up around me when the stories were unfair or inaccurate. The president's inner circle seemed fine with it. Indeed, it seemed as if they decided I should be knocked down a little bit more. Their thinking was zero. Some if she's shining, he's dimmed. None of them grasped that if I did well, he did well. That given the concerns about his age, my visible success as his vice president was vital. It would serve as a testament to his judgment in choosing me and reassurance that if something happened, the country was in good hands.

[Joe Getty]

Me. How.

[Jack Armstrong]

So?

[Joe Getty]

We're.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're talking about this sort of thing with Charlie Sheen's new memoir that's out, and the way Charlie Sheen talks about his addiction versus the way Hunter Biden talks about his addiction, and Hunter Biden still blames others all the time when he talks about it. And Charlie Sheen was much more. I can't believe how out of control I was. I did this, I did that. You know, I'm responsible. Kamala Harris. Here she is with all her many failures. I mean, she was so bad so often in so many different ways, and she's going to write a book blaming Biden and his staff. And the press and everyone else for the fact that I know at one point, because I heard him reading this on Fox and Friends this morning, she talks about how heavy the responsibility was of being the first female president. Vice president. Give me a freaking break. Come on. I mean, seriously.

[Joe Getty]

Job ain't worth a bucket of warm ass. As was said famously back in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really, you felt extra pressure being the first female vice president then you're a.

[Joe Getty]

Nice nut, you know, And. And I mean, Biden's only been out of office for. It's not even eight months. It seems like eight years. But to have a book come out from the veep saying, yeah, president undercut me all the time. And his. His cabal. They're just trying to make me look bad. Hey, totally screwed me. I mean, that's. That's remarkable.

[Jack Armstrong]

She says at one point in her book she had given a speech and that the staff talked to her and said the speech was too good and that she needed to tone it down a little bit. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Just too smart and intellectual like her.

[Jack Armstrong]

I find that.

[Joe Getty]

Or too brilliant. And it made the president look dim by.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, embarrassing. That's what she is saying. But when was she giving these great speeches? I must have missed them.

[Joe Getty]

Well, they quashed at the dirty bastards.

[Jack Armstrong]

She also says that they never gave anything to do, which is very common for presidents to do. Vice presidents, not just her. And that she would show up to events, and there was nothing written for her to say. And I have no idea the way it's supposed to work, if there was supposed to be how it normally works in a White House. Seems like her people would do that. But anyway, she certainly made it sound like it was her understanding that she would show up to this event and somebody would, you know, have a speech written for, and she'd show up and there'd be nothing written explaining the. When you think about the passage of time, you have to think about the passage of time. But come on now, really, we should.

[Joe Getty]

Again, I thought she had staff, but. So she would show up, there would be, what, blank pages in the Kamala's speech hard, you know, folder thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if she. If she waited until she walked up to the podium to open up the little book and there was blank pages, I think that's on her.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow. So there's a lot in the Atlantic. Here is one of my favorite parts. She's describing giving that speech in front of the divine nine traditionally black sororities. I remember that in fact, one. One particular sorority she's talking to on this Day, there was a new energy in the room. As I walked onto the stage. A black woman was slated to be the Democratic nominee for president. It was us. And everyone there understood what it meant, that this would be a journey of both joy and pain. I was in a room full of people with whom, because of our shared experience, certain words did not need to be said. There is an emotion that comes from being in a place where people see you, support, you know, you. The kindness and love in that room penetrated the armor I usually wore, armor I'd need to put back on as soon as I left that room. The biggest applause came when I started to say what I would do to restore the rights of Roe v. Wade when I am president. A roar erupted that drowned out the rest of that sentence. The roar told me they could see it clearly for the first time. This could be, and it should be. And it was not because of gender or because of race, but despite those things.

[Jack Armstrong]

So she had to really put on the armor to go out there and. And go into a compliant media lion's den where they would throw her softball questions and overlook all of her flaws the entire campaign. She had to put on her suit of armor for that. Because. Because as a black woman, you know, the New York Times and CBS was really, really hard on her.

[Joe Getty]

Just beating the crap out of her all the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, man. Look for that in your own life. I tried to look for it in my life where any of your failures. You're looking for all the different people and things to blame as opposed to anything you did. So, so freaking weak.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. By a long time ago, wise man said to me, joe, you just told me about the hurdles you could have jumped over but didn't. I thought, row, that's a metaphor.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll remember. Too much blanking. Perspective, Right?

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Webroot.com Armstrong as we have mentioned, maybe the biggest story going on in the world right now is the fact that Russia tested NATO by flying a whole bunch of drones deep into Poland overnight. Poland had their fighter jets up there and shot them all down. And they're gonna have a big meeting of NATO today and we'll see where it goes from there.

[Joe Getty]

But Putin obviously not afraid to escalate. This is an enormous escalation.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I would say, as we've been saying since this whole thing started, we spend all our time worrying about escalating. How about they Putin worries about NATO or the United States escalating for a change? Anyway, Joe's got mailbag and a lot of stuff on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, governor of Arkansas, is on TV right now talking about success they've had in Arkansas since they banned phones in schools. My son was telling me a story yesterday about a couple of girls in his science class who are on their phones all the time in class. I can't believe that. Yeah, they just look at their phones. The teacher says you should put them away. Sometimes they put them away, but then they get him right back out again. How is that a thing? I just. I can't. I mean, ah, it makes my head explode, you know.

[Joe Getty]

Two reactions. Number one, Jack, they're just cheating themselves. But number two, the entire structure of education, like since it was invented, is no, you don't get to do what you want. You're here to learn. You're going to learn. You're a child. You don't get to make that decision that society needs you to not be an ignoramus in a ward of the state. So put your damn phone away. Yeah, these are odd.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you not allowed to just walk up and say, hand me your phone, you can have it back after class? Are you not allowed to do that.

[Joe Getty]

In the same places? Yes, you are?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what I would do.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, unless the principal and the school board aren't behind you. Then you wouldn't dare do that. Anyway, here's your fifth year. Your freedom loving quote of the day. Skipping away from our British authors for the moment because we like this from Paul. With the debt ceiling looming, France's debt woes. Not sure if you've used this one in your Cicero quotes. Probably have, but this is the great Roman Roman statesman Cicero.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled. And the assistance to foreign lands by the aid of our own resources should be curtailed. The fiscal sense has been around for millennia. We just can't seem to exercise it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Did you verify that? That's not an Internet made up quote. The assistance of our foreign lands should be curtailed. Sounds almost. Almost a little too perfect.

[Joe Getty]

It borders on too perfect. Yeah, I will take a look at that. But we will, you know, nonetheless, whether Cicero said it or not, it's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, true. Good point.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And the Roman Empire was absolutely drained of its finances by becoming too widespread, etc. Mailbag.

[Jack Armstrong]

A rare single topic.

[Joe Getty]

Mailbag.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whoa. What's the topic?

[Joe Getty]

Great, great, great email from a teacher about the failures of our educational system. We'll get to that later. The single topic is the Philly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Karen.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, surrendering dad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

Great variety of reactions to our coverage yesterday. We'll begin with this one from Maria. You gotta do it, guys. You gotta call her Cruella Difil. Lol. That's my email. That's all. Yeah, I can tell it's that's all because you're no longer writing if you missed yesterday's episode.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe was. Was not kind to the dad.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I don't. I think I was fairly reasonable and even handed. Let's see, let's see. Connie, who is a fan, says I feel less judgmental about the dad who placated the lunatic at the ballpark than you. Maybe because I have an adult son who's high functioning autistic. He's always been meek by nature. Fortunately, it doesn't have to be a tough guy to be a good dad. Whose 12 year old son. That's beautiful.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is great.

[Joe Getty]

Let's see though your lunch money bully is a better comparison. Does Jack, in hindsight, think he could have responded to the homeless man who terrorized him and his kids differently? Could have knocked the guy down and gone Derek Chauvin on him. Certainly would have made his kids feel safer than the cops did. It's easy to hypothesize about being defiant.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would have if I'd had to, but.

[Joe Getty]

Right, let's see. This is from Patty. Hero to zero.

[Jack Armstrong]

A better example would be is like if he demanded my iPhone or something. I wouldn't have given it to it.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Hero to zero. The dad could have been a hero to his son, a real man. Instead, he wimped out. The crowd would have backed him up. He sees himself as a hero for de escalation. But will his son remember it as the time his dad failed to protect his family? I abhor violence, but with a bully, you have to stand your ground. Now the Internet trolls have instituted vigilante justice. So much for de escalation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, interesting to quote Joe Getty, who impregnated your wife. It couldn't have been you.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, wait, I didn't say that. That's crazy. I think you did. Eric in Oregon. Not to zipruder the incident to death, but a review of the video shows the notorious Phillies fan Karen putting her hand on the father first. Queensbury rules call for breaking her wrist, clocking her orbital socket, then spinning around to choke her Out Gracie style. But seriously, we're taught not to hit women and she's maniacal, possibly mentally disturbed as well. I can't defend the man's ponce done not style pugilistic stance. But I can understand that he was in a weird position all with a child being present. He did the right thing and if I'm being honest, I'm still not sure what I would have done in the same situation. That's a really funny note. Thank you. How about Mike in Missouri? Based on responses to Matt Walsh's video agreeing with your view of the limp risk dad, it appears 100% of women think the dad is a hero. 100% of the men think he has failed as a father and a man. Well, 100% in the trend in our email.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, yeah. No, definitely not. And and of women I've talked to about it. That's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, indeed. Let's see. This is. I believe we'll just say w a big freedom and thistle be awesome. Thought you guys were a bit harsh on the dad. Bit too harsh. As for his initial reaction, he was focused on his son, so I had no idea who grabbed his arm. Not sure what my startled face looks like, but I hope my manhood is not judged by it. As for giving up the ball, I interpreted it as if you're so pathetic that this ball means so much to you, by all means have it. My only problem with that reasoning is it was the boys, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Like I said yesterday, if it was mine, I might hear you lunatic and let her have it because I don't care.

[Joe Getty]

But took the ball from his son.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Let's see. Wayne Frequent correspondent Wayne, most of the time I really like your show, but not today. Both of you came off as first class a holes. Your negative comments about the dad in the Phillies baseball incident. I think his reaction to the crazy woman coming up from behind, grabbing his arm, starting to scream profanities right in his face was completely normal.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know about that.

[Joe Getty]

It caught him so off guard.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't. But I'd be interested. You run that experiment a thousand times with random people. I don't think you usually get that response.

[Joe Getty]

Then here's my favorite part. I seriously doubt that either one of you had had the macho man reaction you claim you would have had. But you would have been just as startled as the dad was. I'm less surprised by Jack's comments than I am yours, Joe. Jack is usually the more cranky one and now he is so constipated he's probably crankier than usual. But you Joe, are usually the voice of reason and compassion. Maybe you should have a fruit a few prun. Also, you're somewhat disappointed fan. Wayne.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good point about your startled look, though none of us know what our own startled look is like. Like sometimes my son will come up behind me, I got ear pods in. I'm like ah, I don't know what I look like when that happens.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm not a big baseball fan, but I would have thrown the ball back on the field. Everyone loses, especially the Karen Rice John. That's an interesting idea, but just for the record, I I meant directionally what I said yesterday, but I was mostly just being silly.

[Jack Armstrong]

For those who missed Joe, Getty walks it back. Oh, that's disappointing.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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