A Show Sham Scam!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "A Show Sham Scam!"
Date: November 21, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts | Featuring: Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Zing Singh

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Episode Overview

This episode covers a lively and wide-ranging discussion on the subtle “scams” and social performances found in modern life—ranging from coffee and wine tastings, to government programs, and public debates on socialism. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty use humor and candid, sometimes caustic, commentary to analyze cultural trends, the rise of socialism among young Americans, waste and grift in government programs, and international developments from U.S. politics to Ukraine. The tone is irreverent, conversational, and opinionated, with a focus on skeptical inquiry and personal anecdote.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "Show Sham Scam": The Performance of Taste and Expertise

[03:57–07:36]

• The episode opens with a comedic analysis of coffee shop culture, poking fun at the barista lingo and the “performance” surrounding coffee and espresso tasting.

• Jack Armstrong: Explains how different Starbucks cup sizes impact espresso flavor, with a mock-serious tone.

• Joe Getty: Offers a skeptical take on people claiming to taste subtle notes in coffee ("I've never gotten any of those things out of coffee ever. So I don't know." [05:12]).

• They liken the performative aspect of coffee tasting to similar trends in wine, chocolate, and scotch—raising the question of how much is genuine discernment versus social signaling.

  "What percentage of it is a show sham scam, and what percentage of it is completely real?" – Joe Getty [06:44]

• Zing Singh and Joe Getty reference their former colleague, Tim Rohr, and his comedic rants about the mathematical perfection of candy ratios, satirizing how humans convince themselves of subtle differences as expressions of taste or expertise.

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2. Public Policy: Social Safety Nets vs. Self-Reliance

[07:27–12:37]

• Shifting to political and social commentary, Armstrong & Getty react to a new Gallup poll stating nearly two-thirds of Americans under 30 believe government should be responsible for ensuring individuals’ basic needs.

• The hosts express astonishment at this cultural change and question the feasibility and implications of such a worldview.

  "That is right there. That is the discussion we need to have as a country for the next 10 years." – Zing Singh [09:23]

• They discuss the difficulty of sustaining such programs, referencing the problem of "running out of other people's money" and reflect on their own views as young adults.

• A key divide is posited between conservatives (skeptical of government) and liberals (presume people always do their best):

  "The biggest divide between conservatives and liberals is liberals think everybody's doing their best and will always do their best…and is more or less honest in spite of all evidence." – Joe Getty & Zing Singh [10:54–11:10]

• The hosts examine the naiveté of believing everyone would work hard regardless of personal benefit, lampooning utopian assumptions behind socialism.

  "How could anybody believe that? Trip really, really is." – Joe Getty [12:04]
  "Boy, when you say it out loud, that's looney dudes." – Zing Singh [12:01]

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3. Real-World Grift: Government Waste and Human Nature

[12:53–14:02]

• Citing listener stories and government scandals, Armstrong & Getty discuss how even trusted institutions like the Marine Corps or the Postal Service are susceptible to corruption and malingering.

• Listener anecdote: Marine ties baloney to ankle to get bitten by a dog and claim disability; the example is used to illustrate the perennial problem of grift even in respected organizations.

  "If the Marine Corps isn’t immune from this, come on, folks." – Zing Singh [12:53]

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4. Socialism’s Enduring Allure and Chronic Problems

[16:21–17:01]

• The hosts critique why socialist ideals continue to regain popularity despite repeated historical failures, comparing it to a chronic condition:

  "It's, you know, socialism is less like an idea that should be defeated. It's more like a chronic health problem, a syndrome…You can't kill it. It will come back like weeds." – Zing Singh [16:21]

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5. U.S. Foreign Policy and the Ukraine Peace Proposal

[28:10–36:32]

• Armstrong & Getty break down reported U.S. pressure for Ukraine to accept a peace deal they argue is essentially a Russian wish list—barring NATO membership, ceding contested land, and restoring economic links for Russia.

  "The White House is pushing Ukraine to sign the deal by Thanksgiving or you lose U.S. support, which they really kind of need to have." – Joe Getty [28:10]

• There’s sharp criticism of the proposal as "capitulating to Putin," the hollow victory for Moscow, and the lack of input from Ukraine or Europe.

  "What that Russian spokesman said was no agreement is acceptable unless it eliminates the root causes. The root causes. We want Ukraine to be a defenseless vassal state of the Kremlin." – Zing Singh [30:10]

• They explore how war-time corruption in Ukraine is being leveraged to pressure Zelensky into accepting the terms.

  "It's amazing that you've got so many people in the government that are willing to steal money while you're at war with Russia." – Joe Getty [31:42]

• Europe’s military and political incapacity is repeatedly lamented:

  "They all take like a month off in the summer, don’t they? … Sounds lovely if it doesn’t lead to societal collapse." – Zing Singh [37:04]

  "Every college kid in America…told me this 40 years ago…'why can't we be more like Europe?'…well, that system doesn't flipping work, you moron." – Joe Getty [37:39/38:41]

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6. Domestic Corruption: The Minnesota Medicaid Scandal and Terrorist Funding

[42:45–45:11]

• Joe Getty reports that Somali immigrants in Minnesota have exploited Medicaid autism care programs, with taxpayer money fraudulently sent to Somalia and terrorist groups such as Al Shabaab.

  "The single biggest financier of Al Shabaab…is the Minnesota taxpayer." – Zing Singh [45:10]

• They highlight systemic failures and the breadth of state money wasted compared to initial cost projections.

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7. Language & Culture

[46:10–47:47]

• Discussion of Cambridge Dictionary's "word of the year": parasocial (inspired by Taylor Swift fandom), which refers to one-sided relationships fans feel with celebrities or personalities.

• The hosts note these are not inherently unhealthy, but warn they're a problem if they replace real relationships.

  "If you have too many parasocial relationships and not enough real relationships, you are way too online... That's a problem." – Zing Singh [46:33]

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8. Generational Differences: The "Boomer Stuff Avalanche"

[47:48–49:00]

• Trend: Younger generations do not want to inherit their elders’ antiques, collections, or sentimental knickknacks, leading to emotional and logistical friction.

  "The boomer stuff avalanche is already crushing families…The younger generations are not nearly as stuff-oriented and don’t want it." – Zing Singh [47:48]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Coffee Culture:
  "You get nuttiness, caramel and fruit out of coffee." – Zing Singh [05:26]
  "I've never gotten any of those things out of coffee ever." – Joe Getty [05:14]

• On Socialism:
  "It's more like a chronic health problem, a syndrome…You can't kill it. It will come back like weeds." – Zing Singh [16:21]

• On Government Waste:
  "If the Marine Corps isn’t immune from this, come on, folks." – Zing Singh [12:53]

• On Welfare and Work Ethic:
  "I'm not actually lazy…But if you told me…I’m gonna work all day long, and then we're just gonna spread the money out equally…Probably not gonna leave my house." – Joe Getty [15:30]

• On American vs. European Work Culture:
  "Why can't we be more like Europe? …well, that system doesn't flipping work, you moron." – Joe Getty [37:39/38:41]

• On Foreign Aid and Ukraine:
  "Zelensky says right now Ukraine faces losing its dignity or U. S. Support over this peace plan. Dignity is the least of it. Well, it's your country. Yeah, that's a tough one." – Joe Getty & Zing Singh [34:50–35:00]

• On Generational Handoffs:
  "The boomer stuff avalanche is already crushing families…They really want to pass that down, but the younger generations…don't want it." – Zing Singh [47:48]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |----------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:57–07:36 | Coffee, wine, and the “show sham scam” of taste expertise | | 07:27–12:37 | Youth and socialism: who should provide for basic needs? | | 12:53–14:02 | Grift: government waste and human nature stories | | 16:21–17:01 | Socialism as a perennial problem | | 28:10–36:32 | Ukraine peace deal: analysis & international politics | | 42:45–45:11 | Minnesota Medicaid scam funds Al Shabaab | | 46:10–47:47 | Word of the year: "parasocial" and the Taylor Swift effect | | 47:48–49:00 | Boomer Stuff Avalanche |

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Final Thoughts

The episode blends humor, skepticism, and real-world policy concerns. Armstrong & Getty dissect the performative aspects of culture (from coffee to politics), question the naiveté of systemic faith in government and the popularity of socialism with younger Americans, expose grift in government programs, and offer sharp critiques of current U.S. policy both domestically and abroad. The conversational style and anecdotal evidence ground the heavier discussions, making the content accessible for both fans and new listeners.

Transcript

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[Zing Singh]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio.

[Jack Armstrong]

Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Zing Singh]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

A short is 8 ounces, you get one shot tall. 12 ounces, you get one shot. Hold up. But a tall is bigger. So when you get a tall, it's going to be less of that espresso flavor than if you get a short. Right. Grande. You get two shots, it's 16 ounces. Then you get into the venti. It's not as bad as the tall. You're still getting two shots, but it's 20 ounces. If you're someone that actually like, likes the taste of espresso and whatever, you're.

[Zing Singh]

Going to want to get a short.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or a grande, right? And then if you're like, oh, I.

[Zing Singh]

Just like, I just like a little bit of the taste or I just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really like the sweet treatness of it, you're going to want to go more in the tall venti range.

[Zing Singh]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

That's a barista describing the different flavors you get depending on the coffee size order that you get at Starbucks. I have never noticed, but I had mentioned the other day I got a new coffee machine. And so I was reading the reviews or I've watched these YouTube videos and everything of it, and the people are always talking about it's just like wine tasting or chocolate tasting. It's just the espresso. Okay? I'm getting nuttiness at the beginning. Okay. Now I'm getting some caramel, all right. And now I'm getting a bit of fruit as I, as I swallow it. Like, I've never gotten any of those things out of coffee ever. So I don't know.

[Zing Singh]

You'd never say as I swallow it, you'd say at the finish.

[Joe Getty]

At the finish. Right, right, right. They use, they, they use which Is.

[Zing Singh]

Like that when you're swallowing, spitting it out to true show how truly sophisticated.

[Joe Getty]

You get nuttiness, caramel and fruit out of coffee.

[Zing Singh]

I never know different coffees have different, you know, flavors.

[Joe Getty]

Sure they do, but he wants to.

[Zing Singh]

Hear me babble on about that, so I don't bother.

[Joe Getty]

This one's way more buttery than that one. I don't know.

[Zing Singh]

You know, I did. I was only half paying attention to that clip, but I know the premise of it. And I'm reminded of our old friend and colleague Tim Rohr, who would occasionally walk into our office and just unleash these screens that were often hilarious and thought provoking. And one of my favorites of his was he just. He would walk in, he wouldn't even say hello, he would just start. And on this particular day, he said, guys, the medium sized. Oh, now I've forgotten the name of it. Junior Mint. The medium sized Junior Mint is precisely the correct ratio of chocolate to mint. The larger patty, because of the geometry of it, has far too little chocolate to the mint. And we think what. You're right. But yeah, so it's possible.

[Joe Getty]

Similar with the coffee.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You don't have enough espresso in the bigger ones, and so they're going to be a little more watered down. But anyway, I don't get those flavors that everybody seems to enjoy and I can't tell if they're making it up or not. So you're in. You're in the wine world with that. Or maybe they do this in the Scotch world also. Yes.

[Zing Singh]

Do you think they all.

[Joe Getty]

What percentage of it is a. Is a show sham scam? And what percentage of it is completely real?

[Zing Singh]

A show, sham scam, a tragic mockery or whatever. Now, remember our old friend, what was Marcus?

[Joe Getty]

He was in the wine business. He suggested that a lot of it.

[Zing Singh]

Was just phony words make people feel good about themselves. It's seriously probably 50. 50. I mean, because I can describe to you the differences between varietals and the differences between, say, this Pinot Noir and that Pinot Noir. But when you get way deep into, you know, huckleberry and swamp grass and all that stuff. Please.

[Joe Getty]

No. All right. We got into a conversation. Oh. First of all, don't know exactly when Mamdani the Commie is going to visit the White House and nobody knows if they're going to do the whole grip and grin sitting in the Oval Office taking questions or not. Neither side has said that that is going to happen.

[Zing Singh]

Might just.

[Joe Getty]

He might just walk in the White House Might be a closed door meeting and then he walks out. I have a feeling that two showmen, I don't know, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe two showmen with different agendas think this is a little dicey. How about we don't turn this into a carnival. On the other hand, I would think two show and want to turn it into a carnival that could serve both of their interests.

[Zing Singh]

Well that's, that's a great point. I was thinking both believe they are the better pugilist. But your point is a good one. Both might think he'll beat me on quote unquote his points but I'll look like a rock star for my people.

[Joe Getty]

Let's get it on Fox will run clips all day long of Trump calling him a communist and every other network and all the socialists. Whatever you watch Pravda, will. Will run clips all day long of him saying we need free food and buses for the proletariat. Whatever his talk is.

[Zing Singh]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, that'll. That could be pretty spicy when that finally happens. Speaking of that sort of thing. Just came across this poll gonna work my way back to a topic we were on right before the end of last hour. New Gallup poll out almost 2/3 of Americans under 30. This is adults under 30, 18 to 29, but simpler to say adults under 30. 2/3 believe government should be responsible for making sure individuals basic needs are met. Two thirds of under 30 government should be responsible for making sure basic needs are met. I assume that means shelter which would include electricity and heat and cooling and I suppose transportation and certainly food.

[Zing Singh]

Yeah, medicine.

[Joe Getty]

Food and medicine.

[Zing Singh]

Wow. That is. That is right there. That is the discussion we need to have as a country for the next 10 years. Like every day for four to six hours a day. No, it's not. No, the government isn't. You don't want the government to be your mommy because the government is abusive and neglectful and cruel, you fools.

[Joe Getty]

And you run out of other people's money. So what percentage of that crowd? Because I think I probably believed ish that sort of thing when I was 21 myself. What, what group of that crowd could be talked out of it pretty quickly. Well, here's why that doesn't work. You run out of other people's money, for instance. I gotta believe a chunk of them. But man, the fact that two thirds believe that. Wow.

[Zing Singh]

Yeah, I don't. Do you think you did believe that? At the time I'd have been astounded by the notion.

[Joe Getty]

I would have not believed that the government should Be providing me shelter and food. No. No way. No.

[Zing Singh]

Right. That's a huge cultural change. Huge. And we let it happen under our watch in our schools.

[Joe Getty]

That's nuts. And so that's the sort of thing mom Donnie will be talking to the president about today. Maybe. So we've been on this topic for a couple of days now. There were some school officials in the Chicago area that were wasting money. That's the long and short of it. You could say self stealing. You could. But you could say that about name your government department anywhere in the country.

[Zing Singh]

Taking luxury trips to so called conferences at four star hotels, blah blah, blah. You hear about it a lot.

[Joe Getty]

And we got this text from somebody blasting us. And I have always said this. I don't know if I ever heard anybody say this. Somebody had to write a book on this because I just think this is true. The biggest divide between conservatives and liberals is liberals think everybody's doing their best and will always do their best. Yeah.

[Zing Singh]

And is more or less honest in spite of all evidence.

[Joe Getty]

And so if somebody is in a bad situation, some unseen force must have put them in a position where they had no choice. They're starving or something. Because everybody's trying their evolution.

[Zing Singh]

We're looting it back. You know, shoplifting is. Is the cry of the poverty stricken.

[Joe Getty]

The only way. Mamdani's creed going all the way back to Marx. The only way that works. The whatever that phrase is for your abilities to those with their. The means, whatever it is.

[Zing Singh]

From each according their ability, to each according to their needs.

[Joe Getty]

The only way that works is if you believe that all human beings get up in the morning and think, you know what? I'm fit, I'm still healthy. I'm gonna go out there and work.

[Zing Singh]

Hard all day long.

[Joe Getty]

And I don't care who gets the money. I'm just gonna work all day long. Cause that's the kind of guy I am.

[Zing Singh]

Boy, when you say it out loud, that's looney dudes.

[Joe Getty]

How could anybody believe that? Trip really, really is.

[Zing Singh]

Oh, I saw.

[Joe Getty]

I don't care who gets my labor, the spruce, my labor, the money or the product that I build today. I just am I healthy, competent person whose mind and body still works. I'm gonna go out there and work hard all day long. And who gets it matters not to me at all.

[Zing Singh]

I'm gonna bust my ass for those less able to make a living. Here we go.

[Joe Getty]

In fact, I'll do it for the next 40, 50 years if I can. Right now, the people that are gonna get the money. Some of them, they can't. They just can't. Their bodies or minds don't work. And so they'll get some of my money.

[Zing Singh]

But that's not. Systemic racism has held them down.

[Joe Getty]

How could you possibly believe that? Astounding to me, but that's what a lot of people believe. Apparently, like a half to two thirds of the country, certainly young people.

[Zing Singh]

Well, right. And we got this great note from Kevin, the Texas Marine, talking about all the grift, greed, and graft he saw in the Corps. And if the Marine Corps isn't immune from this. Come on, folks. Then he talks about the postal service, including our favorite story, a guy who tied a piece of baloney to his ankle. He did it for a long time, till finally he was bitten by a dog, which was his intent all along. It was a tiny purse dog, but he milked the fake injury for years. Boy, my ankle's acting up again. You know, the ankle. I got bit by a dog while I was working. I. I can't work today.

[Joe Getty]

I know.

[Zing Singh]

Yeah, and. And you're gonna go out and bust your ass all day long for 40 or 50 years so he can have a nice house in a car. Oh, good Lord. I swear, sometimes when I hear what progressives say, it's like somebody walks up and says, I'm a dog. I'm a dog. Woof, woof, woof. And I think, I don't even know how to communicate with you. I don't know where to start.

[Joe Getty]

I got home yesterday, and Henry said, I saw a furry today. Where? On the way to school.

[Zing Singh]

I saw a furry in the wild.

[Joe Getty]

An adult or a kid? He was an adult. What animal did he appear to be? Some sort of fox or something, it looked like in the wild. Yeah.

[Zing Singh]

Just out and about going through somebody's.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

I'm not actually lazy. I've been working diligently pretty much since I was about 12. And with the idea that I'm money, whether early on it was to buy a motorcycle in high school and then, you know, throughout your life, all the stuff you want to buy. But if you told me that I had to get up today, I like this job. This is a bad example. But working a real job, if you told me I had to get up today and I'm gonna work all day long, and then we're just gonna spread the money out equally to, you know, people who claim they got bit by a dog or whatever, everybody will get the same amount. I'm probably not gonna leave my house. Of course I'm not. How?

[Zing Singh]

Certainly over time. I mean, the, the first time you witness somebody not pulling their weight and exploiting you and your effort, you might think, wow, that's a bad person. The 145th time you see that, you're saying, screw it, I'm staying home, I'm going fishing.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly.

[Zing Singh]

To every single time. And yet they manage to sell socialism over and over again. It's enough to make you go cuckoo nuts. It's, you know, socialism is less like a, an idea that should be defeated. It's more like a chronic health problem, a syndrome. It's like arthritis or high blood pressure. You just have to deal with it and deal with it and deal with it. You can't kill it. It will come back like weeds. I guess that's just, you know, our duty as people who understand how insidious it is. It's just, you gotta stand guard. You need us up on the wall or something.

[Joe Getty]

Why are we pushing Ukraine to take this deal that looks like it was written by Putin. Among other things. We can talk about coming up later. Stay here.

[Zing Singh]

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[Zing Singh]

You laugh. I laugh.

[Joe Getty]

You don't recognize the voice? That's Eric Squalwell, who we've mocked.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's right.

[Joe Getty]

He ran for president, though, didn't he? He shoots, he swings for the fences.

[Zing Singh]

Swalwell, Swallwell.

[Joe Getty]

Remember he said he's such a midweight guy, though, every time. That and the fact that he was dating a Chinese spy. But he's got a little bit of a beard now, though. He's going with the kind of. Kind of a rugged beard guy.

[Zing Singh]

Well, he had a bit of a Sean Cassidy look going there. Real cute fella. You can see how he landed. Fang fang noodle boy, right? Yeah. But he's gonna get running up the flagpole again in spite of his really never having impressed anybody in every way.

[Joe Getty]

But who are those people that cheered wildly for him? On that was on. So Eric Swalwell goes on Jimmy Kimmel and says, I'm gonna run for governor.

[Zing Singh]

And every.

[Joe Getty]

Whoa. Who are you? Who are you?

[Zing Singh]

You know, Javier Becerra is also running the miserable failure of the Health and Human Services department under Biden. There's a big story out about him and the Biden administration. They set up a hotline for migrant children to call if their sponsors were abusing them. 65,000 calls came into that hotline. No one answered it.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God. That's the worst.

[Zing Singh]

No one answered it. And some of the stories are horrific. We're debating whether it even play them.

[Joe Getty]

That might be the worst thing I've ever heard.

[Zing Singh]

It is absolutely heartbreaking. It's astounding. Oh, and so you know, the angle now is that the Trump ICE has announced a new operation to conduct welfare checks on the 450,000, 450,000 migrant children the Biden administration placed with unvetted sponsors, some of whom turned out to be sex traffickers and gang members. Man, 65,000 kids and their, their friends called the hotline. It was not answered. Javier Becerra, if you'd like to vote for him. Moving along. Coming up, another dictionary out with their word of the year. And for maybe the first time ever, it didn't annoy me. We'll have that plus the largest. You know who Al Shabab is. Fundamentalist Islamist group, operates mostly in Africa, slaughters people, slaughters Christians. They're, you know, Boko Haramish. Al Shabaab, largest funder of Al Shabaab. Guess who it is. Wrong. The Minnesota taxpayer.

[Joe Getty]

What?

[Zing Singh]

Yeah, so stay tuned for that one too. But I wanted to tack this onto our discussion last segment about just the, the appeal of socialism and how ridiculous and unworkable it is. And really, you give me two minutes and I could convince, I think like 75% of young people what a bad idea it is. But they never get that two minutes, I guess. But this article just out millions of native born Americans, prime working age, remain out of the nation's labor market. New analysis details. Steven Camerata and Karen Ziegler at the center for Immigration Studies published the analysis this week showing that the share of American men and women who are working age but not in the workforce is still historically high.

[Joe Getty]

This should be discussed more. Why are so many able bodied people not working and how do you pull it off? The fact that you can pull it.

[Zing Singh]

Off is the problem. Right, right. That just doesn't get enough votes for people to ask the question. So they're comparing. In 1960, 11.3% of working age men were out of the labor market. Today it's more than 21%. It's essentially double.

[Joe Getty]

My youngest the other day didn't want to do his homework when we got into the you know, what are you going to do when you get older conversation. Typical dad sort of speech I gave him. Said I'm just going to live off the government. He knows how to, he knows what buttons to push to get me riled up. I'm just going to live off the government.

[Zing Singh]

And if it's lower education levels, it's almost 28%.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Zing Singh]

Hi, I'm Zing Singh. And I'm Simon Jack and together we.

[Jack Armstrong]

Host Good Bad Billionaire.

[Zing Singh]

The podcast exploring how some of the world's richest people made their fortunes. And we are back with a brand.

[Jack Armstrong]

New season of billionaires.

[Zing Singh]

Yes, movie megastar Arnold Schwarzenegger, America's richest.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Zing Singh]

Founder of Snapchat Evan Spiegel to name just a few. And we're asking you to decide if they're good, bad or just another billionaire Good Bad billionaire from the BBC World Survey.

[Jack Armstrong]

Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Zing Singh]

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[Joe Getty]

The plan is biased towards Moscow forcing Ukraine to give up territory the Russians haven't taken, cutting Ukraine's army in half, relinquishing long range weapons, banning foreign troops on Ukrainian soil, the Kremlin sounding determined about a country it wants to influence the settlement must lead to the elimination of the root causes of this conflict. Other reports include complaints there wasn't enough input from Ukraine or its European allies. Yeah, sure sounds like there wasn't a lot of input from Ukraine. Wait till I get to the details of the so called peace proposal that we are now the White House is pushing Ukraine to sign the deal by Thanksgiving or you lose US Support, which they really kind of need to have. So go through some of this with the background, I guess, being that Trump just wants it to stop and he doesn't really care about the details. He just wants it to stop and.

[Zing Singh]

Doesn'T care about the long term.

[Joe Getty]

Europe's against it. Zelensky's against it.

[Zing Singh]

Well, the, the virtually the entirety of Ukraine is against it.

[Joe Getty]

Well, here's why. For example, the proposal would not only bar Ukraine from joining NATO, but would also prevent NATO from future expansion. That's an agreement that has to be made. What? Such a step would be a significant victory for Moscow, which views NATO as a threat. Putin would also gain ground that he's been unable to win on the battlefield under this new proposal that Ukraine has to accept by Thanksgiving or they lose US Support. Moscow would hold all of the eastern Donbass region Even though approximately 14% still remains in the hands of the Ukrainians. So not only does Ukraine not get back land that was illegally taken, they have to give land that Russia hasn't even been able to get over four years of fighting. Ukraine, as you heard there, needs to cut their army in half and are not allowed to have any foreign troops there as triggers for maintaining the peace.

[Zing Singh]

I hate to jump to the end, but what that Russian spokesman said was no agreement is acceptable unless it eliminates the root causes. The root causes. We want Ukraine to be a defenseless vassal state of the Kremlin.

[Joe Getty]

Listen.

[Zing Singh]

And that's what this would ensure.

[Joe Getty]

Listen to this part. The proposal opens the door to lift sanctions on Russia and return it to the Group of Eight, which includes many of the world's biggest economies. Russia was kicked out of the group eight under Obama back in 2014 when it took Crimea. But they get to go back to the Group of Eight after invading all of Ukraine. A strategic reward. Yeah. So that's quite the deal. So Mark Halpern's writing on this today I thought was interesting in his newsletter. This is on the idea that zelensky's got a $100 million. What's the word? The word flitted out of my head is an old man corruption problem going on right now with several top officials that have in the government that have resigned or have been caught up in this and everything like that. It's a very corrupt country. That's the reason he got elected president. They elected an outsider YouTube star because the government has been so corrupt. Anybody's been government all these years, they want it out. Then you end up with the YouTube star as the president. A war starts and, you know, you got the background of it's been corrupt forever. It's amazing that you got so many people in the government that are willing to steal money while you're at war with Russia.

[Zing Singh]

But it's right. You're fighting corruption while you're in the situation war that causes more corruption than anything else in, you know, nation's histories.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. From the Associated Press. For more than a week, Zelensky has been struggling to contain the fallout from a $100 million corruption scandal implicating top officials and other associates. The pressure on Zelinsky is ratcheted up as the United States pushes this proposal with Russia that we just outlined. So the Mark Halpert on his Twitter feed, his, his avatar, his picture is a turtle on a fence post. This is a saying that he uses a lot. It goes back to Bill Clinton. It's a Bill Clinton saying. Bill Clinton would famously say, if you see a turtle on a fence post, somebody put it there. It's the idea that, you know, if something kind of hard to explain is going on, somebody, somebody, there's a reason somebody's doing this. And I guess what he's suggesting is Trump sees this corruption scandal, Zelensky really up against it in a bad situation and thinks, now's the time, I'm just going to end this thing. Whatever I need to come up with something Putin will agree to because he's got all the cards in my mind and Trump's mind and Zelensky got. What is he going to do now with the corruption scandal going on? Say no. So he just thinks now's the time. Zelensky's in such a weak position politically at home on the world stage, probably personally, that they're going to have to agree to this.

[Zing Singh]

Yeah, yeah. If I thought Trump had a closely held, well developed belief about war and peace, that'd be one thing. I just think he wants to be able to claim he ended the conflict. Like he's going around saying he's already ended eight wars, which is absolutely not true. You know, he's helped with the negotiation that has definitely caused less killing in a handful of places, but as usual, he's wildly exaggerated. I just think he wants the ego gratification of saying he solved this one, too. The Middle east thing is capitulate to Putin. Good lord.

[Joe Getty]

The Middle east thing, wiping out Hezbollah and Iran and all this and getting Saudi Arabia on board and everything like it is amazing. As has been, as I said, the UN and the Washington Post, New York Times and everybody. But yeah, eight conflicts is stretching it. And then if this one ends on the terms we just laid out, what is it, a year, two years before Putin just marches to Kiev and nobody. There won't be any foreign troops there and Ukraine won't have enough of a military to stop them, and Russia will have the money to prosecute the war in a way they couldn't before because they're welcomed back into the group of eight and they got their finances back in order.

[Zing Singh]

Yeah, it's a certainty.

[Joe Getty]

And then they've taken Ukraine.

[Zing Singh]

And what does Trump say to Putin? Just wait till I'm out of office.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. Zelensky has said, I got a quote from him here this morning because this is all new information, man, That's a heck of a deal, isn't it? The way it was laid out. Zelensky says right now Ukraine faces losing its dignity or U. S. Support over this peace plan. Dignity is the least of it.

[Zing Singh]

Well, it's your country. Yeah, yeah, that's a tough one.

[Joe Getty]

And this is going to happen fast unless somebody backs off from what they're saying, it's by six days from now, by Thanksgiving, you accept it or you lose all U. S. Support. Although how much U. S. Support do you need if you agree to it?

[Zing Singh]

Hey, fat, feckless, lazy, dependent Europe, now might be a time to step up.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but can they? Can they?

[Zing Singh]

That's the problem with nations. They're like people you've been, you've gotten, you're 50 pounds overweight, you have an exercise you haven't gotten your heart rate up in a year and a half, two years, you drinking too much, then all of a sudden you've got to sprint a mile. You can't, you can get to the point where you can no longer be what you need to be, no matter even if your will changes.

[Joe Getty]

So that leader of Poland who said why do we, the 500 million, need to rely on the 300 million to protect us against the 150 million? Which is one of my favorite quotes since this war started. And I forget who said this, but this is definitely one of my favorite things. I heard of the countries in Europe. The problem is there are those that would but can't. There are those that could but won't and that there's. And so there's, there's, there's just nobody. There's the, those that can don't really want to. The military powers, they don't want to get involved. There are countries that would be willing to but can't, and there are some that can't and won't. We could, even if we had the military, we wouldn't help you. So what are you going to do?

[Zing Singh]

This segment brought to you like the previous three or four by Socialism. Socialism. Would you like to render your society unproductive and incapable of even defending itself? Try socialism.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And that's why the 500 million need to be protected by the 300 million because you've spend all your money on letting people have eight weeks of vacation every year and retiring at 50.

[Zing Singh]

They all take like a month off in the summer, don't they? And yeah, retire. Yes, it's just. Sounds lovely if it doesn't lead to, you know, societal collapse. And then you've got to import a bunch of people who despise your countries and your principles to work the jobs.

[Joe Getty]

I don't.

[Zing Singh]

I give up every. It's like my friend keeps setting himself on fire and I keep saying to him, jim, you're gonna get serious burns. It'll be painful, that'll lead to infections, you could die. Then the next day I show, show up, he's got a can of gasoline and a match. I'm just. All right, go ahead.

[Joe Getty]

Every college kid in America. Every college kid in America for, geez, I don't know how long because they told me this 40 years ago, so maybe it goes back longer than that. And I believed it because I. Nobody, you know, nobody smarter was telling me any Different. Why can't we be more like Europe? They don't have to work so hard. We have this ridiculous culture where we only get two weeks vacation a year. They get to take off like two months a year. And they don't have to work till they're 65. They work till they're 48 and retire. And I thought, yeah, that sounds awesome. Why don't we get to do that? Because what's the matter with us? There are no college professors saying hey, it only lasts a little while because you run out of money and you can't have a military.

[Zing Singh]

Right? You need a superpowers military umbrella for one thing. So do you have one of those?

[Joe Getty]

God dang it.

[Zing Singh]

I know, I know.

[Joe Getty]

I wish I could get my money back for whichever class that was with. The professor kept preaching that all the time. And we with our ridiculous. Comes from the Puritans and the Mayflower and religious zealots that we work so hard.

[Zing Singh]

Industrial revolution, the exploitation of the worker.

[Joe Getty]

We work so hard and get so few vacations and. Or that system doesn't flipping work. You moron. If you're here right now, I'd put you in a headlock.

[Zing Singh]

I want to get to that Al Shabaab story in a minute or three. Plus a little gender bending madness. But shockingly. Oh, also this is a good headline. The Boomer stuff avalanche is crushing families.

[Joe Getty]

The Boomers Stuff avalanche. I can't guess what that is. Are you going to tell us that now?

[Zing Singh]

Stuff avalanche. I want to hear that stuff A God.

[Joe Getty]

It's a Stuffalanche.

[Zing Singh]

And this will shock you. The word of the year, according to one of the prominent dictionaries is Taylor Swift related. And it does not annoy me.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, cool. Well, all those things are coming up.

[Zing Singh]

It's almost impossible. I woke up annoyed.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly right. That's it with us. Stay here.

[Zing Singh]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Zing Singh]

Hi, I'm Zing Singh. And I'm Simon Jack and together we host Good Bad Billionaire, the podcast exploring how some of the world's richest people made their fortunes. And we are back with a brand.

[Jack Armstrong]

New season of billionaires.

[Zing Singh]

Yes, movie megastar Arnold Schwarzenegger, America's richest.

[Jack Armstrong]

Self made businesswoman Diane Hendricks and co.

[Zing Singh]

Founder of Snapchat Evan Spiegel, to name just a few. And we're asking you to decide if they're good, bad or just another billionaire. Good Bad billionaire from the BBC World Service.

[Jack Armstrong]

Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Zing Singh]

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[Joe Getty]

You'Ve seen the video, heard the audio of what provoked Trump to threaten death on a bunch of senators yesterday, but we can get to that in hour three.

[Zing Singh]

So one of the delights of being at this point in our careers is we can say what we want with Very little concern about any repercussions. For instance, the Minnesota area, the Minneapolis St. Paul area, has seen a huge influx of Somali immigrants, many of whom are devout Muslims and despise our way of life and our constitution and our religions and everything else. Not all of them. Certainly some of them, I'm sure, are lovely, hard working people. But Ilhan Omar, for instance, represents a lot of people who have no interest whatsoever in being American citizens other than, you know, to the extent that they can get benefits or maybe work, whatever. But they don't love this country. Not even close. Somalis in Minnesota swindled millions of dollars in state Medicaid autism care programs and sent the cash back to their homeland and its terror groups in courting, according to investigators, uh, nearly. Now, Breitbart, back in July reported that nearly 100 autism clinics in Minnesota were being investigated for fraudulently billing Medicaid for treatment of supposedly diagnosed with autism, most of it in connection with the rampantly corrupt Somali community around Minneapolis. We've talked about the rampant corruption in. In Ukraine. Like all former Soviet republics, man, there are parts. Most of Africa is so corrupt, you couldn't even picture how corrupt it is. But the fraud is far more widespread with far more money involved than was previously reported. All of which was presided over, by the way, by former Democratic Party VP nominee Governor Tim, the new face of masculinity. Waltz. The money paid out is monumental. The state's failed Medicaid Housing Stabilization Service program, for instance, was kicked off in 2021 with expected. With expenses expected to ring in at $2.6 million. Okay, 2.6. Instead, the program paid out 21 million in its first year. In each subsequent year, the program ballooned to 42 million, then 74 million, then $104 million, respectively. During the first half of this year, costs have already reached $61 million. And a lot of this money is being sent back to Somalia and fundamentalist groups. You know, we don't have time to go through this entire report, but again, the headline is the single biggest financier of Al Shabaab. That fundamentalist Muslim group is the Minnesota taxpayer.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, that's troubling.

[Zing Singh]

Yeah, it is. It really, really, really is. It's insane. Okay, we'll get to the boomer stuff. Avalanche. The stuff A lanche, if you will. After this. I want to pay this off from Cambridge University in the Cambridge Dictionary. I visited Cambridge this summer and bought a T shirt, hoping people would think I actually attended Cambridge because it sounds cool. Hasn't happened yet. Their word of the year was inspired somewhat by k. By Taylor Swift's lyrics, her engagement to Travis Kelce and the reaction to it. Psychologists wrote about this describing it as parasocial bonds with the stars, their fans, their acolytes have a parasocial bond. It's a new way to describe. You think you and the celebrity are friends or you care about them as.

[Joe Getty]

If your friends would we have that with our listeners. Like it does not a negative, right?

[Zing Singh]

Well, no, no, no, not at all. No. I, I would probably say I have a parasocial bond with a handful of people, Some of my favorite writers and thinkers.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. That if I, if I met them, I would feel like I kind of know you and I should just be able to engage you in conversation about lots of things.

[Zing Singh]

Yeah, yeah. Walk up to somebody you've never met before and say as I was saying, yeah, yeah, well, right, yeah. No, it's not unhealthy. Well, no, I take that back. I think if you have too many parasocial relationships and not enough real relationships, you are way too online, as they say. You're sitting in your parents basement smoking pot and your only friends are online. That's a problem. Parasocial, the word of the year. And finally this, the boomer stuff avalanche is already crushing families. It's actually a pretty good nuanced analysis of the fact that your silent generation, who really ought to speak up, and their kids, the baby boomers, because they came from times of not having much, from the depression to the war years, the rest of it, they really, really value grandma's silver and the old cuckoo clock that came from granddad or mom or whatever and they really want to pass that down. But the younger generations are not nearly as stuff oriented and don't want it. Yeah, and it can cause tensions.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I get that.

[Zing Singh]

I mean, you've got, you know, grandpa's cuckoo clock and it means everything to you because you sat at his knee and you can hardly look at the thing without a tear in your eye. And your kids are like, no, I don't want a cuckoo clock.

[Joe Getty]

That's funny, I was talking to a woman the other day. She, her, they're quite well to do. Her dad has been a very successful business person. He's got lots of stuff and, and getting older and he's talking about, you know, handing it down and she doesn't want it. Clocks was one of them. But like cars, clocks, stuff like that, I don't need that stuff. I don't need a place to put it.

[Zing Singh]

Interesting stuff. Here from a professional downsizer who talks about the psychology of letting go. And she asked clients to look at why they're so insistent on keeping something or making sure someone in the family takes it. Does your mother, Silver, really speak to you? Do you worry if getting rid of it, your mother's memory won't be kept alive?

[Joe Getty]

Wow, that's heavy.

[Zing Singh]

That's a component though. It is. It really is.

[Joe Getty]

Of course.

[Zing Singh]

Do you hold it onto it out of guilt or is it really just the easiest option of what to do with it?

[Joe Getty]

Well, they need to get that new ballroom finished because they're going to hang some senators in there. That might be its first thing that they do.

[Zing Singh]

That was quite a transition.

[Joe Getty]

We'll talk about that Hour three. If you haven't heard that whole story. Oh, my gosh. Things keep getting exciting.

[Zing Singh]

Madness.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Zing Singh]

Shh.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Zing Singh]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And together we host Good Bad Billionaire.

[Zing Singh]

The podcast exploring how some of the world's richest people made their fortunes. And we are back with a brand.

[Jack Armstrong]

New season of billionaires.

[Zing Singh]

Yes, movie megastar Arnold Schwarzenegger, America's richest.

[Jack Armstrong]

As self made businesswoman Diane Hendricks and.

[Zing Singh]

Co founder of Snapchat Evan Spiegel to name just a few, and we're asking.

[Jack Armstrong]

You to decide if they're good, bad.

[Zing Singh]

Or just another billionaire. Good bad billionaire from the BBC World Service.

[Jack Armstrong]

Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Zing Singh]

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