A Slow-Motion Death Row

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: A Slow-Motion Death Row

Date: June 18, 2026

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Overview

This episode centers around three main topics:

1. The Gavin Newsom Family Investigation and Political Fallout: The hosts dissect breaking news and ongoing scandals around California governor Gavin Newsom, his wife Jennifer Siebel Newsom, behested payments, and what that means for his possible presidential run.
2. The Crisis of Drugs, Homelessness & Urban Decline: Armstrong and Getty turn their focus to the visible collapse of West Coast cities, particularly Seattle, in what they call a “slow-motion death row” for drug-addicted homeless populations and the broader impact on society.
3. Key Supreme Court Decisions & News Roundup: The hosts briefly recap fresh Supreme Court rulings and touch on current events, from foreign policy to urban decay.

The episode has a tone that blends cynicism about political power with empathy and alarm about the state of American cities and institutions, punctuated by moments of humor and exasperation.

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Main Segments

1. Gavin Newsom, Jennifer Siebel Newsom & The Scandal (03:09–14:31)

Newsom Investigation & Political Calculus (03:09–04:27)

• Mark Halperin opens describing a real federal investigation into Gavin Newsom’s family finances, suggesting indictment of his wife Jennifer could upend his ambitions.

  • Quote:
    “This is a real investigation. There may be political elements to it, but there's a there there... Whether Mrs. Newsom is indicted or not, this will be another caution to the family... if they get into this race.” — Mark Halperin [03:25]

• Armstrong and Getty discuss how a Newsom family indictment would be “an earthquake,” with revelations of over $340M in behested payments Newsom solicited from donors.

What Are Behested Payments? (04:27–06:04)

• Jack: Explains "behested payments" as legal donations requested by politicians for charities tied to them. They highlight the blurry line with quid pro quo.

  • Quote:
    “It's essentially... whenever state elected officials request others to make donations on their behalf.” — Jack Armstrong [04:38]

• The hosts’ cynicism about whether such activities will ever result in legal consequences, given the systemic nature of political fundraising tied to power.

  • “Nobody ever gets nailed for this stuff. I'm very cynical…” — Joe Getty [06:11]

Jennifer Siebel Newsom’s Nonprofits & Money Moves (07:11–13:32)

• Jennifer Siebel Newsom’s public advocacy and nonprofit empire are dissected, especially payments exchanging hands among her own organizations and donors with business before the state. The hosts joke about the contrast between her public persona and the defensive Newsom camp:

  • Quote:
    “Now that the investigation is announced, Gavi acts as if she's his little stay-at-home wife... She's doing the dishes and all. And how dare you go after my little woman, which is absolutely hilarious.” — Jack Armstrong [07:38]

• Examples: Tribe donations to Siebel’s nonprofits just before favorable policy moves; money funneling among Siebel’s orgs (e.g., $161K to her own firm in 2024); major salary payouts.

• Comparison to Jerry Brown’s behested payments (~$35M in 8 years) versus Newsom’s $340M, with $226M in 2020 alone.

  • Quote:
    “Gavin has 10 times nearly the amount of behested payments... the busiest stretch that came during the heart of the pandemic.” — Joe Getty [11:57]

• Indictment could, per Halperin, derail Newsom’s national ambitions. The hosts speculate on whether the lure of power outweighs the risks, poking fun at the family’s dynastic ties:

  • Quote:
    “He can sniff the Oval Office, which is an aphrodisiac unlike any known to man according to anybody who's come close to winning that office.” — Jack Armstrong [13:56]

Humor & Satire

• Throughout, the hosts lampoon Newsom's dramatic rhetorical style (“Don't go after my wife!”) and riff on the spectacle of California political culture.
  • Quote:
    “California, the final frontier. Voyages of the corrupt ship Gavin Prize…” — Jack Armstrong [14:51]

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2. Supreme Court Decisions & Art Markets (22:10–24:08)

Key Rulings (22:10–23:56)

• US v. Himani: Can’t revoke 2A rights for marijuana use alone; connects to Hunter Biden’s gun charges.
  • Quote:
    “No, you can't take away a dude's Second Amendment rights because you find out he smokes pot a few times a week.” — Jack Armstrong [22:10]
• Plea agreements: Can’t bar appeals if it would be a miscarriage of justice.
• Court jurisdiction case: Left intentionally vague (“it’s so confusing, it’s given me a headache”).

Quick Art Market Interlude (19:28–22:10)

• Jokey discussion about a thrift store painting selling for $250,000, the randomness and subjectivity of art pricing, and why Joe’s uncomfortable buying art as an “investment.”
  • Quote:
    “It’s not like a gallon of gasoline. I can tell you what I'm gonna get out of that and what it's worth.” — Jack Armstrong [21:49]

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3. Seattle & West Coast Urban Crisis: “A Slow-Motion Death Row” (28:52–41:57)

Seattle’s Business Exodus & Two Cities Tale (30:06–31:35)

• Contrasting Seattle (with payroll/social housing taxes) losing 30,000 jobs, $10B in property value, and surging office vacancy, to Bellevue’s stable growth.

  • Quote:
    “Since being implemented, downtown Seattle's lost around 30,000 jobs... office vacancy rate increased to 32%... $10 billion in office value have been lost.” — Jack Armstrong [30:27]

• Hosts ridicule the mayor’s “cleaning up” for World Cup by moving addicts, but not solving underlying issues.

Unsparing Look at Street Realities (33:22–37:32)

• Harrowing on-the-ground reporting: open-air drug markets, fentanyl use, minority businesses driven to board up, possible human trafficking, overdose deaths.
  • Quote:
    “Drug deals going down in plain view… Shopkeepers ... left to fend for themselves. Many had had to board up their storefront windows.” — Jack Armstrong [34:37]
  • Finding:
    “Outside the park, we came across a mostly naked, emaciated body on the ground. Couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman. We immediately called 911 and they came and retrieved the dead body.” — Jack Armstrong [37:18]

Why So Few Are “Rescuable” & The Meth/Fentanyl Pipeline (38:14–41:57)

• Discussion of how meth and fentanyl devastate brains, creating psychosis and an “unsalvageable” population. Refers to Sam Quinones’ reporting:
  • Quote (read from Quinones):
    “People on the streets will never be ready for treatment in the time it takes for meth to drive them mad and for fentanyl to kill them.” — Jack Armstrong [45:57 referencing previous read]
  • Armstrong likens the status quo to “slow motion death row” — the government’s claimed compassion is condemned as cruelty and enabling.
  • Quote:
    “Letting these people fry their brains on the meth, then killing them with the fentanyl. It's the absolute opposite of compassion. ... A slow motion death row.” — Jack Armstrong [40:42]
• Joe Getty frames the dilemma for law-abiding citizens whose neighborhoods and safety are eroded:
  • Quote:
    “It's not... All those things are included. If we're a fenced off area where they want to die on their own, knock yourself out, do what you want. It's your life. But that's not the way it works. You're stealing from the rest of us. Ruining parts of the city where people can't, you know, run their businesses.” — Joe Getty [41:09]
• The hosts agree: fight the drug trade and enforce the law, but despair at rehabilitating thousands already lost to brain-ravaging substances.

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4. Quick-Hit Commentary & Humor (45:28–48:36)

• Armstrong returns to the drug crisis, quoting Quinones about how street outreach rarely works since meth/fentanyl have changed the game.
  • Quote (reading Quinnones):
    “Outreach workers on the street offer beds, services and treatment... yet who routinely refuse those services. Workers conclude these folks are not ready for treatment. But this is a reaction from another era... People on the streets will never be ready for treatment in the time it takes for meth to drive them mad and for fentanyl to kill them.” — Jack Armstrong [45:57]
• Lightens up with comic relief: SNL’s Debbie Downer (Rachel Dratch) jokes at a college commencement about AI and modern economic anxiety.
  • Quote:
    “There won't be any jobs left. So congrats to all on your mandatory gap years. ... Due to the construction of data centers and the impending water wars, the most useful college majors now are foraging and hand to hand combat.” — Rachel Dratch (SNL), paraphrased [47:12]
• Quick plug for upcoming content (“best explanation yet” on JD Vance & Iran deal coming up in hour four).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Newsom’s defense of his wife:
  “Don't go after my wife, a public servant, mother of my children.” — Joe Getty [14:45]
• On bi-coastal political dynasties:
  “Buy and sell restaurants and wineries in Napa Valley and you know, inherit tons and tons of family money from the Pelosi's and the Gettys and the rest of it.” — Jack Armstrong [13:47]
• On urban crisis solutions:
  “Outlaw hard drugs, bust the dealers, enforce the law. What we do with the thousands... who have become seriously, irrevocably mentally ill... I have no idea.” — Jack Armstrong [41:33]
• On the U.S. political moment:
  “He can sniff the Oval Office, which is an aphrodisiac unlike any known to man...” — Jack Armstrong [13:56]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:09 – Newsom investigation fallout begins
• 04:27 – Definition/explanation of behested payments
• 06:18 – Indian casino donation as case study
• 11:57 – ‘Behested’ payment numbers vs Jerry Brown
• 13:32 – Could scandal sideline Newsom’s presidential ambitions?
• 22:10 – Supreme Court: Pot & gun rights
• 28:52 – JD Vance & foreign policy reference
• 30:06 – Seattle’s economic crisis vs Bellevue
• 33:22 – On-the-ground account of Seattle’s drug/homelessness crisis
• 38:14 – Fentanyl/meth impact and the "slow motion death row" metaphor
• 41:33 – What’s to be done about the unsalvageable population
• 47:12 – SNL’s Rachel Dratch jokes about AI and jobs

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Takeaways

• The episode offers a blend of political skepticism, data-driven breakdowns, and first-hand accounts.
• The crisis of homelessness, drugs, and urban decline is portrayed as both a humanitarian and public order disaster, with governmental attempts labeled as enabling.
• The Newsom investigation is cast as emblematic of structural corruption—hosts are deeply skeptical it will change anything, but acknowledge the seismic impact if charges are brought.
• Supreme Court decisions and art market randomness provide moments of digression and humor, but most of the episode is grounded in critique and a ‘realist’ view of U.S. current events.
• The tone is humorous and biting, occasionally sardonic, but often raw in its depiction of tragedy.

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Transcript

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[Mark Halperin]

Ladies and gentlemen. You know, I've said repeatedly, I don't think Gavin Newsom in the end will be a presidential candidate. And that was before this investigation of by federal officials into his family finances. I can tell you from Californians who are Democrats who do not want J.D. vance or Marco Ribeira to be president. This is a real investigation. There may be political elements to, to it, but there's a there there in this investigation. And I think whether Mrs. Newsom is, is indicted or not, that this will be another caution to the family about what it would mean to their lives and their young kids if they get into this race. That is my prelude to telling you, you need to think seriously. If the people who doubt Kamala Harris is going to be the nominee, and if I'm right, the Gavin Newsom ends up not running. You need to think about the vacuum.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, who's, who's it going to be then if it's not Kamala or Gavin? Anyway? That's Mark Halpern from his newscast yesterday afternoon, throwing around the idea of Jennifer Siebel Newsom, Gavin Gavin's wife, being indicted. Can you imagine what an earthquake that would be? That could happen any day. New York Post, or, sorry, California Post, version of the story. Gavin Newsom solicited $340 million in behested payments from special interest filings reveal. What's a behested payment?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's essentially, it's not legal. It's a. I had the law in front of me several months ago.

[Joe Getty]

You asked for it.

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

You ask for a donation, a behested payment discloses. The database discloses whenever state elected officials request others to make donations on their behalf.

[Joe Getty]

There's no, I, I, no way they get busted on this. That's my initial feeling. State records show Newsom has solicited more than $340 million. That's a lot of money. In donations from wealthy donors and special interests, some of which have received preferential treatment and millions of dollars in state contracts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Shocking.

[Joe Getty]

While also taking pains to prop up the political activity, political activities of his wife, Jennifer. And the numbers when he was lieutenant governor were crazy. And they compare this to other, other governors. The reason I'm cynical about anything happening about this is how many politicians do I need to hear about getting money and doing favors for people who never get in trouble for it? It's just really, really hard to bust people on this stuff. You gave me a bunch of money. I gave you a contract. Then somebody else has to prove that I only gave you the contract because you gave me the money and not because.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no.

[Joe Getty]

You happen to actually be the best person at making railroad tracks for high speed rail.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I gave you the country.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, just nobody happened to give

[Jack Armstrong]

a million dollars to my wife's non profit, which has enriched her.

[Gabby (Gabriel) Nunez]

He's coming after my wife.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jen, you believe, you believe in the work? Yeah, sure. She is right? She is.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody ever gets nailed for this stuff. I'm very cynical about the, the, the whole people getting rich in government thing. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

There was a big war over an Indian casino and Gabby was fighting hard against it. And it turns out one of the other tribes that didn't want the competition had contributed half a million dollars to his wife's charity just before he rose up in opposition to the thing they didn't want. And then he asked to contribute another $500,000 to his wife's charity. Tribe cut those checks specifically at Newsom's request, et cetera, et cetera, but no explicit quid pro quo. All right.

[Joe Getty]

And one of the reasons I'm so cynical, as I've been saying for 30 years on this show, is what do you think? These companies just like Gavin Newsom so much. They're going to give him a million dollars or $5 million or however much money they give him. I don't expect any. I just like you and I'm willing to take profits from our business and give them to you just because I like you.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right. And your wife, man, she's doing some good work. So John Fleischman wrote a great piece about this. He, he, he tracked down a lot of the receipts which the California Globe has been talking about for many, many months to their credit. But first of all, he points out that Jennifer Siebel Newsom is the founder of multiple nonprofits. She's a public advocate who uses her position to influence public policy. She's constantly g. Gavin and she are constantly saying that she needs to be listened to, blah, blah, blah. She's a public figure and a political actor. But now that the investigation is. Is announced, Gavi acts as if she's his little stay at home wife who's just raising the kids and, and her face is sweaty from cooking. She's doing the dishes and all. And how dare you go after my little woman, which is absolutely hilarious. But here's how it works.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, and they don't you dare. Yeah.

[Gabby (Gabriel) Nunez]

Go ahead. I've learned that his campaign has reached my own home to get me. He's coming after my wife, Jen, a public servant, a woman who's dedicated her life to supporting women and girls. Someone who has done nothing wrong other than having the temerity to advocate for what she believes in. If they can't intimidate me, they'll go after the mother of our children. Wow. Donald Trump picked the wrong target. We have nothing to hide. I have a message for you. You can subpoena my records, you can investigate me, you can harass me, put my name on every and any enemies list you have, but leave my wife and family out of your personal vendetta.

[Joe Getty]

All right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody's going after your kids, Gabby. It's just your wife because she's a political actor and has profited enormously from her proximity to you. She's also respons for thousands, thousands of confused young adolescent girls getting testosterone treatments that have changed their bodies forever. More on that in the Gender Bending Madness update coming later.

[Joe Getty]

Are we going to overlook Gavin's really weird speaking style?

[Jack Armstrong]

I was going to, I'm going to just go with the facts.

[Joe Getty]

But what is that?

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[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, I, I, I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

He sounds like can't go after me, but don't go my wife.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bill Shatner in the original Trek, you nailed it the other day. The original Star Trek, you're right.

[Joe Getty]

This has become a thing. And is it mostly on the left? I think because it seems to be more often politicians on the left who, their wives or husbands are really, really active also. And then when you go after them, it's, oh, how you, you're going after my spouse? Look, I'm fair game, but my spouse, your spouse just gave a speech somewhere and raised a bunch of money.

[Jack Armstrong]

So, yeah, so this piece I was referencing makes reference to the fact that Newsom's former chief of staff pleaded guilty to multiple felonies recently about passing confidential state information to clients and influence peddling, that sort of thing. But here's, here's how it works. And I wish I could figure out how to do this for myself, but nobody's contributing money to me that I don't earn. To my eternal regret, reporting is highlighted payments. Her one of her nonprofits is the Representation Project that is the gender bending pervert movement to convince confused young kids and gay kids that they need surgeries and powerful chemicals to correct their bodies to their true selves instead of just letting them be. But anyway, reporting has highlighted Payments from the Representation Project to Girls Club Entertainment, which is a film production company that Siebel Newsome also owns. So her one nonprofit paid her other nonprofit over $161,000 in 2024 alone.

[Joe Getty]

They look at us, she was like, idiots, don't they? They, they can't believe the rest of us, like, go out and just work regular jobs and get regular paychecks, checks, and don't understand how the world really works.

[Jack Armstrong]

She was also paid $150,000 salary from the Representation Project, a nonprofit she controls. Paid six figures to a company she controls while also paying her six figures in salaries. Governor Newsom has also reported soliciting millions of dollars in behested payments. Donations made to favored charities at a politician's personal solicitation directed to the California partners project since 2020. That reported includes $1.8 million from a native American tribe holding a state casino agreement. So that's the way the money flows in out of an across of her various nonprofits and then salaries and travel and the rest of it.

[Joe Getty]

So the total for Newsom on these behested payments, you're asking for money, $340 million. His predecessor, Jerry Brown, his total number over eight years was 35 million. So Gavin's 340 million. Jerry Brown's 35 million. So Gavin has 10 times nearly the amount of behested payments. And most amazingly of it all is the bulk of it. 65 of it comes in one year. In 2020, at the height of the pandemic, Gavin Newsom asked various people for $226 million in behested payments in one year, which is amazing. I'll give you a for instance of the busiest stretch that came during the heart of the pandemic. Blue Shield gave $20 million in September of 2020 months later, during the pandemic, Newsom awarded Blue Shield a $15 million no bid contract to help distribute California's vaccines.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go.

[Joe Getty]

That's the way the world works, ladies and gentlemen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep, quid pro quo. And. And the first partner, Jennifer Siebel, nuisance profited mightily from all of it and used again. If she was using that money to like, save children from sex trafficking like Tim Tebow, or, you know, doing something righteous with it, it would still be corrupt, but she's using it to promote transgenderism to small children.

[Joe Getty]

Good God. Do you think it's enough to scare him off? A running like Mark Halperin thinks, where they'll think, why would we do this? Let's just live our Real. We're young people. Let's live our amazing rich people lives in obscurity.

[Jack Armstrong]

Buy and sell restaurants and wineries in Napa Valley and you know, inherit tons and tons of family money from the Pelosi's and the Gettys and the rest of it.

[Joe Getty]

I don't, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's about a coin flip. From where I sit, he can sniff the Oval Office, which is an aphrodisiac unlike any known to man according to anybody who's come close to winning that office.

[Joe Getty]

It's not like he's a. I don't know who would be a good example. Somebody that conceivably could be president, but probably not. He's, he's got a really, really good shot of being the nominee and being president.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he's seen the gold nuggets in the stream and he has serious gold fever.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Joe Getty]

We see her in her in cuffs, shuffling along in the orange jumpsuit and the white tube socks, headed into a

[Jack Armstrong]

prison cell, casting a longing look over her shoulder at handsome Gabby as he's shuffling off to the men's penitentiary.

[Joe Getty]

Don't go after my wife, a public servant, mother of my children.

[Jack Armstrong]

California the final frontier Voyages of the Corrupt Ship Gavin Prize we have a

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[Georgia Hardstark]

We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamarr.

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Want the full story? Take a listen.

[Georgia Hardstark]

Hetty she starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon. Do you know a lot about him?

[Karen Kilgariff]

I mean, I watch the Aviator so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed me to know about him. But incredible innovator, right?

[Georgia Hardstark]

She says he's a quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Give us examples.

[Georgia Hardstark]

I know they do get along intellectually and in fact, she helps him design a faster plane. She takes a look at what he's designed. It's got these square wings and she's like, that doesn't make sense. And so she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of like what the two would look like as a plane. And that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy and Lamarr and Billie Jean King.

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We've talked about this before, but the whole art thing, you're a person who buys art. You're one of those kind of people. But I would like to just. When I see the price on stuff, I just, I just, I know how incredibly random it is in terms of pricing it. I mean, just.

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Yeah, my, my sweet spot is very, very talented, completely unknown artists because their stuff is very inexpensive compared to. And there are multiple art galleries around where I live, and there's one that specializes in like nationally known artists. And you're right, that's like car buying

[Joe Getty]

money and so random. I. I can't even imagine what their decision process is when they decide to price some things. I mean, once you sell something, then at least you've got a number pegged. You could kind of go from there. But until you sell something at that level, I don't know.

[Karen Kilgariff]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

I suppose that's how you end up with a deal like what you just heard in that joke. Somebody probably bought that painting really dang cheap. They liked it. You know, you're at a knickknack store and it's a couple hundred bucks and that that artist went on to become something. The person who bought it originally didn't know that. And then that worked that way. But I don't trust. I don't care about making money or anything like that. I just don't trust my own judgment. I wouldn't mind having a piece of art that's, you know, worth a certain amount of money. And, you know, my kids could get that back someday or whatever if I really like it. But I just don't want to get ripped off because you jump. An 8 year old could have done that. I don't.

[Gabby (Gabriel) Nunez]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I'll buy it.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you really like looking at it.

[Gabby (Gabriel) Nunez]

That's.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the idea, you know, you don't have to look at it as an investment at all. You just think it. It's pretty or moving or interesting or you like to study it and it makes you happy.

[Joe Getty]

I've never. So I've walked into somebody like San Francisco. Downtown San Francisco's got a ton of those stores that sell that art and there's lots of tourists there. Is that stuff, like way overpriced.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's got to be right eye of the beholder. The price is what someone will give for it. And that's the difficulty of art. It's not like, you know, a gallon of gasoline. I can tell you what I'm gonna get out of that and I can tell you what it's worth. And if you don't offer it to me at the right price, I'll go elsewhere. A unique piece of art.

[Joe Getty]

Who's to say, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. So I want to get to the Supreme Court decisions real quick while we have a couple of minutes left. Three of them out today. First of all, us versus Himani, that was a case nine zero decision where they said, no, you can't take away a dude's second amendment rights because you find out he smokes pot a few times a week. It's not enough of the tradition in enough in the tradition, enough of the control of firearms in American history. You can't make the argument that that's okay if the guy's intoxicated while he's brandishing the gun and it's got nothing to do with his rights.

[Joe Getty]

But did this overturn the way we used to do it? We used to take away your right to own a gun if you got caught smoking pot.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that's crazy that that used any controlled substance.

[Joe Getty]

Because I've seen people relating to this on Twitter around the whole Hunter Biden thing, because it came up a lot with Hunter Biden and his gun charges. You can't take away my free. What other rights can you take? This is the question I always ask. What other rights do you get to take away from me? Because smoked pot, my free speech, my right to assemble, my do I have

[Jack Armstrong]

trial by jury now?

[Joe Getty]

I troops at my house because I

[Jack Armstrong]

smoke pot now and then Right, I'm sorry. You've got to house this unit of eight guys because you smoke pot. Wait, what? Another case? This was an 8 to 1er. An agreement not to appeal a sentence in a plea deal is unenforceable if it would result in a miscarriage of justice. So, yeah, you can't strongarm somebody into agreeing never to appeal a case. Which is good. That's a good decision. That was eight to one. And then in this, five to four one. It is so confusing. It's given me a headache. And I don't want to give you a headache. Has to do with court jurisdictions. And I will spare you the details.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't need to know that now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Again, it's confused me. It's disturbed me to my core. Seattle is crumbling, unfortunately. We'll have a Seattle update coming up

[Joe Getty]

next and a lot of other stuff that we'll get to. And if you missed the segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Yeti on Demand. It's going to be fantastic.

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She says he's a, quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well.

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as we speak, as we are doing this radio show, which I don't know when you're going to hear it, but JD Vance is taking questions standing up at the podium in the White House press room and it is by far the most thorough explanation from the administration thus far of what this deal is, why they think it will work. All the details from every angle by far because Trump, you know how Trump talks in the way he is and he can't quite under. I mean JD is laying it out very methodically and then people are drilling down and he's answering the questions so I'm. I'm trying not to have a knee jerk negative reaction to it just because everything that's come out over the last couple of days seems so ridiculous to me. But like for instance, he was just saying a few minutes ago on the whole Iran gets rockets thing and everything like that, look, we're not going to tell any country they're not allowed to defend themselves, whether it's Israel or Iran. And I just think, well, one's a good guy and one's a bad guy. Why are you treating them the same way? I just don't understand that. But we'll get into that now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or four. Yeah, anytime somebody engages in moral relativism, be careful. So yeah, looking forward to that. We will distill down JD Statement and his Q and A to great highlights for you so you can understand the administration's point of view and draw your own conclusions. One of the few advantages of aging is that you get to witness things that unfold over a significant period chunk of time, including the utter decay of the West Coast's great cities. In particular from Seattle to Portland to San Francisco and Sacramento and LA and San Diego. It's just utterly tragic. They have fallen apart and rotted and become diseased under Democratic Party control. And we frequently spotlight one or the other in a little feature in this case called Seattle is Crumbling. Seattle is crumbling.

[Joe Getty]

Love it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. Metal guy hadn't done a Seattle one, so he hired a new hair. Metal guy.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's the dude from Warrant that we hired to sing that he was

[Jack Armstrong]

willing to work for five bucks.

[Joe Getty]

He did that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Weighs 325 pounds now the blonde hair though.

[Joe Getty]

Or it might have been the guy from Winger who would know the difference.

[Jack Armstrong]

It doesn't matter. So a new report from the Downtown Seattle association says that Seattle lost thousands of jobs in significant property value in the years since it implemented the jumpstart payroll tax in 2020 that was hammering companies for daring to hire people and taxing them for it. The report compares Seattle status with its neighboring city, Bellevue, a lovely place which has no comparable payroll tax or social housing tax, and found that while Seattle's workforce and property values have shrunk bellews, Bellevue's rather have remained resilient. Since 2020. What we've seen in downtown Seattle is not a jump start but a slowdown. Since being implemented downtown Seattle's lost around 30,000 jobs, the office vacancy rate increased to 32% in the downtown core and more than $10 billion in office value have been lost. Meanwhile, look right over there That's Bellevue. You can see it dating back to 2020, the city has seen more job to his core lower office vacancy and the stability of office building values. This provides a stark tale of two cities and two tax environments just miles apart. The child mayor of Seattle, Katie Wilson, who is still on her mommy and daddy's payroll and is a socialist and a child in so many ways.

[Joe Getty]

It's amazing how many socialists live off their parents or a trust or borrow from friends and never pay them back or whatever. Yes, including Karl Marx himself, by the way, if you've never looked into his biography, although this was our knock on Fetterman and he turned out to be, you know, pretty damned reasonable in the

[Jack Armstrong]

Senate after his stroke.

[Joe Getty]

You think that was the difference?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know why or how, but it was a rather stark pivot point. And I don't know whether it was an emotional reaction to. I'm not going to engage in stupid politics anymore. I almost died. I'm going to tell the truth. Or if it caused a fundamental change in his brain.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because that sort of thing can change your temperament and your personality. Anyway, back to woman child, Katie Wilson. So the US Is playing the Socceroos, the Australian football team tomorrow in the World Cup. Can't wait to watch that. Got the U.S. open Golf Championship going on this weekend, too. And Father's Day. Anyway. Oh, so Seattle. And I love this. I love this characterization. Seattle cleaned itself up to host the World cup the way a child cleans his room before his parents come upstairs, by shoving the dirty laundry under the bed and stuffing everything else into the closet. Socialist mayor Katie Wilson herded thousands of drug addicts away from the neighborhood, around the big football stadium near downtown hotels, then bragged that Seattle is ready for the massive influx of international visitors. But walk a couple of blocks away and the truth crowds the sidewalk hunched over and smoking fentanyl. And this week, this writer whose name credits where credit where it is due. Oh, for God's sake, pop ups. Ari Hoffman. Nice writing, Harry. Back to the article. There we go. This week, Ari joined Jonathan Cho, senior fellow at the Discovery Institute. Not Andrea Suarez, founder of homeless outreach group We Heart Seattle for what we call the Doom Loop Tour through parts of Seattle that officials hope World cup visitors Never see at 12th and Jackson in the Chinatown International District that overlooks the stadium. I mean, it's literally a couple blocks away. Hundreds of people, hundreds clustered on corners to openly smoke fentanyl and staggered through the streets like a horde from the Walking Dead. Drug deals going down in Plain view minority owned businesses, especially in the district's Asian part. Shopkeepers that have been abandoned by the city for years were left to fend for themselves. Many had had to board up their storefront windows. One had to intervene. This is while they were there to stop a drugged out vagrant from breaking into his car while he watched, a pair of people we took to be charity workers distributed food to the addicts. Then when we tried to speak with them, the reality became clear. They weren't charity workers. They were drug dealers trying to draw in customers for their illegal drug sales.

[Joe Getty]

Oh wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, come on over here. I got a hot dog for you. You need some fentanyl. We spoke with a dazed looking girl who looked no older than 15, wearing a loose fitting bra and torn unbuttoned jeans. In one hand she held a straw and the other fentanyl foil. Now Suarez, the person I mentioned who personally interacts with homeless people and tries to get them into housing and treatment without the city's told me she believed the girl was a victim of trafficking. But the teenager declined her offer of assistance, accepted a hug and so they tried. Yeah, I know, it's so sad, the whole drug thing.

[Joe Getty]

So there is some famous actress. I didn't know she was a child star of the 80s or 90s who died recently. Did you follow that story? She's on one of those who's the bell or your dad's name is Charlie or whatever TV shows. And she died hilariously.

[Jack Armstrong]

Perfect, go on.

[Joe Getty]

She died and. And they had, you know, pictures of her as a child star and then pictures of her recently when she is found on the streets of LA and just, you know, skeletal and had gotten into the hardcore drugs. And I was just thinking about how there's almost no rescuing these people. And I don't know what we do as society to almost have to put them on an island or lock them in a camp or something because their brains are ruined. They cannot support themselves any longer. If you don't have them in like a jail like setting, they're gonna run out and do more drugs and steal stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

I don't even know what the answer is for people that are that far down the road at this point.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I want to get back to that point in just a second. Let me finish up the Seattle stuff, then we'll approach that more generally. So after encountering this poor young underaged girl who is probably, you know, some junkie, some maybe a pimps rape slave, maybe she just turns tricks to support her drug habit. She's completely lost her soul as a teenager. Then we attempted to walk through Lewis Park. I walked through Lewis Park, a natural area with a hiking trail that's become a no go zone. In the twilight we can make out the flicker the of dozens of lighters burning fentanyl along the path. Suarez, remember, that's the activist gal called out to see if anyone needed services. Addicts pelted her and Chloe with expletives and half eaten pints of Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Ice cream. In response, a few of those wandering nearby warned us not to go further in, saying it was too dangerous. Honduran drug gangs are controlling the park. By abandoning the addicts and the homeless to the gangs, the city is feeding an ecosystem of exploitation and violence. Outside the park, we came across a mostly naked, emaciated body on the ground. Couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman. We immediately called 911 and they came and retrieved the dead body. We can see the lights of Lumen Field where hundreds of thousands of soccer fans will be flocking in coming weeks.

[Joe Getty]

I used to know all those areas too. Back before I had kids. I used to go to Seattle regularly and Pioneer Square and listen to bands and walk around and drink and all that sort of stuff. And I had a good time. And I didn't realize I. That some of these areas are no go zones now for regular people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. For more than a decade, Seattle has followed the housing first model, which treats housing as the primary response to homelessness without demanding treatment, mental health care or accountability. It also, it absolutely misplaces what it is. It's not a homelessness problem. The animating detail, the most important thing about their lives is not that they lack a permanent address. It's that they're a hardcore hard drug addict, which you've said a thousand times. Back to your point, which is absolutely true. I quoted Sam Quinones the other day about don't dismiss Spencer Pratt's candidacy because it opened a lot of people's eyes and it made it, excuse me, no longer taboo to talk about what we were just saying, that it's a drug problem, not an address problem. And Sam wrote a blockbuster piece for the Free Press in which he talks about the two synthetic drugs made in Mexico. The super meth, as it's being called, or the new meth, which started in like 2012 or 2014 to be distributed on the streets and fentanyl in 2018. Both are present nationwide, but it's hyper pure coming out of Mexico. And it quickly drove the users to symptoms of psychosis and thus homelessness. And then they get on the, the fentanyl and they die. And the idea that everybody was mentally ill and that's why they're on the street is wrong. Those who are, we ought to be more aggressively helping them whether they want it or not. But the fact that the powers that be don't ever admit the drugs are destroying people's minds and making them unsalvageable zombies is just proof that it's just the government response to a lot of this is a pipeline to hand out taxpayer money to their cronies. The homeless industrial complex. And what's especially cruel about this and horrifying is these people claim to be compassionate, but they're the opposite. They're draining taxpayer money while acting compassionate and condemning these people to death. And as Sam puts it, where is it? It's been taboo to discuss these drugs, the mental illness they cause and their connection to the homelessness descend was silenced and shame. It should not be heresy to suggest that those on the streets are often drug addicted and mentally ill and essentially that the only, the only solution is to attack the drug thing. But he makes a really eloquent statement. I'm trying to find it. About how it's a slow motion death row that we're running. Letting these people fry their brains on the meth, then killing them with the fentanyl. It's the absolute opposite of compassion. I wish I could find it. I will find it. But I liked his characterization of it as a slow motion death row because that's.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I wish I was a better person and worried more about the compassion angle of it. I'm always worried about the legal, law abiding, taxpaying citizen and their role in this whole story. It'd be one thing if it was a, a death row or whatever and they weren't stealing your kid's bike or breaking into your car or threatening you as you walk down the street. But it's not. All those things are included. If we're a fenced off area where they want to die on their own, knock yourself out, do what you want. It's your life. But that's not the way it works. You're stealing from the rest of us. Ruining parts of the city where people can't, you know, run their businesses. Draining the taxpayer.

[Jack Armstrong]

100% correct. Both ends of it are correct and both of it point in the same direction. Outlaw hard drugs, bust the dealers, enforce the law. Always what we do with the thousands and thousands of people these permissive policies have allowed to become seriously, irrevocably mentally ill because of the meth. I have no idea. It's a shame, but Seattle is crumbling.

[Joe Getty]

Seattle is crumbling. I'm glad we got that in because he's got to get back to work at the Starbucks, right? Lead singer of winger, J.D. vance explaining the MOU right now. We'll have some of the highlights from that in hour four. Lots of stuff coming up. Stay here.

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I mean, I watch the Aviator, so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed me to know about him. But incredible innovator, right?

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She says he's a, quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well.

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Give us examples.

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Quick follow up to the discussion about all the street people in Seattle and all that different sort of stuff we were talking about. And what do you do with the drone drug addicts that have ruined their brains and.

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Right.

[Joe Getty]

I don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seattle in a thousand small, large and medium sized towns all over.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, a lot of places around the west coast, certainly around the country. But I honestly don't know what you do with these people. I don't know if they can quit. A lot of them don't want to quit. And then even if they did quit, if their brains don't work and they're unhirable, what do you do with them as a society?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. I found one of the things I wanted to share from Sam Quinones piece. He says outreach workers on the street offer beds, services and treatment to people living in tents among feces and disease, rape and beaten, yet who routinely refuse those services. Workers conclude these folks are not ready for treatment. But this is a reaction from another era when heroin dominating the streets and people could survive on it for years, even decades. It ignores another change fentanyl and meth have created. People on the streets will never be ready for treatment in the time it takes for meth to drive them mad and for fentanyl to kill them. Yeah, powerful stuff. I wanted to squeeze that in, but we don't want to be complete Debbie Downers. Speaking of which, Rachel Dratch, who played that hilarious character on Saturday Night Live is killing it on Broadway right now in a revival of the Rocky Horror Picture Show. And she did the commencement address at Dartmouth the other day and reprised her fabulous character.

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Wow, that. That was funny. Although that whole water thing is so a canard.

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Yeah,

[Joe Getty]

that was an interesting way to approach it. First of all, do college kids know what a famous Saturday Night Live bit was from 20 years before they were born?

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Or was it that long ago? A long time ago, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Anywho, interesting way to attack the whole AI thing in front of the college crowd is to make it like, yeah, it does suck. And let's make a joke about it as opposed to trying to pitch it as kind of a positive. Artificial intelligence is coming in the crowd boost.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, listen to me. It's gonna be great. You suck. Yeah, people joke about what they fear. It's. It's a way to come into terms with it. I think that's perfectly fine. Yeah, I mean, there's something about humor that changes a fear into. I can deal with this. I'll find a way. Yeah, this changes your brain chemistry.

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Oh my God. So, J.D. vance with the best, best explanation yet of their theory of the case around the deal with Iran to end the war. And we'll have that for you in hour four. This is all brand new stuff you haven't heard. If you don't get it, get the podcast Armstrong and Yeti on Demand.

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