A Stupid Person Jail

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "A Stupid Person Jail" (December 2, 2025)
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking and lively episode, Armstrong & Getty tackle the intersection of true crime media coverage, society’s relationship with empathy in the internet age, modern misunderstandings of economic terms like inflation, and the existential risks posed by unchecked artificial intelligence. The hosts use their signature mix of sarcasm and candid debate to question popular narratives and highlight the consequences of poorly informed public opinion—sometimes proposing tongue-in-cheek solutions like a "stupid person jail.” The episode is both intellectually engaging and darkly humorous, especially in discussions about AI, economic ignorance, and media sensationalism.

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Main Discussion Topics & Insights

1. Media Coverage of High-Profile Murder Trials

Timestamps: 02:40–07:53

• Case Overview: Armstrong and Getty discuss the murder trial of a defendant with notable looks ("good looking eyebrowed scumbag"). They scrutinize both procedural issues (evidence possibly suppressed due to police missteps) and the media’s tendency to humanize defendants by focusing on their appearance.
• Society's Disconnect from Empathy:
  • Joe argues the internet—and the "iconization" of people on social media—has eroded fundamental human empathy.

    "They've lost their sense of their fellow humans' humanity." (Joe, 04:41)

  • Jack shares personal anecdotes about online cruelty and acknowledges his own detachment when discussing celebrities.
• Media Idolization: Both hosts are frustrated by coverage portraying the defendant as a “folk hero” because of his appearance, warning that it warps public understanding of justice and morality.
• Proposed Solution (tongue-in-cheek): Jack suggests that anyone supporting the accused solely because of looks should be jailed for stupidity:

  "Anybody who's out there in support of the dude because he's so handsome needs to be put in jail. Because they're that stupid. They're a danger to society. A stupid jail, a stupid person jail." (Jack, 07:24)

2. Financial Realities vs. Consumer Behavior

Timestamps: 09:41–11:10

• Economic Paradox: The hosts question how robust Black Friday shopping is possible when personal financial indicators (missed payments, maxed-out credit cards, people living paycheck-to-paycheck) are so bleak.
• Data Analysis: Jack reads a listener text noting that while Black Friday sales were up 3%, prices rose 7%, meaning people actually bought less:

  “Sales were up, but things are way more expensive. So if you bought the same amount of stuff as last year, they would be up. Right?” (Jack, 10:37)

• Inflation Misunderstandings: Joe teases a later segment revealing “we all have inflation backwards.”

  "Inflation is not what we all say it is. We have it backwards and it's important.” (Joe, 10:46)

3. The Corruption of Language: What Inflation Really Means

Timestamps: 14:28–22:26

• Shifting Definitions: Joe examines how the meaning of 'inflation' has changed. Originally, it referred to artificial expansion of the money supply; now, it’s simply rising prices.

  “Inflation means one thing, the artificial expansion of the money supply and or credit. But over time, it’s been redefined to describe the consequences of inflation rather than its cause.” (Joe, 17:08)

• Political Consequences:
  • This change helps politicians and central banks avoid blame for policies that actually devalue money.
  • Joe laments that we no longer have language to discuss the true causes.
• Personal Impact: Jack notes how years of inflation have eroded real net worth for average people, especially savers.
• Who Benefits: Joe points out that those closest to the “points of entry” for new money (borrowers, banks, government contractors) reap the most benefit, while ordinary citizens lose out.

4. Short-Term Thinking and Societal Doom Loops

Timestamps: 22:26–23:04

• Holiday Spending vs. Personal Finance: The hosts express skepticism about America’s ability to postpone gratification—personal or political:

  "We have complete inability to say no to ourselves personally or politically." (Joe, 22:52)

• Short-Termism: Jack laments, “We are really short term thinkers,” setting up an existential segway to AI and doom.

5. Existential Risks from Artificial Intelligence and “P Doom”

Timestamps: 23:04–41:03

• Defining ‘P Doom’: Jack introduces “P Doom,” a common AI risk term meaning the probability that AI will drive humanity to extinction.

  "What's your P Doom? ...the percentage you believe the likelihood of complete doom because of AI.” (Jack, 23:04)

• Shifting from Activist to Observer:
  • Jack’s research and doom debates lead to growing pessimism but also resignation about slowing AI progress.
  • He’s disturbed by the gullibility of some AI experts who naively believe in U.S.-China cooperation on AGI, calling them “children”:

    "You're so much smarter than me when it comes to coding computer. But so much stupider than me in... not having the ability to recognize that China's one goal as a country is to pass us up and dominate the world, you child." (Jack, 32:04)

• Debate on AI Regulation: Armstrong & Getty note that attempts to regulate AI are likely futile, especially given global competition (notably from China).
• AI Expert Risk Assessments:
  • Elon Musk’s P Doom: 10–20%
  • Many current and former AI safety researchers: 20–50%
  • Some, like Eliezer Yudkowsky, are at 99%
  • The hosts are appalled by the idea that humanity is proceeding with technology the experts themselves think could easily wipe us out.
• Dark Humor & Acceptance:
  • Joe jokes about the only practical response: “I choose not to [worry]. I can’t do anything about it, so I'm going to blissfully pretend it's not happening.” (Joe, 39:34)
  • Biblical Analogies: The hosts connect humanity’s self-destructive nature to Adam & Eve and Noah’s Ark:

    “We've acquired the knowledge that we cannot handle and it will kill us.” (Joe, 40:12)
    “There is some Adam and Eve in the garden thing going on there, no doubt about it.” (Jack, 40:23)

6. Other Notable Segments

Lion Attack at Brazilian Zoo

Timestamps: 26:47–29:10

• A discussion about a man who entered a lion enclosure and was killed. The hosts debate whether people would watch such an event, with Jack postulating, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." (Joe, 27:37)
• Both find it refreshing that the zoo didn't blame (or euthanize) the lion, agreeing, “That tiger didn’t go crazy. It went tiger.” (Jack, 27:27)

Political News & Regime Change

Timestamps: 44:08–46:41

• National Review’s take on Trump needing congressional approval to use military force in Venezuela. Neither host thinks Congress would approve.
• Jack mocks drug cartel nicknames: "If I'm gonna be a high up drug kingpin, I don't want to be the Chicken." (Jack, 45:53)

Seattle Homelessness and Corporate Exodus

Timestamps: 46:41–47:41

• Seattle’s growing homeless problem in tourist areas, with Microsoft moving a major conference to Las Vegas out of safety concerns.

Brief Touches on Other Topics

Timestamps: Scattered throughout

• MRI confusion (14:28–15:40): The hosts cannot believe anyone would undergo a medical procedure without knowing what it's for, sparking jokes about “MRI reveal parties.”
• Leftist corruption of language, gender debates, and misuse of the phrase “gender affirming care” (16:00–17:08).
• Humorous, sardonic recurring ads and fake spokesperson commentary pepper segments.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Stupid Person Jail

  "Anybody who's out there in support of the dude because he's so handsome needs to be put in jail. Because they're that stupid... A stupid jail, a stupid person jail. It can be pretty nice. Could be like the place they got Ghislaine Maxwell... but you got to be away from the public if you're supporting this guy because of his eyebrows."
  — Jack Armstrong (07:24)

• On Social Media and Empathy

  "They've lost their sense of their fellow humans' humanity."
  — Joe Getty (04:41)

• On Inflation

  “Inflation means one thing, the artificial expansion of the money supply and or credit. But over time, it’s been redefined to describe the consequences of inflation rather than its cause... There’s no term left to signify the cause... you cannot talk about something that has no name, you cannot fight it."
  — Joe Getty (17:08, 19:00)

• On Short-Termism

  “We have complete inability to say no to ourselves personally or politically.”
  — Joe Getty (22:52)
  “We are really short term thinkers.”
  — Jack Armstrong (22:56)

• On AI Naivete

  "...He was all about how we've just gone overboard with thinking China is our enemy and we need to work with China. China and us can work together to create an AI. And I thought, you are freaking nuts, you child.”
  — Jack Armstrong (31:59)

• On AI Extinction Risk

  “The fact that there are lots of people that [think] 50%, how is this not a bigger conversation?”
  — Jack Armstrong (36:59)

• Biblical Analogy for Technological Doom

  “We've acquired the knowledge that we cannot handle and it will kill us... There is some Adam and Eve in the garden thing going on there, no doubt about it.”
  — Joe Getty & Jack Armstrong (40:12–40:23)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• 02:40–07:53 — Media & public reaction to murder trial, “stupid person jail”
• 09:41–11:10 — Personal finance vs. Black Friday spending; inflation set-up
• 14:28–22:26 — Language manipulation, real meaning of inflation, who wins/loses
• 23:04–41:03 — AI doom, P Doom debate, China, expert risk spectrum, existential resignation
• 26:47–29:10 — Lion attack at Brazilian zoo, human folly, animal behavior
• 44:08–46:41 — U.S. Venezuela policy, drug kingpin nicknames, media double standards
• 46:41–47:41 — Seattle homelessness, corporate retreat for safety

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Tone & Style

• Candid, Wry, and Intellectually Curious: The hosts employ sarcasm and dark humor to explore uncomfortable truths, creating an engaging yet sobering listening experience.
• Mix of Sincerity and Satire: Outlandish solutions like “stupid person jail” lampoon genuinely troubling societal roles for ignorance and media complicity.
• Accessible but Nuanced: Even as they break down economic or technological concepts, the hosts remain relatable, using analogies and pop culture references.

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Conclusion

This episode is a quintessential example of Armstrong & Getty's blend of social criticism, economic and technological skepticism, and dark, engaging wit. The hosts interrogate the dangerous power of media narratives, challenge the public’s economic illiteracy, and raise alarms about humanity’s heedless rush towards potential self-destruction via AI—all the while keeping listeners entertained and provoked. Whether you’re interested in true crime, economics, media critique, or existential tech anxiety, this episode is a stimulating listen.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I thought that was pretty interesting when I learned that yesterday. The cases started with the good looking eyebrowed scumbag murderer being charged with killing that United Healthcare worker. Just murdered him in cold blood. Shot him in the back. Awful, awful, awful story. But I thought it was interesting that maybe they didn't cross their T's and dot their eyes in terms of following legal protocol, getting some of the evidence. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

You'll have to see. The defense always claims that they, they try to get everything tossed out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure. The fact that they're the, the media went along with the. Here he is smiling in court, showing the good looking kid all dress up nice and neat, looking like a model, smiling in the courtroom. I saw that on every freaking newscast I watched. Way to build him into a folk hero.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. It's disgusting. I'm trying to puzzle out what's behind people's, the people who are fans and, and you know, contributing to his legal defense and idolizing the guy and because he murdered a young dad. Now you might be really unhappy with the state of American healthcare and health insurance. I am. But to then make the leap that therefore murdering somebody's fine. To get attention to the, to the issue because that's more or less the argument that's being made or this guy was complicit in it. Therefore, I just think it's that so many people live so much of their lives online, they've forgotten what real human beings are. In a way, they see everybody as just an icon or a video or a series of posts online. They've lost their sense of their fellow humans, humanity.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I became aware of this a long time ago as we are minor celebrities that when people say incredibly awful things on the text line or Twitter or whatever, I realize that they don't see me as an actual human being. I'm a, like a TV show or something and you know, just Take it that way, because I. I know I do that with celebrities, and I'm not proud of it, but I, you know, make comments about their lives or fashion choices or, you know, surgeries they've gotten on their faces or whatever, as if they aren't actual human beings with feelings and needs and desires and everything like that. And so I think you're right. I think this has just grown to include, like, practically everybody is just an actor in a play as opposed to an actual human being.

[Joe Getty]

So you're. You're like, indicating directionally what you think. You. If you want to make clear that you think American health insurance and our system is screwed up, you say hooray for the murder of this young man, because that indicates I am against the current state of things. Forgetting that to encourage murder is just horrific. Where does it end? Genius.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hadn't seen the video in a while, and when they showed, you know, portions of it yesterday on the newscast because the trial started, ugh, I was really reminded how horrible is that dude? Just walking down the street and this young scumbag shoots him in the back and he goes to his knees, dies there in the sidewalk. It's just horror.

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[Jack Armstrong]

And then you factor in the fact that a lot of the appeal of Luigi is the fact that he's handsome. What the freak is wrong with you?

[Joe Getty]

Well, and he didn't have any interactions with United Healthcare, so it was just like a generalized insurance is a problem. So I'm gonna find somebody in the industry and murder them.

[Jack Armstrong]

He didn't have any problems with anything. He went to a super expensive grade school, middle school, high school, Went to, what, Ivy League college. He's been rich his entire life. He's one of those type of people.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, he had a lot of. He had some pretty serious back issues and back pain and a lot of medical treatment, so I can believe he had a gripe about our medical system. But again, that's just. That doesn't even enter into it. What? I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I think I said this during the commercials. I think I honestly believe this. Anybody who's out there in support of the dude because he's so handsome needs to be put in jail. Because they're that stupid. They're a danger to society. A stupid jail, a stupid person jail. It can be pretty nice. Could be like the place they got Ghislaine Maxwell. It doesn't have to be hardcore, but you got to be away from the public if you're supporting this guy because of his eyebrows. Yeah, you You. You should not be in the public.

[Joe Getty]

A stupid denture, if you will. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I just deny them the vote. That's enough for me. I'm a kind and merciful man. Just don't let them vote ever again. All right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Weird editorial decision, though, by all the news people to areas smiling in the courtroom. Okay, what is that? What are you trying to do?

[Joe Getty]

I think they get everybody that way. They get the fans and the. The people who understand that murder is a bad thing. Which apparently we need to remind people of.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So open the show. Asking the question, how do these economic numbers all fit together where you've got more people not making their car payment than in many, many, many years. More people maxed out on their credit cards, people falling behind on their student loans, people saying their one month ran away from being poor, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right direction, wrong direction for their own personal economy. Horrible. Yet we had a huge Black Friday weekend. I'm trying to figure that out. And everybody else is too. But we did get this text. Black Friday sales were up 3% total, but prices are up 7%. So that means people actually bought 4% less stuff. I'm not sure everybody understands basic economic. I'm trying to noodle that through. Does that make sense? Sales were up, but things are way more expensive. So if you bought the same amount of stuff as last year, they would be up. Right?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's true.

[Joe Getty]

Or if it's down less than the rate of inflation, obviously it would be up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Huh. That should be your answer. Why do you.

[Joe Getty]

By the way, people, inflation is not what we all say it is. We have it backwards and it's important. We'll explain coming up later this hour.

[Jack Armstrong]

Inflation is not what we think it is. We have it backwards.

[Joe Getty]

Correct. We've all been wrong. Dead wrong. Filthy wrong. Shamefully wrong. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Joel explained.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, I will. All right.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

What part of your body was the MRI looking at? I have no idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's not physically possible.

[Joe Getty]

To have.

[Jack Armstrong]

No idea.

[Joe Getty]

It's not possible.

[Jack Armstrong]

What would you say to the doctor? No, no, no, don't tell me. I want to find out at my MRI reveal party. It's the lymph node.

[Joe Getty]

For God's sakes, man. Were you not curious at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

When they laid you down in a tube for a half an hour to 45 minutes? You didn't want to know what they might be doing?

[Joe Getty]

Or did you just think to yourself.

[Jack Armstrong]

What a loud tanning bed? Yeah, well, that struck me the same way, too, when Trump said, I have no idea what they did an MRI on. I just. I can't imagine not being curious and wanting to know myself.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, just. I mean. Because you find medical science interesting?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I have personal interest in my own health. So you think I might have something wrong with me? You're gonna do an MRI on what?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know. Had one Email or say that? No, since the budget is unlimited. They just did a whole body MRI or what? I don't know if that's a thing that. Wouldn't that take hours and hours and hours? Because you got to take very specific shots of the various levels of you to get those layered images. I don't know what's going on and never will. So I found this really, really interesting. It might seem. Seem like a quibble to you, but it's not. I think it's fundamentally really important. How many times have we talked about how the left perverts language? How they change the meanings of words or equivocate between two terms like sex and gender? First they tell you, no, gender is different from sex. It's just the way you express yourself. And then my. Your child needs to change his gender. Do you mean to get a sex change? No, we've already reckoned with that as a society. We don't give sex changes to children. But now they've invented new terms to try to confuse issues. They do that all the time. And it pisses me off when even conservatives use terms like gender affirming care, for instance, which is obviously a term created to cloud issues. Found this super interesting. This guy from the Missei Institute, Ludwig Misse. Is that just a Ludwig von Mises? Mise misses Whatever. I'm not French, I'm an American.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's me, Mises.

[Joe Getty]

The Mises Institute says every major economic illusion begins with the corruption of a word inflation once meant popularly. People's perception of the word inflation. They understood what it still means. In truth, the artificial expansion of money and credit. Inflation means one thing, the artificial expansion of the money supply and or credit. But over time, it's been redefined to describe the consequences of inflation rather than its cause. Now, here's where you might think Joe Getty, expert wordsmith, is really slicing it thin. But that's not the case.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's exactly what I was thinking and.

[Joe Getty]

That'S why I thought it was so interesting about this. The deliberate inversion of language serves a political purpose. It shifts blame from those who create money to those who merely spend it, transforming an act of monetary fraud into a mere statistical phenomenon. And I think even more important, their second point is, and they mentioned the result is profound because by refine, redefining inflation, governments have obscured its nature and economists have lost its meaning. And citizens have come to accept their gradual impoverishment as an unavoidable fact of life. And also, this is the part that I really liked, since we don't since we've used inflation now to describe a rise in prices, we don't have a word for an artificial inflation of the money supply anymore. If you say inflation, people think hot dogs are more expensive.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know I do.

[Joe Getty]

We don't have a word for what used to be inflation. People today use the term inflation to refer to the phenomenon that is the inevitable consequence of inflation. That's the tendency of all prices and wages to rise. The result of this deplorable confusion is that there is no term left to signify the cause of this rise in prices and wages. There's no longer any word available to signify the phenomenon that has been up till now called inflation. If it follows that nobody cares about inflation in the traditional sense of the term, as you cannot talk about something that has no name, you cannot fight it. Those who pretend to flight fight inflation are in fact only fighting what is the inevitable consequence of inflation. Rising prices. Their ventures are doomed to failure because they do not attack the root of the evil. That was an excellent point.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So governments do things that will cause. In what we call inflation. Nobody discusses that. When the inflation occurs, what we call inflation occurs, then we have discussions about that.

[Joe Getty]

They do things. What things? What things are you talking about? I need to be introduced to this concept because we've changed the meaning of the word. And they go on, in case you're thinking, well, prices go up a little bit. They, you know, it's fine. I'm used to it. For every expansion.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like your sanguine tone. That's really good.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's, it's my. I'm not really involved. I don't know much about this. Yeah, yeah. Let's see. For every expansion in the money supply, it constitutes a form of legalized counterfeiting that robs all holders of money, redistributing wealth from savers and producers. Hello. To those nearest the new money's points of entry. Prices adjusting evenly. Because new money does not enter all pockets at once. It flows first to borrowers, banks, and state contractors before dispersing through the broader economy. Or I would argue, it flows into the pockets of those who politicians wish to bribe to get their votes.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is true. You know, I hadn't thought about if you, if you actually start thinking about your net worth and how it's changed over the inflation years, starting in like 2020. It's depressing. It's depressing. But so you know, your, your chunk of money that you've been hanging on to is worth. God, what is it? Worth 10, 15% less than it was not very long ago. But people who are getting money, they've adjusted those amounts for inflation, Right?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

They haven't adjusted my savings for inflation.

[Joe Getty]

So, you know, you go back to the absolutely obscene un American impeachable treason trial with hangings quality Inflation Red act, remember that one? That was inflation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

It vastly inflated the money supply. They borrowed vast amounts of money and pumped them into the economy. That was inflation. It didn't cause inflation. You know, I'll be frustrated the rest of my life because everybody else in the world folks will continue to use the convention or the, the current meaning.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of the term and you'll die an early death with your friends.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right, exactly. Because of my anger. But they mentioned the Austrian School of Economics in the understanding new money changes prices which beget other change changes from injection points. Inflation benefits those who receive new money first and penalizes those normal people who receive it last.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what I was talking about earlier. I'll be interested to see how this whole spending season shakes out. If we end up actually spending more than last year.

[Joe Getty]

Through the holidays while.

[Jack Armstrong]

Being behind on car payment, student loans, being the scaredest we've ever. Most scared we've ever been around health care costs. What does that mean about our society?

[Joe Getty]

We have complete inability to say no to ourselves personally or politically.

[Jack Armstrong]

We are really short term thinkers.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, doomed.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's P doom? P Doom is actually a term they use in the AI world. What your, what's your P doom? Various people ask each other. That's the percentage you believe the likelihood of complete doom because of AI that it's going to destroy mankind. And I can tell you what various people's P dooms are and why they have them and why I am so much more pessimistic today than I was 24 hours ago about AI.

[Joe Getty]

I certainly hope the P doom is generally 1 to 2%.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? 1 1% maybe. I am much more pessimistic having taken in a bunch of information yesterday about ever getting her. In fact, I've given up. I have given up. No longer I'm going to be concerned about it.

[Joe Getty]

It's kind of liberating, really.

[Jack Armstrong]

Giving up a certain way in a certain way. Yes, on the way. So stay here.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wow, you never hear that. And I've always wondered that, that. Why do you put down an animal who, when given the opportunity, eats somebody? That's what they're supposed to do. Like Chris Rock once said, that tiger didn't go crazy, it went tiger.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Well, given the opportunity, the guy climbed into the enclosure. Come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where was that? Where was that, Katie?

[Joe Getty]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. That was in. That was in Brazil.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. So if you're at the zoo, I have a dent. If I'm with my little kids, the answer is obviously different. But if I'm by myself as a grown man and I see some nutjob about to climb into the lion cage, am I thinking, cool, or am I horrified?

[Joe Getty]

I think you'd be horrified and amazed and have just, what, some percentage.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some percentage.

[Joe Getty]

You would be like, oh, my God. Yeah. So once he's in there and the lion is approaching him, do you watch?

[Jack Armstrong]

Or.

[Joe Getty]

Once the lion starts chewing on him, do you watch or do you look away?

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I'd be probably horrified. Person's probably mentally ill. Right.

[Joe Getty]

But because I'm sick, I. I watched the video, and the guy is shimmying down the tree. He doesn't even hit the ground before.

[Jack Armstrong]

The lion starts going at him.

[Joe Getty]

And then she takes him into, like, a bush, like she's hiding with a snack.

[Jack Armstrong]

So nobody could really see anything.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And. And lions, it's not like they. It's a Texas Chainsaw thing. It just gets around the neck and clamp down and suffocate you. Yeah. And then they. They sprayed it with a fire extinguisher.

[Jack Armstrong]

To get it away from the guy.

[Joe Getty]

But it was too late.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he shouldn't have climbed into the lion cage. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Just as general rule of thumb, don't do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

So if you listen to this show, you know, I'm endlessly fascinated with AI, and I think I always will be. It's maybe the most interesting thing that's ever happened on planet Earth, and it's going to become more evident that that is the case as days, months and years go by. I was briefly over the weekend thinking I might become an activist to try to slow down AI but I took in more information yesterday that made me think that's a waste of time. So while I will continue to be endlessly fascinated by AI, I am no longer going to be an activist. Here's one of the reasons which I thought I found this, this is not surprising, you still got human beings involved. So I've been taking, I read a lot, I watch a lot of videos. I've been watching these doom debates. I'm doom pilled as they called it because I am definitely a believer that this is going to be a bad thing, not a good thing when AI gets smarter. So I am doom pilled buzz watching a pretty good debate between a doomer and somebody on the other side of it who's an accelerationist. And I went into it, you know, tear him apart, doomer and the accelerationist actually convinced me, you know, that's a pretty good debate for performance. When you lean one direction and you're watching a debate and the person that like is not your natural inclination ends up winning you over.

[Joe Getty]

Sure. That's what universities used to do, the free exchange of ideas so people learn things. Good times.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, this guy actually he, he, he won me over mostly by just getting into the how the hell would you regulate it? And getting into the particulars of it. It's just not possible. And anything you attempted to do would do more harm than good. And then you always have. As you brought up yesterday, the China problem of so we're going to regulate it to death. There, there are a thousand different state bills in state houses around the country right now of every different kind that would make it impossible for open AI or chat GPT. Well they're the same thing or grok or you know, whoever's different thing to get off the ground because there's so many different ways of trying to regulate it. Meanwhile China's screaming ahead. So anyway, there's that also. But this is the part that really struck me. I was watching some of these AI geniuses and they're morons. They're way smarter than me when it comes to computers and AI. They are not smarter than me when it comes to geopolitics or human nature. Absolutely not smarter.

[Joe Getty]

And I've seen some of them talking their children.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

In their understanding of human nature and geopolitics.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I was watching this guy yesterday and he's one of the top AI people the entire World. I don't remember which name it was. And. And he's. He was all about how we've just gone overboard with thinking China is our enemy and we need to work with China. China and us can work together to create an AI.

[Joe Getty]

And I thought, you are freaking nuts, you child. Sound.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on, you are so much smarter than me then when it comes to, you know, coding computer. But so much stupider than me and most everybody else in. And not having the ability to recognize that China's one goal as a country is to pass us up and dominate.

[Joe Getty]

The world, you child.

[Jack Armstrong]

In.

[Joe Getty]

In the name of totalitarianism.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And they have no interest whatsoever in working with us to create an AI that benefits all mankind and they never.

[Joe Getty]

Ever will, you child.

[Jack Armstrong]

So as long as we need to.

[Joe Getty]

Work with them in goodwill and they'll be nice to us and we'll be nice to put on a little Lord Fauntleroy outfit and suck on a lollipop, you dope. You child. You child.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was both not surprising and disappointing to realize that the same moronic politics and human nature and blind spots are going to be involved in the debate around AI as there is with freaking everything else.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. It reminds me of civilian control of the military that exists for a very specific set of reasons. Civilian control of AI. We'll let you worry about the particulars and develop it and come up with new weapons and the rest of it, but there have got to be none in the lab forces that talk about how to be used, how it be used. On the other hand, it's funny, all these. We got a bunch of great emails on this topic. I've read articles, I've listened to you talk about it. And I just sit here, you know, munching on a celery stick, playing cribbage on my phone. And when everybody's done talking, I say, what about China? And I go back to playing cribbage on my phone. Because you could talk for weeks about. Well, we could. We probably don't want to regulate the development of it and the research, but we can regulate the implementation of it in ways that make sure that. What about China? And I sit down again.

[Jack Armstrong]

So getting to this whole P Doom Con concept. So this, I don't remember it was coined a couple of years ago. And it's a regular thing. You ask people to start the conversation of what's your P Doom. What's your percentage of this is going to destroy mankind. And for instance, Elon Musk is like 10 to 20%, which seems incredibly high. I mean, if that is. If that is realistic, you wouldn't think you'd go down a road where there's a 1 in 5 chance it destroys all of mankind. But we are. Anywho, this one particular expert, the one that was a moron about China and their desires, his P doom is around 1%. And they said, and he said, it's just insane. The idea that anybody thinks it's incredibly likely that we destroy mankind now. He said, now a catastrophic, catastrophic event unlike anything mankind has ever seen. I'm much, much higher on that. But destroying mankind completely. I was like, what?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, okay, so your better case scenario ain't great. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you're narrowing it to absolutely destroys mankind completely. Human beings no longer exist on Earth. Anything short of that is fine. What the hell kind of a mindset is that?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, again, this guy's probably great in the lab, but I don't want him in charge of anything. So a lot of you. What he's describing would reduce the population by what, I don't know, 10 to 98%.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. And he actually said something like, you know, there would still be millions of people left that could procreate and rebuild society. Well, I don't think most of us want to live through whatever that would be. You freaking weirdo.

[Joe Getty]

You child.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just alerting you to the fact that some of the people that are in charge of these systems that are going to take over the world have these crazy, crazy outlooks on things. But just getting to P doom to pay this off, 1 to 5% means you're very optimistic. A lot of but researchers are optimistic that it won't destroy mankind. 5 to 15% is considered moderate concern. It's common among people who think the risks are real but manageable. 15% likelihood of completely destroying mankind seems incredibly high. And like being really blase to let that go. 20 to 50%. And this is what I wanted to mention. 20 to 50%. Fairly worried. A lot of current and former open AI, anthropic and deep mine safety people land in this category. 20 to 50%. You think it's 50% likely this is going to destroy mankind on planet Earth? All of you people that work for all of these big AI corporations.

[Joe Getty]

So let's get started. Let's get to work.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, that's unbelievable. And then you've got. I've talked about Elliot Yudkowski who wrote the book that just came out a couple months ago. If anyone builds it, everyone dies. He's at 99% and has to been for quite some time and there are other people like him. But the fact that there are lots of people that hurt 50%, how is this not a bigger conversation?

[Joe Getty]

Right. JT and Livermore suggests that let's, let's retitle that. If China builds it, we all die. If China gets there first, do you really think they won't ask it to help wipe America off the face of the planet? So I'd argue it's 100% likely that if China builds it first, the world is screamed. But if America builds it first, we might actually secure safety and freedom for the whole planet. So if, even if Musk is right about the 20 likelihood that AI kills us, I'll gladly take the 80% likelihood that it helps spread American values over the absolute certainty that to have China win, we're all screamed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think you're missing the point that if it becomes super intelligence, ain't nobody controlling it, us, China or anybody else. It's going to do whatever it wants to do. It's not being created. It's, it's growing. It's currently growing and it's growing in ways they didn't predict and have no idea how fast it's going to grow. It's on its own now. It's out there doing its thing.

[Joe Getty]

Even if you fully accept that and comprehend that America's got to be first to get it, well be. And then when it goes out of control and destroys us all, we'll think, well, darn it, we didn't have to try so hard. After all, it didn't matter. But you know, that'll be 2020 hindsight as our organs are harvested or we're melted by death rays, or nobody's quite sure. So a quick word from our friends at Webroot. Black Friday through Cyber Monday is the super bowl for scammers. While you're hunting deals, they're hunting passwords, credit cards and identities. Webroot Total Protection brings devices, identity, privacy, VPN and backup together so you can shop and scroll with confidence and listen to this craziness. Take 75 off [e-mail] Armstrong 75 [e-mail].

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[Jack Armstrong]

I will shut up about this for today after just saying for the third time, I can't believe mankind is building something where a lot of people in charge think there's a 50 chance that it wipes us out. It's almost hard to wrap your head around.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I choose not to. I, I can't do anything about it, so I'm going to blissfully pretend it's not happening.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's like the ultimate human nature thing, I guess. And I kind of like. I was talking about yesterday how we, you know, we all in theory, like to be healthy, but we eat pie and cookies and all these different sorts of things that are, you know, not in our best interest. It's just.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I, I think, and, and I'm not a theologian, I'm not, you know, a terribly devout person. But, but there is absolute, there's an undeniable biblical feel to this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely, absolutely is. We can't resist an impulse even though we know it's going to destroy us. There is some Adam and Eve in the garden thing going on there, no doubt about it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. We've acquired the knowledge that we cannot handle and it will kill us. And if you believe in God Almighty.

[Jack Armstrong]

We know it going in and we're still doing it well.

[Joe Getty]

And if you believe in, in, in God is held as described by Judeo traditions. The idea that we had a couple million years, few million years, it was a good run and now it's time to end and on to the next thing. Or maybe stripping it down to the 5% of the population, excuse me, and going from there. That's not crazy. Noah's Ark, etc.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's.

[Joe Getty]

It's not like it's not been thought of before. It's been thought of and described many times, several times. Anyway, that's good stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's good stuff. Any thoughts, Text us or email us more on the way. Armstrong and Getty. The most depressing radio show.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Probably the top Republican publication in my mind in America, National Review, has got an editorial board piece out. If Trump wants to use military force to topple Maduro, he needs to cut a Congress and ask for authorization. That's their take.

[Joe Getty]

Mm. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if you'd get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Would he get it?

[Joe Getty]

No. No, I would guess not. Because there's nobody in America who's running around pitching the idea of attacking Venezuela. I mean, it has no constituency. I mean, we might not like drug cartels and that sort of thing, but. But what. What happens next? Unless we have, like, their top three generals have said, oh, yeah, I'm totally down with the plan. I would love to be allied with the United States. Let's get this done. It would be a quagmire.

[Jack Armstrong]

Given our recent experiments with regime change, I don't think a majority of Americans probably want to give that a world be my guess.

[Joe Getty]

I think you're absolutely right. Oh, speaking of Maduro, this is. This is amusing. Establishments like cnn, the Associated Press, and the New York Times have all, in various articles, embraced the new narrative about Venezuela's cartel de La Solis. It doesn't actually exist. It's not real. It's. It's. It's been made up. In spite of the fact that all of them covered the Biden administration prosecuting successfully a higher up known as El Pollo, the Chicken, back in 2023, this guy got extradited and. And prosecuted.

[Jack Armstrong]

I want a better nickname. If I'm gonna be a high up drug kingpin, I don't want to be the Chicken.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's kind of weak, dudes. Look, I'm not gonna shoot anybody over this, but the chicken. Really?

[Jack Armstrong]

The cock? You don't even get to be that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it just says El Pollo anyway, so. Yeah, back when that was happening in The Biden administration, U.S. labels Maduro tide. Cartel de La Solas is a terror organization. It's not a cartel per se is the current headline in the the ap. But back in the day when the Biden administration was prosecuting them, it was dangerous.

[Jack Armstrong]

Everybody always overplays their hand. You can go ahead and be against regime change in Venezuela. You don't have to pretend that they're not a narco state to do it.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Got this story I wanted to touch on. There is a homeless encampment near the Space Needle in Seattle. It's gained international media attention. Well, Seattle, after a very brief jog toward the right and not just toward the right from like openly communist to reasonable liberal is now going to veer back leftward as Mayor elect Katie Wilson, who is just a treat, takes office in January of 26. The Space Needle homeless camp is growing like a weed and she has vowed to end junkie camp cleanups. They call them homeless camps to hide the fact that it's almost entirely junkies. But the growing camp highlights Seattle's worsening homeless crisis as Microsoft just announced it's moving its build 2026 conference to Las Vegas and away from Seattle. It is widely believed this is due to safety concerns around the Seattle Convention Center.

[Jack Armstrong]

Microsoft itself having their conference in a different town.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's amazing. Let's see, moving along, it wasn't gonna jump on. It's gonna take a little while to explain. You're about to see a bunch of new lawsuits against the oil industry. There is a new venture fund backed law firm backed by lefty hedge fund guys that are going to be filing suit all over the place. So look forward to hearing about that. That's where it's coming from. And you know we have been somewhat remiss in not reporting on governor Tim Waltz Lamo among lame Os presiding over the theft of more than a billion dollars in taxpayer funds. And then Waltz is trying to blame Trump for failing to stop the scheme. Man, these lefty schemes to hand out money, they always end up in massive fraud. Our four is going to be great. If you don't get our four, grab it via podcast. You ought to subscribe to Armstrong and Getty on demand. Armstrong and Getty.

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