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Jack Armstrong
This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed human broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Joe Getty
Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Co-host/Producer
On Chinese social media. AI generated video. You roll up here, dress like a damn robot, robot dogs and soldiers liberating a backward, impoverished United States. Seizing guns, commandeering churches. A dystopian vision of a future America under Chinese control, powered by drones and AI tech made in China.
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Joe Getty
For the record, I am backward, but I'm not impoverished.
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Co-host/Producer
That's on Chinese social media, which, of course, nothing gets to make the rounds on Chinese social media without approval of the Communist party.
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Joe Getty
Just like TikTok.
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Co-host/Producer
And of course, it was a big benefit to them to have this American skater skating for the Chinese Communist Party where they can skier. Sorry. Making the argument that she wasn't making the argument, but they can couch it around a profile of her skating skiing for China, as this is why she's skiing for us. Because they're an impoverished, backward country and.
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Joe Getty
Right. Yeah.
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Co-host/Producer
Their biggest, brightest stars want to be on our side.
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Joe Getty
Meanwhile, the Chinese American young lady whose father told the Communists to F off when they came with their money, just won the gold medal.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah.
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Joe Getty
Ms. Wu, so I'm sorry, that's you. So our slogan today is woo you, boo goo.
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Co-host/Producer
That's such a ready made, great story. It's too bad the media doesn't have any interest in it. You got one grew up in Oakland, one grew up in San Francisco. Both approached by the communists to compete for their team. One said, screw you, wins a gold medal. The other one, also a gold medal winner, decides to help support the Communist Party. It's such an interesting story, but, yeah, the media has no interest in it.
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Joe Getty
No, no, they're terrible. They hate America and I hate them. So there we go.
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Co-host/Producer
We do have breaking news. I need to hit you with real more breaking news. More breaking news. This isn't even. The Supreme Court has said no to the tariffs. Yeah, we're going to talk more about that later this hour. This is about the Iran strike. President Trump just told reporters that he's considering a limited military strike in Iran to pressure it into a deal. So hit him a little bit for a day and say, okay, you. You want more or what?
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Joe Getty
I am not joking. Exactly.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah, that might not be a bad idea.
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Joe Getty
He's been hinting around that for a little while now. Yeah, I don't.
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Co-host/Producer
He's probably actually thinking, you morons, we're gonna destroy you. We're Gonna destroy everything. We're gonna kill you all. We're gonna destroy everything you've built. What are you gonna get out of this, you idiots?
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Joe Getty
Yeah,
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Co-host/Producer
which is a good question.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. Please grab our discussion with Mike Lyons from last hour via podcast. Armstrong, you get on demand. As I said, if I'm the Iranians or I'm advising them, number one, I've lost my soul. Kill me if you see me. Secondly, I would say agree to anything, absolutely anything. We'll start cheating next week. We'll, you know, we'll string it along. We'll wait till there's a Democrat in the White House, then we'll cry that our people are being starved and AOC will come to our aid and we'll get a better agreement. Then we'll go back to getting our nukes together. We just gotta bide our time for a while. Why they're not doing that, really both fascinates me and perplexes me.
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Co-host/Producer
Or even if they sincerely decided, we gotta give up on this nuclear weapon thing, I wish we could have gotten one, but we can't. And so our choice now is either we all die and every everything gets demolished in this country or we agree to this stuff. So let's agree. I mean, that wouldn't be a crazy thing to do.
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Joe Getty
No, not at all. In fact, anything else would be a crazy thing to do. I don't know what they're thinking.
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Co-host/Producer
What I wonder is, politically, what would a sustained military campaign against Iran. You're going to have videos coming out of civilians dying because it's going to be hard to drop a whole bunch of bombs and blow up all that sort of stuff without having civilians die. What's the political mood going to be in this country? Well.
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Joe Getty
Well. And the only thing, as they say, Hamas or Iran likes better than a dead Jewish child is a dead Palestinian child or a dead Iranian child. Right.
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Co-host/Producer
Since they have no problem killing their own people. Killed 30,000 just a couple of weekends
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Joe Getty
ago, load them down the streets.
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Co-host/Producer
They'll kill a bunch of people and put out video of. Look what the Americans are doing.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. Their most talented filmmakers are gearing up right now to do that very thing.
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Co-host/Producer
That's ugly.
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Joe Getty
Oh, these are enjoyable times. So we need to take a break in at least a couple of minutes, then come back. If we're going to discuss the fact that everything, everything, everything is downstream of culture. Nobody ever talks about it. Or one of the worst things she's ever said, AOC normally just a cute dope. She denigrated the very Idea that there is such a thing as western culture or Judeo Christian culture. And I am going to fight back against that moronic, dangerous, self hating notion in a couple of months.
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Co-host/Producer
Okay then, quick poll before we go to break and complete honest answer. Michael, Katie, everyone here. I swore off desserts as a New Year's resolution. My birthday is tomorrow. Can I have a piece of cake on my birthday as an exception or not? Yes, Michael.
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Joe Getty
Yes.
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Co-host/Producer
Okay. Katie.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, absolutely.
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Co-host/Producer
Really interesting. Okay. Joe is a no. Joe's a no.
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Joe Getty
No. Get a great substitute. You'll give yourself a hundred dollar budget at the bookstore. Go buy a real couple really special
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Co-host/Producer
books that doesn't taste like cake if
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Joe Getty
they're the right books. At times, both of my,
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Co-host/Producer
both my nieces, I texted them and they were like, yeah, your birthday one day, that's no big deal. Of course you can have cake. Both my brothers, they're my niece's fathers, were like, hell no. Absolutely not. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game.
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Joe Getty
I'm your blood, I'm your brother with another mother. I'm saying the same thing. No, you must be strong.
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Co-host/Producer
New Year's resolutions are funny this way. It's. People are so all or nothing about them. I mean, the point is really to eat much, to eat better.
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Joe Getty
Yes.
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Co-host/Producer
And one day is not going to change that.
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Joe Getty
So you're a liar. Okay, that's fine if you can, if you can live with that.
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Co-host/Producer
If you can sleep at night having
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Joe Getty
had a piece of cake, monster that you are. No, I wish you had said the only cake I will eat. The only desserts I will eat are my birthday, Thanksgiving and Christmas.
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Co-host/Producer
But I had to announce that ahead of time or I've committed a crime or something.
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Joe Getty
Yes, it was an implied contract. I know the law.
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Co-host/Producer
Oh my God, it's hilarious.
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Joe Getty
Oh well. Hanson wants to know if you want a trophy just for showing up for work today. That's pretty funny. Wwje. What would Jesus eat? We'll discuss that perhaps coming up.
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Co-host/Producer
I would like a participation certificate for having just appeared at work today. Okay, we'll get to that other stuff Joe mentioned.
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Jack Armstrong
Next, Armstrong and Getty.
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Co-host/Producer
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Joe Getty
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Co-host/Producer
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Joe Getty
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Co-host/Producer
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Joe Getty
Stringing out a beloved short little string of movies for obvious profit. That's the business they're in.
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Co-host/Producer
They've been good, though, all the ones I've seen. As opposed to like a lot of other sequels which just fall off a cliff.
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Joe Getty
Right, right. So on a. Tom Hanks and Tim Allen are in it.
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Co-host/Producer
Okay, cool.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. All right. For goodness sakes. We gonna talk about children's movies here? No, we're tunes.
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Co-host/Producer
We're done.
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Joe Getty
For children, we're done. All right, so the other day, AOC said and did one of the worst things she ever has. Not that it matters. She used finger qu when she described Western values, which was an idiotic thing to do, but she's an idiot, so I'm not surprised. There have been a couple of. Well, there have been many, many stories lately that have to do with the culture wars and, you know, the universities and just that whole realm of news that are essentially a denial that Western values, Judeo Christian principles are valuable and great. In fact, they're usually portrayed as evil or exclusionary or bigoted or something like that. And then it's fallen to the half wits and white supremacists and Nick Fuentes of the world to defend Western values, which is not a good way to go. Which is why it was so gratifying to hear Marco Rubio in his well received speech over there in Munich talking about that very thing. As Barton Swaim points out, and I wish we had time for the whole thing, but we don't. He said the world's least Christianized societies are the least open, intolerant, in short, the least liberal. If any of you atheists were to list 10 nations in which you would agree to live permanently, there's a good chance all 10 would bear the indelible marks of Christian belief and practice.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah, well, this reminds me of that Tom Holland book we were talking about a couple weeks back. Dominion, I think it's called, about the importance of Christian values and how we're all living in Christian culture. Whether you realize it or not, whether you go to church or believe or anything or not, you're benefiting from Christian culture.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, the discussion we're having right now really has nothing to do with accepting Jesus as the divine made Human and the son of God and the Savior or whatever else it has to do with. Well, for instance, you know, the key, the core thesis of dominion is that most Westerners, including liberals and atheists and progressives, are far more Christian in their moral instincts than they realize the values they hold most dear. I'm quoting now. Human rights, compassion for the weak, opposition to cruelty, love of equality, the idea that the power should be powerful, should be accountable. Those did not emerge from neutral reason or natural human sentiment. Their specific inheritances of Christianity.
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Co-host/Producer
One of the things Tom Holland talks a lot about in his book is how prior to the Christian revolution or philosophy or whatever come along, the strong beating up on the weak was accepted as good, cool, like the way things should be. If you went into a town and you could. You killed all the men and raped all the women and they had it coming because they were weak and couldn't stop it.
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Joe Getty
Right.
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Co-host/Producer
And it was.
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Joe Getty
You okay with that, Progressives?
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Co-host/Producer
Christianity that brought about the idea of no, no, no, the weak need to be defended and supported against the strong trying to do whatever they want, blah blah, blah.
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Joe Getty
That is a great for instance for our progressive friends. Here's a short list of the underpinnings of Western values and democracy in general that flow directly from Judeo Christian values, human dignity and equality. This is to Jack's point. The idea that every person is made in the image of God laid a theological foundation for the belief that each individual has inherent worth, which later translated into natural rights theory equals standing before the law and universal human rights. Jewish and Christian values, limited government and the rule of law. The Bible, the Old Testament established that even kings were subject to God's law. A radical idea for the ancient world. The prophetic tradition meant rulers could be publicly rebuked. This contributed to the concept that no human authority is absolute, which underpins constitutional limits on power. How about individual conscience and moral accountability emphasizes the direct relationship between the individual and God, making personal conscience a moral anchor. This fed into ideas of religious freedom, freedom of thought, speech and individual rights that are central to liberal democracy. The separation of the sacred and the secular. I think that's self explanatory. The idea of covenant and consent. The Hebrew covenant tradition. God in a community enter into a mutual agreement with obligations on both sides. That influenced early modern political thinkers like John Locke in developing social contract theory, which is foundational to democratic legitimacy.
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Co-host/Producer
Well, how about this one? I haven't mentioned this one on the air because it's so freaking grim. But Tom Holland. And look for interviews with him on YouTube. And he is not a. A believer who's trying to go around converting you to, you know, believing in Jesus being the son of God, as opposed to the Christian morals that we all are living in, we're all swimming in whether we know it or not. He used the example of if you go around to archeological sites pre Christianity, you find lots of tiny bones in where there would be refuse or the sewers or whatever of those towns, because killing babies was just a thing forever on planet Earth. If you had a baby that was inconvenient or you didn't want a girl or whatever, murdering was just fine. And you don't find that in the town's post Christianity. When we began to value life. I mean, that is a stark comparison.
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Joe Getty
Right, right. The idea that empires should be not cruel in colonializing the world straight out of Christianity. The abolition of slavery has Christian roots almost entirely. In fact, they just reinstituted slavery in Afghanistan because slavery is absolutely acceptable in Islam. And so, yeah, there's a little contrast there for you. So anyway, I don't want to, you know, conduct a whole college class on this. Although you know what, Holland does make the point that, and as Jack hinted at, modern progressive movements are deeply Christian in structure. Care for the marginalized social justice hashtag MeToo. Anti racism. These are essentially Christian moral impulses operating without Christian theology. Anyway,
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Co-host/Producer
your point being that AOC saying Western values or Western culture or whatever she said with her finger quotes, right? What are you talking about?
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Joe Getty
As if it doesn't exist or that it's mostly a force for evil is so brutally, horrifically wrong. I just felt we ought to talk about it a little bit. And I just. I would like to enlist you, all of you, as defenders of Judeo Christian principles, no matter your religious beliefs, and defenders of Western values, because they underpin everything we hold dear. And the idea that we can just scoff at them or let them die and things will continue on as they are because they've always been this way and there's no other systems or there's no chance we return to the brutality of pre Christian life. Come on, it's right around the bend. Everybody from Jesus himself to Reagan would tell you that we're one generation away from it all falling apart. So do not ever apologize for Western values. Defend them every chance you get.
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Co-host/Producer
So the biggest breaking news of the day is the Supreme Court ruling that Trump cannot, under a 50 year old law, enact all these tariffs because of an emergency. That whole tariff thing, the whole Trump tariff thing is over.
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Joe Getty
The unknotting of it is going to be something to see. Nobody's quite sure how that's going to work, but, yeah, it's over.
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Co-host/Producer
The out of control Trump Supreme Court basically just a rubber stamp for whatever Trump wants shot down. His biggest philosophy that he's ever had in his life is this whole tariff thing and how we refer to Chuck
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Joe Getty
Schumer's speech and apology about how wrong he was.
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Co-host/Producer
I got Chuck Schumer's quote here for you. On Chuck Schumer said, actually, I guess
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Joe Getty
I don't have it.
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Co-host/Producer
I didn't capture it. But he, he said, finally, the Supreme Court shows that a wannabe king cannot dictate to the world, blah, blah, blah, sort of thing you'd expect him to say.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah, he is a weasel.
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Co-host/Producer
We're going to talk to a legal expert about this ruling coming up in just moments.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, an expert on the separation of powers from the Pacific Legal Foundation. Want to ask about the dissents. Some of our favorite justices dissented from the majority. Stay with us.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. The Supreme Court ruling that President Trump's use, these emergency tariffs that he has implemented are illegal. It's the most significant economic case to reach the high court in years. Sweeping implications for the economy and, of course, for presidential power. And at stake here are billions of dollars in revenue that have already been collected by the government.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah, one really interesting thing about this is it's a six three. And the dissenters on this. Justice Thomas, along with Kavanaugh and Alito, are usually the hardcore conservatives on the court. But all my favorite super hardcore limited powers conservative pundits out there agree with the decision. So I'm confused by this. Indeed.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. Who better to ask than Molly Nixon, an attorney with the Pacific Legal foundation who is very, very interested in the concept of limited power and separation of powers and that sort of thing. Interestingly, having served in all three branches of government at times. Molly, how are you? Welcome.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm good. Thanks for having me on.
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Joe Getty
Oh, it's our pleasure. So why don't we start where Jack was introducing you. Are you surprised at who joined the majority striking down the tariffs and who was dissenting and why?
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Jack Armstrong
You know, I think after the oral argument, it wasn't entirely clear where each justice was going to come down. And there are countervailing factors where you can kind of see how the dissents ended up where they were. And I'm just, I should say it's 170 pages that came out about an hour ago. And so I'm still skimming through them. But you do have. You have two dissents. And I think a lot of it is the different weight they give to history and precedents. So they're looking at. They're looking at different parts of history, they're looking at different statutory precedents and coming down the different sides, just weighing them differently. And I can go into it more, but. Yeah.
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Co-host/Producer
Well, are you surprised by the ruling?
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Jack Armstrong
I'm not. So I should say we have at plf, we represent clients in a very, very similar challenge also at the Court of International Trade to the same tariffs, the same emergency tariffs. And we've been thinking a lot about emergency power, really worried about how much power Congress has given away and really, really satisfied that the Court saw that, at least in this one instance, Congress did not give away the power to tax as an emergency power here. So really gratified by that and really not surprised at the outcome.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah, I was just reading David French. He's a New York Times columnist and Harvard Law sort of guy, and he said the through line on a lot of decisions recently is the Supreme Court jamming the presidency back into its constitutional box, putting together this tariff ruling along with telling Joe Biden, hey, you don't get to wipe out all the student loans. You know, things like that.
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Jack Armstrong
I think that's exactly right. Yeah. I mean, we've seen there's been a lot of commentary about the Supreme Court when it rules for the president, for the administration. And I think that's a lot of. Within the executive branch, the President has a lot of power. The Constitution vests a lot of power within the branch in the President. But Congress is the first article of the Constitution, and they really have all that legislative power. And of course, if you look back to founding era history, taxation was a big one that we cared a lot about, and we gave that explicitly to Congress. And so the Court's going to take a very careful look at claims that Congress delegated that power to the President. And here the words that the administration was relying on to claim this tariff power was the words regulate, importation. And they said regulate includes a power to tariffs. And that's really. That's the main difference between the. The majority in the dissent is do those words mean include taxes or not?
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Joe Getty
Boy, I got to admit, I can't wait to read the dissents. I feel like, you know, those justices going the way they did, I feel like my mom endorsed fist fighting in bars on Friday night. I just, I don't get it. You know, the separation of powers is such A sacred conservative principle. But anyway, am I correct that the decision really does not address the sure to be incredibly complex unknotting of all of this? Who gets their money back, what about the trade agreements, et cetera.
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Jack Armstrong
And I've been skimming through Twitter to see if the administration's saying anything because what it did was affirm the judgment below. And the judgment below had said, well, initially there was a trial court decision that enjoined the tariffs. So it said, stop, you can't do this. I think it gave the administration a 10 day deadline to stop. And then the appellate court said, we're not so sure about that. We think we agree that the tariffs are unlawful in this instance, but we're not sure exactly what the remedy needs to be. Whether, you know, whether you can stop the terrorists just for the plaintiffs in this case or for everyone, how there will be refunds. And so the Supreme Court just said, here is what our decision on the law is, and then they kick it back to the lower courts to further analyze and address what the right remedy is here.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah, that makes sense.
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Jack Armstrong
I haven't seen anything from the.
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Co-host/Producer
It's not their job to unknot this whole thing. I mean, slavery is bad. It's not, well, how is the cotton gonna get picked then? It just doesn't work that way.
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Joe Getty
On the other hand, little. I'm not an attorney, but I know many of them. Molly, a little inside attorney joke. This will launch roughly 7.9 billion billable hours over the next two years. Good Lord.
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Jack Armstrong
A lot of different ways this could go. You know, there's. The administration could, could probably make this very easy by seeing an administrative process for refunds. Say, I think they've done that before in the past for tariffs that were collected unlawfully. Congress could also step in and set up, you know, an organized process. But there' also the alternative of every single importer going to court, which is very messy. But that's also a possibility here too. And then it's still unclear whether the courts will decide that refunds are in order.
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Co-host/Producer
How about. Yeah, how about class action? Class action lawsuits? All of us have paid, you know, an extra 50 bucks for a microwave oven or whatever, wanting our money back.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I mean, I think there's going to be a lot of. There's already a lot of cases. We were, we were pretty early on this in court, but since then there have been a lot more filed by big importers looking to, to set. To set themselves up to receive refunds in expectation that the Supreme Court would hold the tariffs unlawful.
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Joe Getty
Well, interesting. Okay, so we'll plow through the decisions and perhaps appeal to you when all the dust is settled next week. We'd love to do that. Just out of curiosity, when you're not worried about tariffs, when it comes to separation of powers, what are you most passionate about these days?
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Jack Armstrong
So it's actually an alternative argument that was made in this case that we really focused on, and the court didn't have to reach. But. So we argued that Congress did not give away its power here, but we said if they did, if Congress, if the court had read this statute and said, yep, looks like Congress gave the President the power to tax here, we argued that would be unconstitutional because that's a legislative power. And if Congress gave away its power to tariff entirely here to the President, with no boundaries, no policy goals. You know, there are two sets of tariffs where one was to prevent or to limit drug importation, and the other one was. Was trade deficits and left it entirely to the executive branch of the head, what countries we wanted to impose tariffs and for how long and to what degree. You know, at 200%, 5%, that, that was. That was really a delegation of the legislative power, and we vested that in Congress. And they can ask the executive branch to exercise some discretion in helping them execute the law that Congress passes. But we said if this law authorizes tariffs, then Congress just abdicated responsibility, basically, then it would have just given the President its entire legislative power. And so Congress has done that in a lot of cases. And that's really my passion. And what got me interested in trade policy to begin with was the amount of trade law, the trade policy making that Congress has given to the executive branch. And you've heard the Trump administration say many times, even if the Supreme Court rules against us here, we have lots of other authorities. And they're right, they do. Congress has given away a lot of its power, and so we'll see how that sorts itself out. But, yeah,
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Co-host/Producer
my passion is origami, but, you know, we have different things. Yeah. Who's your all time favorite Supreme Court justice?
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Joe Getty
Lightning round.
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Jack Armstrong
I think there are several for several. For different reasons. I do like the Chief Justice's writing style. I think I really like Justice Barrett's approach. She has a very analytical approach to the law that I find very satisfying. And then there are Chief Justice Marshall, I think, you know, not our first Chief justice, but the one who really transformed how we do judicial review in this country and how the court operates. And I recently finished a biography of Chief Justice Marshall and still in love with him.
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Co-host/Producer
Okay, cool.
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Joe Getty
All right, my lightning round question. Do you think wealth taxes are constitutional, for instance, the one being considered by California?
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Jack Armstrong
Gosh, that's. That's. I'm sure I could come up with an opinion on that in. In a little bit, but I'm not fine on one right now. Have you a case about it?
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Co-host/Producer
Have you ever spent any time on origami? You start out with a piece of paper, next thing you know, you got
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Joe Getty
a little duck, you got a swan. It's amazing. Molly Nixon. Yeah, exactly. Molly Nixon is with the Pacific Legal Foundation. Absolutely love chatting with you, Molly. I hope we can do it again. And she's like, oh, feeling is non mutual.
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Co-host/Producer
I was trying to give her a flavor of the show because I was telling Hanson because he said she wasn't really ready to go on the descent thing. And I said, well, you got. Let her know. We're. We're the kind of we're not the. We're not like shows where you need to come off as an expert on everything all the time. You can say, I don't know. I haven't read it yet.
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Joe Getty
Is long as hell, and I'm skimming it as fast as I can. That's fine.
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Co-host/Producer
Perfectly okay.
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Joe Getty
Yeah.
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Co-host/Producer
I agree with her, though. Fancy restaurants where they do origami with the little takeout tinfoil.
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Joe Getty
That's so classy. Yeah, yeah. Yes. Katie, she. She just did exactly what AOC should
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Co-host/Producer
have done the other day. Yes, with that answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Joe Getty
I need to think about it.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah. Which is always okay or I don't know, is a perfect. I tell my kids this all the time because sometimes I feel like they got to come up with an answer, and it's pretty clear that they just made it up.
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Joe Getty
Yeah.
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Co-host/Producer
I don't know is all right here. In this circumstance, you can just say, I don't know.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. Maybe ChatGPT could keep that in mind as well. Yeah, really nice. Wow. I tell you what, The Pacific Legal foundation coming through with some great, great guests. Appreciate that, and well done. Love those people. A word from our friends at Simplisafe. Home security. The other another aspect of the law, criminal law. A lot of places are turning their criminals back onto the streets over and over again, and they rob your house and steal your stuff and maybe beat you over the head. You don't want that. You want simply safe instead.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah, I might do a figure out what's the best biography on Justice Marshall and read it. That'd be, that'd be a good thing to read. Maybe that'll be my next non fiction.
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Joe Getty
That would be a good one.
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Co-host/Producer
Might make me a little less dumb, which is what I'm going for.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. I don't want to depress anybody, but a lot of the influencers of the founding generation, be they Marshall or Washington or handful of others, they were all about principle. I mean they were some of the most principled men who have ever walked the earth. And I tell you what, you give away your principles to gain momentary advantage at your own peril and your soul's peril. Your soul.
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Co-host/Producer
Mike Pence is very happy with the ruling. Trump's former vice president said it's a victory for the American people and a win for the separation of powers enshrined in the Constitution. He's strongly against the dissenting opinion of Kavanaugh, Alito and Thomas says their defeat and contentious tariff decision is a victory. Now again, Joe will do this. I won't do it because I got, you know, I'm busy. We'll figure out what did. How did Justice Thomas twist his mind into thinking the President should be able to do this and fit it into conservatism?
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Joe Getty
Yeah. Thomas. Yeah, it's, it's Alito and Kavanaugh that bother me more. But I've got to read about it.
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Co-host/Producer
I know. Okay.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. Restraint of executive power, separation of powers. Fellas.
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Co-host/Producer
Well, we'll be at war with Iran here pretty quick, so all this will be forgotten. Among other things we need to talk about.
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Jack Armstrong
Stay here, Armstrong and get this is
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Co-host/Producer
the greatest comeback I have ever seen. The 20 year old from Oakland, Alyssa Lou. A script that would have been rejected as far fetched Alyssa Lou is the gold medalist at the Olympics. I just watched her four minute routine at the suggestion of someone. Man, she skated with joy. Joe. She was just happy and having a good time. The exact opposite of quad God, who felt all the pressure of the world on him and looked miserable. She was just like having a good time and the crowd is going wild and she's pumping her fists and spinning around and wins the gold medal.
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Joe Getty
So many great subplots to this. Number one, she was burned out and chewed up by figure skating and all the pressure and quit when she was 16. Then came back at 18 and said, all right, I love skating, I'm going to do it. But I call all the shots at age 18. I choose my coaches, I choose what I wear, the music, how I train. I'm doing it. And interestingly, she came back with her striped hair and piercings and stuff like that. That's extra interesting because I just read her fascinating piece about transgenderism and murderous transgenderism and all as a rejection of their prior self and a rejection of society. And we'll. Maybe we'll get into that in a podc. It's meaty. But she clearly said, I'm not that little girl anymore. I'm me. I'm a different person. And wanted to manifest that outwardly in the way a lot of young people do. Second subplot. This is the granddaddy of subplots. Both her dad and Eileen Gu, the traitorous commie loving skier, were approached by the Chinese as part of that same program to. Let's recruit some Chinese Americans who will opt for China so we can use them as propaganda tools saying our system is better. Eileen Goo's parent and her Shea said, great, give me that commie money. Eileen Alyssa Lou Rather. And her dad said, f off commie dogs. So we say, woo loo Boo Goo. I'm gonna get that tattoo today.
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Co-host/Producer
A Woo loo tattoo.
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Joe Getty
Wulu Boo Goo. Yeah, exactly. With pictures of them both and. But with Lou looking like an angel and Goo looking like an evil communist devil. I can't wait.
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Co-host/Producer
Wooloo Boo Goo tattoo you do you. I say, well said.
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Joe Getty
Second or third or fifth subplot. I've lost track. Her dad, who was a bit of a tiger dad and was definitely part of her, although he was a Tiananmen Square escapee survivor and said, f off to the commies. And good for him if the story is accurate, he's one of those Chinese fellas that has, I think, four kids all by surrogates. Yeah. Bred himself a Family, children to turn into champions. So that's interesting. But good for her. Good for her. She did it on her terms. She's having fun.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah.
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Joe Getty
And she kicked ass. How American is that?
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Co-host/Producer
No regerts.
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Joe Getty
I love that. Love that planet.
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Jack Armstrong
He.
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Co-host/Producer
I. I wish that would be contrasted more. I mean, the fact that she grew up in Oakland and googled up just across the water in San Francisco and they took such different paths in terms of embracing communism for cash or embracing your own country, which is the hope of the earth, is pretty good storyline.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, I would say completely. Not. Not just ignored by the utterly disgusting mainstream media, but in fact, they've gone the other direction. They've just given a Woo a goo. I'm sorry, I need to jot this down. Get that before your tattoo.
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Co-host/Producer
Get it straightened out.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, that's true. You'd hate to end up with a boo loo goo woo shot. It's a tattoo, rather. Anyway, they practically give goo a tongue bath when they do interviews with her. It's terrible.
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Co-host/Producer
Of course, I had the giant quad God tattoo across my entire back that I'm getting removed now.
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Joe Getty
And it is Ilya Malin and wearing
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Co-host/Producer
the gold medal since he fell, and I'm getting it removed and it's very painful, but I can't. I just can't have that at the beach.
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Joe Getty
I told you wait. You wouldn't listen. There's no need to wait.
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Co-host/Producer
He's gonna win the gold medal. Everybody knows that.
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Joe Getty
He can't lose.
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Co-host/Producer
So now I'm faced with being at the beach this summer with this ridiculous quad God gold medal tattoo.
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Joe Getty
And meanwhile, not only are we on the brink of war with Iran, we're blockading Cuba. They are, like, out of fuel and food. This is controversial, but it'd be great to get the commie devils out of a big old island right off our shore. We can't have malign communist regimes menacing us in our own backyard. I love it.
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Co-host/Producer
How about that?
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Joe Getty
How about that?
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Co-host/Producer
Could be a pretty newsy weekend that we will be following up on Monday. I don't know when we're actually going to war with Iran. Trump said give him 10 to 15 days. I like when he gives these vague deadlines. 10 to 15 days, then maybe hits
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Joe Getty
them two days later.
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Co-host/Producer
Yeah, yeah, Maybe if you missed the second. You get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on Demand.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.