The Best Weekend Talk Show in America Hour Two

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Best Weekend Talk Show in America Hour Two"

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – June 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty dissect a congressional hearing scrutinizing the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), examining its reputation, operations, and media influence. The duo also dives into the latest Gallup Morality Poll, exploring Americans' shifting attitudes on a spectrum of moral issues. The show concludes with a discussion on increasing parental controls in technology, especially concerning children's access to smartphones and online dangers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) Under Fire in Congress

• SPLC’s Credibility Challenged
  • Congressional hearing highlights allegations that SPLC mission has devolved from civil rights advocacy to what the hosts depict as political grifting and ideological targeting.
  • Hosts and guests critique SPLC’s alleged financial practices, including fundraising tactics and its classification of hate groups.
    • “They are a grift. They are a professional money raising industry and the way they raise money is by terrifying poor people into thinking white supremacy is sweeping across the land.” — Co-host (02:22)
• Selective Labeling of Hate Groups
  • Jack and Joe draw attention to how SPLC has been accused of labeling conservative or religious groups as hate groups while largely ignoring extremist elements on the political left and certain religious groups.
  • Questions raised about the lack of Islamic groups listed on SPLC’s "Hate Map," despite some documented anti-LGBTQ+ stances.
    • “You got 1500 groups on your these are hate groups list... but you got no Muslim affiliated groups of any kind really who are for the death penalty for being gay...” — Jack Armstrong (11:13)
• Congressional Hearing Highlights
  • Brandon Gill and others press SPLC representatives on:
    • Accusations of funding extremist groups like the KKK while fundraising on fighting hate (16:36)
    • The rationale for characterizing pro-life advocates as “white supremacists” (04:33–07:11, 16:11)
    • SPLC’s influence on federal investigative agencies and their internal criteria for recommending investigations (14:39–15:06)
• Memorable Quotes
  • “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket. Well, the SPLC is absolutely at that point.” — Co-host quoting Eric Hofer (03:09)
  • “They declared Turning Point USA a hate group. The next day, Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a madman who said the reason for his attack was to stop hate.” — Rep. Tom McClintock (18:19)
• Alveda King’s Testimony (07:11)
  • Dr. Alveda King, Martin Luther King Jr.'s niece, challenges SPLC's rhetoric:
    • “Pro lifers cannot be white supremacists. Pro lifers fight for every baby in the womb, regardless of skin color... the white supremacists are Planned Parenthood...” — Alveda King via interlocutor (07:26)
• Contentions Over Legacy and Legitimacy
  • Rep. Jasmine Crockett criticizes the use of Dr. King’s legacy in the hearing (08:17), prompting a defense from Alveda King focused on forgiveness and compassion.

2. Media Coverage & Public Perception

• Hosts lament mainstream media’s lack of coverage of the hearing, reinforcing concerns about SPLC’s ongoing influence:
  • “Turns out they're completely frauds and it got no attention anywhere. Unless you have a right wing algorithm on your Twitter or YouTube feed or you watched Fox. You didn't know this hearing happened at all yesterday.” — Jack Armstrong (11:54–12:40)
  • Concern that SPLC will “be quoted in the New York Times tomorrow decreeing who is the hate group and who's not.” (12:40)

3. Gallup Morality Poll Deep Dive

• American Morals at a “Record Low”
  • 50% of Americans polled believe the country’s morals are “poor,” a historical high (24:02)
• Religion and Morality
  • Discussion of whether a moral society can exist without religious or cultural underpinning. Reference to Tom Holland’s "Dominion" and European cultural homogeneity (24:35)
    • “It's yet to be proven on planet Earth that you can have a moral society without those same things [religion/church].” — Jack Armstrong (24:35)
• Changing Views on Moral Issues
  • Polygamy: Approval has tripled since 2003 (from 7% to 23%) (26:13)
    • Hosts speculate reasons for this shift, including cultural and religious diversity.
  • LGBTQ+ Issues: Support for the TQ+ (especially transgender) issues has notably declined, while support for gay marriage remains relatively high (27:17, 35:33).
    • “Moral acceptability of changing one's gender hits a new record low...” — Jack Armstrong (32:20)
    • Transgender issues increasingly seen as “morally wrong” (33:41)
  • Other Issues:
    • Euthanasia: Majority support, but with caveats about troubling developments seen abroad (27:17)
    • Pornography: Seen as morally wrong by 64%
    • Suicide: 70% believe it’s morally wrong
    • Cloning: 86% see human cloning as morally wrong (29:18)
    • Extramarital Affairs: The least morally acceptable at only 7% approval (29:21)
    • Birth Control: The most morally acceptable (83%), followed by divorce and premarital sex (30:48)
    • Notable Quote: “Divorce is the second most morally acceptable. 74%. But I'm not going to say another word about it because I'll make a lot of enemies.” — Jack Armstrong (29:39)
  • Cultural Shifts in LGBTQ+ Acceptance
    • The biggest drop is in trans issues, not gay or lesbian relationships.
    • “If you demand that I group transgender activism at middle schools with gay and lesbian and you tell me I've got to accept the whole thing or reject the whole thing... That's a big ask.” — Co-host (35:33–35:45)

4. Parental Controls & Technology: The New Frontier

• Apple’s New Controls
  • Apple introduces expanded parental control features at their Worldwide Developers Conference:
    • Limits on adult sites, app use, messages, and contacts for kids under 13 (37:30–39:16)
    • Hosts express skepticism about technological effectiveness; kids often outsmart digital safeguards.
      • “They walk around with the worst neighborhood on planet Earth in their hand.” — Jack Armstrong (37:44)
    • Conversation and parental guidance emphasized over technological solutions (40:46)
      • “There's not like a really like silver bullet here that's going to like magically fix this problem for everyone. I think it's going to have to be a kind of discussion that parents have with their kids.” — Thorin Klosowski, privacy expert (40:46)
  • Hosts highlight the overwhelming challenge for parents and joke about their only hope being that their continual warnings “sink in” (42:22).
    • “I'm to the point now where if we could sign an agreement that all you do is look at porn and nothing else, I'm in.” — Jack Armstrong (43:26)

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Notable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On SPLC:

  • “They are a grift... terrifying poor people into thinking white supremacy is sweeping across the land.” — Co-host (02:22)
  • “Every great cause... degenerates into a racket. Well, the SPLC is absolutely at that point.” — Co-host quoting Eric Hofer (03:09)
  • “Pro lifers cannot be white supremacists... the white supremacists are Planned Parenthood...” — Alveda King (07:26)
  • “Turns out they're completely frauds and it got no attention anywhere. Unless you have a right wing algorithm ... you didn't know this hearing happened at all yesterday.” — Jack Armstrong (11:54)

• On Morality Poll:

  • “50%...believe our morals as a country are poor.” — Jack Armstrong (24:02)
  • “Polygamy has tripled in approval since 2003, from 7% to 23%.” — Jack Armstrong (26:13)
  • “Moral acceptability of changing one's gender hits a new record low.” — Jack Armstrong (32:20)
  • "If you demand that I group transgender activism at middle schools with gay and lesbian and you tell me I've got to accept the whole thing or reject the whole thing... That's a big ask." — Co-host (35:33)

• On Technology and Parenting:

  • “They walk around with the worst neighborhood on planet Earth in their hand.” — Jack Armstrong (37:44)
  • “There's not like a really like silver bullet here... it's going to have to be a kind of discussion that parents have with their kids.” — Thorin Klosowski (40:46)
  • “I'm to the point now where if we could sign an agreement that all you do is look at porn and nothing else, I'm in.” — Jack Armstrong (43:26)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• SPLC Hearing Comments, Criticisms & Audio — [02:03] to [15:27]
• Interview with Rep. Tom McClintock — [15:06] to [22:07]
• Gallup Morality Poll Deep Dive — [23:49] to [35:48]
• Apple Parental Controls/Tech Parenting — [37:30] to [43:43]

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a robust critique of the SPLC and dives into the implications of public morality trends in America. Armstrong & Getty provide sharp, sometimes irreverent commentary on both hot-button culture war topics and the struggle to parent in the digital age, weaving in news, humor, and listener empathy. The episode offers a comprehensive, skeptical look at both the institutions shaping national narratives and the private challenges facing American families.

Transcript

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[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Wow, did we come across some interesting stuff to talk about what Americans consider moral and immoral these days. Plus the Southern Poverty Law Center. What a bunch of grifters they are. They finally got theirs in front of Congress.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Did the Southern Pirate lawsuit use donor money to recruit new individuals into those extremist groups?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

I assume you don't want me to answer since you're not giving me time to answer.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

No, I'm giving you time to answer because that's a yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or did you use your donor's money for that purpose?

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Yes or no?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

We have asserted that the allegations are false.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That's part of the SPLC hearing yesterday in front of Congress. The Southern Poverty Law center, which is neither Southern, doesn't address poverty, regularly, flouts the law. They may have a center other than that, it's all fictional. They are a grift. They are a professional money raising industry and the way they raise money is by terrifying poor people into thinking white supremacy is sweeping across the land.

[Jack Armstrong]

And even without the taking money to support various groups. Even without that, just the the way they cherry picked anything that was slightly Conservative and called it a hate group and then ignored anything on the left. And then your evening newscast would report the Southern Poverty Law center now says right wing extremism is the number one threat to America.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Right, right. Well, their ridiculousness was exposed. The quote I was looking for from Eric Hofer, every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business and eventually degenerates into a racket. Well, the SPLC is absolutely. At that point. We're going to play you some highlights. Brandon Gill was just great here. He's talking about an obvious oysterman politician who's getting a lot of attention.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

Do you think that this should disqualify him politically from serving in the Senate?

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Having a Nazi tattoo?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

Again, I'm not sure where the line of questions is going. The splc, if you're asking me. I'm sorry.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

If you're asking me if the SPLC opposes Nazis and Nazi symbols, the answer is yes. Yep.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

The SPLC is referred to this same tattoo as a racist skinhead symbol and tattoo. You can see the resemblance there. You wouldn't want somebody with a tattoo like that in the Senate.

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

No, no.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was just to embarrass him on the news of the day, which was platner winning by 50 points.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Jack, you mentioned this off the air and I agree completely. One of Brandon Gill's strengths is his completely non grandstandy tone of voice. He's just business. He's just doing business. This is business. I love this part.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

Your organization said that restricting and banning abortion is a tool that the far right uses to maintain white supremacy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good God.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

Do you believe that pro lifers are white supremacists?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

I believe that reproductive liberty is.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

No. Do you believe that pro lifers are white supremacists?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

I will tell you what I believe. If you're asking yes or no, I can't answer that question. Yes or no.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

I don't think that pro lifers are white supremacists. Do you?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

What I think is that reproductive liberty is a right that every woman should enjoy.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

How many babies in the United States that are aborted or black? About 40% of abortions nationwide are of black babies. Blacks represent about 13% of the population. Does that sound like something a white supremacist would oppose?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

What I would say again is that SPLC supports reproductive.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

Calling somebody a white supremacist is a pretty serious charge, isn't it?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

I would.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

I mean, I would think you would be able to defend that if your organization says that. You clearly seem unable to, Mr. Gill.

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

I'm not sure why you would think I'm able to do anything.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

You're the president of the splc, which labels pro lifers as racists. Well, does your organization just hurl around epithets like that without any justification?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

Mr. Gill, what we do is.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

I'm giving you the opportunity to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mr. Chairman, what's he referring to? And can he let the witness answer the question? This is outrageous. No, it's not him to speak.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

I know you don't like.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are you referring to?

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

I know you don't like my question.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Sometimes claim my time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sometimes it is outrageous when you throw on questions and you don't give people a chance to answer. That guy had multiple chances to try to explain why the Southern Poverty Law center says being pro life is a white supremacist position because you want to continue white supremacy. Then he points out. Gil points out that. Well, that doesn't really make any sense since disproportionately black support babies way more than white people. So what?

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

So here's where things got a little jazzier. Alveda was on hand. She was. She is the niece of Martin Luther King Jr. Which I'm against. Legacies that doesn't grant her any particular moral weight. Although I found her to be persuasive and smart and wise. And here she is engaged in an exchange on the same topic.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Time belongs to the gentleman from Texas. It's now expired. But he will be able to ask his last question, and we'll give the witness a chance to respond.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

All right, I'll give my last question to Dr. King. Dr. King, are pro lifers white supremacists?

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Pro lifers cannot be white supremacists. Pro lifers believe in life from the womb to the tomb and beyond. Pro lifers fight for every baby in the womb, regardless of skin color. We have been aborted as blacks in America disproportionately. And so the white supremacists are Planned Parenthood, who admitted that they do have racist underpinning with an agenda to reduce the black population by abortion.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

That's right. Thank you, Dr. King.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Thank you. Yeah. Planned Parenthood, which was founded by a eugenics enthusiast worth mentioning. And then things got really spicy when soon to be heaved out on her ear, jackass race baiter Jasmine Crockett decided taking a shot in Ms. King was the right thing to do.

[Jasmine Crockett]

The vast majority of the people on that side of the aisle, and for those of you that are at home, let me tell you, when I say that side of the aisle, I'm talking about the Republicans, the ones that brought this hearing. And again, you've heard that this is not the first hearing, but the vast majority of them are white men. White men are lecturing people of color because the vast majority, actually any semblance of diversity comes from this side of the aisle. You want to tell people of color who is fighting for who. People of color do not feel comfortable or welcomed within your party. That's why you have to parade someone who has the name Dr. King attached to them so that people can be confused. Because I have been reading the comments online and people are like, who is this Dr. King? Because you want them to believe that somehow she espouses who Dr. King was. Yet you've yet to have MLK III come in here. You've yet to have Dr. Bernice King, the ones that were actually raised by Dr. King, the ones that actually probably understand the teachings of Dr. King. And I just want to be clear, because I want to talk to y' all about what the Dr. King had to say about racism so that y' all don't get it twisted and don't get it confused just because you see the name sitting in this room.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Boy, she's really good at that whole testifying, using a bunch of words real fast, but never actually making an argument, just citing who's legitimate and who's not. Make an argument, not an ad hominem attack. And Ms. King responded with love and compassion, saying, you seem to suggest I'm some sort of bastard to the King family. But don't worry, I love you, I forgive you. Which is nice. I want to squeeze in one more clip in the time that we have. Chip Roy brought it. He was asking about Charlie Kirk and whether the SPLC regrets listing him as a hate monger just before he's murdered for being a hate monger. But I want to go with 58 here. He's talking about, well, radical Islam. How many extremist Islamic groups do you have of the 1500 or so organizations you have on your hate map?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

Again, anyone could can go to our website.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

My office has been looking over and can't really find one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

Again, it is the SPLCs.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

You think SPLC can provide us a list of the. It is the Islamic oriented groups that you have on your hate Hate map, Mr. Roy.

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

We don't target any group because of its religion.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Really?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

I want to be clear about that.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Really?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

Yes, that's exactly right. We target no group because of its religion. We target groups because they express statements and engage in activities that demean and vilify.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

You brought up LGBTQ groups. So you brought up LGBT groups a minute ago. So you think there's a bunch of Islamic groups that are pro lgbtq? Is that the position of the splc? I just want to make sure the record is reflecting that.

[Jack Armstrong]

People actually laughed at that. That was a good shot.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unbelievable. You got 1500 groups on your these are hate groups list. And, and anybody who, who isn't up with trans gets listed as a hate group. And you got including just moms who

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

don't want boys playing in their girls sports, Moms for Liberty.

[Jack Armstrong]

That makes you a hate group. But you got no Muslim affiliated groups of any kind really who are for

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

the death penalty for being gay or participating in gay sex. It is a money raising racket. The else SPLC utterly abandoned any moral underpinning decades ago. They're a joke.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, Tom McClintock was part of the hearing yesterday. Representative from California. We're going to talk to him coming up in just a little bit. But the part that really bothers me about this the most is here's this organization, Southern Poverty Law center, who I've heard quoted my entire adult life like they were the, like the Nobel Prize. It was like the definitive are you a hate group or are you a hate person? Or whatever. I mean, they called the balls and strikes on this sort of thing and got reported in the mainstream news all the time. Turns out they're completely frauds and it got no attention anywhere. Unless you have a right wing algorithm on your Twitter or YouTube feed or you watched Fox. You didn't know this hearing happened at all yesterday.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

The SPLC will be quoted in the New York Times tomorrow decreeing who is the hate group and who's not.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, that's pretty disappointing to me. So these mainstream news outlets that have been quoting him forever didn't cover this hearing. What's, what's your, what's your pushback on some of the stuff that we've played here? Do you have any. I'd like to hear it.

[Joe Getty]

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[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Did SPLC suggest political groups like Turning Point USA, traditional Catholic groups, Family Research Council for investigation by the Department of justice?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

Congressman McLindock, again, as I said, we identify groups based on the statements that they make, the activities that they engage in. Those are the criteria that we use.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Do it suggests that these groups be investigated by the Department of Justice?

[Brian Fair (SPLC Representative)]

Not to my knowledge.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That is sent Congressman Tom McClintock talking to Brian Fair of the thoroughly discredited SPLC. Yesterday, during that same hearing, we were playing you highlights of moments ago. Congressman Tom McClintock represents the 5th district of California. Not long ago, Citizens Against Government Waste named him one of only two perfect votes in the House fighting wasteful government spending. Tom McClintock joins us now. Congressman, how are you, sir?

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

I'm doing fine, thanks.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Boy, was that hearing overdue. I imagine you found it pretty satisfying.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Yes, it's like, you know, turning over rocks and finding out what's crawling under them. In this case, obviously the Department of Justice has a an indictment against them. I guess it'll go to trial in October. They're charged with wire fraud, bank fraud, false statements, conspiracy to commit money laundering. But, you know, our focus is on the implications to the government, their collusion with the Biden administration, and the violence that they have not only financed but also instigated.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, man, there's so much about this I've Hated that group for so long because they get quoted in the mainstream news all the time. Like they are the sole arbiter of what's a hate group or a hate crime or whatever. And, you know, like, CBS Evening News or whatever would act like. Well, the Southern Poverty Law center said

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

it, so it must be true.

[Jack Armstrong]

We find out yesterday it's not even close to accurate. Yeah.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

What is their business model, Tom? How does that work?

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Oh, it's pretty simple. According to the indictment, they funneled $4 million to various extremist groups like the KKK. At the same time, they're raising money, assuring donors that they're on front lines fighting the same groups. You remember The Charlottesville riots, L.A. woman was killed. The indictment documents that the SPLC had paid one of the organizers of that Unite the right rally $270,000 while he was recruiting agitators and posting inflammatory rhetoric. And after the riots, their fundraising more than doubled. So obviously it was a good financial investment.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, clearly. And that riot, according to Joe Biden, was what gave him the impetus to run for president when he saw that hate, which turns out some of it was funded by the SPLC and by

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

the way, misquoted Trump, who very clearly condemned the Nazis that were there that day. But you know what's not comical about this is the fact they regularly advise the Justice Department under the Biden administration. You might remember the famous FBI memo listing traditional Catholic organizations and extremist groups. Well, that was the splc.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, and moms who just don't want boys beating up their girls on the field of play. And girls sports are listed as hate groups. It's obscene. The long and short of it, as you know, Tom, is that they raise tremendous amounts of money based on convincing people that there's white supremacy lurking behind every tree. So they have to create it if it doesn't exist. By mislabeling groups and slandering them as disgusting.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Oh, not only that, but financing the very extremist groups they tell people they're fighting. This is what's so bizarre about this. I mean, obviously, there's enormous harm involved. You know, they declared tp. One of the things they do is they'll name obvious extremist groups like the kkk, which now it turns out that they were financing, but they. Not antifa, they say doesn't exist. Or Jane's Revenge is responsible for attacks on pro life groups. Well, they take these obvious extremist groups like KKK and then mix in mainstream conservative groups. They don't like to taint them with the same brush. Now they declared Turning Point USA a hate group. The next day, Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a madman who said the reason for his attack was to stop hate. They declared the Family Research Council a hate group and that directly motivated a gunman to shoot up their offices. A few years ago, you mentioned Althea King was there at the hearing. Martin Luther King's niece. She was singled up by the SPLC as an extremist because she doesn't happen to believe that children should have gender reassignment surgery.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, I loved your colleague Chip Roy making the point that. So you've got moms who don't want boys beating up their girls in women girls sports as. But radical Islamic groups that would execute transgender people or gay people are not listed. It's just. It's a joke.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Yeah, well, I. And I think that the country's now been let in on the joke. And hopefully this group will no longer be able to corrupt public square the way it has, or for that matter, target legitimate groups that are simply participating in the political process.

[Jack Armstrong]

You mentioned the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I don't think we've had a chance to talk to you about this. In general, how concerned are you about a return of the kind of political violence we saw in the 60s and early 70s?

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Why? Obviously, we're watching it unfold. Not the first time in the country that we've gone through this kind of turmoil. But it is obviously being banned by extreme rhetoric that needs to be toned down.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Congressman Tom McClintock is on the line. Represents the 5th district of California. You know, you've served on the House Natural Resources Committee for a long time, and you're part of the subcommittee on federal lands and water and power and that sort of thing. How important is America's energy independence right now? I don't think it can be overstated.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Of course you can't. And we are energy independent. Fortunately, in my state of California, we used to be energy independent. We used to produce more oil than we consumed. We had 41 refineries operating in the state. But left wing administration of Gavin Newsom has waged war against fossil fuels these eight years. We're now down to seven refineries. Five of them have notified the state they can no longer do business under the regulations and taxes that have been imposed on on them. And we're importing 60% of the fuel consumed in California. Now. Our fuel prices are typically running $2 a gallon ahead of the rest of the nation. And that's probably going to get worse. Once Iran is behind us and the national fuel prices drop back down to two and a half to three and a half dollars a gallon. California could be at six to eight dollars a gallon. So yeah, energy independence is really important. We used to have it my state. We lost it and we're paying the price.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

At the Congressman Tom McClintock of the 5th district of California. Tom, great to talk to you. Keep fighting the good fight.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Thanks guys. Great hit baby.

[Joe Getty]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

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[Jack Armstrong]

The Gallup Morality Poll is out. We could spend this hour or the rest of the show or the rest of the week or probably even the rest of the year discussing this if we wanted to.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Let's get started.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's so deep and interesting on so many different things. Starting with and I think this headline came out earlier this week before the details came out a record 50%. Now half of the country believes our morals as a country are poor. We do not think we have very good morals As a country that alone you had something in mailbag one of your quotes or something like that. And I almost interjected, you know, a lot of the atheist, libertarian, however you want to identify them, crowd, you know, really hates the idea of religion and church being involved in any way, but it's yet to be proven on planet Earth that you can have a moral society without those same things. I know a lot of my atheist friends believe you can, but that's not been proven that you can.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Can I agree and simultaneously disagree with you? Of course, the closest I've seen is your. Your. Your Northern European places like your. Your Denmarks or your Sweden, because they had one culture. Everybody knew each other. They're all of the same race. They all had the same assumptions about life and morality, and they could police each other. It was a cohesive social unit that worked pretty well. But that's like the only time it can conceivably work.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I believe everybody has the same precepts.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think. I think Tom Holland, the historian in his book Dominion, would argue they're still swimming in the sea of Christianity, even all these years later.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Absolutely true.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep. Anywho, I'll just hit you with the most morally acceptable and the most morally wrong, according to this. I disagree with one of them a lot, and I'm not going to talk about it because it would make way too many enemies. Most morally wrong.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Now I'm running a ring of middle school drug dealers financed by the dog fights I stage. So I am curious to know what's considered immoral and immoral.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm trying to figure out what order to do this all in, because it's also damned interesting. The biggest change that has happened, of all of them, the biggest change is polygamy has tripled in approval since 2003, from 7% to 23%. It's still. Still. I don't know if I have a moral opinion on polygamy. If that's what you want to do, whatever. I don't have a moral opinion on that. It just seems so unworkable as a lifestyle.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

But I guarantee at least a significant chunk of that change is Muslim folks and folks who don't feel like they have any right to judge Muslim folks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. You're probably right. But part of it. I'll just hit you with a couple of the headlines from the poll. US support for LGBTQ plus issues remains down from its peak, particularly the trans stuff. In fact, only the trans stuff has gone down. Gay marriage, still very popular. Lesbian couples, all this different sort of stuff they ask about, but. But the trans stuff is down a lot, so we can get to that later if you want.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, I've dug deep into that and there actually is an overall decline on gay stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Most Americans favor legal euthanasia. Just over 7 in 10Americans believe doctors should be allowed by law to then the patient's life by some painless means if the patient and his or her family request it. I used to be a strong yes on that, having watched it unfold in a couple of different countries. I am now a no, including Canada,

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

which is just horrific.

[Jack Armstrong]

It gets out of hand really quick. And we could get into that topic if you want, because it's really interesting and complicated. Adultery and cloning still seen as the most immoral behaviors.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Is that one set of two different things? Oh, I see.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Okay.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Adulterous cloning.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cloning someone that you want to have sex with outside your marriage.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Love her, died, but I got some of her DNA, so I'm going to clone her so I can keep cheating on my wife.

[Jack Armstrong]

Most morally wrong. Counting up from fifth worst to worst. Pornography at 64%. That's. That one's kind of interesting to me because Chris Rock, who. His marriage broke up and he mentioned he was a porn addict or something like that. Anyway, during one of his standup specials after that, he gets up there and he says, I want to talk about pornography or something like that. And everybody booze. And he says, oh, yeah, $5 billion a year business, and I'm the only guy. And I thought that's a pretty good point. I mean, it's a huge business, but we're also really down on it or don't think other people should do it or I don't know what's going on there.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Any.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who. Pornography, 4% of people think is morally wrong. Suicide, 70%. Not very popular. Polygamy, 77%. Although gaining in popularity. Human. Qualify human.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Michael, was that a subtle shot at our Mormon friends?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fair on so many levels. Wow.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That was a low moment for the show.

[Jack Armstrong]

People think human cloning is morally wrong. I'm glad. 86% of us. And the least acceptable thing on this entire list of 20 behaviors. Extramarital Affairs. Only 7% say morally acceptable.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Huh?

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Obviously they left horrific crimes off of this list. These included things that people generally do outside of horrific crimes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. That. Yeah. That regular people that you're friends with or who would vote for or whatever do. I think would be a good way to put the list. I think that's interesting that that is the least morally acceptable thing on the list given the fact that we seem to have decided for our politics that we. That that's none of our business, I guess. I don't know if that's where we are. We didn't used to be there. Most morally acceptable. Number one. Birth control at 83%. I disagree with the divorce is the second most morally acceptable. 74%. But I'm not going to say another word about it because I'll make a lot of enemies. But unmarried sex, 65%. So that's interesting that it's still that many people. What's the actual other number on that? The approve there. I'll tell you this. We often make fun of people who have no opinion. Very low. No opinions on any of these. It's almost all. You either find it morally acceptable or morally wrong.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

So 64% of people find non marital or premarital sex acceptable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sex between unmarried man and woman. 65% find it. Find it. It acceptable. 31% unacceptable. Still hanging on to you shouldn't get have sex until you get married. And with the declining marriage rates and all that sort of stuff, that's. That's pretty surprising to me.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, I would agree.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sure if you separated this out by age. I'm not sure actually. I don't know because young people don't have sex anymore. So maybe I'm wrong about that.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah. Our generation, the adults of the world were doing everything they could to keep us separated.

[Congressman or Hearing Questioner]

It.

[Jack Armstrong]

Only 19% of people think divorce is morally wrong. That's a tough. Yes. No question. Because you have such varied situations.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Sure. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you're. I'll just say this as a caveat. If your husband's beating you, yes.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

You should be able to get a divorce.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's perfectly morally acceptable. If your excuse is I fell out of love and I'm just not happy right now, then no, I don't find that morally acceptable. Hate me if you want.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Hugh. Oh, they already do. Huge range of possible situations there. Very difficult.

[Jack Armstrong]

Any opinion on birth control being the most morally acceptable of them all?

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I mean even among Catholics, there are a lot of people who say yeah, come on now.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That's. What do you call a woman using the rhythm. Rhythm method.

[Congressman Tom McClintock]

Mom.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So let's get to the whole transgender thing, which has had quite a bit of movement in the last few years. Moral acceptability of changing one's gender hits a new record low. I find that an interesting question.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

A moral.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whether you Find it morally acceptable to do something that's impossible. That's why I get hung up on the question.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Right, right. That's. It's, you know, I understand the nature of this poll and why they ask the same question about all these matters, but, you know, you're example of divorce is a good one. And I read a lot about the gay thing and the trans thing and all in this poll, and I came away thinking what you're hinting at that it's the wrong question. My question would be, to what extent do you think transgenderism is a healthy expression of psychological reality or an expression of a troubled soul desperate for an answer?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Choosing the wrong one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. That's funny when, if I, if I think about somebody who's decided to do this, morality doesn't really factor into my mind. Or it hasn't. Not per se, more like. To what extent do you think you actually now are a different gender?

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Now, if you asked me about promoting it to children, you know my answer

[Jack Armstrong]

on the morality of that, that is a different question.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Jails full of you people.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was only upside down by five points in 2021, minus five in terms of acceptable or morally wrong. It was still mostly morally wrong, but only minus five. It is now minus 19. That's a pretty big move in five years.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

All right, let me hit some of those real quick and then let's come back with more of the questions because you're right, this is absolutely fascinating. There's been a significant slide in LGBTQ issues in terms of their morality, and the reason why is obvious to anybody who observes this sort of thing. LGB was fin. It's the TQ plus stuff that are making people say, look, I let the camel's nose come under the tent because, you know, these are nice people and I got no right to blah, blah, blah. But now you're trying to follow that up with all sorts of stuff, all sorts of crazy stuff, and you're teaching it to children. No. Hard, no. So anyway, majority of Americans still support same illegal same sex marriage. It's 65%. That figures dropped 6 percentage points from the peak in 2022 and 2023. Meanwhile, more moral acceptance of gay and lesbian relationships has dipped to 62. Gender transition. You mentioned those numbers. 38% of Americans believe changing one's gender is morally acceptable. Again, an odd way to look at it. Down 8 points since 2021, while a 57% majority view it as morally wrong. The cultural shift is largely driven by Republicans, but also to a lesser extent, but significantly independents. Anyway, it's. Well, it's what I said. If you're going to group all of it together, if you demand, and I have plenty of, you know, gay and lesbian friends, acquaintances and listeners who say this themselves all the time. If you demand that I grew up transgender activism at middle schools with gay and lesbian and you tell me I've got to accept the whole thing or reject the whole thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a big ask. Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[News Reporter or Technology Expert (reporting on Apple)]

rolling out a major software update with new parental controls.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

We're giving parents powerful, easy to use tools to help manage what kids can see, who they can talk to and when they have access.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy. Man, if you got kids and they got smartphones, especially if they're teenagers, you only think about this every day because they walk around with the worst neighborhood on planet Earth in their hand. In a way that was never possible

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

before and are remarkably clever at getting around any fences that are put up.

[Jack Armstrong]

When I was in high school living in Gladys, living in small town western Kansas, I mean there were, there, there were people around that did bad things and I'm sure there were people down around that did like pretty, pretty bad things. But my dad had a pretty good idea of who I was going to be in communication with on a daily basis. Yeah. And it would have been hard for me to run into a lot of those people as a 15 year old. Whereas now my 16 year old could be talking to a guy who will sell him a machine gun and heroin

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

today easily or groom them for God knows what.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Well the scumbags and perverts have gotten systematic with it. They know how to troll, how to, you know, sort through many, many young people online and find would be victims in a way that it was impossible in like personal interchange for all of human history.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's go on with this report from CBS News about Apple's new software at

[News Reporter or Technology Expert (reporting on Apple)]

its Worldwide Developers Conference. Apple said it's expanding child accounts required for kids under 13, limiting adult websites and setting age specific restrictions in the App Store. Apple says parents will be able to decide who kids can talk to in iMessage and FaceTime, limit how much time can be helpful spent in specific apps and extend or pause device use entirely.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the one that I do because that's the one where I'm pretty sure I know they shut off completely at a certain time and I'm pretty positive at that point I got control of you. But any of the other hours where you're on your phone, I don't know if any of that other stuff is work. I'm practically to the point of why do I even try? Based on things I've learned in the like last six months from my son and other parents of there's just so many ways around all these things and whichever one you find out about, there's probably a hundred more.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Right. Whether it's proxy websites or VPNs or whatever, they can mask who they are, the kids.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Here's a little more from that report.

[News Reporter or Technology Expert (reporting on Apple)]

This comes as new research out today suggests that by age 13, teens may be more emotionally ready to receive their first smartphone without it automatically harming their mental health.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I think it's a step in the right direction.

[News Reporter or Technology Expert (reporting on Apple)]

Thorin Klosowski is a privacy expert at the non profit Electronic Frontier Foundation. Kids are known to get around parental controls. Are these foolproof?

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

No, they Never are. And that's kind of why the conversation is really an important part here. Parents need to know that these tools exist. They need to know how to use them and they need to know the kind of barriers that exist around them. There's not like a really like silver bullet here that's going to like magically fix this problem for everyone. I think it's going to have to be a kind of discussion that parents have with their kids, with the device makers ensuring that this like fosters a place where kids can still be kids.

[Jack Armstrong]

At 13, you're emotionally ready for a smartphone. You're not emotionally ready for a smartphone when you're 50 for the way it alters your life. Why do they do these studies? Ask anybody who uses a phone.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Studies have found they're a distraction in the classroom. Studies have found why are anybody, why is anybody spending any money doing these studies? We all know this, Michael.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

More importantly, that expert's name was Thorin. If my name was Thorin, do you think I could get away with going as Thor, asking people to call me Thor? Yeah, that'd be good because that's what I would do. That's my plan. Do you want to carry a hammer?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, I was gonna say. Do you want every single person to constantly say where's your hammer? And deal with that the rest of your life? I don't.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Well, you're right. The downside, I hadn't thought about being named Thor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Glad I brought it up. Okay, one more clip from this report.

[News Reporter or Technology Expert (reporting on Apple)]

The new parental controls will roll out in September. This as Apple also unveils Siri AI, a long awaited update to that conversational back and forth with a personal assistant that they have there. And after all of these announcements, just Hours later, rival OpenAI declaring it plans to take that company public.

[Jack Armstrong]

And of course you could go on chat GPT and say, how do I get around the new Apple parental controls as a 13 year old? And it will tell you and then you'll do it. I mean, I'm, I don't want to. I'm glad Apple's trying. I'm all for trying, but I do feel like I just have to accept and hope by constantly telling my kids, you know, don't buy drugs from strangers and don't do this, don't do that, that it sinks in because I don't have any belief I can stop them from being in contact with this stuff.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, yeah, I didn't have to deal with this as a parent of kids. So it's, it's tough for me to even talk about it. But to your point, you you work constantly to install and instill the principles that will help them avoid the worst harms. Because the specific like, you know, ability to look at porn or ugly porn or really too much porn at all is bad. But it's it's just so difficult to limit that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm to the point now where if we could sign an agreement that all you do is look at porn and nothing else, I'm in. Go ahead. It's gonna be bad for your life and you'll never be able to get an erection. But that's better than a lot of the other stuff that's out there that you could get into.

[Co-host/Commentator (likely Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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