A&G Replay Monday Hour Three

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – A&G Replay Monday Hour Three

iHeartPodcasts | Nov 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

This replay episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand features a strong discussion about the evolving nature of human capability over the lifespan, social trends in American society, gender dynamics shaping institutions, and a sharp critique of the state of public education leadership. With their characteristic mix of wit, skepticism, and insightful banter, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, and Katie unpack recent research, social commentary, and current culture war controversies.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. When Do We Hit Our ‘Functional Peak’? (04:28–16:48)

• Study Findings: A comprehensive university study says the “functional peak”—when you're at your most capable across 16 life dimensions—occurs in your late 50s or early 60s, not mid-20s as commonly believed.
  • Physical strength and speed drop after 25, but other key capabilities surge much later.
• Cognitive & Emotional Development:
  • Fluid intelligence (quick thinking, problem solving) peaks at 20–25, then declines.
    • Katie: “Fluid intelligence... peaks around 25... and declines after that.” (06:37)
  • Crystallized intelligence (accumulated knowledge and vocabulary) keeps climbing into the 60s.
  • Financial literacy and moral reasoning also peak much later.
  • Emotional intelligence and the ability to avoid the sunk cost fallacy (cutting losses) are much stronger after 60 than at 30.
    • Joe: “Older adults are about twice as likely as younger adults to avoid the sunk cost fallacy...” (09:42)
  • Personality matures—conscientiousness and emotional stability both increase well into your 60s.
• Life Experience & Wisdom:
  • Accumulated experience improves your ability to deal with adversity, stay calm, and focus, akin to a seasoned athlete in their third Super Bowl.
    • Joe: “By the time you’re playing in your third super bowl, you’re focused on the game... you can’t be the first time.” (12:51)
  • Emotional stability might partially result from “lower testosterone,” Jack jokes; Katie fires back claiming credit for maturity.

Notable Quotes

• Katie (on wisdom): “You can call it wisdom if you wanted to. Financial literacy, for some reason, improves into your late 60s, early 70s.” (07:44)
• Joe: “Twice as likely at like 60 as you would be at 30... as opposed to, ‘well, we’ve come this far, we better keep spending more money.’” (09:42)

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2. Society, Aging, and Who’s In Charge? (11:00–16:48)

• Older Leadership in Politics:
  • The crew notes political leaders (Trump, Biden) are often much older than the average “functioning peak,” raising questions about cognitive fitness and finance acumen in upper age brackets.
  • Katie: “Why do we have 80 year olds running the country?” (09:22)
• Corporate Leadership Trends:
  • Younger tech CEOs (Sam Altman et al.) defy the wisdom pattern—maybe because energy and out-of-the-box innovation trump experience in these fields.
    • Joe: “Maybe energy and willingness to work 80 hours a week and not being tied to... accumulated wisdom, maybe that explains it.” (16:04)

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3. Cultural Commentary: The ‘Mar-a-Lago Face’ Plastic Surgery Trend (17:42–20:52)

• Plastic Surgery in D.C.:
  • Trend among Trump insiders/wannabes for overt plastic surgery—the “Mar-a-Lago Face.”
  • Plastic surgeons note: The goal isn’t subtlety, it’s to look obviously “done” (bigger lips, tighter eyes).
  • Danger of ‘Filler Blindness’:
    • Joe: “If you add more and more product to your face... you lose sight of anatomic normalcy.” (20:44)
  • Not just women—men seeking tux, liposuction, and eyelid lifts to fit the new aesthetic.

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4. Wikipedia, AI, and the Future of Information (24:49–25:09)

• Wikipedia’s Traffic Decline:
  • Wikipedia blames AI chatbots for fewer users; Joe jokes that AI just regurgitates Wikipedia and cites them.
  • Joe: “AI said the same thing [as Wikipedia], slightly reworded it, and cited them as a source.” (25:01)

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5. The Great Feminization: How Gender Shapes Institutions & Wokeness (25:10–37:44)

• Essay Discussion: Joe dives into Helen Andrews’ “The Great Feminization,” dissecting how the transition from male- to female-majority workforces in law, journalism, medicine, etc., aligns with the “woke” era.
  • Landmark: The Harvard-Summers scandal—Summers was canceled after discussing differences in aptitudes/preferences between male and female scientists.
    • Joe: “The entire woke era could be extrapolated from that moment, from the details of how Summers was canceled and most of all, who did the canceling—women.” (27:00)
• Key Thesis:
  • Wokeness is less about ideology, more about “feminine” social dynamics (empathy over logic, cohesion over competition, safety over risk) dominating institutions.
  • Statistical Milestones:
    • Law firms, NYT staff, medical schools, college educators—majorities flipped female during the 2010s–2020s.
  • Joe: “Everything you think of wokeness involves prioritizing the feminine over the masculine, empathy over rationality, safety over risk, cohesion over competition.” (31:50)
• Behavioral Patterns:
  • Conflict resolution:
    • Men confront directly, reconcile openly; women prefer consensus, indirect conflict (“ostracize rather than confront”).
  • Free Speech Values:
    • 71% of men favor it over cohesion, 60% of women prefer social harmony (32:04).
  • Professionalism & Political Expression:
    • Female-dominated professions blur professional and political lines (doctors wearing pins, lanyards).
    • Joe: “Now that medicine has become more feminized, doctors wear pins and lanyards expressing views on controversial issues...” (35:40)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Joe: “Wokeness… is simply feminine patterns of behavior applied to institutions where women were few in number until recently.” (28:59)
• Katie: “Do women ostracize their enemies as opposed to confronting them openly...? Yeah, without a doubt.” (34:08)
• Joe: “If wokeness really is the result of the Great Feminization... the eruption of insanity in 2020 was just a small, small taste of what the future holds.” (37:30)
• Katie: “When we’re all dead who remember the before times, there won’t be anybody around to say, hey, it didn’t used to be like this.” (37:44)

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6. Book Review: ‘Why Fascists Fear Teachers’ by Randi Weingarten (41:36–46:44)

• Joe’s Scathing Take:
  • Dismisses the title as inflammatory: "If there was ever a flaming bag of dog crap sold as a book, this is it." (41:37)
  • Weingarten, head of the American Federation of Teachers, paints those pushing for school choice as extremists/fascists, touts public schools, and whitewashes her role in pandemic-era school closures.
  • Joe: “She’s an attempt to rehabilitate Weingarten’s image after she backed the longest school closures in American history, which yielded the largest drop [in] student performance ever recorded.” (45:46)
  • Discussion underscores how the book sidesteps meaningful policy and demonizes school choice, misrepresents statistics about public school attendance, and ignores evidence that vouchers often help disadvantaged students.
• Moral Condemnation:
  • Katie (vehemently): “I hate her so much.” (46:09)
  • The hosts question whether Weingarten truly believes she’s helping kids or if self-interest has warped her view.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Wisdom & Aging:

  • “You don’t get much time to enjoy your peak, do you? No.” – Joe Getty, (11:40)
  • “Everything we think, everything we do is chemicals sloshing around in our brain and the spark of the divine.” – Joe Getty, (13:18)

• On Social Trends:

  • “The most important sex difference in group dynamics is attitude to conflict. In short, men wage conflict openly, while women covertly undermine or ostracize their enemies.” – Joe Getty, reading from essay, (34:08)
  • “Men tend to be better at compartmentalizing than women. And wokeness was in many ways a society-wide failure to compartmentalize.” – Joe Getty, (34:11)

• On School Leadership:

  • “Do you think she actually believes she’s doing the right thing for kids? ... I don’t. There’s no way.” – Katie & Joe Getty, (46:21)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Functional Peak & Lifelong Development: 04:28–16:48
• The ‘Mar-a-Lago Face’ & Plastic Surgery Ethos: 17:42–20:52
• Wikipedia, AI, and Information: 24:49–25:09
• The Great Feminization & Wokeness: 25:10–37:44
• Book Review: Randi Weingarten’s Education Polemic: 41:36–46:44

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Conclusion

This replayed hour of Armstrong & Getty blends humorous personal anecdotes, skepticism about trending research, and pointed social commentary. The hosts puncture conventional wisdom about age and capability, question the implications of demographic shifts in power, and lampoon the worst of contemporary educational leadership. It's a mix of irreverence, analysis, and a dash of resigned concern for the future—all delivered in the show’s familiar, wisecracking style.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

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[Katie]

So now enjoy the Armstrong and Yeti Replay. We talked about this a little bit earlier, but I want to get into more of the specifics because I find this really interesting. The headline sort of hides a lot of the really good stuff. The headline being that you reach your functional peak as a human later than they had previously thought. Now, functional. Functional is what we're going to get into defining here. That word as they use 16 different dimensions. This is a serious, like, university study. This is not, I don't know, so many studies and you should look out for this. It's fun to talk about them. So many studies that you hear that are, you know, it turns out, you know, it's paid for by the, the Pudding Corporation. And it turns out you'd be better off eating more pudding in your life or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Just dumb stuff like that.

[Katie]

But it turns out that people reach their functional peak in their late 50s, early 60s, decades later than most people assume when you figure in all these different things. So physical strength, obviously, and certain cognitive abilities like processing speed decline steadily after your mid-20s.

[Joe Getty]

And I think we all can attest, yes.

[Katie]

Oh, if you're past your mid-20s, you're aware of that, but a whole bunch of other things you get stronger at for quite some time, but they all diminish eventually. Intelligence, personality, emotional intelligence, decision making. Overall functioning continues developing through midlife, reaching its apex at around 60 years old. A 25 year old can process information faster, hold more items in their working memory, and solve abstract reasoning problems more quickly than someone decades older. So that stuff, you're better at 25 than you are later. And that's. Who was I talking to the other day? They were, they were younger than me. They're talking about how they, they forget stuff now. And I said, yeah, I finally had to give in and start like leaving myself notes because I used to just, I used to be very proud of. I just, I could remember everything I needed to do and how I was going to do it, and I just knew I was going to remember that. Worked for a while and then until it didn't. Fluid intelligence, because we were talking about working memory, they're holding information in your head and all that sort of stuff. Peaks around 25. Fluid intelligence, the ability to think on your feet and solve novel program problems, peaks at 20 and declines after that.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Katie]

Isn't that something?

[Joe Getty]

Wow, huh? Okay.

[Katie]

That's probably good for, you know, a lot of your military age people and the kind of decisions they got to make really quickly on their feet. And they're around 20 years old.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, man, there's a lot to this.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Other terms to understand and subtleties and the rest.

[Katie]

But other advantages emerge with age that younger adults haven't had time to develop crystallized intelligence, which is not a term I'd heard, but it means accumulated knowledge and vocabulary, obviously keeps rising. Well, until your 60s.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Katie]

That'd be. You can call it wisdom if you wanted to. Financial literacy, for some reason improves into your late 60s, early 70s. It goes beyond that. It goes beyond other kinds of intelligence. Isn't that something? Yeah, but then dig this one. Moral reasoning, because this all comes under the category of you, you being able to function. So some of them drop off early, some of them go later. Moral reasoning tends to rise through most of adulthood and research indicates that it reverses very late in life. Your moral reasoning will reverse very late in life. So I'll rob a bank and have an affair or what's, what's, what's that all about?

[Joe Getty]

I'm gonna have to ask my slaves if they agree.

[Katie]

Very late in life. You're a little young.

[Joe Getty]

Late in life.

[Katie]

Yeah, I think, I think you're just a bad person if you Got slaves at this point.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, guilty. Yeah. Okay. All this rings true. I mean, it's interesting that they came up with different terms or more specific terms for the aspects of wisdom. Mm. I'm not sure we need all of them, but it's interesting to hear it broken out. I mean, you just, you have so many case studies, not only your own, but those of close friends and relatives and their experiences, and you just, you're. You're like a much more experienced surgeon. Yes, Michael. Maybe that's why so many old people.

[Katie]

Say whatever's on their mind because they.

[Joe Getty]

Have no more moral reasoning.

[Katie]

I don't know. Is a case of the efforts the same as moral reasoning? Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Or, you know, combines in some cases. But. Yeah.

[Katie]

Well, Katie and I were talking earlier when you were gone. Just some of this stuff really flies in the face of why do we have 80 year olds running the country? Oh, on some of these. Some of these, but.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I got a bunch of old guys running the country and their financial literacy appears to be. There is none.

[Katie]

Emotional intelligence climbs through midlife before tapering off. Based on research comparing age groups, older adults. This is a financial one, I guess older adults are about twice as likely as younger adults. To avoid the sunk cost fallacy, the habit of throwing good money after bad. Twice as likely at like 60 as you would be at 30. Of understanding. No, you know, this turned out to be a bad idea. Let's just move on. As opposed to, well, we've come this far, we better keep spending more money.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. Again, it's a question of having lived through that sort of thing a couple of times and realizing, okay, this is really disappointing, but we have to admit it's a loser and move on.

[Katie]

Yeah, it's interesting that they did that. They separate out financial intelligence where it might just be all wisdom there. It's just accumulated knowledge. And yeah, personality also matures with age. Conscientiousness and emotional stability, which are the two traits that are most strongly linked to career success and life satisfaction according to this study. I have to say that again. So the two traits most strongly linked to career success and life satisfaction, which I don't know about you, but having a satisfying life is way up on my list of priorities.

[Joe Getty]

Whose ass you kiss, that's the most important thing. It's not who you know, it's who you bleep.

[Katie]

Wow. Conscientiousness and emotional stability are the two traits you need for life satisfaction. That makes sense. But both increase from early adulthood well into your 50s and 60s. So that's good. Researchers weighted these various dimensions and created a composite index tracking overall functioning and overall functioning peaks between 55 and 60, with clear declines emerging about 65 to 70. So I got a few years left before. I mean, because I'm barely functioning now. I got a few years left before.

[Joe Getty]

It really starts to crash. True International president. You don't, you don't get much time to enjoy your peak, do you? No.

[Katie]

Well, we're not designed to live past that.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Really. Right. Conscientiousness and an emotional. What was it? Stability.

[Katie]

Stability, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Can that be translated as being beaten down? Emotional stability. I'm fine. I've been kicked before.

[Katie]

Well, it is true you get emotional stability, but I remember, God, quite a few years ago, I was proud of some reaction I had to something. And you, you said it's just because you have lower testosterone.

[Joe Getty]

I fully admit that.

[Katie]

Which took all the fun out of it. But there is. You do also gain emotional stability, don't you think? It isn't just low T.

[Joe Getty]

Because, again.

[Katie]

B, Again, because you've been through these situations before. This isn't first time you've had a boss shoot off about something dumb or whatever situation or you, you get something in the mail from the tax board that's going to be a pain in the ass. It's not the first time any of these things have happened. So you don't.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Katie]

Quite get as crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Well, please, if anybody disagrees with this, by the time you're playing in your third super bowl, you're focused on the game. You're focused on doing your job in a way. You can't be the first time.

[Katie]

Absolutely.

[Joe Getty]

Just to cite an obvious example, or.

[Katie]

Think about raising kids, the second kid versus the first kid. I mean, think about.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie]

The. Just the, you know, the first time your first kid falls down and bonks their head versus when you get to the second kid.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie]

They bunk there. They're fine.

[Joe Getty]

Getting back to the testosterone thing, though. What, what you need to remember, I think, or maybe you don't. I don't know, is that virtually everything we think, everything we do is chemicals sloshing around in our brain and the spark of the divine. But. And I believe in free will. I believe we have a certain amount of control over how we're going to react and you work to develop that. But I mean. Yeah, so of course different levels of different chemicals is going to affect the way you approach life. It's, it's. It's obvious. It has to be.

[Katie]

Well, yeah, I'M just trying to claim that any, any growth I've had is not all because I have lower testosterone.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, no, no, not at all.

[Katie]

I would never take some credit for some growth.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Well, I think that that discretionary part I was talking about, that absolutely grows because you've gone through it once when you lost your head, you've gone through it another time where you didn't lose your head and you're thinking, yeah, I'm staying calm again this time.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And then when he leaves for the day, I'll take a poop on his desk. Whatever it takes. Vengeance. Vengeance is fine.

[Katie]

Little sugar in the G could take care of that.

[Joe Getty]

Probably. Yeah. Served cold, Right? You know what I'm saying? Huh?

[Katie]

Good luck breaking down on the freeway on the way home. That's what you end up when you get older. The fact that you're like super quick thinking. Cognitive reasoning drops after 20. Wow, that's early in life.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Katie]

So kind of wrapping it up. Studies sobering studies cited by the authors show that people typically earn their highest salaries and reach peak occupational prestige between 50 and 55. It's not just because you've been around the company for a long time or blah, blah, blah, it's actually when you've got the most accumulated knowledge and emotional stability and all those sorts of things.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. In short, you're most likely to do a good job at it.

[Katie]

Yeah, exactly. Now the fact, as it says here, that the leaders of many political countries are in their 70s or 80s is not. Yeah. These are all averages though, of course. I mean, just flat out on the face of it, obviously Donald Trump's brain is different than Joe Biden's brain.

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely true. Yeah. And it strikes me that in a lot of your tech industries, for instance your tech companies, they're run by wunderkins, these, these young phenoms who are not 55 years old when they have their greatest success is that because there is no accumulated knowledge to be had in.

[Katie]

Their fields specific to that field?

[Joe Getty]

I mean, management is management dealing with people is dealing with people. But maybe energy and willingness to work 80 hours a week and not being tied to any sort of quote, unquote, accumulated wisdom. Maybe that explains it, I don't know. I mean, because you'd think a Sam Altman for instance, would hire a gray haired CEO and say, I'll just worry about the innovation stuff, you run the company. But that's not the way it goes.

[Katie]

The 55 year old CEO would say, what are we doing?

[Joe Getty]

What's the point of this what is I A? I keep telling you, it's AI AI Artificial intelligence. All right. Robots.

[Katie]

The fact that my moral compass may go south on me in my old age, that's got me concerned. Wonder what sort of hijinks I'll be up to.

[Joe Getty]

How bad could it get?

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

A sheriff's officer in Indiana went into.

[Katie]

An elementary school to jokingly hand out.

[Joe Getty]

Tickets to students using the phrase 6 7.

[Katie]

Everyone had a good laugh.

[Joe Getty]

Then he pulled out his gun and said, now tell me what it means.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joke.

[Joe Getty]

But a funny one.

[Katie]

Well, and funny. Have to have the cops come to the school handing out tickets for saying 6 7. That's pretty funny.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, good stuff. They are calling it Mar a Lago phase, Jack. Since January, plastic surgeries in D.C. have seen a wave of Trump insiders and would be insiders asking for overt procedures in line with what they're calling the Mar a Lago face look for the.

[Katie]

Longest time surgery Mar a Lago, the club where Trump lives down in Florida.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, yes, that would. That's the one. Yes. Most plastic surgeons in Washington D.C. like other places, have long gone with the nobody's sure you had anything done, you just look good look. Well, the President Trump is all in on aesthetics and Boulder is always better. And so people in his inner circle and those who would be again, are embracing a maximalist ethos when it comes to their look. Plastic surgeon Troy Pittman, who's big in D.C. i guess works with a lot of Trump insiders. We're quote, we're seeing people want to look like they've had something done, he says.

[Katie]

I suppose that's the logical next step and it doesn't have to be about Mar a Lago. Maybe that's what's been going on in Hollywood all these years and I didn't get it because I always, I was always saying, how's nobody told you that you took it too far. Well, I suppose when it's been around for decades, at some point the next logical iteration is you want to look like you've had work done because it makes you a certain sort of person.

[Joe Getty]

While old school Beltwayers tend to be hush hush about their tune ups, the Palm beach crowd is all systems go, says Dr. Pittman. Fillers are big with this crew, especially Lips as our Botox and dysport, which I don't even know About. Let's see. A different DC plastic surgeon says she's actually turned down a bunch of people who want contact because she just doesn't do that. Yeah, I didn't.

[Katie]

This all makes sense to me. People like me, who've never had that done and run around with people who've never had that done. We've been wrong all along. They're not trying to fool us. They want to.

[Joe Getty]

They want to.

[Katie]

They want a big statement that says, I get work done.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, well, you're. You're half right. As Nelly Bowles writes in the Free Press, the directive is bigger lips, Doc, and eyes that never shut, so as not to miss a thing. Tarantula lashes. Charcoal. Smear it on your lids. Everyone dresses to please the king, even if the royal aesthetic is if poltergeist were an escort anyway. But then this other DC plastic surgeon who does subtle stuff says these people want extra fillers and injections on top of already treated faces, which can be dangerous. She says it's a situation she calls filler blindness. If you add more and more product to your face and are surrounded by people who do the same, you lose sight of anatomic normalcy sake.

[Katie]

Clearly that is true.

[Joe Getty]

So, no, they don't want you to know it necessarily. They've just completely lost track of what's normal and what looks good.

[Katie]

Man, if I could get a little something done without anybody noticing, I would absolutely do it.

[Joe Getty]

The fellas are in line too, Jack. Looking for a Botox, liposuction, suction and eyelid rejuvenation. It's Pete Hegseth Washington. Now, you got to be young, fit and handsome. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. The Armstrong and Getty. Shh.

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[Katie]

And.

[Joe Getty]

AI said the same thing, slightly reworded it and cited them as a source.

[Katie]

That's pretty clever, actually. That is pretty funny.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So the way we see our jobs around here, speaking for myself, is, yeah, we bring you news of the day and our thoughts, but we're also curators of, you know, ideas. I. That's the most fun part of the job for me is reading all day long and trying to find the best ideas and bring them to you. Sometimes there are, sometimes they're not. And I came across. That's the way you describe our jobs.

[Katie]

I'm more of a lavishly paid to blather on, barely knowing what I'm talking about.

[Joe Getty]

That's your special charm. I came across this great piece by author Helen Andrews, and a number of our more astute listeners have sent it along, saying, in essence, omg, have you guys seen this? And it's a little longer than something we would generally read to you, but it is so good and, I think so important, it's worth it. It's entitled the Great Feminization. And here's a disclaimer real quickly, because as you know, a happily married guy who I love and respect, my wife, I have two daughters, my mom is a saint, blah, blah, blah, women and womanhood are essential to the functioning of mankind. I am a great believer in balance. People who ask me about politics, I always tell them, look, I'm a really conservative conservative, but I believe we need Navy Seals and poets. For society to work, for the world to work, we need men and women. The masculine, the effeminate. That's the way we're made by God or creation or whatever. Anyway, having said that, the Great Feminization. Helen Andrews and Jack obviously dive in whenever you want. In 2019, she writes, I read an article about Larry Summers and Harvard that changed the way I look at the world. The author argued that the day Larry Summers resigned as president of Harvard University marked a turning point in our culture.

[Katie]

We talked about that a lot at the time.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, the entire. And she explains exactly what happened. If you're trying to remember what happened, the entire woke era could be extrapolated from that moment, from the details of how Summers was canceled and most of all, who did the canceling Women. The basic facts of the Summers case are familiar. January 14, 2005, at a conference on diversifying the science and engineering workforce, Larry Summers gave a talk that was supposed to be off the record. In it, he said that female underrepresentation in hard sciences was Partly due to, quote, different availability of aptitude at the high end, as well as taste differences, preferences between men and women not attributable to socialization, meaning dudes just tend to xxx. Some female professors in attendance were offended and sent his remarks to a reporter in defiance of the off the record rule. The ensuing scandal led to a no confidence vote by the Harvard faculty and eventually Summer's resignation. The essay argued that it wasn't just that women had canceled the president of Harvard, it was that they'd canceled him in a very feminine way. They made emotional appeals rather than logical arguments. Quote, when he started talking about innate differences and aptitudes between men and women, I just couldn't breathe because this kind of bias makes me physically ill. Oh my God, said Nancy Hopkins, a biologist at mit. Wow. Summers made a public statement clarifying his remarks. And then another, and then a third, with the apology more insistent each time, experts chimed in to declare that everything Summers had said about sex differences was within the scientific mainstream. These rational appeals had no effect on the mob hysteria. This cancellation was feminine, the SA argued, because all cancellations are feminine. Cancel culture is simply what women do when there are enough of them in a given organization or field. This, that is the great Feminization thesis, which the same author later elaborated on at book length. Everything you think of as Wokeness is simply an epiphenomenon of demographic feminization.

[Katie]

I like where this is. I like where this is going.

[Joe Getty]

The explanatory power of this simple thesis was incredible. It really did unlock the secrets of the era we were living in now. Here's a point I disagree with. Wokeness is not a new ideology, an outgrowth of Marxism, or a result of post Obama disillusionment. It is simply feminine patterns of behavior applied to institutions where women were few in number until recently. How did I not see it before? My disagreement with the Marxism point is that Michel Foucault, who's really the godfather of critical theory and neo Marxism, he understood human nature and he understood how making an emotional moral argument could get people to ignore facts. That's why they're so intent on getting you to say a man can give birth to a baby, because if you can be pried away from logic and rely on pure emotion and what the crowd says you should say, then they've gotcha. So this is not divorced from Marxism, it's just another layer of it. But anyway, on with the essay. Let's see. Then she mentions a couple of firsts. People think about the feminization of like the first woman to attend law school in 1869, first woman to argue before the Supreme Court in 1880, first female Supreme Court justice, 1981. But she says a much more important tipping point is when law schools became majority female, which occurred in 2016. Or when law firms associated became majority female, which occurred in 2023. When Sandra Day O' Connor was appointed to the high court, only 5% of judges were female. Today, women are 33% of the judges in America and 63% of the judges appointed by President Biden, 63%. The same trajectory can be seen in many professions. Pioneering generations of women in the 60s and 70s, increasing female representation through the 80s and 90s, and gender parity finally arriving in 2010s or 2020s. For instance, in 1974, only 10% of New York Times reporters were female. The New York Times staff became majority female in 2018. And today the female share is 55%. Medical schools became majority female in 2019. Women became a majority of the college educated workforce nationwide in 2019. Women became a majority of college instructors in 2023. Women are not yet a majority of the managers in America, but they might be soon. They're now 46%. So the timing fits. Wokeness arose around the same time that many important institutions tipped demographically from majority male to majority female. All right, so what you're saying, here's. Here's what she means. The substance fits, too. Everything you think of wokeness involves prioritizing the feminine over the masculine, empathy over rationality, safety over risk, cohesion over competition. Give you a second to absorb that. 100 right, 100 right. And 100% right.

[Katie]

Those are all real interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Other writers have proposed their own versions of the great feminization thesis. She drops a few names who looked at feminization's effect on academia offer survey data showing sex differences in political values. One survey, for instance, found that 71% of men said protecting free speech was more important than preserving a cohesive society, whatever that means. 71% of men, 60% of women said the opposite.

[Katie]

That doesn't surprise me. And as a. For some reason, it popped into my head, he was talking about how when women got involved in youth sports, how it changed. Then we got uniforms at every age.

[Joe Getty]

And lots of team pictures and lots of ceremonies.

[Katie]

Ceremonies and stuff like that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Anyway. And then she issues a disclaimer, which probably isn't necessary, but the most relevant differences are not about individuals, but about groups. Yes, an individual woman might be taller than an individual man, but a group of 10 random women is very unlikely to have an average height greater than that of 10 men. The larger the group of people, the more likely it is to conform to statistical averages. So again, you independent thinking, free speech loving women out there, it's not about you, it's not about individuals. It's about. In large groups, tendencies become more and more true. Anyway, the female group dynamics favor consensus and cooperation. Men order each other around, but women can only suggest and persuade. Any criticism or negative sentiment, if it is absolutely to be expressed, needs to be buried in layers of compliments. The outcome of a discussion is less important than the fact that a discussion was held and everyone participated in it. The most important sex difference. The most important sex difference in group dynamics is attitude to conflict. In short, men wage conflict openly, while women covertly undermine or ostracize their enemies. Any ladies like to disagree with that? Katie, feel free to jump in if you like. Okay.

[Katie]

Do women ostracize their enemies as opposed.

[Joe Getty]

To confronting them openly and saying, hey, we have a problem, we need to settle this? Yeah, without a doubt. Barry Weiss, in her letter of resignation from the New York Times, described how colleagues referred to her in internal slack messages as a racist, a Nazi and a bigot. And this is the most feminine part. Quote, colleagues perceived to be friendly with me were badgered by co workers, she said in her resignation. Wow. Weiss once asked a colleague at the Times opinion desk to get coffee with her. This journalist, a biracial woman who wrote frequently about race, refused to meet. This was a failure to meet the basic standards of professionalism. Obviously. It was also very feminine. Men tend to be better at compartmentalizing than women. And wokeness was in many ways a society wide failure to compartmentalize. Listen to this. This is another blockbuster point. Traditionally, an individual doctor might have opinions on the political issues of the day, but he would regard it as his professional duty to keep those opinions out of the examination room. Now that medicine has become more feminized, doctors wear pins and lanyards expressing views on controversial issues from gay rights to Gaza. They even bring the credibility of their profession to bear on political fads, as when doctors said Black Lives Matter protests could continue in violation of COVID lockdowns because racism was a public health emergence.

[Katie]

You're nodding your head, Katie. You've been in hospital situations a lot more than us lately. You've seen that?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, I've seen it. You know, the little lanyards where they. It's like their key to the doors. They all have the different little trinkets with, you know, rainbows and I saw a Palestinian flag recently.

[Katie]

Yeah, dudes wouldn't have done that.

[Joe Getty]

Now one more note and then we will take a break. One book that helped me put together the pieces was warriors and warriors the Survival of the Sexes by psychology professor Joyce Benenson. Practically all of the scientists cited in this article are women. By the way, it's worth pointing out I she theorizes that men developed group dynamics optimized for war, while women developed group dynamics optimized for protecting their offspring. These habits formed in the mists of prehistory explain why experimenters in modern psychology labs, in a study that Berenson cites, observed that a group of men given a task will, quote, jockey for talking time, disagree loudly, and then cheerfully relate a solution to the experiment. Experimenter, a group of women given the same task will quote politely inquire about one another's personal background and relationships, accompanied by much eye contact, smiling and turn taking, and pay little attention to the task that the experimenter presented. The point of war is to settle disputes between two tribes, but it only works if peace is restored after the dispute is settled. Men therefore develop methods for reconciling with opponents and learning to live in peace with people they were fighting yesterday. Females, even in primate species, are slower to reconcile than males. That is because women's conflicts were traditionally within the tribe over scarce resources, to be resolved not by open conflict but by covert competition with rivals with no clear end. All of these observations match my observations of wokeness. But soon the happy thrill of discovering a new theory eventually gave way to a sinking feeling. If wokeness really is the result of the Great Feminization, then the eruption of insanity in 2020 was just a small, small taste of what the future holds. Imagine what will happen as the remaining men age out of these society shaping professions and the younger, more feminized generations take full control.

[Katie]

That's what I'm always saying, that when we're all dead who remember the before times, there won't be anybody around to say, hey, it didn't used to be like this.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

That came from the Bartesian cocktail maker.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

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[Katie]

So perhaps.

[Joe Getty]

You you would like to leave a flaming bag of dog excrement on your neighbor's front porch, but you lack such an item. You could go with Randy Weingarten's new book instead, why Fascists Fear Teachers, Public Education, and the Future of Democracy. If there was ever a flaming bag of dog crap sold as a book, this is it. Why Fascists Fear Teachers who are these fascists? We'll get to that in a moment. So obviously the title is designed to be eye catching and attract readers, but by now, as this review puts it, the word fascist is thrown around routinely. The book's title, Public Education the Future of Democracy, is more significant, deceptive. The book's purported intention is to argue for public school's crucial role in our democratic society, but it offers very little in the way of education policy or ideas that would truly benefit teachers or, God forbid, students. The real aim is, yes, Randy Weingarten.

[Katie]

Played the major role in keeping the schools closed during the pandemic, for instance.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm sorry, the American Federation of Teachers president for years and years and years. The real aim is made clear. It devotes most of its pages to attacking her political opponents, especially supporters of school choice, and defending the interests of the American Federation of Teachers, her big rich union. She starts out claiming 90% of American kids attend public schools. Not so fast. It was a little over 81% four years ago at the beginning of COVID So. And that's before the expansion of universal school choice in states like Texas and New Hampshire. Half of American children now have access to school choice, so the number is far, far lower than the 90% she claims. So it's appropriate the book would start off with lies. As it continues in that vein, Weingarten characterizes the school choice movement as a conspiracy organized by Christopher Rufo, Moms for Liberty, and other hard right wing activists, quote, a plot to destroy public education.

[Katie]

Yeah, I'd be all for that based.

[Joe Getty]

On where it is right now. You know, honestly Yeah, I see your point. The real drivers of the choice movement, they point out, however, are parents like Virginia Walter, a black, low income mother in Washington, D.C. who grew frustrated watching her son struggle in public school and helped create the D.C. opportunity Scholarship Program, the nation's first federally funded voucher initiative. But yeah, she's a conspiracy nut. Sure, Randy. Let's see. Weingarten also insists that vouchers are devised by whites to undermine desegregation. Oh, it's racism. Probably systemic racism. This isn't just wrong. It gets the history completely backward. In fact, some teachers unions fought against vouchers because they facilitated integration. Weingarten claims she is, quote, willing to work with anyone who wants to actually address the problems facing our public schools. But she refuses to engage with school choice advocates who propose concrete and constructive options for students underserved by traditional school districts. Then she denigrates religious schools whose very purpose is indoctrination. That's a quote. This animus causes her to overlook the many advantages of faith based education, such as the Catholic school effect, which has been demonstrated to benefit disadvantaged minority students in particular has to do with high expectations and discipline and that sort of thing. The biggest deception in Weingarten's book is her portrayal of her role. Jack, you'll love this. During the pandemic, I quote, I led the AFT in developing a concrete plan to reopen schools as quickly and safely as possible. When, of course, Weingarten and her union colleagues kept children, American children, out of schools until the government approved her request for a $750 billion federal aid package to feather their nest and hire more administrators and more union members. Unbelievable. The book is primarily an attempt to rehabilitate Weingarten's image after she backed the longest school closures in American history, which yielded the largest drop student performance ever recorded.

[Katie]

Not to mention the emotional turmoil.

[Joe Getty]

And she mentions the aforementioned fascists like ourselves in her title. Replace facts and critical thinking with propaganda that romanticizes the nation's past.

[Katie]

No.

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely obscene. You know, I gotta. I gotta apologize to Flamin. Bags of dog crap. Comparing them to this book. It's insulting.

[Katie]

Yeah, that's really maddening. I mean, we've talked about this a lot and I hate her so much. Much.

[Joe Getty]

Do you think she actually believes she's.

[Katie]

Doing the right thing for kids? Or did she abandon that a long time ago? I don't.

[Joe Getty]

She couldn't.

[Katie]

There's no way.

[Joe Getty]

There's no way she possibly thought keeping.

[Katie]

This school's closed was the best thing for the kids? Not a chance. She actually believed that?

[Joe Getty]

No. Unless her own evil and her need to, you know, explain it has has perverted her own mind to the point that she can't recognize truth. She's like O.J. simpson who thought he didn't kill his wife. Life. Yeah.

[Katie]

What a horrifying human being.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Armstrong and Getty. Then the space hamster flew his hot.

[Jack Armstrong]

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