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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
Exclusions apply. Now broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast.
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Jack Armstrong
Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Armstrong and Getty.
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Joe Getty
And now here.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
And get it. Not live. We're not here.
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Joe Getty
It's the Armstrong and Getty replay.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
But what we have for you is delicious. A collection of some of our best stuff.
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Joe Getty
You can hear more, of course, on our podcast, Armstrong and Getty on Demand.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
And hey, get through your Christmas shopping list at the Armstrong and Getty Superstore. Shirts, hoodies, and much more.
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Joe Getty
So now enjoy the Armstrong and Yeti replay. And this week is always Fat Tuesday in Mardi Gras happening in New Orleans. And I just saw some Mardi Gras revelers down there. Cyber truck had pulled up on the street and there was a tremendous amount of booing going on. And I just thought that was interesting that that is, like, seen as an. I was gonna say a vehicle, but it's actually a vehicle. So using it as a. Here's the sound. Booing a cyber truck pulling through.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Well, the music pulsates in the background.
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Joe Getty
Women are show boobs for me. Yet still time to boo the leader of Doge. Because you hate cutbacks in spending. I just don't get it.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Wasteful spending, idiotic spending. That's just tribal signaling. Ooga booga.
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Joe Getty
Okay, yeah.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Speaking of that sort of thing. Oh, Michael, are you giving up playing chest for lint? I am.
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Joe Getty
Yes.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
No more chess. So one of the themes that the president struck in his speech last night was getting rid of a bunch of woke crap and transgender this and that, which I thought was terrific. And we'll play some highlights in, I don't know, 20 minutes, half an hour, something like that. But I thought a couple of things were very interesting. One more newsy and one more philosophical. But first of all, the newsy thing. For the last decade, the establishment media have touted advocates claims as fact that we have roughly 15,000 transgender people serving in the US military. If you're not familiar with the term, it means a person of one sex pretending to be the other sex.
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Joe Getty
Wow.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
And over and over again, I've heard the 15,000 number and thought, damn, that's a lot.
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Joe Getty
Nah, I never believed it. But.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Yeah, I didn't either. But I had no idea what to think. But this week, President Donald Trump's Pentagon revealed that the number is about 4,200 service members, which is still a hell of a lot, but it's just over one quarter of what they were claiming. This adds up to one transgender person for every 500 service members in a military of 2.1 million active and reserve members. I am surprised that it is that many. And I'd be curious as to what is going on psychosocially. That would, that would cause that.
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Joe Getty
I mean, you. You talk about ridiculous tribalism. I came across Bill Crystal's tweet last night. Most of you don't know who he is. He used to be one of my favorite pundits. He's a hardcore conservative, like in the classic style. His dad, Irving Crystal, founded, I think, the Weekly Standard, one of the great writers of conservatism, and. And Bill Crystal carried that on. And then Bill Crystal hated.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Called Barry Goldwater a moderate. Bill.
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Joe Getty
Bill Crystal, who used to be on, you know, like Meet the Press and Face a Nation and arguing for conservatives all these years, he hated Trump so much, he went over with the people that formed the bulwark, and they have become a grift machine. And they've just figured out that if they say bad things about Republicans, that they can make a lot of money. And this is what Bill Kristol tweeted out last night, stand with trans Americans. You don't have to understand everything about the transgender experience to know that Trump's act of humiliation and dehumanization are unjust and dangerous.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
You've lost your mind.
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Joe Getty
Just because he hasn't lost his mind, he's become so cynical. He just thinks, you know what? It's all a game anyway. Screw it. There are enough of these people out there. If I take this angle, they'll continue to, you know, donate money to us and read our stuff and give us clicks and I'll make a.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Whatever. Yeah, the converts. Everybody wants to celebrate the convert.
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Joe Getty
Yep.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Yep. Yeah. Wow, that is some cynical crap, isn't it? So, speaking of which, those of us who aren't cynical have looked at the world around us and, and I think a lot of you probably understand that the hardcore activists in the WOKE thing are Neo Marxists. And the WOKE thing is just an excuse to say you're in charge of this institution, but you're a racist. And I can prove it with my anti racist theories. And obviously we can't have a racist in charge. So now I'm in charge. It's a method of conquest. It takes over institutions, be they, you know, schools or government departments or whatever. We get the hardcore doing that, the people who want to be nice people and they go along with it. This is the useful idiots. And they. They are legion in their numbers. And often it's young people because young people are easy to. To indoctrinate.
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Joe Getty
The problem with that term is that Lennon's term.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
I think it is, yeah.
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Joe Getty
John Lennon. No, V I Lennon. The problem with that term is that it's obviously quite insulting. It's not a good way to explain to someone that they maybe are being used for a purpose that they do not agree with. If you call them an idiot.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Right. You know, you make a good point. Let's go with useful morons instead. Useful half wits. No, it's. It's actually one of the better impulses in humankind, which is what I'm leaning toward. It's long been known that all the intelligence agencies and governments of the world are interested in influencing people to believe certain things, to support certain programs or certain governments. I mean, that's obvious, right? Propaganda. The Hitler Youth, the Mao Tse Tung and his Red Guard, just all sorts of programs like that. And a guy who's been studying this his whole life, his name is Jason Kristoff, and he did a presentation recently that was hosted by Senator Ron Johnson, speaking of rock ribbed conservatives. And he explained how mind control is easy to execute because human beings are essentially walking psyops. He said, he, quote. He said mimetic programming, which is the process of having someone learn to imitate patterns and behaviors, is routinely used in Hollywood films and by powerful corporations and governments. Quote, mind control works on the subconscious. And the subconscious is something that loves us and wants to protect us. And it's in the realm of activity similar to your heart beating. So you. There are things you understand as a human being that you're not in control of. They're instinctive. Your subconscious mind is always looking to establish what the bigger group of humans is doing, and so it is responsive to repetitive content. Simply put, people are always looking to learn what a larger group is doing and fit in. Meaning that repeated messages can be enormously powerful. You know, obviously we're just talking about conformity here.
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Joe Getty
All sales organizations know this. Sure.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Quoting again from Mr. Kristoff. The reason the subconscious does this is because it knows that most humans like other humans who act, talk, and think like they do. And all the subconscious know, and all your subconscious know that it's safer to bond with a bigger group. To break this mind control Technique down further. Your subconscious automatically absorbs repetitive content and forces people to adopt ideas as their own. Your reptile brain is telling you you decided this on your own to go along with the crowd, because for whatever reason, that works better with humans. It's more adaptive, as they say in anthropology.
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Joe Getty
That's why, for example, do any of my beliefs come from my own thinking? Or is this all just because I was surrounded by it?
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
I think sometimes the best you can do is be intellectually honest and examine your beliefs and test them now and again and try the other ideas. But anyway, that's a great other topic. What time is it?
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Joe Getty
Yeah, we're good.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
This is why, for example, at a party where there's a lot of alcohol being served and consumed, people can feel nervous saying no when offered a drink. Quote, if you dare say no in opposition of the most repetitive content, your nervous system will make you feel extremely uneasy and full of anxiety. And it will also reward you for going along with it, putting your neurology at peace and calm in the feeling of calmness, that repetitive sense.
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Joe Getty
So there's more to peer pressure than meets the eye, right?
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Exactly. It's not weakness, it's. It's anthropologically adaptive. The. The problem is, you know, unless you're an alcoholic, you're going to be fine having a drink, or unless somebody's trying to feed your roofy and rape you or something like that, you're fine.
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Joe Getty
Bill Cosby's house or.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Oh, right. Exactly. In short. But if there is an insidious group bent on evil utilizing these truths intentionally and aggressively, you get an entire generation of young people walking around saying it's not wrong to have a man in a woman's sport, even though he whoops the hell out of the women and takes all the titles. It's not wrong to have a man in a women's prison because that man says he's a woman. They come up with an idea as ludicrous is that a man who says he's a woman is actually a woman.
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Joe Getty
And then certainly things that are easier to go for, I won't say fall for, like hearing about climate change every class you're ever in your whole life. Right.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Christoph actually touched on the COVID 19 pandemic in the response. He said media outlets push highly similar, similar narratives to, quote, unquote, control people, influencing them to stay at home. Mind control is the basis of all advertising, and the governments have been proven to be using the same group dynamic application against the public. He pointed to examples such as the UK's Behavioral Insights Team, informally known as the Nudge unit. Have you ever heard of this? No. It's a former government organization now run by a charity, which uses behavioral insights to change people's behavior, for example, by changing messaging to make people more likely to pay their taxes on time.
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Joe Getty
Wow.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Kristof believes such tactics have been used to drive social changes for decades, with depictions of large nuclear families on screen diminishing since the 1950s in favor of less conventional families with fewer children, among other things. And corporations use similar strategies. But we're running out of time. But you get the idea. And I've often said you don't need to do what the culture is doing because a lot of that is designed by people who do not have your best interests in mind. So maybe the only great takeaway from this is if you find yourself wanting to conform, understand that that is your animal brain being used often by evil people to try to get you to behave in a certain way.
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Joe Getty
That's really interesting stuff. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
The Armstrong and Getty Show.
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Joe Getty
The Armstrong and Getty show. So my 13 year old, and it matters what his age is, apparently wanted to open a checking account at the bank or an account at the bank because he's got enough money built up from allowances and birthdays and Christmases and he doesn't spend his money like his brother does. He saves it because he wants to be able to put it toward a car someday and that sort of thing. So he's got a decent sized chunk of money added up over the years and he'd been keeping it in his shoebox. And so he's going to open an account. And I remember when I opened an account when I was probably about his age, I started mowing lawns when I was 12, 13 and accumulating money and opening a bank account.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
It's a rite of passage. I remember it myself.
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Joe Getty
On the way to the bank, I did say to him, I said, you know, I haven't, I haven't been around the idea of opening an account for a bank in 40 years, something like that. So I don't know if the rules have changed, but so in case something happens. But anyway, so we get it there, sure enough. And so we're trying to open this account and everything like that. And first of all, many banks, everything is. I don't know if it's because the government comes down on them so hard or something like that. They, they treat everybody like you're a wannabe terrorist, like everything you do. It's like geez, lighten up. But anyway, he needs to have two forms of ID is where we ran into the roadblock. I said what is a form of ID for a 13 year old? He said. And they said well, your Social Security card, his birth certificate. Okay, great. So I said the fact that I'm his dad isn't good enough. I can't vouch for the fact that he's my son and I have an account here and have had for 25 years and open an account for him. I can't do that. No, we need to. And I said is that a bank policy or a state law or what is that? Because I was thinking if it's a bank policy I'll go to a different bank. But it's a federal law. It's part of the Patriot Act. I said oh cool. Of course. And he said well it's a federal. I said you don't need to explain the federal government to me. And I hate the federal government. I said. And then the guy looked at me like I was oh. He got wide eyed like oh you're one of those people. You're Timothy McVeigh. You're, you're. You're one of those people.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Yeah, clearly I've heard about them.
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Joe Getty
I said I hate the federal government. The Patriot Act's ridiculous. This is ridiculous. The fact that I can't open a bank account for a 13 year old and as his parent I got. I gotta prove who he is because you can't take my word for the fact that he's my child makes me.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Child money laundering little mule for your militia, whatever you want to call him.
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Joe Getty
The Patriot act was so I was trying to explain it to Nery was so much crap that they jammed through. It's all because of 9 11. So you're going to stop the next 911 by making sure 13 year olds don't open illegal bank accounts. I guess. Yeah, whatever. Even though their parent who you know is sitting right there. I hate stuff like that. And the, and the. But they were, they are. Their eyes got so wide when I said I hate the federal government. And I was thinking if I was doing the same thing in my, in my. Where I went to college in Hays, Kansas and I said I hate the federal government. The teller would have said yeah, me too. Don't you high five. I thought what a difference.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Amen to that brother.
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Joe Getty
But that just being. Oh my God, you shouldn't. She said oh. She even gasped. She gasped. The woman gasped and her boss just looked at me wide Eyed like, oh, we about to have a fight.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Oh, man.
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Joe Getty
You have to have two pieces of id. Even though he's my kid, I just found that amazing.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
All right, here's. Here's the guy who retweets my quotes. Get ready to jot this one down and get it right, would you? Anytime the government says there's an emergency, there are two emergencies.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, but actually. Exactly. And I actually told my son, because he was wondering. He was like, is that something you can't say out loud? I said. I told him the most revered Republican president of the last maybe century, Ronald Reagan, ran on the scariest words in the English language are, I'm here from the. I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you. I mean, he ran on I hate the government.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Or I just saw a clip this morning. The government isn't the solution. Government is the problem.
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Joe Getty
And the woman who is typing furiously after I said that because she was so horrified that anybody would say that, I said, you know, all the money in my account, I made that by going on the radio every day and saying, I hate the government.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
By the way, if the Justice Department is listening, or the FDIC or I don't. The CIA, the nsa, if they're. I'm happy to testify against this monster.
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Joe Getty
I'm sure I'm on some sort of terrorist watch list now. Yes, Michael, so wonder they didn't hit.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
The silent alarm on you and then, you know, cops show up or something.
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Joe Getty
I would have been. I would have loved to talk to people and explain why it's okay for me to say I hate the government.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
No, no, no. We've got to surveil him for a while and go through his mail and monitor his phone calls. We've got the NSA working on it already.
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Joe Getty
What I hate is the manager guy acting like it makes sense that we have a law that I can't vouch for my kid being my kid. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Two forms of ID for a child, right?
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Joe Getty
When their parent is there.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
How about he says his name, then I say his name. Is that two forms of id? And if not, what the hell has the world become?
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Jack Armstrong
I know Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
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Joe Getty
The Armstrong and Getty show the US Navy has dozens of nuclear powered submarines. Fourteen are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Each Ohio class sub can carry 20 Trident ballistic missiles with eight nuclear warheads each. Meaning one American Ohio class nuclear submarine could strike 160 cities at once. I thought it would be good to play something current before we get into discussion about the anniversary. Eighty years since we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, we still have wars going on. Nuclear weapons are still a conversation. People are still willing to fight to the death over a variety for a variety of reasons. Nothing has changed on that front since World War II. World War I was the going to be the war to end all wars. Then we had World War II, which was significant, significantly bigger and since World War II we've now had more people die in wars since World War II than happened during World War II.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
And I believe as we speak we have the most armed conflicts going on earth that has been recorded. Really? I just heard that yesterday.
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Joe Getty
I didn't know that.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
It's like 140 or something like that.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. So I get discouraged sometimes with my love of history and that I feel like it is wrongly portrayed so often or narratives catch on and they just become the truth forever in some cases. And they're not accurate. It's just the way it is. Like our friend we like Victor David Hansen, he wrote a book a couple years called called the World wars and he was trying to make the argument that it was. It was really separate wars that we call it World War II, but there were separate wars going on that really didn't have much to do with each other. This other book that I've been reading just recently, Operation Downfall by Richard B. Frank. It's the most recent book written about Downfall was going to be the was the campaign for us to end the war with Japan. Japan bombs US December 7, 1941 they attacked us. Hitler had already been defeated at this point and we needed to figure out how to finish off the Japanese who were still fighting like crazy. But the whole fight in Japan and fighting Germany didn't really have much to do with each other. There are a couple of instances when Japan and Germany kind of worked together. But if it ever came down to it, I mean think about it. These are two incredibly racist regimes that believe the other side shouldn't exist on planet Earth so at least ought to.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Stay the hell away.
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Joe Getty
The Nazis would have killed every Japanese person on Earth if They had the opportunity, and vice versa. Japan was an incredibly racist nation. They believed they were superior to the Chinese, let alone the white mongrel United States. And this Frank's guy is trying to make the argument that a lot of historians have, but it just hasn't worked yet. That World War II started in 1937 when Japan invaded China and started taking over that part of the globe. But because we're mostly from Europe and we're so Europe focused, and most of our World War II movies are about Europe and fighting the Nazis, we just. We don't. We think World War II started in September of 39, when Germany goes into, you know, Poland and all those countries and starts doing their thing. But the Japanese invaded China in 1939 and started one hell of a war. Eight million Chinese had died at the hands of the Japanese before Pearl Harbor. Eight million Chinese, Yeah. Japan was one of the most ruthless regimes that's ever existed on planet Earth. Why we regularly refer to Nazis or Hitler like the worst thing that has ever happened, I don't quite know. Stalin was worth worse than Hitler, and the Japanese were more deadly than the Nazis. Japan controlled 20% of the planet. What they were fighting at the time that we defeated him, a significantly greater chunk than the Nazis took over, even though they took over most of Europe.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
And call it racism or bigotry or just resentment, but I've always reacted to the obscenely unspeakably stupid statement from progressives that, but only white people can be racist. Because ask a Korean about the Japanese. Right. Ask a Japanese person about the Chinese, ask a Filipino about any of them. Oh, my God, will they bring the hate anyway? But part of that is fairly legitimate resentment of, I don't know, killing 8 million of our people, often in horrific ways.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. And things had gotten so ugly there at the end, fighting Japan, Japanese soldiers, island by island. As we tried to get close enough to the main island of Japan to, at the time we thought we were going to invade, we ended up deciding that wasn't going to work because it would have been too deadly and too costly. 60 between 60 and 70% of all of our casualties happened in the last year of the war. Half of all Marine deaths happen in the last couple of months as we were fighting island to island. By the time we got to Guadalcanal, it was the first battle in which we lost more people. More men died that were US Soldiers than the Japanese lost. And we just figured that that was going to continue. As we got closer to the island and then invading the Island. We were going to take way more deaths than they were going to take. So people who make the argument we shouldn't have dropped the bomb, why do you think we should suffer more losses than the people that attacked us? What's the argument there?
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Well, and there, there are a lot of good arguments on that side. Loyal listener Mike San Francisco urged us me to read about the Battle of Okinawa, which raged for two months and three weeks and was one of the last big ones before we were either going to invade Japan or not. But 100,000 Japanese troops in Okinawa, 50,000 Allied casualties, around 100,000 Japanese casualties, also including local Okinawans conscripted into the Japanese army. According to local authorities, at least 149,000 Okinawan people were killed, died by coerced suicide, or went missing. So, yeah, the carnage at the end was. Well, it's unspeakable. It's unthinkable.
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Joe Getty
It is a version of total war that is practically unseen on planet Earth. Why it doesn't get discussed more often, I don't know. And then as to the idea that Japan would have surrendered at any point. So Japan had never surrendered. Historically, in their 2, 700 year existence, they had never surrendered to an invader. And more recently During World War II, no Japanese unit, not one, had surrendered in any battle. No matter how defeated they were, they would continue to fight until they were all dead. That was just to the last man. Their culture, and it's kind of hard for us to get into the mindset of. It's why the whole kamikaze thing worked. They had a. They have a culture and a mindset that we do not have of where they would take such great pride to have their young son go get in a plane and fly it into a ship and die. They were perfectly okay with that. It made every bit of sense to them to serve their God King Hirohito thing that they had going on that we also can't quite wrap our heads around culturally because it not only was it a monarch, but it was a religious figure. And, and we just, we can't. It doesn't make any sense to us culturally, the way that that worked. Roosevelt also believed, if you're a fan of World War I, you know, the whole stabbed in the back myth that entered into Germany after Germany lost. And we, we left their government, we, the Allies, left their government in charge. Then the young Hitlers of the world, people that had fought in the war, started this whole. Our government stabbed us in the back and it's the dirty Jews that Caused it. Thing that grew and grew and grew and led to the rise of the anger of the German society in Nazi Germany in World War II and all that. Roosevelt knew that and he didn't want to leave in Germany or Japan any. He wanted to make sure Roosevelt believed Germany and Japan, every man, woman and child in the country had to believe they were defeated to make sure that they, either one of them didn't rise up again. They had to all know they were beaten, completely beaten. They weren't. Their own government didn't stab in the back. Nothing like that happened. They were soundly defeated. And that was one of the reasons they had to take it clear to the end the way they did. Combined with the. Nobody had ever surrendered, so there was no reason to think they would ever give up. The Japanese we now have, we've only had this for 30 years. We now have the communications that were going on in Japan. Thanks to Japanese historians. There are only six people in control of the whole decision they called the big six. Five of them were in the military and they had no interest in surrendering whatsoever. And they were willing to lose tens of millions of Japanese civilians. They believed if we, if we surrounded them and did a blockade and tried to starve them out, which ended up, that was going to be the plan. If we didn't drop the bomb, we were going to surround Japan and starve millions of people until they surrendered, which would have killed way more people than the bombs killed. But the, the big six in Japan, they figured if 20 million Japanese starve, the world opinion will finally turn against the allies in the United States.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
And what a very Hamas like strategy.
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Joe Getty
Exactly. And we'll be able to negotiate a much better situation. They're perfectly comfortable with that. But for anybody who argues that there is a way out that would have been less deadly than the nuclear weapons. Also I mentioned it the other day, but worth mentioning again, around 200,000 people were killed by the bombs. It's hard, depends on where you, you know, you do the cutoff because the cancer later and everything like that. But around 200,000 died from the bombs that were dropped 80 years ago tomorrow. And then on the 9th, the other bomb, twice as many Japanese as that died at the hands of the Russians in the very same weeks as Russia was coming on and taking ground trying to take it back from much more ruthless than we were. When do you ever hear anybody say anything about that?
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Well, yeah, self hatred is the, the hallmark of the progressive and, and they're proud of it. They stoke it. They like It. And it's, it's just, it's. It's perverse.
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Joe Getty
They had a million men ready to defend a ground invasion, some 8,000 planes, maybe half of which were going to be kamikazes attacking every one of our ships, which would have been that. That's why they ultimately decided. And we've only known this since the 90s. That are. Our Navy decided we ain't going to do this. That that's a no. We're a no vote on that. So the ground invasion was not going to happen because it would have been too deadly. It just absolutely couldn't be done. So it was either starve them out or drop the bomb. So I went to the Oppenheimer movie with a friend. When was that? Three, four years ago that. That Oppenheimer movie came out. This friend was a super lib. But anyway, we're driving away from the movie theater and we're having a conversation about the whole should we have dropped the bomb or not? Kind of got started the conversation and it was very funny because it took us 10, 15 minutes of driving and saying, I know, can you believe that? There are some people to believe that. Before we realized we were. We had completely different positions, we were both saying, I know it's crazy that people believe that. I was thinking, it's crazy that people believe we shouldn't have dropped the bomb. She was thinking, it's crazy that people think we should have dropped the bomb. And at some point, and it got very quiet in the car after that, we realized, oh, oh, we're completely on the opposite side of this. Because those of us on whichever side just can't believe the other side believes what they believe. And I'm on the side of, obviously we should have dropped the bomb. Who wouldn't have, given the circumstances? But there are plenty of people that think it's just nuts that we opened up the can of worms and it's one of the great black marks in U.S. history that we crossed that line and dropped an atomic bomb on Japan.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Yeah.
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Joe Getty
What's the other pushback? The best. What's the. What's the college kid, college professor pushback on dropping the bomb?
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
That Japan was prepared to offer a not unconditional, but more or less complete surrender and that it just had to be worked out over the course of a couple more days of conversation.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
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Joe Getty
There's no documentation for that.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
There are a couple of communications from a couple of people that hint that that might be possible, and they extrapolate from there and feel free, we can talk about this as long as you want. But on the at home sociological why do people believe what your friend did? It occurred to me, and I've said this many, many times, that if you are on the left you get a great deal of social reinforcement, a lot of pats on the back, acceptance for being a self hating American. But it's funny, I hadn't really looked at it from the other perspective. You cannot be accepted in those circles if you are a patriotic American who thinks by and large we have been a great country doing mostly the right thing. I mean that is you are drummed out. That's it's, it's like committing an act of violence, you know, at a social club. That's it. There's no hearing you're gone. That's, that's enormous social pressure for those people.
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Joe Getty
Well, just as a response to your thing for we, we and we can break and I want to get to in the weeds on this, but the big six made all the decisions for Japan. If there was going to be any sort of surrender, they would have to do it. There's no indication anybody in that group wanted to surrender. And five of the six were in the military and they absolutely were into fighting to the last man. So it just was never going to happen.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Right.
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Joe Getty
Anyway, I wanted to get this on on the 5th because I have a feeling tomorrow you'll hear a lot of news from mainstream media pushing the idea that we did something wrong. And I'll be interested to see how that plays on your evening newscast, the Armstrong and Getty Show. Get more Jack, more Joe podcasts and.
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Joe Getty
The Armstrong and Get. Foreign. Do you have a compelling reason for why we the 80 year anniversary of us dropping the bomb on Japan is tomorrow. Do you have a reason why we focus so much more on the the the fighting the Nazis European part of World War II as opposed to the Pacific War?
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
I I don't know that I've perceived that in the same way you did. I've always been into the Pacific War partly because my father in law served there and I've always been acutely aware of it. I don't know, maybe culturally, I don't know.
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Joe Getty
I know factually in terms of movies and books and everything, like the whole European theater dominates and has forever. I think it's because it was just so morally more clear cut. Things got so ugly against the Japanese bit by bit, island by island, where both sides were just so. The book I'm reading read several of them. Twilight of the Gods by Ian Toll, which is considered one of the definitive books on it. He had a story, oh, by the way, we got a text, the Japanese. The text was, it's cute that you think the Japanese surrendered because of the bombs. It was because they knew Russia was coming. There's no documentation about that. If you have a book that says that's true, that's a common narrative, but there's no documentation that that conversation was being had by the big six who made these decisions in Japan. So if you have a different book that says they were, you know, feel free to text me. I'd be interested in reading it.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
For.
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Joe Getty
Instance, on one of the islands and I don't remember which one it was, but this became a common thing. Our marines would come across dead US soldiers who had had their genitals cut off and shoved in their mouth sometimes while they were alive by the Japanese. So the Japanese soldiers would come across a, you know, a wounded Marine, cut off his junk, stick it in his mouth. So we got more and more brutal and it just, it got that way to where it was just like freaking Lord of the Flies, total war. As awful as it could get. Foot by foot, trench by trench in the mud and the blood and your own feces and everything right across the islands. And that's what it was going to be in Japan. And it had a story in there of collecting gold teeth, became a thing. So US soldiers would collect gold teeth. And it had a story in there about one US soldier coming across a wounded but still alive Japanese who he then took his bayonet and started digging in the guy's mouth, trying to pry his teeth out while he's still alive. Some of his fellow US soldiers said, dude, that's not cool. Came up and shot the guy in the head to put him out of his misery. But that's the sort of warfare it was there at the end and it was going to be that times who knows how many thousand on the beaches of Japan if we actually invaded.
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Michael (Co-host with Joe Getty)
Well, and I think Europe got more coverage, partly because a film crew could do what they did, then go back to Paris or London or whatever. And so you can't do that in the islands of the Pacific, Armstrong and Getty and face a crisis. A legend falls in hard times. Bad trucker with a license, bad therapy and a mouthy wench. They covered it all this morning, and tomorrow they'll do even more. The Arms Strong and Getty show the conscience of a nation.
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