Arguments with Friends

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "Arguments with Friends" (May 28, 2025)

In this engaging episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand, hosts Jack Armstrong and Alexis delve into a range of contemporary issues, blending pop culture commentary with incisive critiques of societal trends. The episode weaves through discussions on celebrity health woes, misconduct within elite government circles, the infiltration of "woke" ideologies in education, and the increasing politicization among youth. Below is a detailed breakdown of the episode's key segments, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for deeper insight.

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1. Billy Joel’s Health Crisis and Its Impact on His Career

Timestamp: 03:22 – 05:16

The episode opens with a somber discussion about legendary musician Billy Joel. After cancelling his upcoming concert dates, Joel has been diagnosed with Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus (NPH), a rare brain disorder.

• Jack Armstrong reflects on Joel’s situation:

  "Is he ever going to be able to perform again, do you think? Or is he probably done forever?"
  (03:29)

• Alexis expresses sympathy and questions the impact of lifestyle on such conditions:

  "I've never heard of this disease. Rare brain diseases rarely come from lifestyle, but who knows."
  (04:26)

The hosts lament Joel's predicament, especially highlighting his sustained popularity despite his age, contrasting him with other aging rock stars like Bruce Springsteen and The Rolling Stones who continue to tour actively.

2. Secret Service Agents’ Altercation

Timestamp: 06:23 – 09:23

A surprising incident involving two Secret Service agents escalates into a physical fight, igniting a conversation about professionalism and conduct within elite government roles.

• Alexis narrates the incident humorously:

  "There was a fight over the choice of vehicle, ending up beating each other on the head at 2:30 in the morning in front of Barack Obama's Washington D.C. home."
  (06:42)

• Jack Armstrong critiques the agents' behavior:

  "By definition, you're not Secret Service material if you get in a fight while on duty."
  (07:31)

The hosts debate whether such behavior is indicative of deeper issues within the Secret Service, suggesting that while high-stress roles require certain dispositions, losing control undermines their responsibilities.

3. The Infiltration of "Woke" Ideologies in American Education

Timestamp: 17:18 – 35:03

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to critiquing the rise of "woke" ideologies within the American education system, with a particular focus on the Wauwatosa School District in Wisconsin.

• Jack Armstrong questions the appropriateness of curriculum changes:

  "Kindergartners are learning about genitalia with the help of cartoon drawings. Third graders are informed that no matter their body parts, they may feel like another gender."
  (19:40)

• Alexis condemns the changes as Marxist and detrimental:

  "It's a Marxist effort to raise up race consciousness... The schools are teaching sixth graders about sex positions."
  (19:47)

The hosts further discuss the implementation of restorative justice policies, arguing that lenient disciplinary methods have led to increased bullying and chaos within schools. They highlight additional issues such as racial balancing, elimination of advanced academic tracks, and the closure of high-performing STEM programs.

• Alexis elaborates on policy failures:

  "Disruptive students received treats and games instead of detention, leading to a reputation for permissive discipline and frequent fights."
  (20:38)

The conversation underscores the hosts' concern that progressive educational policies are eroding traditional disciplinary structures and academic excellence.

4. Misuse of Traumatic Incidents in Political Agendas

Timestamp: 22:31 – 25:09

Jack and Alexis examine a controversial case from Connecticut, where a boy was held captive by his stepmother. They argue that activists and teachers' unions are exploiting this tragedy to attack homeschooling, despite systemic failures by state agencies to protect the child.

• Alexis criticizes the narrative manipulation:

  "Activists and teachers unions in Connecticut are trying to make this about homeschooling... the state agency failed to protect him."
  (22:31)

• Jack Armstrong highlights the misuse of the incident for political gain:

  "They are using this as a club to beat homeschoolers with."
  (22:42)

The hosts caution against allowing rare horrific events to be weaponized for broader political attacks, emphasizing that systemic failures should be addressed without targeting unrelated groups unfairly.

5. The Decline of "Woke" Culture and Its Repercussions

Timestamp: 35:03 – 37:33

Transitioning from education, Jack and Alexis discuss the broader cultural shift away from "woke" ideologies, attributing part of this change to former President Donald Trump's policies and rhetoric.

• Jack Armstrong observes the cultural transformation:

  "Trump has shifted the overtson window and the culture away from woke, and it's hard to imagine it shifting back ever again."
  (33:02)

• Alexis echoes this sentiment, lamenting the persistence of woke narratives in schools:

  "They are breeding another generation of warriors."
  (37:25)

The hosts suggest that while political administrations can reverse certain policies, the ingrained nature of woke culture in institutions like education poses ongoing challenges, influencing young minds and societal norms.

6. Political Arguments Among Youth and Parental Concerns

Timestamp: 44:21 – 47:09

A personal anecdote reveals the hosts' frustrations with their children engaging in relentless political debates, reflecting broader societal polarization.

• Jack Armstrong shares his son's behavior:

  "My son got into a political argument... he cannot walk away from a political comment he doesn't agree with."
  (42:44)

• Alexis relates with her own experience:

  "My autistic daughter... got laid off during major layoffs, but there's not much media coverage about it."
  (45:25)

They discuss the implications of raising children in politically charged environments, questioning the impact of education and parental influence on fostering such contentious behaviors.

7. Future of Online Dating and Technology

Timestamp: 47:09 – 48:59

Concluding the episode, the hosts turn their attention to the realm of online dating, specifically addressing Tinder's new leadership and its attempts to revamp the platform to suit newer generations' preferences.

• Jack Armstrong expresses skepticism:

  "I don't see how you're going to change that reality... 10% of the dudes get 90% of the dates."
  (47:09)

• Alexis remains cautiously optimistic:

  "This guy seems very bright and he's recognized a problem. I don't know exactly how you fix that."
  (48:28)

They predict that despite changes, inherent disparities in online dating likely persist, suggesting a future reversion to traditional meeting methods such as workplaces and social gatherings.

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Conclusion

Throughout "Arguments with Friends," Armstrong and Getty provide a critical lens on current societal issues, blending personal anecdotes with broader cultural analysis. Their candid discussions on the infiltration of progressive ideologies in education and the increasing politicization among youth offer listeners a perspective steeped in skepticism towards contemporary shifts. Coupled with reflections on celebrity culture and the evolving landscape of online interactions, the episode presents a multifaceted critique of modern American society.

Notable Quotes:

• "Having done his whole record breaking Madison Square Garden thing that he wrapped up and touring, he's huge."
  — Jack Armstrong (04:13)

• "This is a Marxist effort to raise up race consciousness."
  — Alexis (10:41)

• "Restorative justice is the golden age of being a bully."
  — Jack Armstrong (20:51)

• "If you're putting out new music, it's always interesting to me."
  — Jack Armstrong (04:57)

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the "Arguments with Friends" episode, highlighting the hosts' key discussions and viewpoints while providing contextual depth for listeners who may not have tuned in.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Billy Joel's wife Alexis thanking fans for all of their support amid the piano man's new health struggle.

[Cindy Crawford]

Writing on Instagram, the family is hoping.

[Jack Armstrong]

For his recovery and looks forward to seeing everyone in the future. The 76 year old music legend canceled all of his upcoming concert dates last.

[Cindy Crawford]

Week saying he's been diagnosed with NPH.

[Jack Armstrong]

Normal pressure hydrocephalus, a very rare brain disorder. His ex wife Christie Brinkley saying, you're our piano man. Yeah, I never had heard of that. Billy Joel announced that last week. Is he ever going to be able to perform again, do you think? Or is he probably done forever?

[Alexis]

No idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

He canceled his tour. And what's interesting about him at his age, most stars at that age are doing sort of embarrassing final grasps at money too. He's as popular as he's ever been.

[Alexis]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Having done his whole record breaking Madison Square Garden thing that he wrapped up and touring, he's huge. And it's got to be quite a disappointment. I wonder if it had anything to do with his lifestyle. I don't, I don't know that it did.

[Alexis]

Oh no, I don't, I don't know. I've never heard of this disease. Rare brain diseases rarely come from lifestyle, but who knows. I don't know what I'm talking about. I will tell you this. Yeah, he is not one of those guys going through the motions at this point. I'm always interested in people, whether it's Billy Joel or even Bruce Springsteen who's been so obnoxious lately, or the Rolling Stones who are richer than Croesus of old and certainly can do anything they want. And what they want to do is play. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Particularly if you're not putting out new music. It's always interesting to me if you're. Because Bruce still puts out a new album fairly regularly. So he was writing songs, recording songs, and then wants to get them out there and see how they do, I guess. But if you're going around playing your, your jukebox of greatest hits, it's interesting to me that you're still motivated to do that.

[Alexis]

Yeah. Maybe it's fun. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was listening to Adam Dirt's Accounting Crows on a Thing the other day and he, he's talking about how sick he gets to some of the songs that he's got sing. You know, like, you know, Mr. Jones going out there and I could, I would think like on night four, 30 years later of a week, you know, you might think I can't freaking sing this song again and pretend like I care, but apparently they do.

[Alexis]

Yeah. Yeah. As I've often said of this profession and I've got important stuff to get to here, but we'll get to it eventually. You know, a lot of people get into this business or the big media companies and executives think like a David Lee Roth can take over for a Howard Stern or people start podcasts all the time and it's fine, go ahead, you should. It's, it's fun, it's interesting, challenging. But you know, go ahead, do that first show, then do the second show now tell me what you're going to do on the 250th show. That's when it gets to be. It's a job. And yeah, playing Mr. Jones, 30 years later, his job, it's not joy, it's what you do for a living.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if you don't need the money. So that's where the question comes in. Yeah.

[Alexis]

Yeah. Anyway, so one more note on the Secret Service cat fight which we were describing at the end of last hour. This is two Secret Service gals who went to beating on each other. Well, not quite beating on each other. Just short of it, they were wrestling and shoving.

[Jack Armstrong]

I want to know if it was.

[Alexis]

A claiming to be ready to whoop each other's ass.

[Jack Armstrong]

I want to know if it was over professional stuff. No, you're not. You're not keeping an eye on segment quadrant four, isis. Could he get in or was over.

[Alexis]

A dude or something? Did you just say I need a bigger size of uniform pants? Is that what you just said?

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait a second. You're going out with Jim Friday night. What?

[Alexis]

A source said that a fight broke out after the officer arrived in a Dodge Durango rather than a Ford Explorer, which was allegedly requested by the agent who was about to clock off. So they griping at each other over choice of vehicle and about ended up beating each other on the head at 2:30 in the morning in front of Barack Obama's Washington D.C. home. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think by definition you're not Secret Service material. If while on duty the two of you get in a fight.

[Alexis]

Yeah, I Would agree. I would agree. You get to walk away. Please.

[Jack Armstrong]

You get in a fight at the bar later. As we have talked about many times, the sort of person they're probably. They probably came up through the military. I don't know this, but often they do. You're the kind of person that does that. Those kind of people are pretty high strung and like to fight. Good. That's the kind of person you want, perhaps. But if you can't not do it when you're on duty.

[Alexis]

Yeah, right. Yeah, agreed. Completely. So as I look at the clock, I think we need to break on time for once in our lives and then do what we're going to do after the break, which is fine. Have something else important to squeeze in this segment.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just saw, I just saw the video. Finally. Yeah, they. They were very close to full on. Beating each other's brains out.

[Alexis]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I do want to later get into the whole Tinder's got a new CEO and they're going to change their whole online dating thing because this next generation generation is different. I want to talk a little more about that Because I think it's pretty interesting. Among other things and everything. Joe teased.

[Alexis]

That's right. So it is a very, very common technique of conquest, of takeover that you co opt the holidays of the culture that you're trying to take over. Christianity did it with the various pagan festivals in the winter, spring and. And in an effort to spread Christianity. It's, it's fair game. But you have to understand that's what's thing. It's a tool of conquest. With that, I give you Mayor Brandon Johnson on Memorial Day. Hello, I am Mayor Brandon Johnson and I am proud to join you in recognizing and celebrating Africa Day.

[Jack Armstrong]

The continent of Africa is made up of 1.2 billion people with diverse countries.

[Alexis]

Full of rich traditions, cultures and heritage. The African dynasty failing. Mayor of Chicago is doing that.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was Monday on Memorial Day.

[Alexis]

That was all right. Checking my calendar here. You're a stickler for accuracy. It was on Sunday.

[Jack Armstrong]

But. But he's talking about Memorial Day.

[Alexis]

Memorial Day weekend.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, yeah.

[Alexis]

Wow. It's Africa Day. We're all celebrating Africa Day. It's absolutely a Marxist effort to raise up race consciousness. Because it's not workers of the world unite. It's black people and trans people and queer people in whatever of the world unite now in Marxism, an effort to co opt Memorial Day weekend into Africa Day. It's disgusting. Which brings us to a persistent and important question. How pervasive is the whole woke thing in education right now? Is it just California, Oregon and Connecticut or not? We will answer that question coming up next. Armstrong and Getty.

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[Alexis]

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[Alexis]

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[Alexis]

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[Alexis]

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[Alexis]

Roughly zero political arguments, but likewise 17.

[Jack Armstrong]

And 19 and maybe even 25. I mean, but politics all the time, Everywhere, every age. Now. More on that later.

[Alexis]

We mentioned earlier, perhaps you were here, that the state of California has come up with a pathetic transitional policy for high school sports where there could be three winners of sporting events. The girls winner, the boys winner and the transgender boy who's pretending to be a girl winner because they've realized it's just utterly untenable and everybody hates it that when a dude whoops up on the girls in sports and stands there holding I'm number one as they receive the medal and denying the record, the medal, the scholarship, whatever, to a natural girl. Anyway, we're talking about that later. Yeah, sure. We'll get back into that later.

[Jack Armstrong]

I have comments.

[Alexis]

Okay, yeah, but I thought this was really interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

As someone who is beshlonged, I have comments.

[Alexis]

Elegant, I'm reasonably self aware. And I understand that some people think the stories about the crazy woke education thing might be nut picking, overstated or that's happening in a couple of wacky school districts. Great piece by Daniel Buck. Yeah, yeah baby.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's, that's true.

[Alexis]

One question persists in American education. How pervasive are the stories of kindergartners learning about transgenderism or high schoolers waving Hamas flags and hallways?

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder about that a lot because I live in like one of the leading school districts in America for this sort of progressive stuff. So I always wonder what it's like for the rest of the country.

[Alexis]

Well, and interestingly enough, my kids grew up about an hour 45 minute drive from where Jack's kids are growing. Up at a very cons in a very conservative part of California, the school district of which has swung way left in the last 10 years. But he points out, among the 4 million teachers in the US there will inevitably be cranks and ideologues who try to turn the classroom into a pulpit. Examination of a typical American school district in a typical American town reveals that the progressive mismanagement of school districts extends beyond the dark blue borders of San Francisco and Portland, Oregon. They look at Wawatosa, Wisconsin, a suburb of Milwaukee, about as average as it gets politically split, very average midwestern median home value, middle class. In other words, Wauwatosa is that fabled real America. What happens in San Francisco may be an outlier, but what happens in Wauwatosa likely happens in countless other districts. So what happens there? Well, three years ago, the Wawatosa school board approved a new sex education curriculum, among other things, that expect sixth graders to define different types of sexual intercourse.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my. Kindergartners learn about genitalia past the whoever threw out the bad idea phase. How does it get actually to all the steps you have to go before this ends up in a classroom?

[Molly Roberts]

Good freaking God.

[Alexis]

I didn't even get halfway through the list. Well, let's see. The kids. Kindergartners are learning about genitalia with the help of cartoon drawings. Third graders are informed that no matter their body parts, they may feel like.

[Jack Armstrong]

Another gender, just like the founding fathers intended. The schools are teaching sixth graders about sex positions.

[Alexis]

Notably, the newly adopted units are based on the national sex education standards, which encourage teaching third graders about puberty blockers. That's right. Third graders need to know about puberty blockers and how to get them. Sixth graders need to know about abortions and how to get them. And students as young as kindergarten need to know about gender identity.

[Jack Armstrong]

Obviously, this explains my son getting into political arguments at age 13, because this stuff comes up in class all the time.

[Alexis]

Well, and to that point, the red flags appear in more than the curriculum. Wauwatosa is one of thousands of districts to have adopted a restorative justice policy. Useless, isn't. This is an alternative to traditional discipline structures that emphasize dialogue over punishment and focuses on revising school policy rather than changing student behavior, which I have called.

[Jack Armstrong]

The golden age of bullying. While we have more first ladies spouting speeches and PSAs on the radio about ending bullying, restorative justice is the golden age of being a bully.

[Alexis]

Oh, yeah, it's great. There are no repercussions. And in fact, this school district retained A consultant to investigate, you know, that sort of thing and to make it better. And the final report, dated May 9, reveals just a couple weeks ago that disruptive students received treats in the form of food and beverages and a chance to play games in the office instead of a standard detention. To no one's surprise, Wauwatosa schools have developed a reputation for permissive discipline and frequent fights. That chaos results. The chaos that results from leniency has led to more expulsion notices than is typical. And then this author goes into various other racial balancing moves. Elimination of high achievement programs. They closed a high performing STEM school in the district. I mean, the list goes on and on. Eliminating advanced math tracks, consolidating high school algebra, offering sixth graders a chance to do accelerated coursework. This is the highly problematic.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is the equity part of dei, right?

[Alexis]

Exactly. Yeah. And you know, this is a guy who's a fellow for the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty. But there it is in the heartland of America, this stuff running wild. And a final note. Final ish. A story out of Connecticut. You remember that horrifying deal where the guy was held prisoner in his home for years and years till he lit his room on fire and escaped? Where his the house where his stepmother allegedly held him captive and starved him for decades?

[Jack Armstrong]

Horrible story.

[Alexis]

Activists and teachers unions in Connecticut are trying to make this about homeschooling. Oh, because if he'd been at school, the teachers could have observed it and reported it. Here's the truth though. This kid was in school for a long time being starved and beaten with obvious signs of it. Obvious documented over and over again. And the state agency in charge of protecting kids failed over and over again to protect him. But they're using this as a club to beat homeschoolers with. Utterly inexplicable. If you think these monsters are going to give up their turf easily, these cultists and greed heads at the teachers unions, you are just so wrong. Final note. The Supreme Court temporarily restored the right of a duly elected Maine lawmaker to speak and vote in the state House. She was censured over a Facebook post that included photos of a transgender high school athlete. She said, this isn't right. Particular sports. And so the way left Maine legislature censured her and told her, you don't get to vote on legislation anymore. The Supreme Court response was was swift and decisive, saying, no, this is all squarely, completely, horrifyingly, clearly inside the first Amendment. Stop it Maine. These people are nuts and we're going to have to fight them for a Long time. Back to you.

[Jack Armstrong]

I get so frustrated with. So my. My youngest takes one class at the. In the school district right now. Anyway, he was talking about how the kids are on their phones all the time, how they. They had a little quiz in line and some of the kids didn't know the answers to some simple questions. And he said, they're on their phones all the time. I said, well, doesn't the teacher do anything about it? And he said, well, the teacher announces every once in a while, you're not allowed to look at your phone, but the kids do anyway. And I just. I. That made me insane. I mean, I was so upset by that. I said to my son, I said, that's so easily solved. You can solve it in like a minute. If you look at your phone again, I'm taking it. And when the kid gets out their phone, you take it. The end. Then no more kids do it for the rest of the year.

[Alexis]

Problem solved. Ideology can blind people to the most obvious and massive truths.

[Jack Armstrong]

I guess that's some sort of horrifying. Afraid to discipline kids or they'll get sued or the t. I don't even know what that is. Yeah, I know that.

[Alexis]

Well, once you go down the progressive road, yes. That's the sort of problem you're inviting. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that makes me insane. I know. That's a problem all over the country. Good lord. A bunch of that stuff that we talked about earlier. We will get to stay here.

[Alexis]

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[Drew Goins]

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[Molly Roberts]

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[Alexis]

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[Alexis]

Olympic legend Mary Lou Retton was arrested for DUI in West Virginia. I know she blew up 08 would have been a.09, but the cop was from East Germany. That's a good old timey Olympic joke. I was just reading in the journal about this. This lawyer on in the Hamptons. I think one of those east coast rich guy enclaves that he makes pretty good living year round. But in the three months of the summer he does big time DUI cases all summer long and rakes in high six figures. He's the guy represented Justin Timberlake.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh really? And probably Mary Lou Retton now because.

[Alexis]

She was in several other stars.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, she made a lot of money. She was a big giant gold medal winning on the Wheaties box. Household name way back in the day. Because she's 57 now. All around gold gymnast winner. I wonder. So she's not famous enough to get out of a DUI at this point. And maybe she didn't want to, you know, she didn't have to do the don't you know who I am? Or drop her name. She should have jumped in the air, done a little somersault, landed on the hood of her car with her legs splayed out, right? And said ring a Bell, huh?

[Alexis]

What, no walk heel to toe? How about this? Well, she got arrested and charged. That doesn't mean she's going to pay for it. She hires this guy, she probably will plead it down to a traffic ticket.

[Jack Armstrong]

Although if you're famous, you'd like to avoid the whole I've heard the story 8,000 times in the last week situation if you can. I thought you might like this. If you're a Trump fan, you'll probably like this. Maybe if you're a Trump hater, it'll be a good reminder for you. So Mark Halperin writing in his newsletter today. He's breaking down all of the different news stories we got going on at the same time into different categories of incompletes, completes or achievements that Donald Trump has actually done. I'll read how he's categorizing these things that I'm about to list off. Some achievements for America that are clearly net, net good and the fulfillment of clear campaign promises that are much more popular than the dominant media and the Democrats seem to appreciate, even if there are some downsides to them. And at minimum, the final chapters are not written yet. And here's a list of some of the things that have occurred, he says. Here's my score guard and the big ones in that category Naito members of NATO on track to contribute 5% of their GDP to the alliance. It did not happen by accident, writes Mark Albert. Huge win, huge win and was never going to happen unless you made the kind of noises about NATO that Trump made and got killed for in the mainstream media of not believing in the most important alliance in world history and all this different sort of stuff. He's undermining NATO, but they are going to now. They used to have to contribute 2% and they didn't. And nobody held their feet to the fire on that. Now they're going to have to contribute 5% and people are going to be paying attention. That's a big deal. Second one he puts she as in President Xi. Using the stick of tariffs to get the Chinese dictator to see the pain he might have in his future has given this American president more leverage over his Beijing counterpart than any of his recent predecessors have had.

[Alexis]

Number three, I would call it kind of incomplete. It's still ongoing, but his point is a good one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, this one is the squishiest one to me. Remaking trade Trump now has the potential to use America's unmatched leverage to secure more favorable trade terms with nations around the world, even as the markets are now in on the joke and have priced it all in. I like that part. That does seem to be the case where the markets have decided oh, oh, I can't. I get it. You will push and push and then you'll back up. Okay, well never mind then. Markets go up well, right.

[Alexis]

So the recent vow of 50% tariffs against Europe who in Trump's defense are incredibly frustrating to to negotiate with the markets and the big money guys said oh, 50%.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good one, good one.

[Alexis]

Yeah, tell those heroes.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is the number one for me in terms of what Halperin wrote about. Even if the dominant media doesn't want to talk about it. These are hugely popular with the vast amount of America. Number four in the list, securing the U. S. Mexico border. Nuff said. Yes, no doubt.

[Alexis]

Yes. Historic, gigantic King Kong sized win.

[Jack Armstrong]

Doge. I like this. The culture of government has now fundamentally changed where eliminating jobs programs and some inefficiencies is a higher priority than maintaining the status quo. Interesting.

[Alexis]

Just please water that delicate little flower Maha.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's make America healthy again. There's never been an administration that has put public health for all, especially children, as direct, directly front and center. I don't know. I mean I really think that's an incomplete.

[Alexis]

Yeah, but at least discussions are being had about ultra processed foods and diet and obesity and true sort of stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

True, but this is one I really wanted to get to. And he writes the longest about reversing the momentum of woke. Rich Lowry writing a column about that for National Review. Trump has shifted the overtson window and the culture away from woke and it's hard to imagine it shifting all the way back ever again. Corporations aren't going to play ball again the way they did after the death of George Floyd. Trump could well lose his legal battle with Harvard and other schools, but they've admitted they need to change. DEI and other race conscious policies may go subterranean under different rubrics, although that in itself is a sign of their weakness. True, Black lives matter has been discredited by scandal and anti racism now feels more like a relic than a hot new thing. But I'll tell you who hasn't given up on the Black Lives Matter thing is your non denominational we're not really Christian churches. I know two of them that have the giant Black lives matter banners on the churches and the big sign out front like what are you talking about? You can be in favor of that notion, but that movement one they were all crooks too. Even if they weren't crooks, they were Marxist. Of course most Marxists turn out to be crooks. That's one of the problems with Marxism.

[Alexis]

Whoa.

[Jack Armstrong]

They were crooks. Do you not read the paper? You've got a. You've got a giant banner on your church. I saw this in San Francisco and in my town. Giant banner on your church for an organization where they raised money off you crying crocodile tears, claiming they're helping downtrodden black people and they bought houses with that money. You want to represent that organization? Are you crazy?

[Alexis]

I think they would tell you, well, that was the national organization our local Black Lives Matter is doing great work for anti racism, but they still are are down with that post modern view of race relations, which is poisonous, insidious and racist.

[Jack Armstrong]

Back to the Trump killing woke. Trump's executive orders and funding decisions can eventually be reversed. But re radicalizing every institution in America will be difficult for any future Democratic president. Shrewd, ambitious Democrats realize how the ground is shifting even if the left of the party isn't going away. I think that's true. You were talking yesterday about Rahm Emanuel maybe running Bill Maher constantly talking about on his, his HBO show about how they need a Democrat who isn't all woke. Recognizing of elites on the left that those days are over. And they are over.

[Alexis]

You have a very small, very vocal radical element within your ranks. You will not live with that infection. Democrats. Rahm Emanuel's 100% right. The brand, the Democratic brand is viewed as toxic and woke. It'll be interesting to see whether he and his ilk run win the day. You know, I would love to see it. Not that, you know, Rahm Emanuel is some saint, but I just need the radical left to go away forever. Then we can wrestle over, you know, policies a little right, a little left, and go back to something close to normal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I think we're definitely beyond peak woke and never and it's not coming back in my lifetime, which I'm very happy for. I mean, that that was a scary period there for about a year or two where it seemed like everything had completely gone nuts, right?

[Alexis]

And nobody was recognizing that the emperor not only had no clothes, but that he was a vicious racist and was ruining people's lives. If they dared speak out at all against the campaign of terror, whether it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was mostly peaceful protesting as businesses were burned and looted and everybody pretended that was okay, or all the trans stuff where you couldn't even hint at you disagreed with it or it would ruin your career, Right? Oh, my God, that was nutso. And then all the microaggression stuff and the pronouns and the. Just all that stuff that had its moment and thank God it's over.

[Alexis]

All right. Sobering note. And you know how I hate to be sober. They're still teaching your little kids this every single day in school. They are breeding another generation of warriors.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was about to say it's not over in a fifth grade classroom, right? Practically everywhere.

[Alexis]

Which fight this s folks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which reminds me of a political discussion my son got into yesterday, which was a bit of a problem. Among other things. We need to talk about Medicare. Yeah. Yep, yep. Cutbacks in Medicare. He is staunchly against or for. I don't remember which. No, we got more stuff on the way. Stay here.

[Alexis]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Alexis]

And I'm Drew Goins. Each Friday on Impromptu, we talk through the questions we can't stop thinking about.

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Do we need to rethink how much we drink?

[Alexis]

Why are companies really asking workers to.

[Drew Goins]

Come back to the office?

[Molly Roberts]

Does boycotting a business actually work?

[Alexis]

Should we quit social media?

[Molly Roberts]

We're here when the news gets personal and the headlines hit home.

[Alexis]

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[Molly Roberts]

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[Alexis]

So good.

[Drew Goins]

Your bill, ladies.

[Jack Armstrong]

I got it.

[Molly Roberts]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Molly Roberts]

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No.

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It's the end of an era. For free checked bags on Southwest Airlines, the airline will charge many passengers to check luggage for the first time in over a half a century. Customers can expect to pay $35 for their first checked bag and $45 for the second. I've seen this story everywhere today. I have to assume it's a big deal for a lot of you. And that was the appeal of Southwest Airlines. I check bag, like once a year, so it just. It means nothing to me. But it's getting coverage like it's significant, I guess.

[Alexis]

Yeah, I guess so. I. I generally try not to check bags. When I do. It's liberating just to have a little backpack.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is.

[Alexis]

Whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Going through the airport, I'll admit, whenever I do it, I think this is kind of nice. I'm just walking around, my hands free with my cup of coffee. Two things I wanted to get to. Oh, one, I just saw get your tickets now for Dead and Company playing at Golden Gate park in San Francisco. I paid a lot of money to see Dead and Company's final concert. It's a final. If you're a Grateful Dead, it's a final chance to see Bob Weir and the other people, John Mayer ever play ever in history. And we packed the place and it was expensive, but it was cool. It was worth it. It was a historic moment. And they've played roughly 180 times since then in the last two years. I mean, it's not even one of those comeback years later. They like a week later played. It was the worst final concert I've ever seen. Worst effort at even trying to conceal that. Nice money grab, guys. The only thing I can think is that maybe Bob, where he's a current lead singer, really of. Of Dead, the Grateful Dead act, that he had some serious health problems and maybe he overcame them or got better or something. That's the only thing I can think because he looked horrible. And I thought, okay, that's why they're quitting.

[Alexis]

He's old as the hills.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. I don't know how he can play, he can barely walk.

[Alexis]

Two other things to Mick Jagger as the kid, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I won't go into a lot of detail on this because I don't want to get anybody in trouble, including my son. But he got into a, gets into political arguments all the time. He cannot walk away from a political comment he doesn't agree with. And I talked to him about that quite a bit last night. I said I do it all the time. I said people say things all the time that make me crazy. And I just let it go. And the main reason is it makes me happier than to get into an argument with him because he was talking about how it just makes me mad. And I said, but, but you're madder now because of the argument you engaged in than if you'd have just let him say it it. And I understand the downside of that. You don't want an ideology to win because nobody ever pushes back or whatever, but.

[Alexis]

Or smugly obnoxious people to get away with their smug obnoxiousness.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if you engage all the time, especially when you live in California, you're going to spend all day, every day arguing and mad. And it's just that there's no way to live. You're rarely going to change anybody's point of view. But anyway, they were on a boy scout march and they marched past a bunch of Tesla Chargers and several of of the scouts got into. We used to drive a Tesla, be sold it because we hate Elon Musk and Trump and Elon and Trump and Elon and how much they hate him and everything like that. My son was pushing back hard on that sort of stuff. But I just like, I was just more amazed that this is a thing that was never going to be. When I was his age, there was no chance I was going to like walk by a cornfield and say, farm somebody's subsidies Jimmy Carter, don't you hate and then start an argument with somebody. It just wasn't going to happen.

[Alexis]

Boy, it's so crazy. You're right. Young teenagers getting in political arguments all the time. Yikes. What have we done to our children?

[Jack Armstrong]

And he said, one of the kids, he said, Elon Musk recommended the firing of a mom who had been working in this government and she was a single mom. And I thought, wow, you even have the granular, granular details on your argument for how you hate Elon Musk as a 13 year old. What is going on in this country?

[Alexis]

Wow. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I had to tell my Son. You know, single moms with kids who have worked someplace a long time get fired all the time from non government jobs and nobody seems to care. Yeah, it's just part of the deal. Sometimes you get fired.

[Alexis]

My autistic daughter or daughter very high functioning. There's just a big layoff at her company and she got laid off with a bunch of other people. It's more or less a disaster, but I'm not seeing a lot of headlines about it. By the way, if you're in the Tacoma area and need a hard worker, reach out to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Perfect example. How long should you work there? How hard was she trying? Your daughter? How was she trying?

[Alexis]

Always showed up.

[Jack Armstrong]

How important was this job to her?

[Alexis]

All that sort of stuff that they say, life sustaining.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anytime a government worker, they were counting on this job for their summer. What are your summer vacations plans going to be now? I don't even know if we're going to be able to feed ourselves, let alone a summer vacation. Back to you, Jim. Yeah, that's true when people lose their jobs in the private sector too. But you only report on it if it's a government job, Right?

[Alexis]

Makes me nuts the whole the kids having all those talking points. I know a political hey, that's gotta be coming from their teachers. I mean their parents too, because you live in a very activist area. But the teachers are politicizing the kids because they want them on their side of politics. I'm telling you, public slash government schools are diseased.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't actually know what it's like in the household of the average progressive family. But I don't talk politics at home. Now part of it might be because I got this job and I don't know, my parents didn't talk politics much at home, so I don't, no, I.

[Alexis]

Would ask questions but they would, you know, try to answer it in a fairly even handed way. And I would go back to playing baseball all day long and chasing girls later.

[Jack Armstrong]

And even with my point of view, if I ever do talk politics, I prevent, I present both sides and then why I lean one direction. Oh my God. Yeah, that, that like having that MSNBC screed ready to go as a kid.

[Alexis]

It's just what the hell, We've got to have the kids. We've got to get the kids signed. Every radical movement and dictator in human history.

[Jack Armstrong]

One more thing I want to get to. So I mentioned last hour that Tinder has got a new person running it and they want to change their, the way they do their dating app because it's not working for the new generation which is not as interested in the hookup culture they claim. Blah blah blah blah blah. Here's what I think is going to be the problem. Like and I have no personal experience in dating apps. I've never tried it or anything like that online dating. But from what I hear from people and what I've read about it, but I don't see how you're going to change this reality. 10% of the dudes get 90% of the dates. The 10% either best looking or combination of looks and talking or whatever get 90% of the dates. And most of them aren't interested in a relationship though they're good pretending they are and then they do their thing and move on. There's no way you can change that. I don't care what your what your app does, that's going to be true just over and over again. That's why people are leaving the apps. Based on everything I hear from conversations and what I read is that they've caught on to that. That's just the way it works.

[Alexis]

Yeah, I mean this guy seems very bright and he's recognized a problem. I don't know exactly how you fix that, different features, products within the app, etc. But I don't know. I wish him luck.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't see how you're going to fix that reality. Wouldn't it be something though, and this might be happen, that online dating had its moment for a decade or so and then it goes back to that doesn't work. Everybody lies, et cetera, et cetera. I'm going to go back to meeting somebody at work or church or, you know, college or through friends, at a backyard barbecue, etc.

[Alexis]

I recommend it highly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, if you missed a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand, Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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