Brothels, Disease & Architecture

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Brothels, Disease & Architecture
Date: September 2, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty return from vacation with fresh perspectives on the week’s big headlines, political theatrics, and cultural oddities. The episode weaves through national debates over law and order, media trust, the pessimism shaping American attitudes, experiences of travel in England, and the generational shift in optimism. As always, the duo delivers their unique mix of sharp commentary, sardonic humor, and personal anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. National Guard, Urban Crime, and Political Theater

• Opening with the Mayor of Chicago’s impassioned call to defend the city as Trump sends National Guard troops to Chicago ([03:26]).
• Debate over the effectiveness and legality of National Guard deployments for urban crime:
  • Joe Getty points out the disconnect between political rhetoric and the lived reality of violence.
  • Jack Armstrong observes how most Americans just hear the high-level headlines, not legal details or nuance.
• Critique of political posturing around “law and order”:
  • Trump’s actions and executive orders (e.g., on flag burning) analyzed as performative gestures, not substantive changes ([10:38]).
  • Both hosts liken this to Biden and student loan forgiveness—designed for headlines without real impact.
• Notable quote:

  “I just think it’s absolutely going to be a net win for Law and Order politically... Most people won’t even ever hear that headline, let alone care about it if they do. People like Law and Order.”
  —Jack Armstrong ([08:52])

2. Media, Messaging, and Public Perception

• Media’s role in amplifying or distorting news, with specific critique of their approach to crime statistics ([05:43], [09:20]):
  • ABC’s coverage, according to Joe Getty, “took great pains to point out that violence is actually down and Trump is out of line.”
  • Armstrong and Getty stress the importance of recognizing media incentives:

    “You just have to start looking at the media like you look at those guys [selling timeshares at the airport]... Here’s some scumbags come to take my money and I think we need to realize that’s where our media is to a large extent.”
    —Joe Getty ([15:12])

3. Vacation Reflections: England and American Roots

• Armstrong recounts a trip to Iowa, visiting his father’s one-room schoolhouse, highlighting generational changes ([20:28], [26:26]).
• Joe Getty, a self-professed “Anglophile,” describes his London experience, focusing on street-level history:

  “Kings and queens, wars, churches, disease, pollution, crime. More wars, floods and fires. Another war, several more kings and brothels. Lots of brothels. That’s pretty much your big city tour.”
  —Joe Getty ([22:29])

• Discussion of the British Museum:
  • Recognition of controversy over the acquisition of artifacts.
  • Defense of the museum’s role in preservation, despite “modern woke takes” on cultural heritage ([24:06]):

    “There are many stories where some of the most incredible and important of their discoveries, nobody gave a crap right in that country, especially at the time. It would have been destroyed or just lost. The British were like, this is really important.”
    —Joe Getty

4. Generational Pessimism and the “American Dream” Crisis

• Wall Street Journal/NORC poll: Only 25% of Americans believe they have a good chance of improving their standard of living ([30:19]).
• Armstrong and Getty dissect the roots of growing pessimism:
  • Jack laments the shift from survival concerns (what to eat, how to keep warm) to existential economic anxiety.
  • Joe challenges the basis for the “American Dream” as a perpetual upward trajectory:

    “Is the American assumption that every generation will be better off than the previous... realistic in the 21st century? I would argue it’s not.”
    —Joe Getty ([31:22])

• Strong concern over the loss of faith in hard work:
  • Only 30% of respondents believe hard work leads to getting ahead.
  • Jack:

    “If you don’t believe it’s true, you’re using it as an excuse to not try hard. That’s what I believe.” ([33:51])

  • Joe warns about “defeatism” and the dangers of telling a generation they cannot succeed ([34:38]).

5. Sardonic Cultural Commentary & Humor

• NFL’s heaviest player cut by the Buccaneers leads to an edgy joke segment ([28:53]).
• British political trends: Proposal to allow children (16- and 17-year-olds) to vote, clear strategic intent, and polling divides between boys and girls ([29:44], [43:18]).
• Armstrong’s Cracker Barrel tangent: Reflects on the viral backlash to rebranding and the triangle peg game’s new, more “positive” messaging ([47:53]).
• Mock exasperation at celebrity news saturation—Taylor Swift’s engagement and social media dominance ([47:21]):

  “We got a full hour dedicated to Travis and Taylor getting married... Kill me.”
  —Joe Getty ([43:31])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Political Theater:
  “Trump gets the whole I’m against flag burning win while not actually violating anybody’s rights.” —Jack Armstrong ([10:38])

• On Media Skepticism:
  “You just have to start looking at the media like you look at those guys [selling timeshares]... Here’s some scumbags come to take my money.” —Joe Getty ([15:12])

• On British Museum:
  “It has the most incredible collection of antiquities, like prehistoric and like the dawn of history stuff... the oldest writing ever found on earth. You can look at it with your beady eyes.” —Joe Getty ([23:42])

• On Generational Expectations:
  “How could you craft any system where you could always expect your kids to do better than you?” —Jack Armstrong ([32:03])

• On American Optimism:
  “One of our superpowers as a country is our relentless optimism. It is the fuel for entrepreneurship and other exceptional achievements.”
  —Joe Getty, paraphrasing a Stanford economist ([36:54])

• On Cracker Barrel & Social Trends:
  “The new triangle thing, it’s all positive stuff... Like, one, nice job. Two, still a nice job. Three, try better. Number four, you’re still, we still love you...”
  —Jack Armstrong ([49:53])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:26] Chicago mayor’s response; National Guard controversy begins
• [04:35] Armstrong and Getty’s discussion of crime statistics and media framing
• [08:05] Insight into the disconnect between political messaging and lived reality
• [11:06] Flag burning executive order analyzed
• [15:12] Commentary on media credibility and skepticism
• [20:28] Armstrong’s Iowa trip; reflections on generational change
• [22:29] Getty’s humorous summary of London’s history
• [23:41] British Museum visit; artifact controversy
• [30:19] Wall St. Journal/NORC polling on pessimism
• [33:51] Debate over the validity and consequences of hard work beliefs
• [40:43] Quotes from Bruce Springsteen on the “lie of hard work”
• [47:21] Taylor Swift engagement and viral culture
• [47:53] Cracker Barrel triangle game goes woke
• [51:37] Cracker Barrel’s brand controversy and customer loyalty

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Closing Thoughts

This episode delivers classic Armstrong & Getty: brisk, irreverent, and packed with both cultural observation and social critique. The hosts oscillate between world-weariness and calls for renewed realism and optimism—always with a jab or laugh never far away. Whether you’re catching up on the National Guard in cities, pondering the state of the “American Dream,” or just want to know why Cracker Barrel is suddenly controversial, this episode offers bite-sized (and sometimes bracing) takes on the state of the nation and the state of mind.

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[Jack Armstrong]

The Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and get it. Are you prepared to defend this land? This land that was built by slaves, A land that was built by indigenous people, A land that is built by workers? Are you prepared to defend this land? The people united will always prevail. I need you all to stand firm, to stand strong.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the mayor of Chicago on news that, yeah, looks like Trump is going to send National Guard troops to Chicago. Uh, now a federal judge has just ruled like, like in the last hour that Trump violated a law sending National Guard troops to Los Angeles. But we'll, we'll ignore that and, and focus on Chicago. So that's the mayor. Boy, that's. If there ends up being violence, that that clip ought to be replayed. Are you prepared to defend your land.

[Joe Getty]

A land built by slaves and indigenous people? You know, I grew up in Chicagoland and I don't think there was a great deal of slave labor that built Chicago. I'm pretty sure it was a bunch of poor white people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, not, no offense to anybody, what.

[Joe Getty]

A moron Brandon Johnson is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, so here's one of the interesting things about going on vacation. It gives us a chance to take in the news the way some of you do or a lot of America does, where. Because I'm, I wasn't paying that close attention. So I see a headline here and there, I hear a phrase here and there, but I'm not doing a deep dive. And all I heard over the weekend was 50 some people shot in Chicago.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, that was a pretty good Labor Day weekend. Actually.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's down 50 some people shot in Chicago. So I just think overall that like, the message coming out to people who are barely paying attention is, geez, did you hear 50 people were shot and seven people are dead in Chicago from one weekend. And did you hear Trump sending the National Guard? That's all most people are ever going to Hear. How do you think that's going to poll? I think it's going to poll pretty well.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I absolutely think it will. It's absolutely horrific. It was funny. I was watching ABC or looking at ABC News account of this and they, you know, they recounted the utterly astounding numbers and then took great pains to point out that violence is actually down and Trump is out of line and it's terrible and he's a dictator and.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'S like how many dozens of people.

[Joe Getty]

Need to be gunned down in the streets before you think this is an unpleasant way to live?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you're looking at it from the reality on the ground, which is one way to look at it. I'm looking at it just from the politics. Just like the 30,000 foot politics. How do you think that is working for you? The whole DC Is not dangerous. Chicago's not dangerous. L A is not dangerous. Screaming that to people. Do you think that that's what most people believe or are feeling? How are you so on the wrong side of this issue? So to that I thought this was interesting on News Nation today where the host was asking, I don't know some guest about how it's worked out in the couple of weeks that there have been National Guard troops on the ground in Washington D.C. here's a little of that.

[Joe Getty]

Is there any way that to what we're seeing in D.C. but many leaders, locals here, you know, we heard this in the protests yester yesterday, say that why not send federal funding for things like youth outreach, crime prevention programs instead. Is there any way that both sides could meet in the middle on something like this?

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. Community outreach, funds for the community, those things help. The fact is that a lot of this violence is happening in poorer neighborhoods. But you know, when you send the resources like I mean that one, I'm sorry, I don't think this is what I thought it was. So this was. They asked a guy on there about how things have gone in Washington D.C. in the couple of weeks they've had National Guard troops there. And he listed all the statistics on how break ins are down 180%. There wasn't a murder for the first time in I don't know how many years in one week that the National Guard troops there, all the crime being down, down, down. And so the various Democratic politicians can go around yelling about crime is down from last year. We don't need the troops. All you want but I just don't think that's what is going to resonate with people. Right.

[Joe Getty]

I would agree Completely. It's one more example of where the messaging from the professional or activist class is completely divorced from people's lives. I mean, how many, you know, fairly brave Democrats stood up and said, yeah, look, the stats and all, I'm familiar with them, but it's unsafe and I'm scared all the time and I don't like living like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

That's the way normal human beings look at it. Now, is, is Trump allowed to send the National Guard long term solution? You know, what are the legal. These are all fairly interesting questions, but the knee jerk rejection of it is just. Well, it's Trump derangement syndrome, I think. Plus just this delusional need to, for, for Trump to be wrong about everything. And he's wrong about plenty, but he's not wrong about this.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. And then again, politically, at 30,000ft, I just, I just think it's absolutely going to be a net win for Law and Order politically over whether a federal judge says you violated the 1875 something or other act by sending National Guard troops. Most people won't even ever hear that headline, let alone care about it if they do. People like Law and Order.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah. And the proof is, what headlines have you seen out of D.C. lately about, you know, rogue guardsmen running roughshod over the populace or brutality or them, you know, eating in restaurants and not paying or whatever? Nothing. Nothing. But, yeah, there's, there's no crime because, you know, the bad guys look around, think, yeah, not here, not now.

[Jack Armstrong]

So an interesting angle to this. Another thing that happened while we were gone and I, I don't, I don't like where our politics are right now. Does anybody? This has been headed this way with many presidents in a row now, but for instance, Trump signed an executive order about flag burning a week ago, which got headlines, as you would expect. Outlaw, you know, they're gonna arrest people for flag burning. Except for the actual executive order, I mean, if you read the details of it, says specifically, we will not violate First Amendment rights or any court rulings around this. We'll only arrest you if you're committing a different crime. So basically it says, we aren't gonna arrest you for burning the flag. Um, we can't and we won't, but it got the overall veneer of we're gonna crack down on flag burning. People hate flag burning. The polling on that has been very consistent for many, many years. People do not like flag burning. So Trump gets the whole I'm against flag burning win while not actually violating anybody's rights. There are going to be people guaranteed Democrats burning flags to try to thumb in the eye. That will be on TV at night. You'll see the evening news with people burning flags. The evening newscast will think everybody's a progressive like them and are happy about it. But that's not real. Most of America sees flag burning hippies and hates it.

[Joe Getty]

80% of America says flag burnings ought to be met with nose flattenings. Right. But we put up with it because we cherish our freedom. Yeah, it's a complete misread again of the professional ideologues on the left of where the American people really are.

[Jack Armstrong]

The problem with where we're going, though, of course, is all this performative stuff like Trump pretending he's cracking down on flag burning. Knowing he can't is the same to me as Joe Biden pretending he went around the Supreme Court to wipe out student loans when he didn't. But they, like our current presidents now, like pretending they're sticking it to Congress or sticking it to the law or whatever to stand up for you. And none of this performative stuff is, well, going to take us in the right direction.

[Joe Getty]

It's all online. Heat it. Really. Do you have any interest in Joe Scarborough and Brandon Johnson? I just. Any opportunity to kick that jackass union. Sorry, that's a strong word, folks. I shouldn't have said whore. I should have said whore. Brandon Johnson, he's a rotten human being to the core. An awful mare and a half wit to boot. Joe Scarborough, recent returnee to sanity, grilled him the other day.

[Guest or Caller]

We all want the dignity of people in Chicago protected. 54 people shot this weekend in Chicago, seven killed. I mean, and, and though those numbers just keep piling up.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, and then next, next one, JB.

[Guest or Caller]

Pritzker should do something radical. I think he should pick up the phone, call the president and say, you know, and I know you don't have the constitutional authority to deploy the National Guard here and to police my. You can do that in D.C. you can't do that in Chicago. But let's partner up. These are the most dangerous parts of my state. We would love to figure out how to have a partnership that's constitutional, that respects the sort of balance of federalism between the federal government and the state government. And let's work together to save lives. Because right now just, hey, nothing to see here. Moving along. No problem here. Hey, Donald Trump, we don't need you. And you know the mayor talking about we're going to protect people's dignity in our city.

[Joe Getty]

We'll protect their lives.

[Guest or Caller]

That's protecting their dignity.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You're laying there bleeding out of your belly. You're not so worried about your dignity.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that would be if our government kind of worked, if we would act that way. But we don't act that way at any level anymore. At any level.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

You play to the the most online part of your constituency that's going to raise the most money or send out the most tweets. The idea of calmly addressing a problem and coming up with a solution, you aren't going to get any headlines with that. I don't know. I don't know how we get out of this situation.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I just can't believe Trump can can be puppet master to big name Democrats so easily and have their voices out over the next 24 hours talking about don't send help to Chicago with underneath the headline 50 shot 7 dead.

[Joe Getty]

Last year it was 61. It's improving.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Went to Iowa over the weekend. I want to tell the story later because I went to the one room schoolhouse where my dad went to school in the middle of nowhere, Iowa, and took my son there. And it was really cool. So more on that later.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, how many genders were there when he was in that school? Just. Just the two. I meanwhile I was in Great Britain, in England, London mostly. Thanks everybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hello.

[Joe Getty]

Thanks to everybody who made all sorts of great suggestions for what we ought to do. You know, we ended up not doing like museums all the time, partly because. And they've got some incredible museums, obviously, like every great city in the western world does. But I thought, you know, I'd been a lifelong Anglophile, fascinated by the music, literature, politics, comedy, just all of it. And I'd never been and I just thought that's crazy. So this was Like a week long date with London and England to get to know each other. And so I thought art museum, there's art museums everywhere now. This has a particularly great collection, blah blah blah. But no, let's not spend an afternoon in an art museum, let's walk the streets and blah blah blah. So it was, it was great fun Day one. Hopped on the the famous red double decker buses and rode around all day partly because we were exhausted from travel and jet lagged in the rest of it. It's five hours ahead of the east coast, eight hours ahead of the west coast. And so day one and two, especially exhausted, yet over caffeinated. Just a delightful feeling that just makes you want to wrap your arms around.

[Jack Armstrong]

The world and good on your stomach.

[Joe Getty]

Oh God, yeah, good point. So I, at one point I thought I'm never leaving home again. And then you know, by day three we're just plugged in and just love it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm never leaving home again.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I mean I had that weird paranoid, exhausted, hunted beast feeling going. You know, they're out to get me, all of them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Werewolves in London.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. But anyway, so we, we rode around on the big red bus for hours and hours and, and just to get the lay land. And here is my encapsulation of our quite a few hours on the bus. Kings and queens, wars, churches, disease, pollution, crime. More wars, floods and fires. Another war, several more kings and brothels. Lots of brothels. That's pretty much your big city tour.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go.

[Joe Getty]

War, death, disease and brothels and architecture too. And then let's see another note of note. The one museum we did spend a lot of time at was the British Museum, which is the actual name of it and wasn't exactly what I expected but we had a guide which was cool. It has the most incredible collection of antiquities, like prehistoric and like the dawn of history stuff. Literally the oldest writing ever found on earth. You can look at it with your beady eyes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

The oldest book, the oldest scroll, the oldest everything from ancient languages that either nobody can still translate or they just learned to translate, you know, a century ago with the Rosetta stone and the actual Rosetta stone right there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Well, it's one of the best museums in the world partially because Britain was the most powerful country in the world for a very, very long time back in the day where there were no rules around this sort of thing. And so they were able to grab up stuff from.

[Joe Getty]

All right, and the modern woke take on that is they grabbed up stuff from around the world and took it and they ought to give it back. I There is some of that, absolutely. But there are many, many stories where some of the most incredible and important of their discoveries, nobody gave a crap right in that country, especially at the time. It would have been destroyed or just lost. The British were like, this is really important. This needs to be preserved. We're going to painstakingly excavate it, take it back to Britain, study it, try to figure out its significance, connect it to other points in history because they were modern in a way that a lot of these countries weren't at all. They sold they oh, you want to. You want our greatest antiquity? I'm the king. Give me a thousand bucks. They sold the stuff. They didn't give a crap. The Brits didn't steal a lot of it.

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Take a deep dive into the stories making the news headlines across the world.

[Emily Maitlis]

The news agents. We're not just here to tell you what's happening, but why? From me, Emily Maitlis and me, John Sopel with Global's award winning podcast the News agents dropping daily covering everything you need to know about politics and current.

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[Joe Getty]

Desmond Watson, the 450lb heaviest player in NFL history has been cut by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He will now go back to his old job as Stacy Abrams, body double.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Oh, Michael. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Michael. That is out of line even bringing that joke to us. Never mind Eric.

[Jack Armstrong]

It that's felt it was a setup. That's why I chose it. 450 pound lineman. That's some biggest player ever in NFL history but couldn't move fast enough.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe they couldn't afford to feed him.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's it. Or they couldn't get him on the plane. Oh, he couldn't go to away games.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Have to hire a flatbed, right? Oh, see that's insensitive and I regret it. Michael, you started this.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sorry.

[Joe Getty]

So coming up, really interesting front page story in British newspapers while I was there about the left's desperation to give children the vote. We're talking 16 and 17 year olds. The absolute naked strategy there. And interestingly, polls of British teenagers that might as well, might as well have been done in the US including the unbelievable divide between boys and girls politically. So that coming up next hour. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I'm just looking at the headline on cnn, President Xi of China to host Russia, Iran and North Korea at a military parade. This is like 30s Germany stuff, not the usual Trump is Hitler 30s. This is like the world's worst people getting together and talking about starting some S. Right, Russia, Iran and North Korea in a military parade. Anyway, more on that later. We are the most pessimistic economically that we have ever been, according to this Wall Street Journal NORC poll that is out that found that the share of people who say they have a good chance of improving their standard of living. So that's the question. Do you feel like you've got a good chance of improving your standard of living? It fell to 25%. That's a record low dating back to 1987. More than that is horrifying. It is horrifying. More than three quarters said they lack confidence that life for the next generation will be better than their own, the poll found. Let me think about that question for a while.

[Joe Getty]

For a while.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do I think, do I think that life for my kids will be better than mine? I don't know that I do. But I wouldn't put it all around economics.

[Joe Getty]

Here's a question, a preliminary question. Before you ask that question, is the American assumption that every generation will be better off than the previous, which began, you know, in the 20th century when America was, you know, just stood alone as an economic superpower. Is that expectation realistic in the 21st century? I would argue it's not.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. I don't. I think it was a, a blip in time and odd.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

How could you craft any system where you could always expect your kids to do better than you?

[Joe Getty]

Well, we could bomb Europe back to the Stone Age and do the same to Asia, I guess, because that's what it took the first time.

[Jack Armstrong]

I should ask my plus a head.

[Joe Getty]

Start because we're an optimistic, freedom loving, entrepreneurial people, or at least I thought so until this poll came out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Back to the poll in just a second. But I'll tell this story about visiting Iowa and my, my, my, my dad's side of the family with my son. But we're talking to my dad and he, we were at his older sister's house who's 94, she's still alive and is with it as can be. And we all went out eat and everything like that. But they're talking about when they were kids and they grew up with no electricity, no running water, going to school in a horse drawn wagon. I mean like it was 1810. But I doubt they ever even thought about will my economic situation be better than my parents. It was just, what are we going to eat today? How do I get warm? I think I don't know where we came up with this standard.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. And as baselines go, I mean it's pretty easy for the next generation to do better. Really.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Anyway, so it's only 25% of people that who say they have a good chance of improving their standard of living and 75% lack confidence that life for the next generation would be better than our own. Nearly 70% of people said they believe the American dream, that if you work hard you will get ahead. No longer holds true or never did. I don't agree with that. The highest level in nearly 15 years of surveys. I do believe that if you work hard you will get ahead. I think that's clearly true. And you're using. And if you don't believe it's true, you're using it as an excuse to not try hard. That's what I believe.

[Joe Getty]

Will it necessarily get you as far ahead as soon as you'd hoped? Probably not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, are you going to be rich and famous? No. And I know that's the standard for a lot of people. If you're not rich and famous, then it was a failure.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, optimism has powered this country since the beginning, since before it was a country. And belief in self anyway, more of the numbers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, so that bothers me way more than those other numbers though that they made the headline in the Wall Street Journal. The fact that you can't think you can get ahead or your kid's going to be better off or whatever, okay, you can pick around that. But the idea that if you work hard you'll get ahead. Very few people believe that. That is the most troubling statistic to me of all.

[Joe Getty]

It's defeatism.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where does that come from?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I find this so troubling.

[Jack Armstrong]

What in your life experience or looking around you leads to lead you to.

[Joe Getty]

Believe that you know I can picture people having done all the right things and then their industry changing very suddenly, being rattled by that and having a bad attitude about it. I did all the right things and I still look at me, I'm screwed. That's a discouraging thing. It absolutely is. But the fact that sometimes it doesn't work out the way you had hoped doesn't mean that your premise wasn't accurate. In general, working hard, looking for opportunities, believing in yourself is good. It's not only good, it's necessary. Does it always pan out as quickly as richly blah, blah, blah, or sometimes do you get screwed?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, certain percentage of the time. Well, maybe it's an expectation.

[Joe Getty]

Always been. Well, that's. Yeah, that's what I'm driving at. You said it in far fewer words.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's all expectations then. Because if you ever have the idea that I've gotten into an industry and now I'm set for life, that was an unrealistic expectation.

[Joe Getty]

Now, here's a stupid, stupid aspect of this poll and that's that there's a long standing trend that the party holding the White House has a rosier view of the economy than, than whoever's out of power. 55% of Republicans had a negative view of the prospects for themselves and their children. Over half of Republicans, it was 90% of Democrats. 90%. Because what kind of message do you think they're giving to those aforementioned children?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Good Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy. And that's. What's that saying that I've never quite understood. Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

But yeah, if you're, if you're telling your kids every day or telling yourself every day you can't get ahead, you just can't. Well, let me guess how that's going to turn out.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Working hard and looking for opportunities and trying to change the world, that won't do me any good anyway, so I'm not going to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, what a depressing poll that is.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Well, one of the guys behind it, this Stanford economics professor who is one of the good guys at Stanford, I'm going to shame Stanford with all of my might as soon as I can. They are just, just woke and sick anyway. But this guy, Neil Mahoney says it sort of saddens me. I think one of our superpowers as a country is our relentless optimism. It is the fuel for entrepreneurship and other exceptional achievements.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it's not just optimism. It's also true if you work hard, you will get ahead.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, eventually. Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

As opposed to what, by the way? Getting ahead by not working hard or doing nothing? I mean, what I just, I don't even understand. I barely understand the question.

[Joe Getty]

You know, one of the most interesting and powerful things I've read in the last several years. I can't remember who said this. I've got to look it up. But they said success is temporary because you want to go out and prove it again. You've got other hills to climb, more, more challenges to take on, or, you know, just staying on top. So it, that challenge never ends. If you quit, that's permanent. That's the warm, huggy blanket of I'm not even going to try because there's no point in it and everybody's against me. And that's why I have a bad life that is like a drug that you take once and it numbs you forever. That's why it's so attractive to people. Does that sound ugly and judgmental? Good.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm on a big Bruce Springsteen kick, but I remember something he said about working hard and getting ahead years ago. I'll tell you about that right after this.

[Joe Getty]

He is a liberal, Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's a nut job. Yeah, cyber crime. We need to tell you about that real quick. We all know it's out there. It's moving fast. Every 22 seconds, someone becomes a victim of identity theft.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Been on this big Bruce Springsteen kick for a while, his music, and I started reading his autobiography over the vacation and everything like that really interesting stuff. As an artist, his view of economics and politics is insane. And it's hard to overlook, to enjoy the music. But I remember seeing a video of him way back in the day and he said basically what this poll is saying. Unfortunately, he said, they've been selling that lie forever. And he was talking about working hard to get ahead. They've been selling that lie to people like us our whole lives. I thought, wow, what a depressing view of the world that, that somebody is selling you. What advantage do they get out of that? What advantage is the somebody getting out of selling you the lie that if you work hard you'll get ahead? And what is your alternative method? Again, I can barely wrap my head around the premise of this.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I think like half wit Marxist like Bruce, and he's not a half wit in general, he's a very good writer, but he just, he has practically a child's view of these things. He would say, well, they convince you to go down to the factory and bust your ass and you wear out your back and then you're still poor. And that's the lie they're selling. Well, dude, you figured out what you were good at, then worked like crazy to become successful at it. I know your story. Why is that true for you, but it's a fantasy for everybody else because you're the special man or you just got lucky or what? I just, I don't understand the reasoning. Yeah, you know what's weird about this poll is the number of people who rate the economy as excellent or good is up significantly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, there is.

[Joe Getty]

I want last and it sucks.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was a different poll last week while you're gone, but there is a certain amount of, oh, I'm fine, but it's bad for everybody else that's going on in polling right now, which is a strange phenomenon. I'm doing okay. I think we're going to be okay, my family. But it's really rough out there for everybody else, which is its own weird negativity.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Right now housing is really, really difficult now for young people. It's brutally hard. So what are you going to do? Quit? Because 90% of Democrats think there's no point. I mean, that's, that's a miserable philosophy of life. It really is. You know, I just, I don't know. I'm profoundly discouraged about humanity right now. We are not facing. We. You, your kids, your grandkids, your great grandparents, all of us face our own set of challenges in the times we live. And sometimes it's world wars. Sometimes it's horrific pandemics, sometimes it's just pretty bad. Tim Pandemics that the government F's up the response so badly it makes everybody miserable anyway. Everybody has their own list. Every single generation that's ever lived. Just because guys could stumble out of high school in 1950 onto an assembly line and make a good living and raise a couple of kids, then retire with a pension for like a blip, that's not where our expectations need to be set. It's just not a good way to be a human being. Try to be good at being a human being.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good T shirt. Try to be good at being a human being. What was the thing you said you got coming up? I want to something. Oh I was excited.

[Joe Getty]

British lefties are trying desperately to get children to vote. Gee, why do you think that might be?

[Jack Armstrong]

We got a full hour dedicated to Travis and Taylor getting married. So of course we'll take a look at the ring, the proposal, all of it.

[Joe Getty]

Kill me.

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[Narrator]

Take a deep dive into the stories making the news headlines across the world.

[Emily Maitlis]

The news agents we're not just here to tell you what's happening, but why? From me, Emily Maitlis and me, John Sopel with Global's award winning podcast the Newsagents Dropping daily covering everything you need to know about politics and current affairs.

[Narrator]

And the newsagents USA listening to the.

[Emily Maitlis]

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[Joe Getty]

Taylor Swift engagement post on Instagram has made history for having the most likes in one day. It beat the previous record set by Rashida Tlaib announcing she bought a razor.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I mentioned Taylor Swift's ring. I did think it was kind of interesting. I came across she got it's heirloom style and apparently that's the trendy new style for jewelry is for stuff to look like it's like really, really old that your grandmother gave you. If your grandmother happened to give you a 60 karat ring or whatever the.

[Joe Getty]

Hell she was married to a Rockefeller.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but the heirloom style, it's not the big blingy fancy. It's like flat and not as shiny anyway. So that's what they did. I got to jump into one of the controversies of the last couple of weeks. The whole Cracker Barrel thing is we went to Cracker Barrel while I was. So I flew to Kansas and then we drove up to Iowa and then during the trip we, we ate a Cracker Barrel. Cracker Barrel got talked about a lot just because it was in the news so much. And like. So I'm talking to people that have all been to Cracker Barrel lots. Like I've been to our hundred times. My parents have been there. We all been there a hundred times. None of us. If you didn't ask us three weeks ago, who's the guy on the sign? We would have all responded with there's a guy on the sign. Every single one of us. It wasn't, well, that's beloved Uncle Herschel. The very important, you know, I don't know, figure that represents Cracker Barrel. And I couldn't eat there if he weren't on the side. I mean, none of us even knew there was a guy on the side, which is funny. And then who decided that it was woke what Cracker Barrel was doing? I don't quite get that. It seems to me they're just like updating their brand a little. And for whatever reason I didn't really follow it. The amount of controversy he got was tremendous.

[Joe Getty]

And then I was wearing and then.

[Jack Armstrong]

The in, you know, and then they constant backpedaling and trying to clean it up of the CEO, which is, you know, hilarious always when these people do that. Now if it is, as the rumors say, gonna go to some sort of like, it looks like a Starbucks on the inside, like, like the booths and the modern look, I can see where that's going to turn off a lot of the. The customers who like the old timey look. But the main thing that I do think is if this is true. The little triangle game. So you take the little pegs and you move them around and you try to end up with one peg, which I've never been able to do once in my life.

[Joe Getty]

It's an IQ test. Jack says right at the top.

[Jack Armstrong]

My brother regularly gets down to one peg. Even as a little kid, I was never able to do better than two. I did get two over the weekend while I was eating my chicken fried chicken with hash browns and eggs over easy. I got it down to two. But what it says on the little triangle thing, I don't know. You probably don't know this Joe, if you get it down to one, it says genius. If you get it down to it says pretty smart. If you get it down to three, it says I forget something, you need to try harder. And if it's four, it says you're an ignoramus. Well apparently, apparently the new triangle thing, it's all positive stuff. It's like the. We all get a participation certificate for playing soccer as an 8 year old even though we couldn't play. It's all like that. It's like one, nice job. Two. Still a nice job. Three, try better. Number four, you're still we still love you. You know, that sort of thing because I thought it was too mean to call people. The name is.

[Joe Getty]

I guess we've gone so soft as a country. You know, I regularly failed at that little logic puzzle as a youngster and it didn't discourage me. I went ahead and showed up to school as an ignoramus and got less ignorant.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, that's not the way I did it the first time I got four and it said I was an ignoramus. I put my head in my hands and I thought I am doomed. I'm doomed. In life I have taken this important test. I did not pass it. I. I quit school. And that's why I live under a bridge doing math right now.

[Joe Getty]

I picked it up and I fired it right off the wagers forehead. And as she bled I yelled, who you calling?

[Jack Armstrong]

It ain't the Raven by the way. Come on. The first cracker barrel we stopped at had an hour wait. So we drove down the interstate to the next one that had a 45 minute wait. They got more free advertising for their business in the last couple of weeks. You couldn't buy it with billions of dollars.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I have more to say on why I think people were outraged. But we're out of time.

[Jack Armstrong]

We do several more hours. If you missed a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Narrator]

Take a deep dive into the stories making the news headlines across the world.

[Emily Maitlis]

The News Agents we're not just here to tell you what's happening, but why? From me, Emily Maitlis and me, John Sopel with with Global's award winning podcast the News Agents Dropping daily covering everything you need to know about politics and.

[Narrator]

Current affairs and The News Agents USA.

[Emily Maitlis]

Listening to the News Agents on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search the newsagents to start listening.

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[Jack Armstrong]

The song stands about an obsessed fan who's taking me too literal from Eminem.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Never seen anything like Eminem fans.

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[Joe Getty]

I had to look in the mirror.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I traveled the world for him. Without Eminem I wouldn't have the life I have right now. What's your first question?

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