The A&G Replay Monday Hour Four

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "The A&G Replay Monday Hour Four"

Date: July 6, 2026
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Hosts: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This replay episode delivers a collection of the Armstrong & Getty show's most interesting, humorous, and thought-provoking moments from recent months, alongside fresh reflections. The hour covers a range of topics: from scientific deep-dives on the biology of flatulence (with classic Armstrong & Getty banter), to social commentary on algorithmic media bubbles, to philosophical riffs about habits of mind, consciousness, and personal growth. The tone is both irreverent and insightful, staying true to the show’s signature blend of humor and genuine curiosity.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

1. The Science of Flatulence

[03:18–13:32]

• Topic Introduction: Joe Getty introduces "the king of farts," Dr. Michael Levitt, and the new book, "You've Been Pooping All Wrong," by Dr. Trisha (full name unknown due to transcript ambiguity).
• Scientific Advances: Levitt used gas chromatography to analyze flatulence, even aiding NASA with charcoal-filtered spacesuit technology for astronauts.
• The Gender Study:
  • A clinical study invited men and women to eat beans/lactulose, collect their gas, and have it odor-rated by independent judges.
  • Key findings: Women’s flatulence was “much greater in odor intensity,” but men produced larger volumes per episode, which arguably balances the “impact” in everyday life.
  • Memorable Job: Being a “flatulence odor judge” was ranked the "worst job in science" by Popular Science ([10:08]).
• Physiology on Planes: Reduced cabin pressure causes intestinal gas to expand—hence the nearly universal experience of being gassy in-flight.
• Practical Solutions: Pepto Bismol (bismuth subsalicylate) can neutralize 95%+ of gut sulfur gases ([12:24]).

Notable Quotes:

• “I could go down to the grade school and get an 8-year-old and they could come in and do this because that's who would appreciate it.” – Jack Armstrong ([04:56])
• “It was a zero. You could say congratulations, your doesn’t stink.” – Jack Armstrong ([10:08])
• “It kind of combined into a delightful, nice little disgust and defeat. Crushing of his spirit. Yeah, defeat. That's the word. He was defeated there.” – Joe Getty ([13:32])
• “It's the only time ever in 30 years I've ever been ashamed to be a part of this.” – Jack Armstrong ([13:15])

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2. Freedom-Loving Quote of the Day & War

[14:05–14:44]

• Joe Getty shares a quote by General William T. Sherman:
  “I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine…”
• Discussion about how battle-hardened figures like Sherman and Grant despised the necessity of war.

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3. Social Media Bubbles & Media Algorithms

[14:55–16:45]

• Listener Mailbag: A listener notes how signing up for a social media platform quickly resulted in their feed becoming “a walled garden of ideas,” mostly reflecting right-leaning views—echoing current concerns about algorithm-driven echo chambers.
• Armstrong & Getty lament the lack of mechanisms for exposure to a true variety of viewpoints.
• Notable Quote:
  • “It’s how you can end up in a conversation ... where we're just like staring at each other like we're talking about completely different things, because we have such different information.” – Jack Armstrong ([16:05])

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4. Iran, China, and Global Politics

[16:45–19:37]

• More listener emails touch on:
  • Iranian politics and symbolism (“Operation Rising Lion”),
  • The nature and enforcement of the “rules-based order,”
  • China’s reputation as a “fair weather friend,” and
  • Media coverage disparities regarding Iran-related protests.
• Armstrong & Getty discuss how global alliances and American foreign policy are perceived today.

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5. Habits of Mind: Worry, Rumination, and “Fixing Your Brain”

[22:32–36:46]

• Entering Other Minds ([22:32–25:25]):
  • Philosophizing about what it would be like to live in someone else’s mind, pondering differences in obsession, worry, and daily thoughts.
• Worry & Rumination ([24:35–32:59]):
  • Jack discusses not being a worrier, but ruminating on past mistakes—perseveration.
  • Joe Getty admits to being closer to constant worry, but is working on it.
  • Both share strategies for breaking out of stuck mental cycles.
  • Jack mentions consulting “chatbots” (presumably AI or therapy bots) for advice and learns:
    • “Thought stopping” (trying to just suppress a recurring negative thought) is ineffective; redirecting attention to a new subject is more successful.
    • The brain’s tendency to loop on familiar negative patterns is just habit, not fate.
• Quotes & Advice:
  • “You have to give your thoughts somewhere to go, something else to think about... Instead of ‘stop, go away’, immediately switch to something else.” – Jack Armstrong ([31:29])
  • “I absolutely am a firm believer that if you're conscious of your consciousness, you can do better. You have at least be aware of the things you're thinking and name them.” – Joe Getty ([33:02])
  • “We think it’s inevitable, but it’s just a habit. And maybe a very bad habit.” – Jack Armstrong ([33:26])
  • Early attempts at this mental shift will feel “contrived and forced,” but with repetition, new patterns can form ([33:46–34:35]).

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6. Invention Lamentations: The Car Toilet

[39:34–43:26]

• Armstrong & Getty riff on a real news story about a patented toilet inside a car in China:
  • Jokes and incredulity abound at the idea of a “voice-activated toilet” and its practical logistics (“activate toilet”).
  • Disgust and awkwardness anticipated about having this function in normal car scenarios (Uber, road trips, etc.).
• “Is there any way to get a patent where the patent is so nobody will ever make this?” – Jack Armstrong ([39:34])
• “Any car is a toilet if you stop caring enough.” – Reddit comment read by Jack Armstrong ([40:20])
• Ultimately, neither host wants to see this invention hit the mainstream.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Science & Humor:
  • “He was defeated there. Well done, Dr. Levitt. Your name will live on in glory.” – Joe Getty ([13:32])
• War & Ambivalence:
  • “War is hell.” (General Sherman, quoted by Joe Getty) ([14:44])
• Algorithmic Bubbles:
  • “It’s no wonder why most of the population never hears multiple perspectives on an issue.” – Listener Brent, read by Joe Getty ([15:34])
• Mind Habits:
  • “Thought stopping is not something that you can do. It compared it to trying to hold a beach ball underwater—the further you push it down, the harder it tries to get back up.” – Jack Armstrong ([29:00])
• Personal Growth:
  • “If you're conscious of your consciousness, you can do better.” – Joe Getty ([33:02])
  • “I'll be just great on my deathbed. That last five minutes, I'll be a joy to be around.” – Jack Armstrong ([36:21])
• Product Ridicule:
  • “Is there any way you can make a patent so that nobody can ever make [this]?” – Jack Armstrong, discussing the car toilet ([42:54])
  • “Whoa. Some guy reading a newspaper.” – Joe Getty, riffing on truckers spotting someone using the car toilet ([43:08])

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Flow & Tone

• Style: Unpretentious, quick-witted, and self-deprecating.
• Dynamic: Playful antagonism (Joe’s scientific curiosity vs. Jack’s discomfort); willingness to entertain juvenile topics, but often with a wink.
• Originality: Armstrong & Getty blend bathroom humor with sincere discussion — moving from stories about bodily functions, to war, to deep neuro-psychological self-help.
• Utility: For new listeners, this rundown covers science, philosophy, cultural criticism, and goofballery in classic Armstrong & Getty style.

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Segment Timestamps (Quick Reference)

| Segment | Start | End | |-------------------------------------------|--------|--------| | Flatulence Science & Gender – Main Story | 03:18 | 13:32 | | Freedom-Loving Quote (Sherman) | 14:05 | 14:44 | | Social Media Algorithm Discussion | 14:55 | 16:45 | | Geopolitics/Iran/Media Letters | 16:45 | 19:37 | | "Living in Other Minds" & Habits of Mind | 22:32 | 36:46 | | "Car Toilet" Patent Riffing | 39:34 | 43:26 |

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Summary:
This episode blends Armstrong & Getty's signature blend of irreverence and insight, covering everything from the science of stomach gases and space suits, to the dangers of algorithmic echo chambers, to actionable tips for managing obsessive thinking. The hour’s highlights are both zany (world’s worst job: flatulence rater) and surprisingly earnest (practical ways to shift mental habits for greater wellbeing).

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

the Armstrong and Getty Replay. We're not actually here because we both blew our thumbs off with fireworks over the weekend, so we had to take a day off to get. I think we're getting orangutan thumbs sewed on.

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It's expensive, experimental, but occasionally successful. Oh boy. We've got the Armstrong and getting replay ready to go. Some of the most interesting, absurd, eye catching things, ear catching things that have happened over the recent months, plus some Armstrong and Getty one more thing clips you probably have never heard.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, good stuff. Let's get back to the Armstrong and Getty replay.

[Joe Getty]

Dr. Michael Levitt, a gastroenterologist, became known as the king of farts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ah, is that going to be the topic of the podcast? Do I have to participate in this?

[Joe Getty]

You really don't if you don't want to because evidently you have no interest in science. This is from a brand new book that's been written by another gastroenterologist, Trisha. Sorry if I got your name wrong, Trisha. The title of the book is you've been pooping all wrong. But this section of the book also concerns the art of gastroenterology, Jack. Specifically flatulence.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hard fought primary.

[Joe Getty]

That's. There's no need for foolishness, Michael. Again, this is a discussion of science. She writes and she is a she. Jack. Science has finally settled the age old debate of who's. Oh, I can't. You know what, it's funny. I've come to the brink. I'm standing on the high dive and I don't want to jump off because it's so. It sounds so childish and base.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, yes it does. That's my point.

Yeah, I thought you were all, oh, it's science.

Just a second.

[Joe Getty]

I know. Well, I climbed the steps to the high dive with great verve and confidence and I got out there and thought, nope.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you can do it.

[Joe Getty]

I believe in you. Wow, thanks for that GPT. Now if you give me a few

[Jack Armstrong]

minutes, I could go down to the grade school and get an 8 year old and they could come in and do this because that's who would appreciate it.

[Joe Getty]

I'll use fancy words because it makes me feel better. Science has finally settled the age old debate of whose flatulence is more objectionable, men or women.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God, it's even worse than I thought.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, started. That's right. Science is right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's the first sentence, Jack. It'll be all right.

[Joe Getty]

So Anyway, I mentioned Dr. Michael Levitt. It actually gets more interesting and less childish from there. So Levitt, one day, while a gastroenterology fellow was called into his advisor's office and introduced to a New laboratory instrument, the gas chromatograph. And this thing is actually used in many applications. It analyzes gas content in soil. It's used in crime scene investigations. But of course, to two gastroenterologists, it was clear that someone should use it to gain a better understanding of the most pressing of scientific needs. And that would be indeed farting. And so an illustrious career was born. Levitt eventually published over 300 original scientific works, has won every prestigious award of the American Gastroenterological Association. He helped develop space suits filtered with activated charcoal to prevent astronauts from having to inhale their own flatus during a spacewalk. I'm sure the, as we speak these words, the fellows and gal up in space and the Artemis 2 mission are enjoying his technology right now.

[Jack Armstrong]

The best system we had prior was you just kind of have to like toot in your own helmet.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, essentially. God, yeah, do the George Carlin bit on this topic.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you go full Dutch oven in

[Joe Getty]

your space suit and now thanks to

[Jack Armstrong]

this science Jack, they don't have to toot in their own helmets.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and, and, and quite literally, who smelt it, dealt it aggressive scent. Oh wow, I was trying so hard. So then actually this lady gastroenterologist. This sentence is pretty funny, but it was one particular study that put the gender debate to rest. And it is a study I return to often, both in my clinic and at dinner parties where I have on occasion misjudged the room. So this Levitt character invited 16 healthy men and women to consume items that boost gas production, specifically pinto beans on a synthetic sugar called lactulose. Now was that a factor in the legendary sugar free gummy bear review that was posted to. Was it Amazon the first time? Haribo. Yeah, gummy bears the first time I read that. And it spawned many attempts at imitation. And you people should be ashamed of yourselves. Quit painting faux Mona Lisa's. I had tears streaming down my cheeks the first time I read that review. It's brilliantly written and it had to do with the just spectacular gastrointestinal effects of wolfing down way too much lactulose.

[Jack Armstrong]

See you in hell, Haribo.

[Joe Getty]

Sugar free gummy bears. That's it. Yes. Yeah. Oh, the descriptions are. It's some of the best humor I think that's ever been written in the English language. Yeah, anyway, but just, I'd say, you know, bing it or whatever, but you don't want to find an imitation participants. Okay, so they fed the men and women the pinto beans and lactulus participants. And listen to this I used to, as longtime listeners know, I would earn five bucks the hard way. Going to college, I was. I would make myself the subject of psychology department experiments which were always actually pretty interesting. It is an hour of my time and at the time it was decent enough money. It might have been 10 bucks, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

So participants were fed the beans and lactulose. Then they showed up to the laboratory where a rectal tube was inserted and made. Made a gas tight seal with their derrieres.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Getty]

The tube was then connected to a gas impermeable bag and after releasing what they must, its contents were subsequently evaluated by chromatography. But it gets better. The flatus collected in these bags was then sniffed and raided by two independent judges

[Jack Armstrong]

who signed up for that gig.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God, listen to Jack. He is suffering.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's so awful.

[Joe Getty]

Where they were judged on a linear scale where 0 was no odor and 8 was very offensive. An aggressive scent worth mentioning. In the year 2003, Popular Science ranked Levitt's flat as odor judge as the worst job in science.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it was a zero. You could say congratulations, your doesn't stick.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Exactly. So their job was terrible, but their contributions were enormous. She writes, they found that compared to

[Jack Armstrong]

that of men job in science, I'd say, oh, that's awful.

[Joe Getty]

Compared to that of men, the flattest of woman, women had a much greater odor intensity. But hold your horses. Which reminds me of Kramer and the horse and Seinfeld, of course, that he fed beef Areno.

[Jack Armstrong]

What was it?

[Joe Getty]

Something like that. Yeah. The study also found though that men produced a larger volume of gas per toot. And Levitt argued that because flatus's ability to simulate the nose is more dependent on volume than on concentration, not just gas. That is debatable. These differences between the sexes balance out in real life. Now let's see. She takes a shot of teenage boys, which is really mentions their lack of restraint in this, this realm. But final couple of really interesting scientific facts because I have no interest in debating the man, woman thing. That would just be indelicate. And you know me, Mr. Delicate.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're not going to get me to comment on it.

[Joe Getty]

Still, in certain situations, she writes, no matter your skills in, you know, controlled explanation, we're all helpless. One such situation, travel. We are all gassy on a plane. Maybe it's you, maybe it's your neighbor. Before you judge, anyone aboard, Remember the ideal gas law, PV equals nrt. With increasing altitude, air pressure, including intestinal air pressure, falls. Therefore the Volume of your intestinal gas has to expand. The air in your colon is blocked from traveling backward by a small muscular valve connecting it to the small intestine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you all relating to this? I don't relate to that. I have not had this experience.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God. You and your fart denial.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I just have not had this experience. Does this happen to people on planes? I've never heard anybody mention it in my life.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's because we're trying to be delicate, like I said. But yes, it's nearly universal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really?

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Therefore, the only path flatus can take is forward and outward where it joins the recirculating cabin air for the remainder of the flight. Which is delightful. But if you need a simple last minute solution to gas our friend and foe, take Bismooth subsalicate over the corner. 524 milligrams by mouth four times a day beforehand will do the job. Bismuth subsalicate, better known as Pepto Bismol, binds and neutralizes more than 95% of sulfide gases in the gut. Another landmark discovery from the great Dr. Levitt.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go.

[Joe Getty]

Worst job, science, the KLF right there.

[Jack Armstrong]

I enjoyed the information just about as much as I loved the just look of disgust on Jack's face.

Yeah, yeah, I am. It's the only time ever in 30 years I've ever been ashamed to be a part of this.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it was. It was discussed and like being beaten down.

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It kind of combined into a delightful,

[Jack Armstrong]

nice little disgust and defeat.

[Joe Getty]

Crushing of his spirit. Yeah, defeat. That's the word. He was defeated there. Well done, Dr. Levitt. Your name will live on in glory. Well done, sir. I tried to activate my glutes as

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Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. Doing a series on war for obvious reasons, and we're gonna do a broad range of them. Not trying to make any particular point. It's all about ambivalence. I like ambivalence. Well, some days I like ambivalence. This one is from William T. Sherman. General Sherman of the famous March to the Sea. Civil War. I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. He and Grant were perfectly suited to that war. Both grimly Doing what had to be done to win and not liking it at all.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Unwilling soldiers who just wanted it to be done. And in both of their views the way it's done is if you win. Mailbag. Drop us a Note [e-mail] whenever you like. Boy, have we gotten just reams of email lately. How about this Brent in the Bay Area, California, Just interesting. I signed up for Next account for the first time over the weekend. Followed Armstrong and Getty and Tim Sandifer and that's it. My feed is now covered with right leaning posts and very few neutral left leaning ones. Yeah, all the follow suggestions are all conservative voices. It's no wonder why most of the population never hears multiple perspectives on an issue.

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I wish the algorithm could choose smart people with a variety of opinions as

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opposed to, oh, as sort of an opt in option as opposed to lots

[Jack Armstrong]

of dumb people whose politics are lean money direction.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, I'd rather hear smart people

[Jack Armstrong]

on the other side.

[Joe Getty]

Brent, with some nice writing he says our media platforms basically throw you into one walled garden of ideas and throw away the key based on very little input from the users. Just a few likes and follows and it's.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's how you can end up in a conversation. And this happened to me several times in the modern world where I end up in a conversation and we're just like at some point staring each other like we're talking about completely different things here because we have such different information. Yeah, you can't even have a conversation you're so far apart. Right.

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Where is the broad range algorithm? I mean, even if I believe what I believe, I think it makes me a much better conservative if I confront the argue arguments of the people who disagree with me obviously and wrestle with them and help, you know, have help, have them help hone my ideas and

[Jack Armstrong]

sometimes I'm wrong or we're wrong. So having the other side is a good idea.

[Joe Getty]

Speak for yourself. Loyal listener Eugene of Centerbrook, Connecticut writes, hey guys, love the show. I digress. Look at the old flag of Iran versus the current flag of the Islamic Republic. The old flag has prominently displayed a lion. As in the lion will be coming back. Operation Rising Lion

[Jack Armstrong]

a wimble up

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the topic of a rules based order. Sean writes, people complain the old rules based order is gone. That order didn't exist because the US relented to European and East Asian states pressure. It existed because the US enforced it vigorously. If you want a rules based order, Maduro in Iran and seasoned ghost tankers is how you get it back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, that was George Will's column in the Washington Post. Deterrence is back.

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, all of this stuff is so interesting and there's so many subtopics. But I'll discipline myself to stay with Mailbag for now. Let's see, Alvin writes, Guys, I heard the Iranian TV guys or some Middle Eastern TV guys say the weapons Iran got from China aren't working. Maybe they got them from Temu. Which brings me to yet another subtopic of this conflict. How China over and over again is super good buddies with you until the chips are down. And then country after country around the world are discovering, oh, that's weird. They won't take my calls when the poo hits the fan. They are a fair weather friend at best. Moving along, reporting from the ccop, Rich writes, and that'll be explained in a minute. Hey fellows, just a quick rundown of the reporting here at the communist city of Portland. Local media reported a few seconds worth of the rally of Iranians that were thrilled with the death of the dictator. Then they spent several minutes covering the protests, which were predominantly white, overeducated and screeching through their bullhorns. Apparently the higher education affords you the opportunity to not go to work like the rest of us, I guess. Yeah, the people do seem to have unlimited time to protest. Sai writes, the more I learn about the hierarchy of Iran's Islamic leadership, the more it reminds me of the Sopranos. There's this big FBI board on the show with pictures of the whole family, starting with the don at the top of the pyramid, Khapo soldiers, so on. It's almost like when the FBI used the used to update their board in the show, adding new faces, shifting alliances, constantly reshuffling players in the game. It's funny, organized crime really does look the same wherever you go. And this real quick from Frank. Imminent threat Question mark. When did Nazi Germany become an imminent threat? Imperial Japan and simple, naive Jack needs to wake up that Mark Warner is a political hacked and corrupt, not a serious person. Love the show.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, but your opinion, man.

[Joe Getty]

Simple, naive use.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I was thinking about that with Germany. We declared war on Germany prior to them attacking us. Was that a war of choice?

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[Jack Armstrong]

You've said before that if you could live in someone else's mind, it's the

[Joe Getty]

most terrifying thing you could ever do. And I was orienting.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder, I wonder how much similarity there would be and how much it would be like this is what you think about because there, there are. You know, obviously there are things that you know, we all have friends and family. We know the things that they're interested in and think about that you never think about. Just like surface level, you know, like, you think about golf a lot? Probably. I never think about golf. So it'd just be interesting. Just that.

Right.

Stuff like that.

[Joe Getty]

So this is so a stoner conversation. But I love this sort of conversation. If you were not only. Okay, so you're inside their head, you would be feeling what they feel. Feel as well. And that sort of thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's why I say mind instead of brain. Although I supposed to be the same thing. But it's just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the. It's a way they, you know, fully, fully perceive life on a daily basis as someone else. Would be the most fascinating thing in the world. Like if you got at the end of the day and thought, God, what would be an example? I'll use this as an example. You didn't think about sex at all today, you know, or something like that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but obviously he says reaching for the bong. So I would still retain my own consciousness.

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You'd have to be aware that I

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was being a tourist. Yeah, yeah.

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It gets very complicated very fast.

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Well, I don't know. We can handle it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would want to live in a man's brain for a day. Just. Just any guys. Because you guys think so much differently. Like for example, if I say, hey. If you're sitting there quietly, say, hey. What are you thinking about? Nothing. That doesn't exist in my world.

It doesn't exist in anybody's world. It's impossible to think about nothing. But it's. But it's. But yeah. There's probably different levels of focus.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, right. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think. What? Well, I don't want to get off on this because I have a specific agenda here that I'm setting up for, so.

[Joe Getty]

I knew he had an agenda.

[Jack Armstrong]

Does.

[Joe Getty]

Yep.

[Jack Armstrong]

So, for instance, I am not a warrior almost at all. I. I'd probably be better off if I was more of a worrier.

Teach me your ways.

I don't. I just don't worry about things. And I. My son has picked that up and now watching it and someone else where I think, how do I get you to worry more? You should be worried more about this. You're not worried at all. I'm like that. So he got that for me. I'd be better off if I worried more. But I just don't worry about things. But I am a. And this is probably worse than be like, I know warriors to the point of it's awful. I. I won't say who it is, but somebody I've known my whole life, which might be a hint divulged me the other day what a warrior they are. And they worry about everything all the time. And it sounds like just a torturous way to live to worry.

[Joe Getty]

I'm definitely closer to that side. I've tried to get better about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well this particular person just worries about so many things that are relatively mundane or the chance of that happening is so incredibly low. I can't imagine why you'd ever think about it.

But that's me.

We don't choose these things and the how much we can correct them I do not know. That's what I've been working on. Because I'm a perseverator on things that have already happened. There's no point in thinking about things that have already happened.

[Joe Getty]

Makes up words. What was that word? Perseverator.

[Jack Armstrong]

Focus on. And keep repeating over and over and over on your head. You can't stop replaying the tape on things that have already happened that were. You know, it's usually bad. Always bad things. You know, what could have I done different? Different. Why did I do that? You know, that sort of thing that I do. I don't at least worrying about future things. Even that though it could be tortures. Every once in a while you're gonna stop something bad from happening by worrying all the time. My thing is never gonna do any good. That's done and gone. There's no point in thinking about that now.

See, I identify with both of those. I do. I do both.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, me too.

[Jack Armstrong]

To a really almost pathetic level.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I have a sense of humor about it. To your. Your assertion slash question. That you can probably manage it within a certain percentage you can get like 20% more relaxed or 20% more forgiving of yourself. But you probably can't change that set point completely.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I've got a certain instance in my fairly recent life that was quite devastating. And you know, I won't be specific about it, but that I have really hard trouble not thinking about a lot every day. And so I went to my, you know, my favorite therapists, my chat bots for some advice on. On what to do here. And some of this stuff I thought was really interesting about the practical shift in the thinking. We get some sort of. I'm going to call it a sick pleasure. The chat bots didn't call it a sick pleasure. And it's probably the wrong term but we're getting some benefit out of it. You know, fear is a. Is a. Is a. Is a hit to the brain in the same way that excitement or joy is a hit to the brain. You're getting some hit to the brain from staying on these things that you like the.

[Joe Getty]

Or.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or maybe likes the wrong word. You've gotten so used to. You can't imagine not having that feeling. That seems to be what happens. And so we get stuck in that mode. And so you gotta. You gotta like, find a way to get past that. I'll just read what the. The chatbot said. Digging through lots of psychological research on this sort of stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Your chatbot doesn't look like an anime school girl, does it? We don't have the activity.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. I went more with a French maid, but I suppose, hey, it's a classic. The practical shift is to have other things we're thinking about. I feel like I was taught in Psych 101 in college, which was probably crap. I mean, that was 50 years ago, 45 years ago, they probably decided that was all crap. I brought up to. My wife was a psychology major years later because she was younger than me, and I brought up the idea of something that I learned in psychology once and she burst out laughing.

[Tony Ayo]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

They taught you what?

[Radio Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I wonder if everything. But anyway, one thing I learned in psych class was thought stopping. Like, you get negative thoughts and you try to stop them. And at least this advice, current advice from this chat bot was that never works. Thought stopping is not something that you can do. It's. It compared it to trying to hold a beach ball underwater. The further you push it down, the harder it tries to get back up. And thought stopping doesn't work. You have to think about something different. As soon as the thought. As soon as the thought comes into your head, you don't try to push it away.

[Tony Ayo]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Focus on a different thing is the only way you can deal with it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's.

[Montucky Beer Narrator]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. That's a little quibblesome by the. The chat bot.

[Podcast Host]

It's.

[Joe Getty]

Right. But I mean, I like I used to. For a very fairly brief period of my life, maybe five, 10 years, I had a terrible fear of flying. Just imagining the worst over and over again. And I finally engaged in thought stopping. Stop thinking about that. And then obviously you have to move on to something else, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that worked for you because I have not had any success with that.

[Radio Announcer]

That.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe it's because I didn't follow it up with think about something Else, which might is probably the key part. I just, it's kind of like the old joke of don't think about a blue elephant. Don't think about a blue elephant. Don't think about it. And you, you know, you know what happens there.

[Joe Getty]

I, I, you must remember I have a mind like a steel trap as well.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, don't think about X, don't think about X. Stop. Thinking about X. Is, is thinking about X. So that's the trap that I get into. Where there's empty space, your mind always fills it with something and has to. You've reinforced with your brain over and over, over again these thoughts that give some reaction in your brain that you're tethered to. Whether it's a positive feeling or a negative feeling, you're tethered to that feeling. That's your normal part. Their brain wants to pull you back to what it's used to, no matter what it is, which is troubling, a troubling thought. If you're, if you're, you know, you got trauma in your life or you grew up in a household where everybody, this is probably why people are like this. If you grew up in a household, I didn't, thank God, where everything was always stressful and fearful. You, you, your brain pulls you back to that because that is what it's decided. It's kept you alive this long. It's got to be working. Let's keep doing it, even if it's bad for you.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I had a good friend who discovered that about himself. It really freed him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, I'm kind of having this occurrence. To me, I don't have something that major, but I have always focused on these big negative things happen in my life and I just can't stop thinking about them and they're not doing me any good. So what you need to do is you need to give your thoughts somewhere to go, something else to think about. And you know, you just choose a couple of things that you're going to focus on. And for me anyway, instead of stop, go away, I've got to immediately fix. Oh, no, we're going to think about this like learning a new piano piece or whatever the hell is. I'm going to start thinking about, you

[Joe Getty]

know, what really works for me. Picturing smiting my enemies. Oh, there you go. So satisfying.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go. Yes. I've known people who's, who's, whose focus is that revenge on people that have wronged them. Family members or whatever. That's all they think about. That's Their happy, happy place is the wrong word. Comfort zone. That's their normal zone. And your brain, your brain pulls you back to your. What you've been doing your whole life, even if it's bad for you over and over and over again. That's. That's a fascinating thought. So maybe some of you think I don't have any. What I would consider negative, regular thoughts that are holding me back. Good for you. But I do. And I've just got a. I don't know. I don't know what my focus is going to be. Parcheesi. I don't know. I need to come up with something.

[Joe Getty]

Fascinating game of chance and strategy. Jack or cheesy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anywho, I don't know if that was of any use to anyone.

[Joe Getty]

No, I think it. I think it is. I absolutely am a firm believer that if you're conscious of your consciousness, you can do better. You have at least be aware of the things you're thinking and name them. I'm a big fan of that. Because once you do that, there's so much that's not inevitable neurologically. It's just habit or a comfort zone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Almost tons of stuff that we think is exactly what you said. It's not inevitable. It's just a habit. And maybe a very bad habit that we developed a very, very long, very long time ago. And then we just hang on to, which is really weird that we do that to ourselves. I had another point I was going to make.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the thing that the chat bot said, based on the recent psychology, is it's going to feel really weird and contrived for quite a while. That whenever you have these thoughts, you say, okay, time to think about whatever it is I'm going to choose to think about, and I better come up with something soon. It's going to seem contrived and forced, but over time your mind will start to say, well, I guess he's not interested in that anymore. Let's switch over to this. I hope that's what happens.

[Montucky Beer Narrator]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. I've been a little eye roll through this podcast because I have zero control over that. Like, whenever I've tried to do the whole, don't think about it, think about something else, it almost like magnifies it more.

Right, right. And I think that's why it said it's gonna seem contrived and forced and pointless for quite a while. But I love the idea of the brain finally saying, well, I guess we're not thinking about this anymore. Let's shift our attention over Here.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I remember in your early days of thinking about alcoholism, I remember you used the phrase, you' fix your brain with your brain.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Which obviously was fascinated by that notion. It's not impossible, but it's a. It's a task.

[Jack Armstrong]

The human mind does have the ability. We all sense this, I think, to almost think about it as a separate thing, like. Which is weird.

[Joe Getty]

It's function, you mean?

[Jack Armstrong]

Or like, it's like it's two things at once. The fix in your brain with your brain. I mean, I'm. I'm talking right now about something my brain does.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Or I could be talking about something my brain's doing right now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah.

And then thinking about. And thinking about something else at the same time.

I'm really, really. I got so excited about this last night because I've been doing this my whole life without even really noticing it, and. And I started having these conversations on with different chat bots to, like, nail down. Isn't this what everybody does? And they were like, no, you psycho. Not what everybody does all the time. Like, I don't have to live this way. I can let. Not do this. This is an option. I'm almost thrilled about this idea of starting a new path of trying to switch to something else, which I've. I've done. We've all done. We've all had things we don't want to think about, and you try to change it, but it doesn't necessarily work all the time. I like the idea that if you keep doing it, you keep doing it, your brain decides. All right, enough of that. Apparently, we're done with that chapter. Close the door on that one and move on.

[Joe Getty]

Look at Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Getting rid of the rbf, changing his brain.

Yeah, I'm gonna be perfectly fixed by the time I'm 88 and die.

[Joe Getty]

Personal development. Who are you?

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll be just great on my deathbed. That last five minutes. I'll be a joy to be around.

[Joe Getty]

Jack's become so likable. Oh, oh, oh, the death rattle. That's too bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know.

[Joe Getty]

I. I lost track of the podcast about two minutes ago. I was thinking about In N Out Burger.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just haven't.

[Joe Getty]

That's what I've been thinking about.

[Jack Armstrong]

Damn it, Michael. Now that now made me hungry.

Change the focus to a Big Mac,

[Radio Announcer]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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When did we become the Lingokids House?

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Why Lingokids?

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Because it's the best thing ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

We can play games with astronauts, wild animals and superheroes.

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[Jack Armstrong]

any way to get a patent where the patent is so nobody will ever make this? I don't even know if they have patents in China or how that thing works. It's the idea. It's the idea that the Chinese have come up with a toilet in a car.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, come on. Oh boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

And this is a real story. I've come, I've read it a bunch of different places.

[Joe Getty]

The 2026 crapulee.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my gosh. I'm Just picturing getting into an Uber and that's in there, you know, guys driving around all day.

So I was looking at some of the comments on Reddit to this story. This is going to get a little coarse and I, I, I'm only reading them to point out how low brow some people are and that I disapprove.

[Joe Getty]

Fair enough.

[Jack Armstrong]

First comment, any car is a toilet if you stop caring enough.

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my.

[Jack Armstrong]

All righty.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

So another commenter on the story, it's a voice activated toilet in a car and there's not a lot more detail on that, so everybody's confused.

Now I have to look it up.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, car, go to toilet mode or

[Jack Armstrong]

Jeeves take a dump for me, said one of these Reddit people.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my. What the hell are you looking at? The picture?

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[Jack Armstrong]

What does it look like? I didn't find one with a picture.

Well, the car itself looks like a normal car, but there, there's like this, it looks like the driver's seat goes back and then a toilet seat comes up so you can slide forward onto set toilet.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the way I heard it described. So this person said, I'm confused about the logistics of this.

[Joe Getty]

So what, you're, you're driving down the

[Jack Armstrong]

highway and your passenger is like, activate toilet. Pulls down their pants, takes a dump a foot away from you. Oh, like wash their hands or anything. Or so now they're just, we're just still on the highway with a bad word under the passenger seat. I don't see this being a popular item.

[Montucky Beer Supporter]

No.

[Joe Getty]

On a first date or something. You know what, I'm Michael, what I'm afraid of is that people are immediately going to the number two for a comedic effect when this will much more commonly be used for number ones. I mean, because if you're going to number two, you got the question of cleansing. Well, and I'm not going to get all childish, but that's just impractical. I think it's probably about number ones. Well, first, urinating. What am I, six years old? It's about urinating. I remember it used to be funny. We'd be getting ready to leave on big family vacations, road trips, driving from the Sacrament area up to Sun River, Oregon or something like that, which we did many summers. And I would be in charge, of course, of engineering the packing of the car, even though my wife was better at it than me. And then we get the kayaks on the top and then blah, blah, blah, and I'd be swigging coffee this whole time. Then we'd finally launch out. Me soaked with sweat, thinking, oh, this is a great way to start a nine hour drive. But then I would be the one who had to hit the rest stop first because I'd been drinking coffee. So I've never been you're gonna hold it or you know I told you to go before we left. Guy I can't be. It'd make me a hypocrite.

[Jack Armstrong]

But so that, that gets to the comment on here. Is there any way you can make a patent so that nobody can ever make the this. Which is kind of funny.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, your windows would have to be tinted too, because that would get awkward.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And somebody yeah. Truck driving by, looking down. Whoa.

Looking down.

[Joe Getty]

Whoa. Some guy reading a newspaper.

[Jack Armstrong]

One One commenter was I don't want this for myself or anyone else, I would agree.

[Radio Announcer]

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