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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.
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Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Unveiled a new scent based alarm clock.
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Joe Getty
That will wake up guests with a simulated smell of breakfast. Because what weary traveler doesn't love to wake up to a lie?
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Jack Armstrong
That's funny. When I was hiking with my son, I said something to him and, and he said, don't turn this into a forest of lies, which is a Simpsons reference. So do you want a philosophical AI or nuts and bolts factual? AI, I think. I think I'll start with nuts and bolts factual. We do a lot of philosophical. Although I do want to get to that at some point. So in business section today of the Washington Post, AI will trigger financial calamity. So that got my attention. It's funny, we were talking about this just the other day. I text in my own personal life. I texted Joe, like, hey, I just checked my 401k because I don't check it on a regular basis. Holy crap. You know, because the stock market's been going up, setting records every single day. I looked at my 400k and it was like, this is incredible. And we're both discussing how there's got to be a correction coming. I want, you know, a smart person might think, you know, maybe I'll put this in something kind of not volatile and wait for the correction to come. Of course, that's how you miss out on a lot of rises, right? Buy the dip.
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Joe Getty
Buy the dip. All right.
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Jack Armstrong
AI is going to cause a financial calamity is what it says. And let me read this to you. The House of Court. And this is from one expert researcher at one of your big AI groups. The house of cards is going to start crumbling. The amount of money being spent is not proportionate to the money that's coming in. These perspectives are all about how, based on the money that's been spent. And we've talked about this a lot of times. Nvidia agreed to invest up to $100 billion, or that's about the size of New York City's entire 20, 24 budget to give you an idea how much money that is in OpenAI. So Nvidia, the chip maker, is investing in one of the AI corporations and providing it with hard to get chips. And the main point that I'll skip to and then I'll get to the details is the AI industry is now buying its own revenue in a circular fashion. They keep buying, investing in each other in ways and we'll invest in your chips. And then the chip maker invests in the AI and the AI puts more money into the hardware or the big giant thing that's gonna power the thing, and then the big company that's gonna power the thing puts more money into Grok or whatever. And it's just a circular thing which could be highly troubling. So much of the stock market is AI involved. The. And they every. Everybody's using the example of the dot com bubble that happened in the 90s where there was this build up, this build up, this buildup a little bit similar in that companies were investing in other companies and investing in each other and it just kept building and building and then, and then it just collapsed all of a sudden. And if you don't remember, there was.
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Joe Getty
An untested revenue model that they were hoping would come true.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, similar to, similar to AI. Yeah. And if you don't remember, if you weren't alive for it or invested at the time, the Nasdaq ultimately lost 75% of its value from the peak to the trough. It wasn't a minor correction. The percentages on this whole thing is just really quite incredible. In video, for instance, has added, added $160 billion. The rise the other day added $160 billion to Nvidia's market value, which has increased by $4 trillion in the last three years. That's an unimaginable amount of money.
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Joe Getty
It's increased by that.
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Jack Armstrong
Yes, it's increased by $4 trillion in three years. You can't even wrap your head around that kind of thing. And I mentioned earlier, as of today, OpenAI, that's the ChatGPT company, it's privately held, it's not a stock, but it reached a valuation of a half a trillion dollars. It's the most valuable privately held company in the world right now and they're investing in each other. For skeptics, it's another dangerous sign of excess because such deals, in which players in the AI ecosystem are exchanging money, are simply financial tricks that are camouflaging. The evidence of a bubble that is about to burst says this Analysis. You know, this person's guessing to a certain point, to a certain extent like everybody else.
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Joe Getty
That's the annoying part about bubbles, is that if you could be sure they were bubbles, they would never happen.
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Jack Armstrong
The capital expenditures made by a very small number of companies, as we been talking about, it's, it's like you got Nvidia, you got Google, you got Tesla, you just got a handful of companies that are driving most of your stock market records. The capital expenditures made by this small number of companies are now contributing more to GDP than, than the spending of all of America's consumers. This person, this financial expert said, I wonder if the black holes ultimately consume each other as well as our economy and power grid in the process, which is obviously a highly troubling idea.
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Joe Getty
That's a little cataclysmic there, son.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. To put it differently, one of the most notorious calamities of the dot com era was the collapse of pets dot com. Everybody uses that one as the example. Its peak market value is about $300 million since the release of ChatGPT in 2022. The value of America's stock market has risen by. Since the release of chat GPT and it's only been out for three years, the stock market has risen by $21 trillion. In a recent piece, this guy from JP Morgan wrote that since that time, AI related stocks have accounted for 75% of S&P 500 returns, 79% of earnings growth and 90% of capital spending growth. That is an awful lot on just a couple of companies. And all of those companies are growing around the idea of AI. Right.
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Joe Getty
You know, I'm reminded of the whimsical yet dark description of the Russian. The Russian armed forces is a midget with one giant muscled arm, which is it's nuclear forces. Is the American economy slash stock market a absolute penniless pauper walking around with the hope diamond in his hand. And if the hope diamond goes away, it's just.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, well, obviously if AI turns out to be what these companies think it's going to be, everything will be fine. But if it's not, or if it's not very soon, that's going to be a problem. I mean, those numbers are shocking. A $21 trillion rise in three years and three quarters to 80% of it, depending on how you count it, is all these handful of companies investing in AI in each other.
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Joe Getty
Right.
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Jack Armstrong
Holy crap.
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Joe Getty
Sounds a little bubbly.
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Jack Armstrong
God, I would say so. Unless it pans out to be what they think it's going to be then everything will be fine. Now to the philosophical thing on AI that I wanted to mention. I don't know if you know who Sam Harris is. He's a philosopher podcaster sort of person. He's on Bill Maher show a lot or whatever. He's got a pretty popular podcast and he's got a series on right now called the Last Invention where he's interviewing all of the top AI minds in the world. And he wanted to get some different points of view on people with a more positive view of AI because he's a doomer. That's what they call people who lean toward the AI is going to ruin humanity and the economy and the world and everything else. Why aren't we stopping this? Those are doomers. I think I lean more toward doomer than the it's going to cure cancer and people won't have to work anymore. Optimists. Um, and then there's also the crowd that just thinks it won't happen, so it won't make any difference. But they were making. Do we have an ad here? I don't remember. Okay, well, how about I tell you this really interesting thing right after this.
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Of the Turing Test when it comes to computers and everything like that. That was one of the biggest phrases around the growing power of computers for decades and decades and decades and decades. Like man, whenever we finally reach the point that something can pass the Turing Test, who, we got to watch out for that, because that's going to be a major moment in human history. That is when you could believe that you're communicating with a human being on the computer, be fooled into thinking it's a human. We passed the Turing test like two, three years ago, and it just came and went without any commentary. I mean, all your experts are saying this was built up and built up and built up. Then it happened. Everybody's like, oh, well, well, let's just keep going. Nobody, nobody slowed down for whatever reason. And on this particular podcast, getting into that topic, and I thought this was a really interesting way to look at it. This is the idea that people are starting to have human communication with their chat bots, and it feels like you're talking to another human. I did it in my Tesla with Grok just yesterday, asking it kind of a banal question, but it was talking to me like it's a passenger in the car. It's very, very weird. This particular philosopher, who I've read some of his books, said, you know, for the very old, you could see this as a positive. You're old, you're alone in an old folks home, all your friends have passed away, you got nobody. And now you're feeling like you've got a companion. That's. How can you argue with that? Right? You know, who cares?
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Joe Getty
But it brings you comfort. Sure, right?
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Jack Armstrong
It brings comfort at the end of your life. But for everybody younger, it is going to destroy something with the idea that. And this philosopher, behavioral philosopher, said loneliness is a powerful signal that we get that tells us we're doing something wrong, that we're not living our life correctly. If you're lonely, you either aren't, you know, joining up groups or taking advantage of invitations to go do things, or making the bold move to ask somebody on a date or whatever. You're living your life. You know, you got to make some corrections. If lonely people can get that loneliness satisfied through a chat bot, there'll be no corrective mechanism to do anything different.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, I quibble only with the word satisfied, because as I've been saying for years and years now, using a food metaphor, you satiate your hunger, you do not get any nutrition.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, the problem though is it'll be enough to keep you from feeling the corrective mechanism. I think that's been proven with, with freaking Internet porn.
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Joe Getty
Well, no, that's, that's, that's my point exactly. Yeah. You will no longer seek that which will keep you alive.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, maybe I didn't.
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Joe Getty
Maybe I didn't make cocaine.
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Jack Armstrong
Maybe I didn't make it clear. He was pointing this out as a negative. This is a bad thing. This is an awful thing. Right? That it will, you know, that it will fool people. It will give people enough to, you know, you don't do the normal correction. You don't think, I've got to get out of my house. I've got to do something. I got to join a bowling league. I got to do something people won't.
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Joe Getty
Right. It'll kill their souls.
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Jack Armstrong
And I don't see how we don't. I don't see how we don't go down that road unless, like Sam Harris is arguing that we outlawed, just flat out outlawed AI. Any company trying to do it around the world. We treat it like nuclear weapons. I would agree. Good luck with that. If you have any comment on that, I think that is a huge problem and might be happening right this moment with, you know, somebody, you know. Text line 415295 KFTC ARMSTRONG and getty.
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Jacob Goldstein
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Jack Armstrong
Come on.
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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
We'Ll read the whole post coming up, but Donald Trump this is breaking news. By the way, breaking news. Donald Trump just put out a post. Hamas is on notice. Gave the terror group until Sunday at 6 Eastern to accept the Gaza peace deal or else all hell will break out. He wrote quite a long post on Truth Social that we'll read a little bit later. Wow.
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Joe Getty
Interesting. A lot of good stuff to come. Including if the shutdown ends because the Republicans give up on one point, it will be the end of the Republic man. Campus Madness update and all sorts of interesting stuff I think. Oh including I'm telling you, I am sold on the idea of ultra processed foods being evil.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh, I'm sure.
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Joe Getty
Granola weirdo. Talking about my latest diet all the time.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm sure it's true. I just, I just don't believe I'll ever be able to stop. But I'm sure it's true.
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Joe Getty
So I give you one. Gregory Jackson Jr. Who is the deputy director of the Biden White House's Office of Gun Violence Prevention and more recently is the head of the Community Justice Action Fund. A real progressive leader being grilled by Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. Clip 80, please. Michael, here's what you say we ought to invest in. Instead of funding the police, we need.
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Jack Armstrong
To invest in programs that acknowledge the.
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Joe Getty
Need for safe space initiatives led by.
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Jack Armstrong
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, two spirit, trans and gender non conforming people.
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Joe Getty
What's two spirit?
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Jack Armstrong
Well, look, I don't know. You guys are pulling some interesting quotes.
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Joe Getty
This is from your report.
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Jack Armstrong
You say don't fund the police, but.
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Joe Getty
Do fund programs that create safe spaces for two spirit people. What is? What is?
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Jack Armstrong
I just want to know. I don't know what that is. I have no idea what that is. Well, honestly, I'm not completely aware of the language.
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Joe Getty
You wrote the report.
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Jack Armstrong
But what I'm telling you is that what we.
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Joe Getty
What is a two spirit individual? I mean, really, I'm. This is your policy.
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Jack Armstrong
This is your policymakers playbook. You don't want to fund the police.
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Joe Getty
You want to fund safe spaces for two spirit individuals. What is a two spirit person?
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Jack Armstrong
I feel like I'm looking at a two faced individual. Because you talk about reduce. You're looking at somebody who's reading you your own words.
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Joe Getty
And I'd like to hear an answer.
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Jack Armstrong
That was a decent Perry. I mean, just to try to switch the topic.
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Joe Getty
I mean, because he was in a bad spot.
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Jack Armstrong
He was in a bad spot that often. These are gotchas that I don't like. There's. That's, that's a perfectly legitimate gotcha. This is your report. I'm asking what this means.
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Joe Getty
And there's a little more.
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Jack Armstrong
They know exactly what they're doing. They did it the last four years. They took money away from cops, they took money away from ice, they took money away from law enforcement. And what did they spend it on in Blue City? Blue City? This kind of gobbledygook garbage. This.
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Joe Getty
Safe spaces.
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Jack Armstrong
This. Hold your hand. Kumbaya 2 Spirit Trans, this and that. And then they wonder why our cities are in shambles and they sit there.
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Joe Getty
And throw stones at Donald Trump as he sends in the National Guard to restore order.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm actually surprised that guy couldn't answer that question.
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Joe Getty
Right. I mean, I'm hip enough to the whole progressive thing. I could tell you what that is.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, it's an Indian thing.
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Joe Getty
Well, Right. Yeah, but he's just, he's just about funneling the money to activist groups with this as the excuse. But that he hasn't bothered to become an expert on the excuse.
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Jack Armstrong
That's.
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Joe Getty
That's wild.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. How embarrassing. Nice job. Josh Hawley.
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Joe Getty
And then Jackson, who was seriously injured in a shooting in 2013, yelled, as someone who's been shot nearly killed, I take offense that you would think that the last 13 years were not focused on reducing violence. Holly shouted back, I take offense that.
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Jack Armstrong
You do not answer my question, that.
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Joe Getty
You deny your own words, that you are leading this committee astray. And frankly, sir, your policies are absurd. They're absurd.
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Jack Armstrong
And start calling more things absurd. This is absurd.
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Joe Getty
It is a great old word.
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Jack Armstrong
It is like if there's not ketchup on the table at the restaurant, this is absurd.
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Joe Getty
All right, so the whole it's funny half an hour after I said is.
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Jack Armstrong
Anything happening on this?
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Joe Getty
The whole Hamas Israel thing is apparently about to move into a new phase.
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Jack Armstrong
God, I would say so. And so might Ukraine and Russia, which we got to talk about later. Yipes. Got a lot on the way. If you miss it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand Armstrong and.
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Joe Getty
Getty.
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Jacob Goldstein
This is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? Business software is expensive and when you buy software from lots of different companies, it's not only expensive, it gets confusing. Slow to use, hard to integrate. Odoo solves that because all Odoo software is connected on a single affordable platform. Save money without missing out on the features you need. Odoo has no hidden costs and no limit on features or data. Odoo has over 60 apps available for any needs your business might have, all at no additional charge. Everything from websites to sales to inventory to accounting. All linked and talking to each other. Check out odoo at o d o o.com that's o d o o dot com.
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Joe Getty
Ugh.
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Jack Armstrong
Come on.
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Jack Armstrong
Okay, this is a pretty big deal. So Donald Trump just truth this out. Where I actually said yesterday I wish he'd put a definite timeline deadline on the whole moss thing, Hamas thing, because he'd been just saying if they don't do it by this weekend. When's this weekend? Friday at 6 or Sunday at midnight? Or you know, you can't have a wishy washy deadline. At least wishy washy deadlines don't work for me. Well, we have a deadline now. Donald Trump's post just from minutes ago. Hamas has been a ruthless and violent threat for many years in the Middle East. This is long by the way. They have killed and made lives unbearably miserable, culminating with the October 7th massacre in Israel. Babies, women, children, old people and many young men and women, boys and girls, getting ready to celebrate their future lives together as retro. As retribution for the October 7th attack on civilization. More than 25,000 Hamas soldiers have already been killed. Most of the rest are surrounded and in all caps, militarily trapped, just waiting for me to give the word. Go for their lives to be quickly extinguished.
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Commercial Voice 1
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Jack Armstrong
As for the rest, we know where and who you are and you will be hunted down and killed. I'm asking that all innocent Palestinians immediately leave this area of potentially great future death for safer parts of Gaza. Everyone will be well cared for by those that are waiting to help. Fortunately for Hamas, however, they will be even one last chance. Great, powerful and very rich nations of the Middle east and the surrounding areas beyond, together with the United States of America, have agreed with Israel, signing on to peace in all caps. After 3,000 years in the Middle East. Now this sentence is all caps. This deal also spares the lives of all remaining Hamas fighters. The details of the document are known to the world and it is a great one for all. We have peace in the Middle East. One way or another, the violence and bloodshed will stop. Release the hostages, all of them, including the bodies of those that are dead. Now that is in all caps. An agreement must be reached with Hamas by Sunday evening at 6pm Washington D.C. time. Every country has signed on. If this last chance agreement is not reached, all hell in caps like no one has ever seen before will break out against Hamas. There will be peace in the Middle east one way or another. All caps. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Joe Getty
Trump is amazing and utterly unique, I'd say.
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Jack Armstrong
I'd say, wow.
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Joe Getty
Of course Hamas is desperate to keep those civilians right where they are at the. They will prevent civilians from fleeing at the point of a gun.
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Jack Armstrong
I think those civilians then will be collateral damage because Israel is going to do what it's going to do.
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Joe Getty
And NPR will blame Israel for it, of course, but there's nothing you can do about that.
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Jack Armstrong
That's a pretty unequivocal statement.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah. And the world needs more unequivocal statements and fewer mush mouthed, you know, mouthing of pleasantries and cliches and hopes. No, that's not the way the world works. Never been the way the world works.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, wars have to end, right? And like he says, there's going to be peace one way or the other. I mean, a temporary peace. Peace. Ish.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Okay.
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Jack Armstrong
All hell like no one has seen will break loose. Okay.
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Joe Getty
Well, I believe that there are, there are the usual suspects. Your European countries in the UN still talking about a two state solution.
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Jacob Goldstein
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
All right.
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Joe Getty
Or, or you know, recognizing the Palestinian state and all that is the polar opposite.
- [31:48]
Jack Armstrong
No kidding.
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Joe Getty
Because that is the realism of Trump.
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Jack Armstrong
Because that is unicorn riding fantasy land.
- [31:54]
Joe Getty
Right. And most of them know that, but they mouth that for consumer, the, you know, their domestic audiences and, or the media.
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Jack Armstrong
It's just like being a pacifist. I mean you get all, you get all the credit for being good and nice and everything like that, but you're not living in reality in any way.
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Joe Getty
Right. Go be a pacifist in Ukraine or Nigeria or something like that. You don't get to be a pacifist protected by the mightiest military in the history of the earth anyway. Well, that will be interesting one way or the other, guaranteed.
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Jack Armstrong
God, I'd say so want to talk.
- [32:32]
Joe Getty
About something that's not going to end in kind of a. Whatever happened with that?
- [32:38]
Jack Armstrong
Right. That is not way it's going to be. So three o' clock my time on the West Coast. Okay, well that's what I'll do on Sunday afternoon.
- [32:46]
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah. All right. What's that? Are you in the mood for something completely different?
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Jack Armstrong
Hells yeah.
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Joe Getty
So you may remember I mentioned this a couple of times and we never got to it. Gosh, it was a month ago, a piece from the Wall Street Journal. My family went off ultra processed foods for a month. The results surprised us and we just never got to it.
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Jack Armstrong
God, I heard a little bit about this yesterday and I thought I've got to make an effort for me and the boys to eat less ultra processed food. It's just so easy. One, it's yummy. Two, we're addicted to it. Three, it's everywhere. I could come up with many reasons why it's hard to quit.
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Joe Getty
Well, dig this stuff. We're going to start with clip 60 Michael and go from there. It's the so cute. Alexandria Hoff on Special Report last night talking about UPFS as we're calling them now these days, saves time instead of ultra processed food. So many syllables. Let's hear 60 Michael.
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Now, a lot of this has been talked about in the context of what we're feeding our children. But new research out of the University of Michigan finds that older Americans are the addictive to the additive heavy nutrient light products known as ultra processed foods. The study finds that UPF addiction is far outpacing reliance on alcohol or tobacco. Especially so for women aged 50 to 64, where 21% qualified as having a UPF addiction. That was determined with the same criteria used to diagnose substance use disorders. For men in the same age group. It was 10% high. Consumption was then associated with poor perception of mental and physical health and feelings of isolation.
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Jack Armstrong
I feel like this is a to.
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Joe Getty
UPFS is much higher than to alcohol and tobacco among women.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. This is the first time I've ever thought about it being an addiction and I'm a little confused by that. But that's interesting because I don't feel like I'm an addict. Like, you know, if you're addicted to whatever you're addicted to, it's not just because it's cheap and easy to get to. Yeah.
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Joe Getty
Not to, not to be flip, but something you want a lot, all the time, even though you know it's not good for you. That could just be laziness and not like 80.
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Jack Armstrong
It's like 80% of my day.
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Joe Getty
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Next things I shouldn't be doing.
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Joe Getty
If I'm so that's why women in their 50s and 60s are especially allegedly addicted to this stuff.
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Jack Armstrong
If it's not just that I like it and that it's cheap and easy, it's I'm actually addicted to it that makes me want to stop even more.
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Joe Getty
Next clip.
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Commercial Voice 1
MICHAEL and this raises concerns for addiction levels to come. The Trump administration's MAHA report released last month underscores that nearly 70% of American child's calories come from UPFs, which is far more than what older generations consumed as kids. Now, as for why the addiction rate is higher in older women versus men, well, researchers theorize that aggressive weight control marketing in the 80s could be to blame for that. Selling women and girls on low fat, microwavable carb heavy products that only made things worse.
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Jack Armstrong
That's right. That was a big thing. Yeah. I'm not.
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Joe Getty
I've heard so many things called addictions and I think sometimes that word gets thrown around a little too easily. But I am very, very intrigued about this one. And then to the article from the journal which I have re found. It's this, this gal, this journalist who decided or agreed to completely avoid UPFS for her family for a month to see what they all thought of it. The results proved transformative. Removing UPF dramatically altered my daughter's eating habits. It changed mine even More, these effects persuaded my husband, who began the experiment as a skeptical observer, to wean himself off ultra processed foods too. And she gets into. They agreed on a simple definition so that her daughter could easily identify UPFs too, when they went shopping together. And that's essentially if you see an ingredient that you don't, you can barely pronounce. I mean, you have to like, sound it out and you don't know what it is, avoid it, don't buy it, which is a little broad, but you know, it's useful.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, so like, if I. I was just thinking, so like, a frozen pizza probably has a gazillion ingredients on there. I don't know. So that. But if I get a pizza from a restaurant delivered, did they use ingredients that are ultra processed food? So I'm doing the same thing.
- [37:19]
Joe Getty
Probably not. Okay. Probably not. So she writes, this eliminated all foods with artificial flavors and anything with refined flowers, including most store bought crackers, cereals, breads, pretzels, granola bars, and the baked goods at our local coffee shops. It meant giving up a bunch of our favorite foods. Cheez Its, Ritz Crackers, Pirates, Booty bagels, Pita chips. What? Oof. Milk chocolate and flavored sparkling waters.
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Jack Armstrong
Are you sitting around eating Cheez Its and Pirate's Booty past the age of 10? Please don't.
- [37:51]
Joe Getty
We stocked up on whole and minimum, minimum processed foods, including oatmeal, plain yogurt, fresh cheeses, beans, nuts.
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Jack Armstrong
Canned fish.
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Joe Getty
Canned fish.
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Jack Armstrong
Canned fish. All right, I'll sit around and eat nuts. There's a number of things I'll chomp on as a snack. I'm not gonna eat canned fish. Well, probably. I'm probably not yet, but I'm still probably not gonna sit on the couch watching a game with a can of fish.
- [38:14]
Joe Getty
You don't like tuna, that's fine.
- [38:16]
Jack Armstrong
Which is probably not gonna be my go to snack.
- [38:18]
Joe Getty
Plus popcorn, fruits. Well, just say a junkie, then. Fruits and veggies, fresh and frozen, etc. Here's the crazy interesting.
- [38:26]
Jack Armstrong
Who wants a can of tuna? Anybody? Huh? Get one while I go to the fridge so I don't have to make two trips.
- [38:31]
Joe Getty
We decided that without UPFs, we could eat as much as we wanted of the other foods, the good stuff. And if we craved a sweet, we would bake it. After a month, we would assess how we felt. We found, however, that the changes came much sooner. About 10 days in, she writes, I noticed a striking shift. I wasn't constantly thinking about food before. I carried around what some call food noise. I had persistent nagging thoughts about what to eat next.
- [38:54]
Jack Armstrong
That's interesting.
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Joe Getty
And she. She mentioned several things, then says, without upfs, my cravings faded. I learned I'm not alone. A randomized controlled eight week trial involving 50 adults published this month in Nature Medicine found that participants who switched to a minimally processed diet lost weight and saw their cravings decline. The guy who led the study said, I was surprised by these findings. When people lose weight, typically their appetite or cravings increase. We found the opposite. My snacking duly plummeted. My daughter's eating habits followed suit. By the third week, she did something I hadn't seen in years. She ate a homemade dinner with gusto. And she mentions what it was and it sounds quite nice. She'd been a picky eater, I thought. But that night she. She gobbled it up and loved it and, and tasted, you know, all the, all the foods for me.
- [39:44]
Jack Armstrong
Way more than the yumminess and everything. It's just the convenience. It's just so damned convenient.
- [39:48]
Joe Getty
It.
- [39:51]
Jack Armstrong
The extra work it takes to not have a peanut butter sandwich with the peanut butter and the bread both having a lot of things in it I probably shouldn't eat.
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Joe Getty
It's just so convenient to stay a junkie living in a tent and crapping on the sidewalk. It is her words.
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Jack Armstrong
I don't know if I'm.
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Joe Getty
You are with your Cheez.
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Jack Armstrong
Its in your. I don't know if I'm going to end up in a tent crapping on.
- [40:12]
Joe Getty
The sidewalk because I eat your pirate's booty. You're a junkie. Listen to you. Listen to your excuses, your denials. It is rationalizations.
- [40:21]
Jack Armstrong
The whole addiction thing is different.
- [40:22]
Joe Getty
What?
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Jack Armstrong
The separating an addiction from a bad habit because they're not the same thing. An addiction is not the same as a bad habit. Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
- [40:31]
Joe Getty
Nobody knows. Yeah.
- [40:32]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
- [40:33]
Joe Getty
So listen, the Niners Rams game last night was one of the best football games I've ever witnessed. Although it was very, very long.
- [40:42]
Jack Armstrong
Both my kids had homework and I had to help them. Damn it.
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Joe Getty
That's no excuse. Actually, that's an excellent excuse. Anyway, if you want to spice up your sports viewing, whether it's the baseball playoffs or the football man, prize picks is a good way to do it. It's simple, it's easy, it's fun. And I like the fact that, I mean, like, if you use our code, you download the Price Picks app and you play a five dollar lineup, they'll give you fifty dollars in lineups to play around with. You don't need to win. It's automatic. And listen, just you know, whatever level you're comfortable with. $5 is fun.
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Jack Armstrong
Do it.
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Joe Getty
Why not Prize Picks?
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
Yeah, just pick more or less on at least at least two player stats. You can even combine sports. That's fine. Prize Picks. And again the code is Armstrong Prize Picks. It's good to be right.
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Jack Armstrong
I will continue reviewing the new Taylor Swift album as I've listened to it front to back and and a lot of other news that we got going on there. There's some Russia, Ukraine stuff that's highly troubling coming on the heels of what Trump just said about Israel. Wow, the world is spicy.
- [41:54]
Joe Getty
Stick around Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Ah, come on.
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Joe Getty
Many of you asked.
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Jack Armstrong
Me this morning about sombreros and memes and why. Why Hakeem Jeffries is all alarmed by that. Look, these are games. These are sideshows.
- [45:25]
Joe Getty
People are getting caught up in.
- [45:27]
Jack Armstrong
In battles over social media memes.
- [45:29]
Joe Getty
We've got to keep the. This is not a game. We got to keep the government open for the people.
- [45:32]
Jack Armstrong
I don't know why this is so complicated. And to my friend Hakeem, who I was asked about, man, just ignore it.
- [45:38]
Joe Getty
I mean, Gavin Newsom was trolling me last night. He painted me like a minion.
- [45:42]
Jack Armstrong
He painted me yellow with big glasses and overalls, and I thought it was hilarious.
- [45:47]
Joe Getty
You don't respond to it.
- [45:48]
Jack Armstrong
For all my friends, for all my.
- [45:49]
Joe Getty
Friends, Rs and Ds don't respond to it.
- [45:52]
Jack Armstrong
Get to work, do the people's business, and let's get on with it. Have you been following any of Charlie Cook's writing in the National Review about this?
- [46:01]
Joe Getty
I haven't, no.
- [46:02]
Jack Armstrong
He thinks shutdowns should be a Regular part of our system. It just should happen on a regular basis. What's the big deal?
- [46:11]
Joe Getty
It's, it's fine, it's, it's an evidence of dysfunction, I think. But I'll have to read his reasoning. Yeah, I'm fine with this one. I don't care.
- [46:22]
Jack Armstrong
Right.
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Joe Getty
I mean, they got to get it going eventually. But so we've mentioned a couple of times that if the Republicans give on one aspect of this, the experiment in self governance is over. And that's only half a joke. It's specifically, and I'm, I'm quoting from the Journal, that the President has projected what they call unwavering confidence that he is winning the messaging war over the government shutdown. But behind the scenes, his team is increasingly concerned that the issue at the center of the debate will create political vulnerabilities for Republicans. Specifically, it's some of those obvious common sense reforms on Medicare. Advisors are worried the GOP will take the blame for allowing healthcare subsidies to expire, raising costs for millions of Americans ahead of next year's midterm elections, according to the administration officials. Here's the deal. During COVID the Democrats passed temporary boosts to who's eligible and how it's gonna work and how much money you get. And those boosts allowed able bodied people who ought to be working to get heavily taxpayer subsidized health care, health insurance, really. It permitted a lot of illegal immigrants to jump on the rolls and it permitted a lot of these zero cost plans that as we were discussing Yesterday, something like 40% of those made zero claims last year. But the insurance companies were still paid for them by the taxpayers. And a lot of these people were unaware they were even enrolled. And so that's all the Republicans are trying to do, is rein in those, mainly those three things. And if they think, you know, the whole you're taking health care away from people is, that's a good message. And we're afraid if we stand up to them, we'll be blamed. Yeah, let's, let's go ahead and give in on this one. Yeah, I think we're doomed.
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Jack Armstrong
It's troubling because it's a lot like the voting stuff was where they relaxed all kinds of voting rules during COVID because it was so hard to vote. And then when you tried to go back to the old way, it was portrayed as voter suppression. Yeah.
- [48:33]
Joe Getty
Nazism, Jim Crow on steroids.
- [48:35]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. And the mainstream media, you know, went along with it. And a lot of people who weren't paying close attention were Confused. And the Republicans are afraid that that or Trump anyway, is afraid that that same thing will happen here. The mainstream media will portray it, of course, as taking away people's health care, even though it was a supposed to be a short term emergency sort of thing during COVID be portrayed as. And people will believe that it's taken away people's health care. And Trump, you know, for better or worse, and I think this is worse, is not an ideologue in that he. I don't know if he's an ideologue on anything other than tariffs, even the border. Might just be because he sees it such an easy winning issue that 85% of people are in agreement with. I don't know if he's an ID log on hardly anything. And if he thinks this is going to hurt chances in the midterms, I can see how he would give on this. And then you're right, then there's nobody. It is discouraging.
- [49:29]
Joe Getty
I mean, you want to talk about the high cost of good intentions. This is a very short term, easily explained, you know, fairly insignificant program that got boosted briefly for a specific reason. Now we're just going to take it back to normal because, I mean, there's so many problems with the boost. It was so sloppy and expensive. Got to rein it in. But those who would grow the government and do nothing but grow the government can make a powerful enough case. Everybody gets scared and says, no, we can't do that. We can't do that. We're done as a people.
- [50:05]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, there you go.
- [50:06]
Joe Getty
As a government system.
- [50:07]
Jack Armstrong
Happy Friday, huh?
- [50:09]
Joe Getty
What are you going to do? What are you gonna do? Personally, I'm gonna arm myself and go door to door and loot my neighbors.
- [50:16]
Jack Armstrong
When the chaos comes, that's one option.
- [50:21]
Joe Getty
Steal their stuff, you know, kiss their wives, pet their dogs.
- [50:24]
Jack Armstrong
Wow, we got a couple more hours to go. If you miss a segment or an hour, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on Demand.
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We have no stores.
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