Cannibalism Is Right Around The Corner

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Cannibalism Is Right Around The Corner

Date: October 6, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty dive into the current political, legal, and cultural events dominating the news cycle. The episode focuses on the U.S. government shutdown, looming Supreme Court cases (particularly around free speech and gender issues), updates on international conflicts, the AI industry’s new business deals, and quirky stories making headlines. The tone is characteristically irreverent, with a blend of dry humor, skepticism, and concern over political norms.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Government Shutdown: Indifference & "Cannibalism"

• The hosts riff on the now one-week-long government shutdown, noting its relatively low impact on the day-to-day lives of most Americans. Joe Getty jokes about "reacquiring a taste for human flesh" in response to the shutdown.

  • Quote:

    "I have bit by bit been reacquiring a taste for human flesh because the cannibalism is right around the corner, folks."
    — Joe Getty [01:30]

• They discuss poll results showing little political pressure from the public, despite media attempts to stir drama.

  • Quote:

    "The main thing being very low paying attention to it factor... If people aren't like nobody's writing their congressman over this or anything like that or marching in the street, what's the political pressure for anything to move?"
    — Jack Armstrong [07:43]

• The narrative that Republicans are being mostly blamed is questioned, as polls show mixed views and overall apathy.

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2. Supreme Court: Major Cases & Constitutional Questions

• The Supreme Court's unusually busy off-season is highlighted, having handled many "emergency" decisions. Several upcoming cases could have sweeping constitutional implications:
  • Trump’s Emergency Tariffs: The legitimacy and scope of executive emergency powers on trade.
    • "That's going to be decided here ... That might be the biggest one is this whole tariff thing." — Jack Armstrong [02:35]
  • Free Speech & Gender Issues: A Colorado ban on conversion therapy is challenged on First Amendment grounds. The case pits regulations on "conversion therapy" (including talk therapy aimed at helping minors accept their biological sex) against claims of professional free speech.
    • Joe Getty is particularly passionate (and worried) about the case's outcome:

      "The lower courts ruled against Ms. Childs...The idea that talk therapy is conduct, not speech. That could get a chilly reception from the justices...I swear to God, if this goes the wrong way, I don't know what I'll do, but it will be notable."
      — Joe Getty [25:50]

  • Gender-Related Sports and Participation: The Court is expected to decide on whether boys can participate in girls’ sports.
    • "So they're going to make the final decision, I think on can boys participate in girls sports or not..."
      — Jack Armstrong [04:27]

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3. International News: Middle East, Russia, & Hostage Situations

• Updates on the Israel-Hamas negotiations in Egypt, focusing on the difficulty of recovering hostages or victims’ bodies.

  • Quote:

    "That's part of what they're working on right now in Egypt is getting the, the remaining living hostages out and then the bodies of quite a few dead hostages out of there. Also Hamas said some of them, they're buried under rubble. Man, I don't know how you're going to get them out of there."
    — Jack Armstrong [09:37]

• Russian attacks on Ukraine's infrastructure make the headlines.

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4. Big Tech & AI: Bubble Worries and Major Business Moves

• OpenAI and AMD have struck a massive multi-billion-dollar deal, potentially challenging Nvidia's market dominance in AI computing.
  • The hosts compare the current investment environment in AI to historical financial bubbles, wondering if it will burst.
    • "Does the AI thing ever happen or is it just these big companies investing each in each other? This could end up being, I'm not predicting this...This could end up being the biggest bubble in the history of bubbles."
      — Jack Armstrong [10:53]
  • Joe Getty muses: "You're scaring me before Halloween is even here." [11:23]

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5. News Round-Up & Social Commentary (with Katie Green)

(13:25–17:45)

• Bari Weiss named CBS News Editor, lauded for her trajectory and impact on media business.
• Inside Trump-Netanyahu Exchange: Reportedly tense, with Trump telling Bibi: "Stop being so effing negative." [13:48]
  • Joe Getty quips, imitating Netanyahu: "I'm being effing realistic. Could be, replied Bibi, whether silently or out loud." [13:53]
• National Guard Disputes: Courts (including a Trump appointee) block relocation/federalization of National Guard to Oregon amid demonstrations.
• Controversial Photo: New York State Assemblyman Zoran Mandani pictured with a Ugandan official who supports anti-gay laws.
• Tech Trends: Young people romanticizing "old" tech (CDs, flip phones, digital cameras) to regain control from screens—hosts skeptical this is more than a hipster fad.
  • "I'm gonna start churning my own butter." — Jack Armstrong [16:52]
• Guns Removed from Bond Posters: Amazon deletes guns from every James Bond film poster, leading to visual oddities.
  • "That’s really gonna solve everything." — Joe Getty [17:18]
  • "Hollywood. As left as left can get. Turns out idiots violent gun toten movie after gun totem over and over again." — Joe Getty [17:18]
• Clickbait & Satire: Robot snakes in South Korea, and Babylon Bee jokes about Taylor Swift dating a "dumb hairy football jock."

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6. Culture & Comedy

• Saturday Night Live (SNL):
  • Jack calls the recent episode "the least funny episode [he's] ever seen," pointing to both writing changes and political slant.
    • "I've watched nearly every episode...That was the least funny episode I've ever seen." — Jack Armstrong [19:10]
    • Joe Getty: "Weirdly, I feel compelled to check it out." [19:56]
• AI Companions:
  • A new "Friend" necklace listens and gives positive feedback—hosts joke about the loneliness of those who might buy it.
    • "If you think you have no real friends now, wait till everyone sees you talking to your necklace." — Joe Getty [18:48]

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7. Mailbag & Listener Questions (33:24+)

• Listeners ask about inside jokes and running sound clips; the hosts promise to compile explanations.
• On the importance of ignoring what you dislike rather than fueling outrage cycles.
  • "Sometimes it's important to fight back, but a lot of times ignoring something makes it go away faster." — Listener Ryan [36:48]

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Notable and Memorable Quotes

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|--------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:30 | Joe Getty | "I have bit by bit been reacquiring a taste for human flesh because the cannibalism is right around the corner, folks."| | 03:18 | Joe Getty | "[Tariff case] is going to be enormous...there's no doubt whether you love it or hate it...Trump is pushing constitutional norms a lot."| | 10:53 | Jack Armstrong | "Does the AI thing ever happen or is it just these big companies investing each in each other? This could end up being...the biggest bubble in the history of bubbles."| | 19:10 | Jack Armstrong | "I've watched nearly every episode [of SNL]...That was the least funny episode I've ever seen." | | 25:50 | Joe Getty | "The idea that talk therapy is conduct, not speech. That could get a chilly reception from the justices...I swear to God, if this goes the wrong way, I don't know what I'll do, but it will be notable."| | 36:48 | Listener Ryan| "Sometimes it's important to fight back, but a lot of times ignoring something makes it go away faster." |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:53 – General manager riff, setting the comedic tone
• 01:30 – Government shutdown and “cannibalism” joke
• 02:35 – Supreme Court: major upcoming cases
• 04:27 – Gender, sports, and the law
• 09:07 – Hostage update and Israel-Hamas peace talks
• 10:14 – OpenAI & AMD AI chip deal analysis
• 13:25–17:45 – News headlines roundtable w/ Katie Green
• 19:10 – Critique of SNL and cultural observations
• 20:04 – In-depth discussion: Supreme Court conversion therapy case
• 33:24–38:37 – Listener mailbag and community interaction

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Tone & Style

The show is fast-paced, sarcastic, and irreverent, balancing skepticism with genuine concern for issues of free speech, medical ethics, and political liberties. Armstrong and Getty poke fun at the news, criticize both sides, and engage in conversational banter filled with pop culture and sports references.

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For New Listeners

If you haven't tuned in, this episode gives you a feel for Armstrong & Getty's mix of political skepticism, cultural critique, and humor—covering everything from the Supreme Court to SNL flops and AI doom-mongering, always with a touch of absurdity and self-awareness.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast broadcasting live.

[Joe Getty]

From the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at.

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The George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty live.

[Joe Getty]

From Studio C. C. It's a dimly lit room, deep with the.

[Jack Armstrong]

The bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And today, Monday, New month, we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Joe Getty]

I know you'd like to go more in the direction of a definite person, but I have decided to go a different way. I'm going to get more artsy with the general manager.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would say. I would say I prefer working for an individual rather than a concept, but.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, I'm going beyond that, man. I'm going for art. From here on out, I'm going to follow my muse. Today's general manager.

[Jack Armstrong]

Watch out. Joe's following his muse. Stand back.

[Joe Getty]

Today's general manager, the deal that wasn't. You're taking a sip. I was hoping to get a spit take.

[Jack Armstrong]

The candles are still burning in here because of the shutdown. We. We've been burning candles since the shutdown began. It's now been a full week. This is the fourth longest shutdown in the last half century. And I know we're all feeling it. I had forgotten it had happened until I walked in this morning. But.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, I have bit by bit been reacquiring a taste for human flesh because the cannibalism is right around the corner, folks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, right.

[Joe Getty]

Or the murder, the blood, the cannibalism. A neighbor attacking neighbor did I guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, that the deal you're talking about is a shutdown. Or were you talking about Hamas, Israel, which they're meeting in Egypt as we speak.

[Joe Getty]

Cleverly. Both.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, look at you.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I'm telling you, Art, like I said. Yeah, the. The deal that wasn't also applies to the Middle east thing, as everybody said. Yeah, we agree to it. We just have, you know, strong reservations about some key points. But yes, we agree to it, but we need to negotiate, like, major points. So you have no deal yet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Hamas is up again. They are hurting. They need to make a deal. Unless, and this is. It's a big fat unless. Unless they are willing to be a dead ender suicide squad for the rest of their existence, which is entirely possible.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you are a fan of civics, you might know that the first Monday in October means the Supreme Court is back in session and we've got the list of cases they're taking up this season. The most Interesting thing about the Supreme Court this time around is they didn't really get the break they normally get. They decided to tons of stuff since they quit last June with all these emergency. This is. And that's that have happened, which is our new world constant emergency, which is kind of actually one of the things that they're going to decide are we in an emergency right now where Trump gets to declare all these tariffs? Yes or no? That's going to be decided here in the, where they're going to take it up the first week of November. That's a huge, that might be the biggest one is this whole tariff thing.

[Joe Getty]

Never mind in terms of like immediate effect. Yeah, it's going to be enormous, certainly enormous financial effect. And there's no doubt whether you love it or hate it or somewhere in between that Trump is pushing constitutional norms a lot. And so there's been a lot to rule on, you know, declaring various emergencies. Therefore we're going to send in the National Guard. We'll talk about that more too. There's actually a free speech case that I am feverishly interested in that it's coming up this session that's just so big.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know that one. Okay, cool. I know.

[Joe Getty]

I actually had the thought if this one goes the wrong way, I'm leaving the country. Like I'm some sort of C list TV star.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're gonna go live with Ellen DeGeneres.

[Joe Getty]

And her wife and, and, and who's, who's the chubby gal who fights with Trump? Rosie o'. Donnell. Thank you, Michael. That's right. Yes. We're, we're looking at a three bedroom flat.

[Jack Armstrong]

You and Alec Baldwin's wife are going to live in Ireland.

[Joe Getty]

Judy told me you're out of your mind. You're on your own. So I guess this is the end for us as well. But I can't live in this country. Supreme Court, if the decision goes the wrong way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Supreme Court's coming, taking up a couple or has a couple in front of them. So they're going to make the final decision, I think on can boys participate in girls sports or not going to figure that out.

[Joe Getty]

The free speech case has to do with gender bending madness as well. And the fact that it's gotten to the Supreme Court is stunning to me as an appeals court ruled the wrong way. And I mean like, are you out of your blanket minds? The wrong way. More on that to come.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we had a judge jump in over the weekend and say Trump can't send the National Guard to Portland. Was that the city.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

Send a National Guard over the place. And so you got one of those. And then there's a decent chance that a higher court, the higher court is going to jump in and say, no, I can until we look at it.

[Joe Getty]

The interesting part was the, the judge, the first judge you mentioned is a Trump appointee.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but that's the other thing we got to figure out is can we constantly have these back and forths over presidential executive orders and stuff. Everything gets shut down by a judge and ah.

[Joe Getty]

Tell you what, they got their work cut out for them though. You're absolutely right. The soups.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the.

[Joe Getty]

Right, exactly. One more note on that. I was reading some, you know, preview article in the New York Times and they emphasized it, it was the truth that misleads. They say over and over again the Trump's, I'm sorry, the court's conservative majority is sided with the President hinting that, you know, as you expected, all the damn time. When everybody who looks into this for five minutes knows that it's, it's five to four or six to three conservatives and the liberals like 15% of the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. That is the, the, the rarity as opposed to the norm.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah, yeah. But you know what, you got a narrative, you stick with it, don't you? New York Times, there are no more.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unbeatens in the NFL as the Eagles and the Bills both lost yesterday. So that's kind of exciting. Parody, if you like parody. I'm a big fan of parody. You like?

[Joe Getty]

I don't mind par. It's fine. Yeah, great.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the baseball playoffs going on, which I've been watching, they're gonna have a vote on the shutdown thing, I guess today and they'll either pass it or they won't. I don't know, whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Seriously. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, the shutdown. As I started to dig in right.

[Jack Armstrong]

This morning. So I was actually taking in some media by accident about the shutdown. And one of the pundits was saying, you know, if people aren't paying attention and they, they seem to not be according to polling and then just, I think everybody can feel it in their lives that everybody, it's a big yawn for everybody. But the media, what political pressure can either party bring to bear to get something to happen if the country is like, whatever, we're watching the baseball.

[Joe Getty]

Did you see the big poll that came out? They reported on ABC News last night. I don't recall who did the poll, but it was one of the biggies that I think it was 47% of people blame the Republicans for the shutdown to the extent that they care. And it was only like 30% or something. Blamed. Blame the Democrats.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. There are other polls saying the opposite. They're, they're, they're, they're a mix. Yeah, they're definitely.

[Joe Getty]

All right, fair enough.

[Jack Armstrong]

From the weekend. And, and, and the main thing being very low paying attention to it factor. So again, if there's, if people aren't like nobody's writing their congressman over this or anything like that or marching in the street, what's the political pressure for anything to move? I wonder if that builds over time. So even as short as it's been, what, a week? It's the fourth longest in the last 50 years. And we'll see where we are a week from now.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I read one interesting opinion piece that said if the Republicans cave on their very, very modest paring back of the increases in various programs during COVID that we are now France.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oof.

[Joe Getty]

The francification has been finalized and we no longer have the will to say look, we take in a certain amount. That's how much we can spend. I mean obviously we've blown through that barrier, but we've, we've lost the will to even say that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Interesting business deal that was announced this, this morning. But we need to start the show officially before we get to that. I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty on this. It is the first Monday in October, October 6, Monday, the year 2025 where Armstrong and getting. We approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

All right, let's begin the show officially according to FCC rules and rags. So much to get to. Let's get to it at mark.

[Jack Armstrong]

I spent 484 days in captivity. I witnessed violence and cruelty. I experienced myself violence and cruelty and abuse of many kinds that haunt me to this day. That's one of the hostages obviously living who has gotten out. Tomorrow is a two year anniversary or I guess you mark the two years. Do you call it an anniversary when something that awful happens?

[Joe Getty]

Well, it is, you know, October 7th.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that's part of what they're working on right now in Egypt is getting the, the remaining living hostages out and then the bodies of quite a few dead hostages out of there. Also Hamas said some of them, they're buried under rubble. Man, I don't know how you're going to get them out of there. That's going to be a job. Yeah, that's pretty rough. So we'll be talking about that business deal. I wanted to Mention before we take a break and then get to Katie's headlines. This fits in with what I was talking about last week. It was an article in the Washington post, I think OpenAI and then something called AMD who makes chips.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, huge chip company have just made.

[Jack Armstrong]

A massive computing deal marking a new phase of the AI boom. It's a five year agreement. It's gazillions of dollars, multi, multi, billions of dollars. And it's going to change Nvidia's market dominance as OpenAI is getting with this other chip making company. But it fits in perfectly without our article last week that this could very well be a bubble with the companies. They're just investing in each other. So this is another giant AI company investing in a giant chip company that's going to make chips for AI stuff.

[Joe Getty]

And with their profits they'll invest in a couple of giant AI companies. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And yes, does the AI thing ever happen or is it just these big companies investing each in each other? This could end up being. I'm not predicting this because I don't have any idea. Neither do you. This could end up being the biggest bubble in the history of bubbles. Oh no. If it ends up being a bubble.

[Joe Getty]

Too early in the week to contemplate, easily could be.

[Jack Armstrong]

If it, if the AI thing doesn't pan out. I mean the amount of money is just incredible. And the stock market where it is is mostly those big giant companies.

[Joe Getty]

It's wild.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll see.

[Joe Getty]

You're scaring me before Halloween is even here. All right, final note before we go to break, here's your headline of the day.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

Plane forced to land after wacko wearing 15 masks screams that gay people were giving him cancer. There's a lot to take in there.

[Jack Armstrong]

In what sense is he a wacko? 15 masks.

[Joe Getty]

That. That was a quote from one of the fellow passengers. Gay people are giving cancer. That's allegedly so many questions. All right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, we'll get to that story and others. We got Katie's headlines on the way. Our text line is 415295KFTC.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

The story of Bari Weiss leaving the New York Times, starting her own thing and now being named the news editor at CBS is one of the great media business stories. Ever get into that a little bit later? Absolutely incredible.

[Joe Getty]

If you're a fan like I am, like we are of the free press, Barry has also come out and explained exactly what's going to happen now and it's very reassuring. Yeah. So I was pleased with that. Speaking of the news, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie.

[Katie Green]

All right, starting with the New York Post, inside Trump's blunt exchange with Netanyahu after major development in Gaza peace deal, quote, so effing negative.

[Jack Armstrong]

Apparently Trump told Bibi, stop being so effing negative.

[Joe Getty]

I'm being effing realistic. Could be, replied Bibi, whether silently or out loud.

[Katie Green]

From the Washington Post.

[Jack Armstrong]

Although, although you have been around people when you're trying to put something together, just like just always reasons why it can't work.

[Joe Getty]

Sure. Can't do guys. Yeah, we call them. Yeah.

[Katie Green]

From the Washington Post. Russian air attack across Ukraine damages energy networks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And on it goes.

[Jack Armstrong]

It works both ways, though.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of deals that aren't happening, from.

[Katie Green]

ABC judge to block relocation, federalization or deployment of any National Guard to Oregon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, one judge jumped in on that. Gavin Newsom's very excited about it. We'll see if higher, the higher court, Supreme Court or whoever jumps in on this and says no, you can it in theory, Trump's sending the National Guard to protect federal buildings, which he has.

[Joe Getty]

Every right to do so. And I hesitate even ask, but. So Trump federalized the Oregon National Guard to send them to Portland. Judge said no. And so Trump said fine, we'll send the California National Guard. And then the judge shot that one down. Is that what's happening now?

[Jack Armstrong]

I believe so.

[Joe Getty]

All right, close enough.

[Katie Green]

From AOL News, Zoran Mandani flashes beaming stone smile and picture with Uganda bigwig who pushed law to jail gay people for life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, by the way, Michael, if you can grab that from Saturday night Live. They had a joke about Mum Dami and isn't the joke wasn't funny. But when they mentioned his name, the.

[Joe Getty]

Crowd erupted in cheers.

[Jack Armstrong]

In New York. I thought that was interesting. They got it okay.

[Joe Getty]

Socialism is the greatest fraud ever invented. Every generation falls for it no matter how miserably. It fails every time it's tried.

[Katie Green]

From cnn. Robot snakes and tortoises. Meet the reptiles of the future.

[Jack Armstrong]

Holy crap. Robot snakes actually got a physical reaction out of me.

[Joe Getty]

I shuddered.

[Katie Green]

It's happening in South Korea. They say it's a host of animals that could one day be used in space.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do we need robot snakes in space for?

[Joe Getty]

For robot tortoises in space.

[Jack Armstrong]

Finally, robot tortoises.

[Joe Getty]

Are you playing Mad Libs again, Katie?

[Katie Green]

Possibly from the Wall Street Journal. Young people are falling in love with old technology. Being driven by the feeling that they've lost control to screens. Teens and 20 somethings are resurrecting CDs, flip phones and digital cameras.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I hope this is true. I'm skeptical though. That's not just a fad. It's cool to do this or that. Like I, I, I, I know hipster young people who wear like your old timey digital watches because it's like trendy, cool to be, you know, 80s or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

I wanna, I want to put together a all analog sound system, like a listening room in my house. But I need somebody to do it for me.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm gonna start churning my own butter.

[Joe Getty]

There you go.

[Katie Green]

From Breitbart.com Amazon deletes guns from every single James Bond film poster.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you gotta be kidding.

[Katie Green]

And they all look really bad because.

[Joe Getty]

He'S got his hand up here. Like what are you doing with your hand there? What is, what are you pointing at? A bird? Yeah, I know. Well that, that's really gonna solve everything.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, sure.

[Joe Getty]

Hollywood. As left as left can get. Turns out idiots violent gun toten movie after gun totem over and over again.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good point.

[Katie Green]

And finally from the Babylon B, Taylor Swift assures Travis Kelce that new song called Dumb hairy football Jock isn't about him.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got a lot of news to get to. Hope you can stay here. If you missed a segment at the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

Now that there's an AI powered necklace you can buy called Friend that listens to everything you say and then gives you positive feedback. I just like to say to the poor lonely people who buy this, if you think you have no real friends now, wait till everyone sees you talking to your necklace.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mm, the digital world. Inspiring.

[Joe Getty]

Troubling.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Michael and I were just talking. He agreed with me. I I have watched nearly every episode of Saturday Night live for since 1975 or whenever it came on the air. That was the least funny episode I've ever seen. And wow, that's saying something. He had the same experience. It was weird first episode of the year and you've had, you know, all summer to come up with jokes. They had the biggest turnover in staff they've ever had. But did they get new, all new writers? Anyway, it was just, it was just not funny. And I know a lot of you hate Saturday Night Live because their politics and everything like that. I like sketch comedy, so I like Saturday Night Live, but it just wasn't funny. I was like, wow, this is incredibly bad.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. So I don't, I don't know, Lauren.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you finally gotten too old or something? I don't know what happened there.

[Joe Getty]

Weirdly, I feel compelled to check it out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

See how unfunny it is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Flat. Anyhow, not important.

[Joe Getty]

So this is one of the many, many impactful Supreme Court cases. This session is a free speech case that I am crazy fired up about. I'll hit you with the facts. Then there's a follow up opinion piece about it that we can talk about. But the question at the Supreme Court tomorrow we're going to get right to this is counseling, free speech. Lefty Colorado and the legislature passed a ban on counselors engaging in conversion therapy, which in the past was like a in very broad and purposefully you Know ridiculous terms trying to browbeat a kid out of being gay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I thought that was old timey, though. I didn't know that was still a thing.

[Joe Getty]

Well, here's, here's the deal. The law says counselors cannot try to change a minor, minor client's gender identity or sexual orientation, including behaviors or gender expressions. The statute explicitly permits, however, assistance to a person undergoing gender transmission transition.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, what do you, what do you mean by counselors? Like, I've told the story of. I know somebody who. I'll be vague. But anyway, it's a person that does therapy for people and how they have talked so many, like teens out of being a different gender. Like just like with like 20 minutes of conversation. And when they decide, yeah, you're probably right. I'm just not.

[Joe Getty]

I'm unhappy about other things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Are you not allowed to do that.

[Joe Getty]

By law in Colorado?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. Because this particular therapist was talking about a lot of her therapist friends. You know, go 100% you. You feel like you're a boy. Okay, cool. This is what we need to do. We need to get a hold of a doctor, blah, blah, blah.

[Joe Getty]

She, however, some hormones. Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

She, however, at least explores the idea that maybe you're just going through a rough patch and you're not actually a boy. And, and has had great success in convincing people fairly quickly that they're not. But they would make that.

[Joe Getty]

I wouldn't even use that. I wouldn't even use the term convincing. I think that's, that's prejudicial.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're right.

[Joe Getty]

It is helping them understand.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're right.

[Joe Getty]

It is just opening the door to their own feelings. Anyway. And interestingly, the next paragraph talks about. Oh, there's more. Hang on. Talks about this counselor. And it's any sort of counselor. Anybody in the mental health field is bound by this law. And this woman happens to be a Christian who, quote, believes clients can accept the bodies that God has given them and find peace. And I appreciate the fact that so many folks at the forefront of these battles are devoutly religious, Christian, generally speaking. But part of the reason for that is we have such a great assertion of freedom of religion in this country. And so the courts pay special attention to that. But on a purely intellectual, scientific basis, there's an incredibly powerful argument to be made that, no, just because a confused 13 year old says, I'm a boy now doesn't mean it's true. I could be a Christian, an atheist, a Quaker, it doesn't matter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Druid, could you be a Druid?

[Joe Getty]

You absolutely could be a druid. Thank you. But she says there's a constitution. Oh. She fears being punished if she discusses such things with minors experiencing gender dysphoria. That's constitutional violation, she argues, obviously, because the First Amendment protects, quote, private conversations between counselors and their clients. Colorado responds that she's overreading the law, claiming that none of what Ms. Childs says she wants to do is banned. Rather, the state prohibits a range of treatments from electric shocks to hypnosis to role playing to cognitive behavioral therapies if they're done in an. In an effort to alter a minor's gender identity or sexual orientation. The state argues such conversion therapy is harmful. Substandard healthcare, even if it only involves talking. Cognitive behavioral therapy is talking and helping people understand their thought processes and the habits they have of thinking. That's. It's entirely speech hypnosis. But, you know, they. They mentioned electric shocks. Please. Who's in favor of that? But the plain text of the law appears broader than Colorado now prefers to admit. Quote a therapist. This is a quote from law. A therapist treating a minor who seeks to understand whether they identify as a girl or boy should help that patient. Explore that question, the state says. Explore how? If you help them in any way away from that, you're in violation of the law. Imagine a family coming to counseling with a little boy who has dysphoria and likes trying on his sister's dresses. If a therapist discourages this for now, how is that not an illegal effort to, quote, change behaviors or gender expression? Yet Colorado's legislatures. Legislators made sure to add a line making clear that giving assistance for a gender transition is acceptable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course.

[Joe Getty]

So if there's any gray area, we just want you to know. Assisting. Yes. Any sort of resisting?

[Jack Armstrong]

No. Surely this won't hold up, right?

[Joe Getty]

Listen to this. This is. This is why I'm so blanking fired up. The lower courts ruled against Ms. Childs, with the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals holding 2 to 1. The Colorado's law only incidentally involves speech, since it merely regulates professional conduct and bans a type of prohibited treatment. The state argues that this is a routine regulation of healthcare, not a free speech question, akin to oversight, quote, of a surgeon who income incompetently closes a suture.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hmm.

[Joe Getty]

That is a ridiculous and horrifying argument.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I didn't go to law school, but that doesn't make sense to me.

[Joe Getty]

The idea that talk therapy is conduct, not speech. That could get a chilly reception from the justices, who are already always wary of claimed exceptions. To the First Amendment. I agree completely. I swear to God, if this goes the wrong way, I don't. I don't know what I'll do, but it will be notable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are they trying to electrocute people out of being gay at one point? That's the worst thing I've ever heard.

[Joe Getty]

No, that. That is. That is a typical. They're trying to kill us. They're trying to wipe us out. I don't feel safe anymore. They want to kill us and electrocute us. It's that. That we're under fire. We're afraid. Progressive fantasy thing playing out. And then I came across this, an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal written by Kristen Wagoner, who is the person drawing. I'm sorry, arguing this suit in front of the Supreme Court. And the title of this is False Charges of Hate Encourage Violence. And she mentions that the adl, the Anti Defamation Week. Anti Defamation League, Sorry, Last week retired its glossary of extremism because there was a huge backlash because they designated Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA as an extremist organization. Months before the assassination, the Southern Poverty Law center, which is one of the phoniest, most evil organizations on the planet, added Turning Point USA to its hate map, equating it with the Ku Klux Klan.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

And so. And Ms. Wagner writes, the SPLC labeled my organization a hate group in 2016, around the time we asked the Supreme Court to hear our case on behalf of Colorado cake artist Jack Phillips and his Masterpiece Cake Shop. You remember that famous case, these designations encourage violence. My car window was shot out shortly after I argued Masterpiece Cake Shop before the justices. And we see a spike in death threats whenever we see we receive fresh media or fresh mentions in the media. The threats reached a fever pitch after Kirk's assassination ahead of the Supreme Court term in which we have cases pending. On Tuesday, we deliver oral arguments in Childs vs Salazar, the case I was talking about, which will determine whether states can forbid licensed counselors from helping children with gender dysphoria become more comfortable with their sex. And again, that's the great sentence. You can confirm they should change sex, but it's illegal to suggest they can remain the same sex, which is just bizarre. But anyway, she writes, for the first time in our history, we will not hold a rally outside the court. Security professional professionals warned us that the threats of violence at an outdoor event were too great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. I didn't know people were willing to get violent over the gake ruling.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well. And she goes into a fair amount of detail about how many times they've been assaulted, their windows shut out, their office is vandalized, and how they all have to. The public facing folks like her have to have private security. Groups like the ADL and SPLC are fostering hate by dehumanizing people who disagree with them. Little wonder that a third of college students believe it is acceptable to use violence to stop a speaker. Since I was accosted and threatened at Yale law school in 2022 at a law school, for God's sake, I've had to travel with security virtually everywhere I go. Videos about me online that refer to the SPLC's hate designation are adorned with such comments as where is Luigi when you need him?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. We have a Supreme Court ruling that has just come down. We'll have to mention here they got right to it. They did.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Final note, but we won't be cowed when our defense in. I'm sorry. When our cases in defense of women's sports are argued at the Supreme Court in January, we expect to be back with the biggest rally yet. This time with the security apparatus needing to defend our speakers, we welcome the peaceful counter protesters who will come. We would defend their first Amendment rights if necessary, knowing full well that they would never return the favor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the Supreme Court has already ruled on a stupid case. I think they wanted to get that one out of the way on the first day back.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, you got to warm up with the stupid stuff first. Get the muscles loose first.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So here's the Supreme Court ruling that came in like an hour after they go to work on the first day back.

[Joe Getty]

Free speech, the National Guard rubbing out drug boats. Who knows what could it be? Jack, tell us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Second Amendment. Abortion. Gotta be abortion. Wait a moment. Supreme Court rejects an appeal from Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell. Okay, whatever. They, but they, they, they, they thought. Look, we gotta get the Epstein thing out of the freaking way so we don't have to talk about it anymore.

[Joe Getty]

Tell her to go back in her hole and shut up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course she's like club fed. But anyway, yeah, I don't wanna hear any more about that out of the Supreme Court. They got better things to do.

[Joe Getty]

No kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

We gotta get some email on the way. And plenty of news too. They're meeting right now in Egypt on the whole Israel thing and how that's going to turn out. Ooh wee, that's a hot one. Hope you can stay here today.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Hope you had a good weekend. I don't know, it was like where you live. But the weather is spectacular where I live so got out a lot and riding bikes and grilling burgers last night on my little homeless person meth grill and really really nice time.

[Joe Getty]

I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, lovely, lovely time of year. The ottoman. I don't believe in silent letters. Here's your freedom loving quote of the day.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good stance to take.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. They're hiding there in plain view.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are you doing un.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, here's your freedom loving quote. Continuing our series about change. This one from Rachel Hollis, who I don't know. But moving doesn't change who you are. It only changes the view outside your window. I've. I like that because I've became aware at some point of what I think you've called geographics, Jack. Is that right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

The idea that I'm unhappy or I have problems, but if I lived in the city or had this job or had that sexy woman or a better car or whatever, then I'll be happy and comfortable in my soul. And I believe to my soul, speaking of souls, that so many confused adolescents think I'm really uncomfortable. I'm unhappy, I don't know who I am. I know I will start to identify as a different sex. Then I will be happy and comfortable in my own skin.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's the ultimate geographic. Having your wang cut off.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. For instance. Yeah. Or your healthy breasts. Absolutely tragic. Mailbag. Drop us a Note [e-mail] first of all, this important, important piece of business from fan of the show. Good morning guys. Jack, just curious. Were you at a winery in Lodi, California yesterday having lunch?

[Jack Armstrong]

I was not.

[Joe Getty]

If so, then the rumors are true. You are intimidating and unapproachable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just saying somebody was. But it wasn't me.

[Joe Getty]

It was somebody else with arresting murder face. Not Jack. Let's see, as long as we're talking about you and it's not a kicking Franz.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good. I like when you get up email and it's all negative about me.

[Joe Getty]

We deserve our pleasures too. Jack, Michael, Katie, everybody. Gentlemen, on Friday's show, Jack received the buzzer for failing to officially start the show. Well, I believe that during the government shutdown there is no FCC penalty for this offense. All right, so you don't need to start it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I keep.

[Joe Getty]

Our national nightmare comes to an end soon.

[Jack Armstrong]

I keep forgetting there's a shutdown unless somebody brings it up. That's how devastating it is to me.

[Joe Getty]

That's Andrew in beautiful Jacksonville, Florida. Thank you Andrew. Nice to hear from you.

[Jack Armstrong]

The Jaguars play the Chiefs tonight on Monday night Football, is that right?

[Joe Getty]

Excellent. Let's see. Sam nonomous with a note. He said, I recently came across your incredible show. Well, thanks Sam.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I'm wondering, incredible.

[Joe Getty]

Does he mean as in not credible or how could something this bad dot dot dot or. Anyway, he says I'm wondering if he'll do a segment, perhaps a One More Thing podcast, getting us newbies up to speed on some of the hilarious clips you frequently play. Like, what is their origin, you know, what was the context and that sort of thing. You know, we could do that for One More Thing podcast.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we do have a lot of, like, running jokes, running clips, and we've been doing this for like, 28 years. Joe and I are each in our 80s, and we've been doing this for a very long time.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So, yeah, why don't we do that? I'll put this aside, Sam, and we'll do that today on the One More Thing podcast. Let's see. Dear Big Freedom and Old Simple Jack, writes Ryan from Houston. Right now it seems like everything needs a strong rebuke about everything you don't like. I think it's important, though, to sometimes remember the best thing you can do is to ignore. Don't like Kimmel back on the air. Ignore it. Don't like Substandard Rabbit performing for 20 minutes at the Big Game. Ignore it. Sometimes it's important to fight back, but a lot of times ignoring something makes it go away faster.

[Jack Armstrong]

Substandard Rabbit. He was the host of Saturday Night Live. I didn't realize he was that sort of person. Bad bunny.

[Joe Getty]

And you said. You said the show was completely unfunny.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not his fault. The writing was horrible.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, I have no idea. I no doubt rather that that below average. Oh, I can't remember the. The formal name for rabbits. Anyway, Substandard Rabbit. I have no doubt he's a gifted entertainer. I mean, he's world famous, but. Yeah, you're right, though, Ryan, a lot of things. Well, that's why movie studios provoke fake outrage over movies to get more publicity. And if you just yawned and moved on, they wouldn't get anything out of it. So, yeah, sometimes it's better to just ignore stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you see that article y in the Wall Street Journal about how devastated the entertainment industry is in Los Angeles?

[Joe Getty]

I did, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

And I know a lot of you might react to that. Who cares? Movie stars there at the Oscars? Well, no, it's all about the middle class. It's all about the carpenters and set decorators and sound guys and then key grips and the rest of it, just terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the number of, like, big budget films and big TV shows and stuff like that, it's just gone off a cliff. Nobody's making them anymore wild. We have lots to talk about, a.

[Joe Getty]

Lot more on the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you miss a segment get the podcast.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. This is an I heart podcast.