Captain Smug

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Captain Smug
Date: September 22, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Armstrong & Getty reflect on the aftermath of the massive memorial for Charlie Kirk, exploring the intersection of faith, politics, and media coverage surrounding his death. The hosts dive into shifts in America’s political landscape, the influence of Turning Point USA, speculation about major medical news on autism, and international reactions at the UN regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The show's trademark mix of irreverence and insight frames discussions on how movements are born, co-opted, and covered—punctuated with personal anecdotes and real-world skepticism about "historic moments."

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charlie Kirk’s Memorial: Impact and Meaning

• Massive Attendance & Media Response

  • The hosts marvel at both the size of the memorial ("over 80,000 people in there, turned away 100,000+") and the respectful tone from mainstream media.
    • "What were there 80,000 people in there? ... One of the biggest gatherings for a private death in US history." — Jack Armstrong [07:02]
  • Both reflect on whether such events genuinely shift history or if they’re fleeting moments in today’s distracted culture.
    • "Can you have a thing like that memorial service ... that can be an inflection point in history?" — Jack Armstrong [05:03]
    • "The answer is definitely not. ... We are at the point in our nation's history where a man named Brendan leads a national agency. That's what struck you." — Joe Getty [04:28]

• Turning Point USA as a Movement

  • The huge spike in Turning Point USA chapters and questions of principle vs. exploitation.
    • "The number of new applications for chapters dwarfed the original number. ... Is this the turning point?" — Joe Getty [06:13]
    • Both hosts worry about opportunists: "Will the vultures of exploitation ... ruin it?" — Joe Getty [09:20]

• Religious Sincerity and Political Dynamics

  • Recognition that for many, Kirk’s vision was rooted in faith, not just politics.
    • "It was to argue for forgiveness and Christian principles. The Bible in short." — Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty [07:19-07:54]
  • The memorial’s dual nature as both a religious revival and political rally.

2. Elon Musk’s Involvement & Social Media Reactions

• Musk attended and reportedly offered strong language about Kirk’s death.

  • "Elon ... tweeted out ... 'They murdered our emissary of peace in cold blood. Message received.'" — Jack Armstrong [11:08]

• Cynicism About Blame & Media Narratives

  • The hosts stress not blaming ideologies wholesale for individual violence—a rebuke to blanket accusations.
    • "I don't want to be held responsible for some conservative lunatic ... saying neo-Marxism is trying to take down Western civilization for somebody pulling a trigger." — Joe Getty [11:46]
    • "I didn’t choke George Floyd to death, but my local Target got robbed." — Jack Armstrong [12:08]

3. Existence (or Not) of the FCC

• Frequent jabs about the "outdated" FCC and government overreach.
  • "We should start the show officially for now, to make the FCC happy, which shouldn’t even exist." — Jack Armstrong [12:09]
  • "Boy, this could be our last show folks. Jack’s really crossed the line." — Joe Getty [12:28]

4. Potential Major Discovery in Autism

• Trump’s teaser that "we found an answer to autism," possibly linking it to Tylenol (acetaminophen) use in pregnancy.
  • "I think we found an answer to autism. ... They're going to announce today ... Tylenol during pregnancy is the link." — Jack Armstrong [13:10-13:25]
  • Skepticism (and brand protection): "Say acetaminophen ... and just say there’s a possible link." — Joe Getty [14:04]
  • The hosts muse on whether this would change medical advice overnight, expressing hope for answers, but urging caution and a look at the data.

5. International Affairs and the UN: The Palestinian State Debate

• Global Moves at the UN

  • Britain, Australia, Canada, and others now recognize the Palestinian state, leaving the US almost isolated.
    • "Every country but the United States now seems to be onboard with a two state solution." — Jack Armstrong [15:07]
  • Hosts call symbolic recognitions "meaningless rhetoric."
    • "I have sainted my dog. St. Baxter is now officially recognized by me as a saint. Anybody got any questions?" — Joe Getty [28:32]
    • "Tell me really anything about this fantasy. It’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever witnessed in geopolitics." — Joe Getty [28:43]

• Host Skepticism About Two-State Solution

  • Both continually point out that neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians want a two-state solution anymore.
    • "The World sees hope for Two State Solution. Israelis and Palestinians See none." — Joe Getty [31:29]
    • "Are they going to mention polling shows neither side is interested?" — Jack Armstrong [32:41]
  • Offer a bet: "I’ll give you 100 to 1 ... there will not be a two state solution in the next 10 years." — Joe Getty [35:04]

6. Media Coverage, Rumors, and Social Media Absurdities

• Noting conspiracy theories involving the Kirk shooting (QAnon, Israel, FBI, CIA), the hosts debunk social media-driven narratives.

  • "Cash Patel is in league with the Jews and killed Charlie Kirk." — Joe Getty [20:00]
  • "I was in ... talking with a correspondent yesterday." — Jack Armstrong [20:13]

• Blue Sky/Twitter "nice space" filled with spiteful posts about Erica Kirk.

  • "A search on Erica Kirk ... led to 100% at minimum, dismissive and regularly just awful posts." — Jack Armstrong reading listener email [45:30]

• Satire and late-night/media mockery, e.g. "Democrats hold candlelight vigils for Jimmy Kimmel." — Katie Green (News) [22:31]

7. Personal Anecdotes & Lighter Moments

• Jack’s camping trip with his son and thoughts on discomfort vs. comfort.
  • "Anytime I butt up against lack of opulence and comfort, it’s so much more satisfying than what human beings chase." — Jack Armstrong [38:07]
• Banter on being bald, potential baldness cure, and audience emails.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the scope and sincerity of the memorial:

• "I, too, was struck by mainstream media coverage ... respectful coverage of the event by a group of people that are mostly atheist, agnostic..." — Jack Armstrong [06:50]
• "These people are sincere. They actually believe what they say they believe. And there are a hell of a lot of them." — Joe Getty [07:54]

On movement co-optation:

• "Will the vultures of exploitation ... ruin it? ... We saw this firsthand ... in various Tea Party chapters ... The exploitative vultures moved in quickly." — Joe Getty [09:20]

On the two state solution:

• "It's meaningless rhetoric. It truly is." — Joe Getty [30:23]
• "The two parties involved don't like the idea." — Jack Armstrong [31:23]

On comfort versus struggle:

• "All chase ultimate comfort and ease and it doesn’t satisfy us in the way that difficulty ... does." — Jack Armstrong [38:07]
• "We’re made to love [overcoming obstacles]." — Joe Getty [39:03]

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Key Timestamps

• 03:47 — Opening banter & General Managers of the Day: Charlie Kirk and Brendan Carr (FCC)
• 05:03 — Media coverage and lasting impact of Kirk’s memorial
• 06:13 — Turning Point USA chapters surge & movement's future
• 07:19–07:54 — Faith vs. politics at the memorial
• 09:20–10:24 — Dangers of grifters exploiting movements
• 11:08 — Elon Musk’s "emissary of peace" tweet, responding to Kirk’s death
• 13:10–14:16 — Autism possible breakthrough; Tylenol during pregnancy discussed
• 15:07–16:48 — International recognition of Palestinian state, global optics at the UN
• 19:32–22:56 — Katie’s Lead Stories: From Kirk shooting conspiracies to Mootilda the cow
• 28:32–35:04 — UN, the two-state solution debate, and the “fantasy” of diplomatic symbolism
• 38:07–39:06 — Jack’s camping story and reflections on satisfaction
• 45:30 — Blue Sky "nice Twitter" filled with vitriol toward Erica Kirk
• 47:13–47:56 — Email on the possibility of a cure for baldness, lighter banter

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Episode Tone & Style

The tone remains classically Armstrong & Getty: irreverent, skeptical, and conversational, mixing serious political critique with wit and playful ribbing. They move seamlessly between biting skepticism about political gestures, genuinely thoughtful analysis about faith and movements, and banter about everyday life.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a snapshot of America’s culture wars, faith, and how the sausage of political movements gets made in the modern era. Armstrong & Getty offer cynicism and hope in equal measure, asking pointed questions about history, collective delusions, and the meaning behind grand gestures. Listeners are also treated to humor, inside jokes, and the day’s essential headlines—all wrapped in their distinctive dynamic.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and G. Well.

[Joe Getty]

It'S fall, so I had to put.

[Jack Armstrong]

My white buck shoes in the closet.

[Joe Getty]

That's buck, senor, live from Studio C.

[Jack Armstrong]

A dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And today, to kick off a brand new weekend fall, we're under the tutelage of our general manager, Charlie Kirk.

[Joe Getty]

In honor of the amazing, moving, weird, long memorial service yesterday. Honorary, honorary general manager, the heir apparent, if you will, Brendan Carr, chairman of the fcc.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which shouldn't exist. I've become convinced by some of my conservative friends who are making arguments over the weekend that why do we have an fcc? Which is a very good question if you look into it. There's no need really whatsoever at this point.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

At this point.

[Joe Getty]

You know what I find most shocking about this entire controversy? We are at the point in our nation's history where a man named Brendan leads a national agency.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what struck you.

[Joe Getty]

I warned you that these days would come Brendan's, Brandon's and others.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. You had warned us for years and none of us believed it could happen. So that memorial service yesterday, I guess I'm a cynic in that I don't feel like in the modern world anything can change anything. We're just on a trajectory like a glacier that can't be stopped.

[Joe Getty]

But like a nihilist, man, I am.

[Jack Armstrong]

A little bit, and I don't like it. But it's just the way everything comes and goes so quickly and we, we get distracted so easily and all that. And then, you know, the way media works in the modern world, and we've talked that to death. But can you have a thing like that memorial service, which was just stunning in its, in its attendance and power and attention and everything like that, that can, that can be a inflection point in history that you could point to years from now and say, man, everything changed on that day.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe. The answer is definitely not definitely no. And the reason I say that, a couple of things. Number One, I was struck by the mainstream media's very respectful reporting of the whole thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

I agree.

[Joe Getty]

Realizing, oh, my God. And I want to talk about this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Later, but literally, oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. We. The. The small minority who convinced everybody we were in the majority. Now the actual majority is starting to realize they're the actual majority. Perhaps we should not verbally abuse them. And secondly, and this is a tweet put out. I don't have it in front of me, I don't think by one of the folks at Turning Point who. And I wish I had the numbers handy, but he pointed out the number of Turning Point USA chapters on schools, universities, campuses across the country and the number of new applications for chapters, which dwarfed the original number. And his tweet was, this is the turning Point. Is he right? I don't know, but I thought there are definitely signs.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is really something. I, too, was struck by mainstream media coverage, respectful coverage of the event by a group of people that are mostly atheist, agnostic, for one thing. What were there 80,000 people in there and they feel like they turned away 100,000 plus one of the biggest gatherings for a private death in US History.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. The entire administration on hand.

[Jack Armstrong]

I. I don't know. I don't know where this goes. I feel like we all. Well, if you're. If you're. If you're quite religious, you probably aren't in this group. But I think we. We all missed the. For a lot of people in that crowd, it's all about the Jesus or 90%. For a lot of the media coverage since he was killed, it's all about the politics and his role in the Republican Party in maga. But for a lot of people, he was going campus to campus not to argue. For Republicans, it was to argue for forgiveness and Christian principles.

[Joe Getty]

The Bible, in short. Yes, sir. Right. I think I caught. You know, I'm probably projecting, but in taking in some of the media coverage of it, the feel I took away, among other things, was, oh, my gosh, these people are sincere. They actually believe what they say they believe. And there are a hell of a lot of them. You know, to your point about Charlie's religious beliefs and a lot of the people who supported him, it's actually a deeply held, principled belief. I will also say that the memorial service, which was five hours.

[Jack Armstrong]

Five hours.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy. It was a lot of different things. It was a memorial service. It was a political rally. It was some brilliant speeches. It was some weird speeches. It was some troubling speeches. It was kind of conservative America in all its glory and or flaws.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we'll play some of the clips, particularly from his wife who gave quite the speech yesterday. Coming up a little bit later.

[Joe Getty]

Is a dynamo of some sort. Boy, I'd say what the future holds for her and the organization, I don't know, but sure worth watching.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Elon got. Was there and got involved and talked about money and so who knows where the whole Turning Point organization politically and spreading the gospel are going to go with Elon behind it.

[Joe Getty]

And I am not a cynical man, but I am an experienced man. That's a euphemism for old. Here's another question for you. Can the purity of principle of Turning Point USA survive all of the attention and the money and the awareness that it's powerful, or will the vultures of exploitation, which is not a bad band name, will the Voes managed to ruin it? And we saw this firsthand, as you know, local activists in various Tea Party chapters around California, especially at the time. And then watching the movement spread, the exploit of vultures moved in quickly.

[Jack Armstrong]

The people who realize they can make a dollar off of it and don't care about its success. Yeah, they have a strong voice and.

[Joe Getty]

Then wave the flag and collect the donations and then use it to travel around the world in luxury and never actually try to accomplish anything. Oh, my God, did they pervert the whole mov.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And Erica Kirk is obviously sincerely wanting to spread the word of Jesus and bring people to Christianity. There'll be a lot of people around her that don't give a crap about that, who just want to get Republicans elected so she'll have, you know, grifters, that crowd to fight off. But I gotta believe as smart as Charlie Kirk was, they had those conversations. I'm sure he was. Had those people after him, around him all the time. Oh, yeah, one of the things. Oh, with Elon there. So he tweeted out. I don't know when he actually tweeted this out. I think it was yesterday. They murdered our emissary of peace and cold blood. Message received. Okay, that's a heck of a thing.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, go on. Elon Musk. Yeah, I read a pretty good piece. Maybe I'll try to find it. Entitled they did not kill Charlie Kirk. It was a troubled idiot young man. Not to say that there isn't all sorts of hateful rhetoric and a heated environment that leads to this sort of thing, because I think there is. But I don't, you know, the. I will. I will paraphrase the point Made and personalize it. I don't want to be held responsible for some conservative lunatic who decides to, you know, kidnap Gretchen Whitmer or shoot somebody or what have you. I completely disapprove of that sort of thing. Don't blame me. Saying neo Marxism is trying to take down Western civilization for somebody pulling a trigger.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I didn't choke George Floyd to death, but my local target got robbed. Yeah, right, so that's the way those things work. Um, we should start the show officially for now, to make the FCC happy, which shouldn't even exist. And there's no reason for it. There's barely a reason for it 20 years ago. There's zero reason for it now.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, this could be our last show, folks. Jack has really crossed the line. I'd hate for something bad to happen to that little podcast of yours, huh? The Mafia, fcc, Please. I disapprove.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe, quoting Ted Cruz, more or less from last week.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Let's begin then, officially, according to FCC rules and regulations. Here we go at.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mark, I think we found an answer to autism. How about that? Autism tomorrow. Slipped that little announcement into a giant celebration yesterday.

[Joe Getty]

We think we've found an answer to autism. Yeah, yeah. Does that mean they think they know what causes it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, sure. They're going to announce today from news that is leaking out that they think it's Tylenol during pregnancy is the link. And lots of women take Tylenol when pregnant as it's been declared okay for you with headaches, cramps, whatever situation you got going on. They think that they have proved. Proven a link there.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And I know the head of. I can't remember which conglomerate owns the Tylenol brand, but we can look it up, certainly. But their CEO went on bended knee to the White House recently.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could you not say that?

[Joe Getty]

To soften.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could you, like, use a drug name and not particularly the brand name or something?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Say acetaminophen. Nobody knows what that is anyway. And just say there's a possible link.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lost it.

[Joe Getty]

The word possible.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's all I'm asking. Please. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I wonder how.

[Jack Armstrong]

How would we not know that? I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

And now, eight months, nine months into the Trump administration, now we do know that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who would be pregnant, though, and use Tylenol ever again when there are other options at the.

[Joe Getty]

So you're you're concerned about the brand. I'm concerned about the children.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I'm both, so, you know, because you'd think, you know, I don't think it's been proven, but there's a one in a thousand chance. Let's, let's use something else.

[Joe Getty]

So certainly gonna wait and see and take a look at the evidence and read the analysis of it, because RFK has got some great policies in mind. He's also half a crank half the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it would be great news if it were true, if they can prove it's true. Because figuring it out, man, that's, that's what we all want to do. All right, we got Katie's headline. Do we have Katie's headlines on the way? Heck yeah, we have Katie's headlines on the way. I hadn't seen Katie in the hallway, so, you know, she's got a lot going on. Speaking of pregnancies and whatnot, there she is, smiling right there. She just walked in the door. We got Katie's headlines on the way. Lots of news to get to. Some of the highlights from the big memorial service yesterday. Lots of things that happened over the weekend. The UN is meeting this week, and every country but the United States now seems to be on board with a two state solution. And they're all proudly leading the charge, whatever the hell that means.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I can name a couple of parties that have no interest in it. The Israelis and the Palestinians. You crackpots. What are you talking about?

[Jack Armstrong]

There's Joe's. Take a lot on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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Is changing and so is the world.

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But what's happening in America isn't just a cause of global upheaval. It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.

[Asma Khalid]

I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm.

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Tristan Redman in London, and this is the Global Story.

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[Jack Armstrong]

More excerpts keep coming out from Kamala Harris's book. Is the book ever gonna come out or is it just gonna be excerpts until it's all been read? But she continues with her hilarious excuse making so we've got more of that from 107 days coming up later.

[Joe Getty]

Plus our fundraiser continues. We're raising money to ban the tush push. Give generously. Stay tuned for more on that. But first, let's figure out who's reporting what it's lead story With Katie Green. Katie.

[News Reporter]

Alrighty. Starting with ABC News, Cash Patel said the FBI is investigating, quote, possibility of accomplices in Charlie Kirk shooting.

[Jack Armstrong]

By the way, I became aware yesterday from the. I don't know what you would call this crowd. The Maga.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or the QAnon. Right. Or whatever. But Cash Patel is in on it now with Israel and the killing of Charlie Kirk.

[Joe Getty]

Cash Patel is in league with the Jews and killed Charlie Kirk.

[Jack Armstrong]

FBI, CIA, and it was Israel that killed Kirk.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's surprising.

[Jack Armstrong]

According to the QAnon.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was in. In. Okay. Talking with a correspondent yesterday.

[Joe Getty]

Huh?

[News Reporter]

NBC News. Trump publicly pushes Attorney General Pam Bondi to prosecute his political foes.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll play those clips. She said some things last week and over the weekend that you can't believe an attorney general is saying about hate speech.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. And we will join others in calling fouls on our own side. It's too much. It's. It's not good. It's not smart. Let's be better than that.

[News Reporter]

From the Washington Times, more Russian incursions into European airspace sparks fears of war.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I hope that comes up a lot in the UN meetings this week as he. Putin keeps trying out different countries.

[Joe Getty]

And if it were to come up in the UN meetings, Jack, what effect would that have?

[Jack Armstrong]

A good point.

[News Reporter]

You guys touched on this from the New York Times. Britain, Australia, Canada and Portugal all recognize a Palestinian state.

[Joe Getty]

Again, the Palestinians say, what are you talking about? The Israelis say, we have no interest in that. So what are you doing? Virtue signaling jackasses.

[News Reporter]

From the BBC, Trump says Murdoch likely to be involved in us tick tock deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

What? I hadn't heard that. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Rupert.

[News Reporter]

Yes. And his son.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[News Reporter]

From the New York Post, runaway cow dubbed Mootilda gains cult following after crowdfunded rescue from an Arizona slaughterhouse.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, there's a lot there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, you're gonna give us that story, we'll have to go deep on that. Moo Tilda, Moo Tilde. Which is really the key to the whole story.

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Okay, good, because that's what my plan is.

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Is there anybody who's not gonna carry a little extra weight clear to their death? I mean, come on, who are you kidding? Well.

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[News Reporter]

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[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Is he coming back or not, is the question. You you're the only person that brought up on last week the idea of him coming back. I don't think he's coming back at all.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he might be on YouTube or something like that, but he ain't gonna be on ABC with his show.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I think he is. I think he actually, I think he should be. I at least he should not be off for the reasons he's currently off.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just like him so much. It's Captain Smug. Anyway, there's so much to discuss today. As always, just, you know, everything everywhere all at once is what's going on in the world and we'll get to it. If you miss a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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More than 200 world leaders begin arriving in New York for the UN General Assembly. An overheated climate of political violence capped by the recent killing of Charlie Kirk has police and the Secret Service feverishly rethinking and expanding security from the air, the street and the water. Thousands of officers and federal agents are keeping watch. There are no specific threats to the UN General assembly or to any of the dignitaries attending. But we are reminded none of the attacks in the country over the last 14 months was predicted in advance.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's a decent point right there. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to get off on that, but yeah, I won't get off on that. It's a distraction. But I have heard from many people who, who live in New York and then pundits who write about it that that is a week if you can plan your vacation around it. You want to get out of town when the UN assembly is there because the security is so high you just can't go anywhere or do anything.

[Joe Getty]

The New York Times simply called it gridlock week.

[Jack Armstrong]

Coming up in hour two, we'll get into some of the highlights from the big Charlie Kirk Memorial yesterday. And then what it might mean for the country is a religious awakening or the politics of it and all that different sort of stuff for the un the fact that seven more countries are announcing this week in front of thunderous applause. I'm sure that they now recognize or hope to recognize a Palestinian state, including Great Britain, Australia and Canada, France. As you know, he said it on Face a Nation yesterday. Macron did had already done it. Some of our biggest friends are going to stand up in front of a thunder of applause at the UN and talk about a Palestinian state. They had stuck with us all these years, but finally have turned the corner.

[Joe Getty]

And in a related story, I have sainted my dog. St Baxter is now officially recognized by me as a saint. Anybody got any questions?

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

It's about as meaningful. What do you even mean you've recognized the Palestinian state? Tell me about its borders, its governance. Tell me about the treaties it is ready to sign. Tell me really anything about this fantasy. It's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever witnessed in geopolitics.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, why is it happening? I mean, is there, is it just as simple as like, you know, you're Prime Minister Starmer in England and you stand up and say, I believe there should be a Palestinian state. And then all the Muslims you've let into the country that hate you will shut up. Is that all there is to it?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's a big part of it. You will at least buy some patience from your Muslim minorities. You will satiate the lust of your pro Palestinian left. And conservatives, you know, a lot like me, know precisely what you're doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

But you've neutralized, you know, a lot of the, you know, the, the trouble you would get from the left because.

[Jack Armstrong]

The only thing that's changed over the last many decades of standing with us, it's always been the United States and a handful of friends against the tide.

[Joe Getty]

Of all the rest of the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

Claiming there needed to be a two state solution. But the only thing that's changed that caused our best friends to leave us is the growing Muslim population in their countries. It's the only thing I can think of.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they, they might say, well, Israel's gone too far. Okay, retaliation from October 7th. And they should be looking for that two state solution. But Keir Starmer, who is a gutless, worthless weasel, ask any Brit. Wow, they don't even like him in his own party. It just. The Labor Party will be out of power soon. Nigel Farage, get all the photo ops with the Trump you can there, Kir, because your days are numbered. Tick tock. Anyway, in terms of political power, certainly I'm not urging any sort of violence, but what was I saying? Blah blah, blah, zabba dabba do. Anyway, it's, it's meaningless rhetoric. It truly is, but it's not.

[Jack Armstrong]

It doesn't help the United States if the United States ends up. Are we completely alone now or do we have like one country somewhere that's on our side? It doesn't help to be the United States by itself against the whole world saying, nah, I don't think a two state solution is a good idea.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's. Never mind whether it's a good idea or not. It's not possible. These people are advocating for something that cannot happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, as you keep pointing out, that's just so stupid. The two parties involved don't like the idea.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Indeed. Here's a headline for you. The World sees hope for Two State Solution. Israelis and Palestinians See none. Where's that Wall Street Journal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Expected recognition of the Palestinian State by France, the uk, Canada and Countries that don't matter as part of an effort to breathe life into a dying solution. Two states living side by side on the ground. The two state solution is more remote than ever, I would say. And not to beat you to death with this sort of thing, but. And Jack, feel free to jump in, but it's way more, way less likely than when Arafat got everything he asked for and said, yeah, no, at the very, very end, it's, it's, it's worse than when Clinton thought he had a deal, nevermind Carter, back in the day. And at the very last second the Palestinians said, nah, we changed our mind, we'd rather wipe out Israel. Polls which in the 90s and early 2000s consistently indicated majority support on both sides for two states have in recent years shown that only a minority of ISRA Israelis and Palestinians support the idea or think it's feasible in practice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's interesting. I didn't know that politicians who have been. Is anybody going to mention that all day long on any of the newscasts where they talk about England and Canada now recognize a two state solution? Are they going to mention polling shows neither side is interested?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well.

[Joe Getty]

And for what it's worth, I was staunchly in favor of the agreements worked out by both Carter and then Clinton. Back in the day it seemed like a really good solution and those two excellent solutions for the Palestinians were rejected.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's like everybody. So it's not that I don't want.

[Joe Getty]

It to happen, it's that I know it can't. So as I ask over and over Again, what are we doing here?

[Jack Armstrong]

Everybody at work or everybody in your family or whatever talking about Brandon and Jenny should get married. Yeah, I think I'm in favor of Brandon and Jenny getting married. But Brandon doesn't like Jenny. And Jenny is like, Brandon. They're like, what are you people doing?

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

But everybody's going around talking about it. When do you think we should have the wedding? I think we should have a June. I think it's too late. It should be earlier. Wait a second. We're the participants. Neither one of us want to get married.

[Joe Getty]

More than 140 countries already recognize Palestine as a state, including much of the developing world. And indeed I would ask them those same questions. What do you mean by that exactly? I love this. I love it, meaning I hate it. Let me see if I can find it. Where is it? The statement by one of our closest English speaking allies explaining how important it is to gain that two state solution. Oh, and a peace deal that would return all the hostages living and dead and restore peace to Gaza. And I, I mean, we've already explained what they're doing, obviously, but my only reaction is, yeah, we know you want that. Everybody wants that. We've been trying to get that. We can't have that. So stop pretending again and then I will shut up. This is the most egregious, astounding and almost hilarious acts of diplomatic silliness I have ever witnessed.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's you.

[Joe Getty]

Somebody like to bet me about a two state solution? I will give you 100 to 1 on any sum of money you care to wager. You put up 100, I will put up 10,000. Michael, check my math.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm not good at it. What's your timeline?

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's. You name it. I mean, let's, let's be serious. The clock's ticking. You're not going to live forever.

[Jack Armstrong]

But certainly 10 years would be a fine timeline. No, there will not be a two state solution in the. In the next 10 years.

[Joe Getty]

No, north of 10 after that. North of 10 after that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see the way it's talked about all week. Or all day long. And all week long, I suppose, as it'll be.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'll be one of the dominating topics of the UN all week long. And I don't know how many people will mention that poll you just quoted. Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians want it.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Went camping this weekend, my son and I, my boy scout and I, my 13 year old and I far Northern California which every time I go I'm just like this is spectacular up here. It's absolutely spectacular. No wonder people come from all over the world. But we got chased out of our camp by a bear and we had to leave early and to tell that story a little bit later. But my son, the boy scout was so helpful. It was like camping with an adult. He did most of the cooking, he did the setting up and tearing down and everything. Like it was so, it was so, so amazing. Really enjoyed it.

[Joe Getty]

Does he have a schedule of fees we might inquire about? Camp assistant, Professional camp assistant, Camp Sierra if you will.

[Jack Armstrong]

We did a seven mile hike on Saturday with some pretty good elevation that absolutely kicked my hind ended. My legs are so sore.

[Joe Getty]

Michael, I thought Camp Sierra was pretty, pretty. Did you like. That was clever. Camp Shears, we have confirmation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Yeah. Actually if you could hire somebody like that, it's got a bit of a glamping vibe to it to hire somebody to do all the, well, the actual camping work.

[Joe Getty]

Well, exactly. I'm lazy and I have money so that's exactly what I want.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh that's the other thing I noticed from this and I'm reminded of this anytime I butt up against lack of opulence and comfort it's so much more satisfying than what human beings chase. We all chase ultimate comfort and ease and it doesn't satisfy us in the way that difficulty and, and, and, and, and basic. I don't know accoutrements do it. It's, it's an interesting thing about, I think that every time I'm camping, this, this has been a lot of work all day long to get together everything, how we're gonna sleep, build a fire, everything you gotta do to cook some food, then the cleanup and all that sort of stuff. But I'm oddly way more satisfied then when I'm in a, you know, a nice clean bedroom and everything's prepared for.

[Joe Getty]

Me and blah, blah, blah. Overcoming obstacles.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's.

[Joe Getty]

We're made to love that. Yeah, it's great. Great point.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Oh, anyway, off to talk about the bear angle on it.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Campsiers will do jot down my musings.

[Joe Getty]

I'm having. I have musings.

[Jack Armstrong]

Having some really deep musings. All right, we've got mailbag on the way and a bunch of other stuff.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

Coming up next hour, some key moments from the Charlie Kirk memorial service, some of which were incredibly eloquent and terrific, some of which were just odd.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's five hours long. Was it mostly a political event for maga, or was it mostly a, like a revival, more or less. And on an inflection point in the next great awakening in this country, you.

[Joe Getty]

Know, I didn't see the whole thing, but it was a pretty good percentage of each of those things and a couple of others as well. It was, it was a pastiche, if you will.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's your freedom.

[Joe Getty]

Love me quote.

[Jack Armstrong]

A pretty fancy word you're throwing around.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm feeling fancy today. I was looking for quotes about posterity, you know, just being remembered and that sort of thing. But the first one I came across was from John Quincy Adams, who was talking to the future, the generations of the future. He said, posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. We need to, we need to repeat that more. Mailbag. As for instance, even our side is playing fast and loose with the freedom of speech, not having it. Coming up with Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and others on that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, Coming up. I was nearly eaten by a bear. Stay tuned.

[Joe Getty]

Good Lord, drop us a note. Mailbagarmstrongygetti.com Ryan from Houston writes There I was Tuesday evening, maybe seemingly inspired by the Holy Spirit, I crafted what might have been the perfect email. I sent it to my liberal lesbian mom and she sent me a message saying she felt like she was being hugged by Ronald Reagan. I sent it to the deplorable Nick Fuentes. He sent back a message that said he's feeling the pain of all he has wronged. Both agreed the only way for this feeling to spread to humanity is if Joe Getty read the email on Mailbag Wednesday. Then, to my horror, Joe felt like golfing instead of bringing the nation together. Then my lesbian mom and Nick Fuentes told me, well, if only Jack could read it over the text line on Friday, it might work. Only to find out Jack, still in pants, went to the ocean, probably to meet up with his Ukrainian sweetheart.

[Jack Armstrong]

I got a lot of blowback from my Ocean pick. It's 58 degrees. I don't think it's out of bounds to her pants with 58 degrees.

[Joe Getty]

That's right. Not at all. Anyway, my mom called me back and said I'm a MAGA fascist and Nick Fuentes called me a beta cuck. Thanks Armstrong and Kenny. That's funny. Ryan in Houston moving along, Zach writes Gents, quick look at Blue sky this morning left me flabbergasted. A search on Erica Kirk in the memorial led to 100% at minimum, dismissive and regularly just awful posts mocking her and Charlie.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, this is the nice Twitter Blue Sky. It's supposed to be the grown up Twitter.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, comments like pointing out she has three K's in her name bizarrely, as well as bashing her on the strange claim that she forgave the shooter because he was maga.

[Jack Armstrong]

What?

[Joe Getty]

I know Blue sky is a minority, but I just find it stunning the cognitive dissonance that exists in these circles.

[Jack Armstrong]

That whole shooter was MAGA thing, which is the idiotic thing Jimmy Kimmel said that allegedly got him fired. But it's a moronic view. 70% of Democrats, at least in a poll last weekend, believe the shooter was maga.

[Joe Getty]

That is amazing and brings me to telling you what I want to talk about next hour. Among other things. And that is, and we've discussed the concept of a preference distortion than a preference cascade where people wake up, there's a moment where they realize, oh, I'm not in the minority, I'm in a huge majority. And I believe this is one of those times. And that Is proof of it. More on that to come. Let's see. Aaron writes, chilling, Chilling. The left field censored, apparently, the entirety of media aside. I'm sorry, does the left not control education? K through college, big tech, NGOs, medical associations, the arts, museums, corporate and financial sectors of DEI and hr? And that word chilling they serve sure seem to. They sure like to share notes, don't they? They made it synonymous with the Kimmel incident. Censorship, please. They don't have the lived experience capital that'll make that claim. That's actually kind of clever use of their own terminology against them. P.S. they censored our favorite person forever. I say Charlie Kirk was my favorite person, but he was a hell of.

[Jack Armstrong]

An interesting person and not a perfectly fair use of the word term they, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. Guys, there might be a cure for baldness. Right, Paolo? Complete change topic headline, did UCLA just cure baldness? And he wants to know, Jack, if you would go for hair, if it was effective and safe in the rest of it. He says, I think looking cool without hair and the need to groom it would be a wonderful thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't know if I look cool, but not having hair is pretty awesome a lot of times. I mean, just. I haven't one. I haven't spent a cent on hair care products in 30 years. And I never think about it. I don't have to think about a hat or the wind or rain or anything.

[Joe Getty]

Bad hair day. Good hair day. Doesn't exist.

[Jack Armstrong]

That'd be something if they announce a cure for autism and the cure for baldness on the same day.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Which might be today.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got to talk about that next hour.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, there's a big announcement that's supposed to come out today right from the CDC or something. All right, well, we'll keep an eye on that and we'll bring it to you as soon as it happens. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump teased that they might know what causes autism, which of course would be an enormous deal if that's true.

[Joe Getty]

Got a great email from a young man, too, who, in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder in the memorial service, wants some advice. He's been so beaten up living in blue America that he just. He's lost the energy to disagree with people anymore. It feels beaten down. And yes, we have some good advice for you, sir. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Little earthquake in San Francisco today. Maybe you felt it. If you're listening on our San Francisco station, but we got a lot more to come. As we teased, I hope you can be here.

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[Tristan Redman]

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