Chaos & Hatred Unfurled!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "Chaos & Hatred Unfurled!"

Episode Information:

• Title: Chaos & Hatred Unfurled!
• Hosts: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty
• Release Date: July 17, 2025
• Description: The official, On-Demand podcast of The Armstrong & Getty Show! Accept no substitutes!

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Introduction

In the "Chaos & Hatred Unfurled!" episode of the Armstrong & Getty On Demand podcast, hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into a spectrum of pressing topics ranging from political controversies and media funding to advancements in space exploration and the ethical implications of genetic engineering. The conversation is candid, infused with humor, and peppered with sharp critiques of current societal trends.

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NPR Funding Cuts and Political Climate

Key Discussion Points:

• The hosts begin by lamenting the reported funding cuts to NPR, drawing parallels with historical attempts by Republican administrations to defund public broadcasting.
• They critique NPR's content, labeling it as "crap news" and accusing it of pushing progressive agendas, including educational content like Sesame Street, which they dismiss as "woke."

Notable Quotes:

• Unnamed Contributor [02:00]: "If it's not that much, you shouldn't get a dollar from taxpayers with that absolutely progressive horse ass that you get to have commercial free in every city in America."
• Joe Getty [02:22]: "You've been proselytizing for the dismantling of Western civilization for now, 30 years... you've become such a perversion of what you were."

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The Epstein Scandal and Political Ties

Key Discussion Points:

• A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, exploring its ramifications on political figures, including former President Trump.
• The hosts express skepticism about widespread government cover-ups, despite polling indicating that two-thirds of voters believe there's a cover-up.

Notable Quotes:

• Unnamed Contributor [07:05]: "With one of the numbers that stands out is that two thirds of all voters believe there is some sort of government cover up going on with the Epstein thing."
• Joe Getty [08:15]: "The idea that there's nothing there. No, the other, the kingpin killed himself in a prison cell."

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Trump’s Political Maneuvers and National Guard Deployment

Key Discussion Points:

• The conversation shifts to President Trump's actions, specifically his handling of the National Guard in Los Angeles and his controversial statements towards his base.
• They analyze the unpredictability of Trump's policies and their broader impact on national stability.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Getty [03:18]: "The chaos and hate that would unfurl from the now, now, now got."

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Space Exploration: American Astronauts to the Moon

Key Discussion Points:

• Excitement is expressed over NASA's plans to send American astronauts to the moon in 2026, highlighting advancements in space technology.
• The hosts discuss the potential for high-definition media coverage of the lunar missions.

Notable Quotes:

• Unnamed Contributor [03:45]: "Putting people on the moon. Next year, we're gonna have freaking American astronauts walking on the moon."
• Joe Getty [04:04]: "Do you know, that would be amazing."

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Genetic Engineering and the Future of Human Enhancement

Key Discussion Points:

• A significant segment is devoted to the ethical and societal implications of genetic engineering, particularly the trend of "breeding super babies" through embryo genetic selection.
• The hosts debate the potential for creating genetic "haves" and "have-nots," raising concerns about increased societal divisions and unforeseen consequences of tampering with human genetics.

Notable Quotes:

• Unnamed Contributor [21:08]: "Inside the Silicon Valley Push to breed super babies is a hell of a headline."
• Joe Getty [24:16]: "If you are investigated, but the investigators decide, no, we can't or shouldn't bring charges here."

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Public Perception and Media Influence

Key Discussion Points:

• The hosts discuss the role of media in shaping public perception, particularly concerning high-profile scandals and governmental investigations.
• They express frustration over what they perceive as biased or incomplete reporting by mainstream outlets.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Getty [15:06]: "The Free Press has like multiple writers on what the Epstein fight is really about."
• Unnamed Contributor [26:27]: "Brave new world of probabilistic data driven medical decision making."

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Mailbag Segment: Listener Comments and Reflections

Key Discussion Points:

• The hosts engage with listener emails, addressing various topics from ancient construction techniques to personal reflections on life's challenges.
• They provide humorous and sometimes critical feedback, maintaining the show's characteristic blend of humor and candidness.

Notable Quotes:

• Vincent from Sacramento [38:01]: "Breathe in the amazing. Hold on through the awful. Relax and inhale during the ordinary. That's just living heartbreaking soul healing amazing, awful, ordinary life."
• Joe Getty [38:17]: "You, unfortunately have the chief dark CL gene."

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Armstrong and Getty navigate a landscape of contemporary issues with sharp wit and unabashed opinions. From critiquing media institutions and dissecting political scandals to pondering the future of human genetics and space exploration, the hosts offer a perspective that challenges conventional narratives and encourages listeners to question the status quo.

Final Notable Quote:

• Joe Getty [38:40]: "The beauty is in the mix."

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Note: This summary excludes advertisement segments, intros, outros, and non-content sections to focus solely on the substantive discussions presented in the episode.

Transcript

[Joe Getty]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

I'm strong and Getty. And now here I'm strong and Getty.

[Unnamed Contributor]

For some reason, it was extra delicious to listen to NPR report how their funding got cut. Last night I really listened to them report on their own funding being cut. Drove to work live from studio C C, Senor, a dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And hey, y', all, little Friday, we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Joe Getty]

She. I don't know. You got a nominee?

[Unnamed Contributor]

Oh, wow. I don't know. I might go. NPR funding the general manager. I think this.

[Joe Getty]

Wait a minute. Sorry, sorry. Obviously Elmo there.

[Unnamed Contributor]

There you go.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. General manager. Is Elmo some sort of communist that the fascist Trump administration has got to take him out at his furry red knees?

[Unnamed Contributor]

I was about to say so. Republican presidents and Republican Congresses have claimed they were gonna pull funding from NPR and pbs, but never did it. And just like so many things, only Trump actually has the balls to do it. But part of the pushback has always been Elmo and education for little children. And the Republicans get scared off. Oh, what the hell ever. First of all, Sesame Street's so damn woke now, you can't make that argument. But. And the. The pushback has always been, we don't get that much funding. Well, then fine, deal without it. If it's not that much, you shouldn't get a dollar from taxpayers with that absolutely progressive horse ass that you get to have commercial free in every city in America, including towns that can't afford to have any other kind of media. You got NPR there giving them crap news and I'm paying for it.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Whenever we talk about cutting the funding, they respond by saying, but this is what we do. No, that's what you're supposed to do. You haven't done that for decades. You've been proselytizing for the dismantling of Western civilization for now, 30 years, not to mention insidious racialist policies. Now you've become a monster. You've become such a perversion of what you were. But it's interesting, too, the broader point about the number of things Trump has done, that the powers that be warned us the repercussions would be severe and unmistakable, unpredictable. And whether it's moving or just admitting the capital of Israel is Jerusalem, for instance, the chaos and hate that would unfurl from the now, now, now got.

[Unnamed Contributor]

A good example of that with yesterday, it was a, like a third tier story that the remaining National Guard troops are leaving Los Angeles today that Trump sent, Remember when he sent the National Guard troops and it was some sort of giant constitutional crisis and he was doing what dictators does and they're gonna shoot people in the streets and all. Nothing happened other than they secured federal buildings from the thugs and then they went home. It was perfectly fine.

[Joe Getty]

Tried to protect the ice officers, God bless him. Or in some of the riskiest duty in America right now.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah, speaking of npr, you know what I just heard on npr and I had somehow forgotten this or missed it or something like that. Putting people on the moon. Next year, 2026, we're gonna have freaking American astronauts walking on the moon.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Next year, who's carrying them? SpaceX, I think.

[Unnamed Contributor]

It's a, it's a NASA thing, I believe.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, really? Yeah. Huh. Well, I don't figure out who's providing the hardware later, but that's, that's exciting. And especially because now we'll have like 4k video of.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I know.

[Joe Getty]

Doing the moon thing.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, yeah, I would imagine we'll have only slightly delayed audio and perfect video of them standing on the moon. Look behind me here, here's a moon rock. Look, I'm picking up some moon dust. And you know, that would be amazing.

[Joe Getty]

Sure. Yeah.

[Unnamed Contributor]

How cool will that be? And, and letting the Chinese know that's our moon. Stay up on moon China.

[Joe Getty]

Did they put up a flag when they were up there? Well, they just landed a probe. Right.

[Unnamed Contributor]

They landed on the dark side, didn't they?

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Well, they can have it.

[Unnamed Contributor]

That doesn't surprise me. What are they doing over on the dark side of the moon? Who know? Probably making fentanyl to ship to America.

[Joe Getty]

To take our jobs. Oh, I kind of lost a thread there midway through. Anyway, damn commies. That's the point.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Oh man, there's another, one other story that I'm excited about before I drop an E bomb. I didn't want to drop an E bomb.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy. Oh boy. Did you see? Oh, speaking of SpaceX, did you see Elon Musk is waited into the. You know what story? The E bomb I did.

[Unnamed Contributor]

What did he say?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I'd have to find it. I found it. Let's see. Oh, he attached a screenshot of Trump's truth social statement earlier in the day in which he blasted his former followers who were stupid and weak and whatever else he said. This is in the running for worst post ever made. Seriously, Musk Said he said, am I allowed to say it? He said Epstein half a dozen times while telling everyone to stop talking about Epstein, just release the files as promised. And then Musk, a few minutes later responded to a separate post calling the Epstein case Trump's Achilles heel, rebuking the president for pledging to release the files on the campaign trail and now dismissing the significance of the case. Quote, this is a very big deal. What the hell kind of system are we living in if thousands of kids were abused? The government has videos of the abusers and yet none of the abusers are even facing charges. None of that is accurate, according to everybody.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah, I don't think that stuff happened, which I realize is very angering for a lot of you. So there's new polling on what y' all believe about this. With one of the numbers that stands out is that two thirds of all voters believe there is some sort of government cover up going on with the Epstein thing. Two thirds. I'd be a no on that. This here's one where I would be an outlier with, with all y' all differentiating between cover up and not releasing everything. I think there's stuff that's not being released for all kinds of legitimate legal reasons, but covering up something that we should know. No, I don't believe that's happening.

[Joe Getty]

You read my mind. I was just about to say, I think there are a lot of people interpreting the normal withholding of various stuff while Ghislaine Maxwell does her appeals process. And just as we've talked about multiple times on the show, if you are investigated, but the investigators decide, no, we can't or shouldn't bring charges here. They don't release, you know, all the dirty laundry they uncovered of everybody they looked at if they're not going to file charges.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, I think it was Elon or somebody said yesterday, so why is she in prison if there's nothing there? That doesn't make sense. Well, yeah, it does. He was. He was using underage girls.

[Joe Getty]

It's not that there's nothing there at all. That's not the case.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, right, but he was using underage girls for sex and that's a crime. And she was involved. Because that happened. Doesn't mean, I mean, I don't know how you get the leap that then that proves there's a nationwide child sex pedo ring run by the Clintons and the Obamas and Hollywood. I mean, those are very different things.

[Joe Getty]

And Epstein saw that his gal pal was just utterly nailed to the wall. They prosecuted the crap out of her one on all the major charges and he knew what his fate was going to be. So ye. The idea that there's nothing there. No, the other, the kingpin killed himself in a prison cell. And I know you're yelling, you're a fool, you're idiot Hillary did it or whatever, but no, that's, that's, that's stupid. Elon, for a super genius, that's really a dumb tweet.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I have heard people that I really like and respect pundits say figuring out why Epstein was so rich is pretty difficult. Like, why so rich? He had the biggest house in all of Manhattan, New York, and four or five others.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Houses all around the world and an island and his private plane and all these different sorts of things. And, and it's not clear why he was so freaking rich.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah, fair enough.

[Unnamed Contributor]

But manners, all kinds of things that could be other than running a child sex national ring that Michelle Obama, who's a man, is behind.

[Joe Getty]

All right, so here's, here's a. Almost let that go by me. So here's a question for you, and it comes on the heels of our phrasing Trump's undeniable lack of why this could be my most convoluted sentence ever, folks. You might need to jot it down and look back on it to try to comprehend it. After just praising Trump's undeniable lack of regard for conventional wisdom when it's stupid. Sometimes Trump has a lack of regard for conventional wisdom when it's really good, solid wisdom. Right. Like for instance, I have not found anybody, anybody who thinks it was a good idea to call out all of his followers and say, you're stupid, you know, hoax loving, weak minded pieces of crap and I don't want your support anymore. What was gained by that?

[Unnamed Contributor]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, all I can say is he's stressed out. He's got a lot on his plate. He's thinking this is blank and stupid and he shot off his mouth when he shouldn't have.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I'll tell you what Mark Halpern's interpretation was of that, and he's a very fair reporter. He said that makes me think there's something Trump related in the Epstein stuff. He doesn't want out.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, no.

[Unnamed Contributor]

He said that's the only explanation I can come up with.

[Joe Getty]

It could absolutely be, and I'm not looking for innocent explanations, but it could absolutely be. What I was just talking about that, you know, in a list of associations and social engagements and who was at what Party Trump's name might appear multiple times before he had that falling out quite a number of years ago with Epstein. But that's the point. There are a hell of a lot of people because there was a serious period where he was a big swinging. Oh, poor metaphor. He was a big, big part of the New York financial and social scene before people knew he was a perv. And then there was that period after the charges were filed in Florida that people should have damn well known he was a perv and some people still associated with him then. But the list of names that would have come up in the course of routine investigations has got to be long and, and you know, if, if, for instance, I don't know if, if one of our names came up and we were in some sort of hot radio battle back then like it used to happen in the days a DJ war maybe, you know, our opponents would hammer us with that. Yeah. And try to imply that because we once went to a cocktail party raising money for the March of Dimes and Jeffrey Epstein had thrown it trying to imply that we were there on Perv island molesting 13.

[Unnamed Contributor]

We got more on the story later. Much later, or maybe never. We got to start the show himself.

[Joe Getty]

The story will not die.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Let's get the show started. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Thursday, July 17, the year 2025 or Armstrong and getting. We approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

Well, with NPR going away, it's more important than ever that we start officially according to FCC rules and regs at.

[Unnamed Guest]

Mark Shohei Ohtani couldn't make it tonight. Man, I hope his interpreter didn't bet that he was going to be here. Shohei is a once in a gener talent. No one's been able to do what he does at so many positions. Pitcher, hitter and bookie. A bookie is what Bill Belichick reads to his girlfriend before bedtime. Sugar Ray Leonard's here. Oh yeah, Sugar Ray, you're the man. But what in 10 years Jake Paul is going to try to knock you out. So take it easy.

[Unnamed Contributor]

He also had a joke. He said, oh man, there was an Epstein joke here on the teleprompter but it got. It deleted itself.

[Joe Getty]

That's pretty funny.

[Unnamed Contributor]

All right, we got headlines coming up next, a bunch of other stuff. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Unnamed Contributor]

I would like to point out that while I am quite sick of the whole Epstein thing, and I mean truly getting tired of it, the whole the, the Republicans built this mess by claiming they had something that turned out not to be true. Um, conveniently forgetting years of promises about the Russia hoax on every show that existed on mainstream and left wing media and there was nothing to report and you just let it drop.

[Joe Getty]

Now that's why we have to be better, more careful as conservatives. You're right though. You're absolutely right. I'm looking forward to reading a multi part. I thought maybe we could run with it real quick, but the Free Press has like multiple writers on what the Epstein fight is really about.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Oh, okay. I want to hear that. What it's really about. Maybe I'm missing something.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I hope it won't hurt anybody's feelings, Jack, because that's one thing we, we never do around here, is to hurt people's feelings. All right, so Katie is off today taking a look at some news headlines. Evidently Trump is not going to fire Jerome Powell because everybody is against it.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Including his cabinet, including the stock market, it would seem. So there's some belief that he was testing the waters yesterday. So it leaked out. He told Republicans he wanted to fire Powell. Stock market drops quite a bit. Then he announces like a half an hour later, no, no, no, I'm not going to fire him. Stock market goes back up. And so that might have been a trial balloon, I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Meanwhile, somebody in Trump world is trying to float this narrative that the remodeling process there at the Federal Reserve headquarters wasteful or run poorly. I mean, it's the classic example of, you know, gambling in Casablanca. It's everybody does the same things and then you just call them out for it and then Call it corruption when you need to get rid of them. Anyway, you got a ceasefire in Syria? Syrian and Druze officials and the Israelis. All right. That came and went probably. I've been reading about the Druze. Interesting religion. I would say I'd look into joining it, but then we'd get 50 emails saying that my soul would be damned and blah blah blah and don't bother folks, my soul is. Well, it's a foregone conclusion. I'm going to hell. But thank you for your concern.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I assumed it's people who worship anyone named Drew, is that not correct?

[Joe Getty]

Incorrect, Jack. As a matter of fact, it's an interesting deist religion. It's like Abrahamic religion, but isn't really into choosing which branch of that. Judaism, Christianity, Islam. They're like, hey, can we just all get along and have a nice desert party here? Peace loving folks. Not really. Let's see. Oh, the third party deportations have continued and the reason this caught my eye was the Trump administration deported five migrants to. Why is it migrants, not immigrants to the small African nation of. You know what, I'm tempted to play a game here. I was going to come up with three names and you tell me which of them is not made up, but he deported them to Eswatini.

[Unnamed Contributor]

See that? Yeah, absolutely. That's either true or you're jerking me around.

[Joe Getty]

Which sounds like something my 25 year old daughter might order when she's out for cocktails. You know, I'll try the Eswatini.

[Unnamed Contributor]

You know, when you're not drinking them, everybody's drinking them.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God. It's got just a touch of mint and a little lavender oil.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Pink salt.

[Joe Getty]

Of course it's pink. Of course it's pink.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Lead some more of the news that we've got to get to coming up.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's not Epstein, Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Unnamed Contributor]

The FDA has approved certain GLP1s for kids 12 and up and there are studies showing they're safe and effective. Though the authors of this new report say more study is needed of newer GLP1 drugs. Just like adults, there can be side effects for kids like gastrointestinal symptoms, headaches and fatigue, and rarely pancreatitis. The American Academy of Pediatrics guidance says doctors can these weight loss drugs to treat kids who are 12 and up if they're just treating obesity. If there are other more immediate life threatening factors like diabetes, doctors could consider prescribing these kinds of drugs for kids as young as eight.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Approving weight loss drugs for kids which could be perfectly fine or really really not. And there's no flipping way they know because they haven't been around and tried on kids. They're just impossible to know. You'd need so many years to know this. Well, I don't know what I would do. I'd need to have a really obese kid with dangerous medical threat because of that before I'd be willing to do this personally. Katie had this headline for us yesterday and this kind of fits in with it. Maybe if you're worried about having an overweight kid, you go ahead and change the genetic makeup of the embryo so that the kid is not predisposed to be obese is headline in the New York Times yesterday Inside the Silicon Valley. Push to breed super babies. That's not a scary headline at all.

[Joe Getty]

Oh geez. Yeah, let's put Silicon Valley in charge of it, including the ethics. Go ahead, teach us the wise ones.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Inside the Silicon Valley Push to breed super babies is a hell of a headline. Investors say genetic prediction services for embryos used by Elon Musk and others are a trust fund for future children. Scientists are skeptical. We've talked about this a lot. It's just going well, it's going exactly where everybody thought it was going to go. And of course it's happening with the super rich first. And then the question here in the New York Times is whether it becomes available to everybody over time. The idea of genetic pre selection around a whole bunch of different things and not just trying to eliminate some of the worst ailments that could happen to kids, but getting into height, weight, hair color, athletic Ability, intelligence, all kinds of different things.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. All sorts of talents, too. This is heading straight in an H.G. wells direction of two distinct classes of human beings, the improved and unimproved.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Right. Especially if it becomes a you can do it if you can afford it, insurance doesn't cover it situation, then you're exactly. Exactly what you're talking about.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I just would like the improved class to know that we're easily angered and we like guns. So.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, just. Just like, based on what you know so far, would you be willing to do this? Like people are already doing whatever. Genetic modifications, for instance, to try to avoid the genetic mutation that causes cystic fibrosis or down syndrome or a number of other things. Although even then you don't really know if possibly there's some evolutionary reason for down syndrome to exist that we don't know about. But I can certainly see why I would be willing to, you know, take that gene out. So my kids are much less likely to have down syndrome.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And there are so many maladies that are just terrible and the child suffers and the family suffers that. Yeah, I would think, let it exist over there. I want to save my child from it if I can. Yeah, that. That would be practically irresistible temptation, I think. I mean, for instance, you know, clearly nobody knows what causes autism. What's the genetic component of it. But, you know, if Judy and I were to have a fourth kid, it'd be somebody else's or an immaculate conception, as I have been snipped. But putting that aside, you can get a reversal.

[Unnamed Contributor]

They can tie your tubes back together.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't like my chances. It's been too long, I think. Anyway, consult your local urologist.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Get a plumber.

[Joe Getty]

You know, if we could prevent autism, for instance, I just assumed.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah, I'm sure not enough is known about autism at this point to do that. But someday, probably will be. They're already working on genetic propensity for ailments such as the super rich are to. Toward bipolar disorder, various kinds of cancer, Alzheimer's, Alzheimer's disease, obesity, schizophrenia, number of things like that.

[Joe Getty]

I wonder if someday science will discover the awesomeness gene, if there's a single gene that they realize is responsible for awesomeness.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Just general awesomeness.

[Joe Getty]

Right. The more we study it, the more fascinating it becomes. Apparently, this gene dictates to a hundred other genes how to be awesome.

[Unnamed Contributor]

God dang it. Boy, if you get into that sort of stuff, it's so difficult because, like, I'm fairly happy with the way things have turned out with me for like career wise or ability to make a living wise. But I've got all kinds of flaws that are included in my mix of things that allow me to make my way through life, you know, so which ones those would it be a benefit to get rid of or, or somehow help me than in ways. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Nobody knows these things, right?

[Joe Getty]

What I would put it like this. Nobody knows the tails of the heads side of a lot of genes.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

If you know what I mean. And we're, you know, this smacks so much of the utter hubris and stupidity of so much science in the 20th century, where we quite literally learned just enough to be dangerous.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, that's.

[Joe Getty]

And then strutted around as a people, as a scientific community pronouncing that we'd figured it all out, when in fact we had. Just scratch the surface.

[Unnamed Contributor]

That's exactly what I'm thinking when I hear that news report about obesity drugs for kids. Many scientists say this is fine. There's no way, you know, that or where other scientists are really worried about it. Yeah, you probably should be right now at $2,500 per embryo screening on top of the average $20,000 for a single cycle of IVF that lots of people do. This social network in Silicon Valley and other tech labs are, are, are going further than that for the super connected or wealthy. You buy smart rings, consume boutique services like annual full body MRIs. For some reason a lot of this could just be completely bunk and just, you know, milking rich people.

[Joe Getty]

Which is fine.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah, true. Brave new world of probabilistic data driven medical decision making and all kinds of different things to try to give your child a genetic edge and a leg up when they come out of the womb.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Cybermetrics comes to making babies, right? Wow. I kind of like the old fashioned way.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah. There's. To my mind, there's zero chance this is bad. Ultimately. Like zero.

[Joe Getty]

What is bad?

[Unnamed Contributor]

Starting to genetically select all these different things and work around evolution.

[Joe Getty]

You said there's zero chance it's bad.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Isn't bad. I left one word out. I guess this is a bad idea. This is going to have negative results ultimately. I think that's guaranteed. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Into the world of nightmarish.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You know what, I went with HG Wells earlier. Let's sprinkle in a little bit of Mary Shelley and Frankenstein. So we could be heading towards some sort of two class full of genetic mistake science gone wild folks running around. Hey, they tell you what well, this.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Company, Orchid, that has its meetings in Silicon Valley with the super rich, including some of Elon Musk's baby mamas, at least One of Musk's 14 children was an Orchid client. It, according to people close to the company, speaking on condition of anonymity to the New York Times and that he preselected for all of these different things that I already that are mentioned in a way that very few people have done anywhere in the world. So how this is going to turn out, we do not know. Right, but you are right about the whole. I mean, this takes haves and have nots to a completely different level. If you've got rich people who can have taller, better looking, well, that already happens just from an evolutionary standpoint. But taller, better looking, faster, smarter, musically talented, all kinds of different things. Kids in a way that other people can't.

[Joe Getty]

And knowing what you know about humanity, again, what are the chances that does not turn into virulent racism? All right. On the part of the superior people who feel that way because they are. What's the word? Superior.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well, they. Genetically monsters. Yeah, it'd be difficult to argue against it. Yeah. I genetically chose, at the cost of a lot of money and lots of scientists to have a superior child. So yes, we are superior. I mean, that would be their argument.

[Joe Getty]

Well, us dumb people, again, easily angered and we like guns. So watch your back there, Richie.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I mean, aren't we. I mean, we already self select a certain amount this way? I mean, sure. See, online dating from. There are online dating outfits that are like for wealthy people or whatever. So there's certain amount of selection going on there where women are choosing rich men or rich men are choosing extra hot women or whatever's going on always has. Yeah, but if it gets to a level where we're like one generation from. Oh, no, no, I only date Orchid babies. Somebody else that came out of this Orchid Corporation like I did, and we.

[Joe Getty]

Have certification because you can't have astroglodytes claiming orchid status, right?

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah, justifiably. Yeah. You have a certificate of authenticity.

[Joe Getty]

So just as an aside, I went, I played golf in a place not long ago with some friends that there's, I mean, like crazy money and it's like within a bigger community. So it's got like its own little store that people go to because to leave it and go to a grocery store probably be, I don't know, 20, 25 minutes, something like that. And so. But my buddy stopped into the store and he said every woman in there was A model like a TV quality magazine cover model. And it was just the gals of the hood. And then, you know, we ended up having dinner and a drink after the round at the restaurant complex there. And sure enough, it was exactly. It was selective breeding. It was like, you know, a State Fair bound 4H club or something. Or professional cattle breeders. The only, the only meat on the hoof in that place, Jack, was USDA Prime Select.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Wow. So I guess your point being we're already doing this to a great extent.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. We'll just turbocharge it and then the race wars. But that's the next chapter folks. Stay tuned.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah. So I guess from that standpoint it wouldn't be much of a change. The problem is if any of this science yields things that we just don't understand. Your point about we don't know what the flip side is of some. What we might like. I wish I was less impatient, but I don't know what the flip side of impatience is that, you know, allows me to do various things. I have no idea. Nobody knows. But there's all kinds of personality traits or traits that we don't know what comes with the whole stew of them.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. And for instance, you know, why do certain genetic conditions, including down syndrome include physical characteristics? Right. Because that's the way genes work. They like and I am not a geneticist, but they carry information for a bunch of different things we do and are as human beings. So you alter gene A to achieve purpose A. God knows what you're doing down the line. I don't know. Brave new world. Buckle up everybody.

[Unnamed Contributor]

And aren't a lot of us particularly music geniuses but like math geniuses? Whatever.

[Joe Getty]

They're freaks.

[Unnamed Contributor]

They're one off weirdos. It's just that it happens to be something that we find to be a positive attribute.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Right. And a lot of those people are miserable. It's worth pointing out, but awesome.

[Unnamed Contributor]

That's. That is worth pointing out. Man. That's not the last we've heard of this story. Not a surprise that Elon's got at least one of his 14 kids. I'll bet a lot of his kids are part of that. Why wouldn't he do that if it's available? And the way he thinks about the world. Well, there will be our test case. The Musk children. We've got Mailbag on the way. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Unnamed Contributor]

I could easily stay away from the E word all day long today, but there's some new polling around Epstein that's pretty darned interesting. If you're wondering if your thinking is in line with everybody else's. We'll get to that in an hour too, man. Trump went hard against his base supporters yesterday for who knows what reason, but more on that later.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, it's funny, I have resisted the temptation to include any of the emails on that topic because it's impossible to start talking about it and talk about it briefly. Anyway, here's your freedom loving quote of the day from the great Thomas so well, this is another one of his all time greatest hits. If you have always believed that someone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards that would have gotten you labeled as a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago, and a racist today. He wrote those words I think a decade ago when the whole woke affirmative action thing was really getting going again. Treat everybody the same, everybody's equal under the law in the eyes of God. What would have made you a radical 60 years ago? Call it 80 years ago, a liberal 50 years ago and a racist today.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Well that's part of the whole Ibram x Kendi thing was if you say I'm I don't. I don't care about people's skin color, I just treat them as individuals. Is proof you're a racist.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, good, good. Okay super mailbag, drop us a Note [e-mail] gonna move swiftly here. There's a lot of good stuff, including comments on the Scotty Scheffler what's the point of it all press conference answer that we played yesterday. Let's see this is from first initial B. Hey guys, I would remind you I was talking about how the left the humble level that you use in carpentry and construction is a bubble suspended in liquid and that's still like the state of the art said reminded you that the Egyptians built the pyramids with a water level and a plumb bob. They initially graded the foundations by flooding the areas to find the high and low spots. Can't improve on it. Where's the water go?

[Unnamed Contributor]

Those slaves were crafty.

[Joe Getty]

I believe it was their whip wielding overlords Jakku who commanded them. But anyway, on the topic of of Diabetes Barbie. All right, Stephen writes and this is overdue. Handicapped Barbies aren't new. My sister regularly played with amputee Barbie after I ripped an armor leg off when we were kids.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah, I had a few Johnny Wests or GI Joes that were limbless.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well it happens.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Missing at least one limb.

[Joe Getty]

Let's see Reflections on Scotty Scheffler Barry from Thailand writes, the great drama of the human condition is that the greatest moments in our life are so fleeting. Well, the awful things we may experience stay with us for life. Or as Woody Allen once famously said, life is divided, divided between the horrible and the miserable. So be grateful you're only miserable. Wow. And then another. I think we had one more light hearted one. Where is it? Never mind. Here's the the more serious one. I actually found this helpful and I hope you do too. And we'll post it in armstrongandgetti.com let's see. Vincent from Sacramento sent this along commented on Scotty Scheffler's interview. Jack's comment about his father's statement about the simple things in life taking out the garbage, that's what life is. Made him think of a quote he heard several years ago from L.R. nost with a K. I don't know Mr. Or Mrs. Nost's work life is amazing and then it's awful and then it's amazing again. And in between the amazing and the awful, it's ordinary and mundane and routine. Breathe in the amazing. Hold on through the awful. Relax and inhale during the ordinary. That's just living heartbreaking soul healing amazing, awful, ordinary life. And it's breathtakingly beautiful.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I've never gotten to that last part. I wish I could but I. I wish I was better at because like when something, when things are going really well or something really good has happening, I think, well this isn't going to last when something bad is happening. I think this is my permanent state now.

[Joe Getty]

You, unfortunately have the chief dark CL gene.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Getting back to our discussion of last hour or last segment. Yeah.

[Unnamed Contributor]

I. I've never been able to find the beauty in the. In the painful, awful parts that some of you can. And good for you that that's part of the whole. The part of the whole mix. Part of life.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, that's exactly the point. That's. The beauty is in the mix.

[Unnamed Contributor]

Yeah, I don't like the mix. I want all good all the time.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, good. Start a religion.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettys.

[Joe Getty]

This is an I Heart podcast.