Check With Me In 5,000 Years Unless AI Robots Have Eaten Us All

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand Episode Title: Check With Me In 5,000 Years Unless AI Robots Have Eaten Us All
Release Date: August 14, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Nancy Lieberman
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts

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1. Street Takeovers and Urban Crime in Los Angeles

The episode opens with a deep dive into the escalating issue of illegal street takeovers in Los Angeles. Host Nancy Lieberman sets the scene:

Nancy Lieberman [01:24]: "Yeah, that's Los Angeles. A lot of people in certain cities, I think Chicago, certainly LA... But Oakland, various places are like, yeah, I kind of see some of your stuff about D.C. it seems like it's worse here."

Key Points:

• Street Takeovers: Described as large-scale events where hundreds gather to perform dangerous driving maneuvers like donuts, often leading to chaotic and unsafe environments.
• Law Enforcement Challenges: Despite the rampage, police intervention is minimal due to the sheer scale and unpredictability of these gatherings.
• District Attorney Nathan Hockman's Response:
  • Michael Beasley [02:35]: "My entire office is absolutely laser focused on going after these illegal street takeovers."
  • Commitments: Pursuing severe penalties including up to 90 days in jail for drivers and $500 fines for spectators.

Notable Incident:

• Eliza Kwaka's Tragedy: In 2022, a street takeover led to the fatal accident of nursing student Eliza Kwaka, highlighting the deadly potential of these events.

  Jack Armstrong [04:09]: "It could open the door for me to take over even more."

Discussion Points:

• Constitutional Concerns: Nancy questions the fairness of fining spectators, suggesting potential legal challenges.

  Nancy Lieberman [03:17]: "I don't know how I feel about the spectator thing... I get a 500 ticket for that."

• Police Misclassification in DC: The hosts discuss a lawsuit revealing that DC police officers were misclassifying crimes to artificially lower crime statistics, undermining the narrative that supports federal intervention.

  Nancy Lieberman [11:09]: "When I hear crime stats, I turn to something else. I just assume I'm being lied to."

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2. Political Turmoil: Trump, Putin, and the Ukraine Conflict

A significant portion of the episode centers on international politics, particularly the impending summit between former President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin aimed at addressing the Ukraine conflict.

Trump's Negotiation Stance:

• Michael Beasley's Insights [19:50]:

  "If the first one goes, okay, we'll have a quick second one... I think the second meeting, if the second meeting takes place now, there may be no second meeting because if I feel that it's not appropriate to have it because I didn't get the answers that we have to have..."

Key Points:

• Ceasefire Efforts: Trump emphasizes his intention to secure a ceasefire, drawing parallels with Ronald Reagan's strategic withdrawal in Reykjavik.

  Jack Armstrong [29:35]: "Check with me in 5,000 years, unless AI robots have eaten us all."

• Putin's Strategies: Discussion on Putin's potential maneuvers to gain territorial advantages in Ukraine, indicating a prolonged and manipulative conflict.

  Jack Armstrong [23:36]: "They just killed four of our guys in spite of the ceasefire."

• Influence of Finland's President: Highlighting the unexpected diplomatic influence stemming from Trump's rapport with Finland's President Alexander Stubb, potentially altering the geopolitical landscape.

  Jack Armstrong [31:06]: "The president of Finland is now got Trump's ear when it comes to talking about Russia and Putin."

Negotiation Tactics:

• Understanding the Opposition: Emphasizing the necessity of comprehending Putin's cost-benefit analysis to effectively negotiate.

  Jack Armstrong [29:00]: "Understand the other side's cost benefit analysis, their priorities, what they're willing to pay, what their goals are."

Expert Opinions:

• Jim Kessler's Perspective [29:15]:

  "There's a very real chance President Trump will get up and leave if Putin refuses to concede anything."

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3. Societal and Cultural Observations

The hosts engage in lighter, yet insightful conversations on various societal topics.

Language and Etymology:

• "Smart Alec" Origin: Nancy provides an interesting historical anecdote about the term "smart alec," tracing it back to an 1800s con man named Alexander Hoag.

  Nancy Lieberman [15:08]: "He and his wife ran a scam... Eventually he got caught, and the police started using his name sarcastically..."

Health and Longevity:

• Swedish Study on Centenarians: A discussion on a study revealing that people who live to 100 suffer from fewer diseases and develop them more slowly.

  Nancy Lieberman [35:15]: "People who live to 100 suffer from fewer diseases... it's hard."

• Cancer and Genetics Debate: The conversation touches on the role of genetics versus lifestyle in disease prevalence, with a humorous take on misconceptions about genetic predispositions.

Pop Culture References:

• Charlie Sheen Documentary: Brief mention of an upcoming documentary focusing on the controversial actor, reflecting on celebrity culture.

  Nancy Lieberman [17:18]: "America needs a Charlie Sheen story right now."

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4. Light-Hearted Banter and Teasers

Towards the end, the hosts engage in playful banter, highlighting moments where the show "falls apart" due to running out of material. They tease upcoming segments, including:

• Rent-a-Crowd Business: Exposing how protests might be orchestrated with paid participants.
• Taylor Swift and the Kelsey Brothers: Discussing high-profile internet-breaking events.

Conclusion: The episode wraps up with a blend of serious political discourse and lighter cultural discussions, maintaining the dynamic chemistry between Jack Armstrong and Nancy Lieberman. They emphasize the importance of staying informed and tuned into upcoming episodes for more in-depth analysis and entertaining segments.

Final Quote:

Alex [30:38]: "Check with me in 5,000 years, unless AI robots have eaten us all. And that will still be true."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Nancy Lieberman [01:24]: "Yeah, that's Los Angeles. A lot of people in certain cities, I think Chicago, certainly LA..."
• Michael Beasley [02:35]: "My entire office is absolutely laser focused on going after these illegal street takeovers."
• Nancy Lieberman [03:17]: "I don't know how I feel about the spectator thing... I get a 500 ticket for that."
• Jack Armstrong [04:09]: "It's good lord, the dishonesty."
• Jim Kessler [29:15]: "There's a very real chance President Trump will get up and leave if Putin refuses to concede anything."
• Jack Armstrong [29:35]: "Check with me in 5,000 years, unless AI robots have eaten us all."

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Wrap-Up

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand provides listeners with a comprehensive exploration of pressing urban issues, international politics, and cultural phenomena, all delivered with the hosts' signature wit and insight. Whether discussing the chaos of street takeovers or the high-stakes negotiations between world leaders, the podcast ensures a balanced and engaging discourse for its audience.

Transcript

[Michael Beasley]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Nancy Lieberman]

And now he's Armstrong and Getty.

[Nathan Hockman]

It's 3am Saturday morning in downtown Los Angeles, a city plagued with street takeover like this one. Right in front of the home of the Los Angeles Lakers, hundreds of people block an intersection as drivers perform dangerous donuts while others throw fireworks into the intersection. Angry neighbors shoot paintballs at cars parked along the street belonging to the spectators.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah, that's Los Angeles. A lot of people in certain cities, I think Chicago, certainly la, not as much San Francisco now since they voted in a new mayor and got their act together. But Oakland, various places are like, yeah, I kind of see some of your stuff about D.C. it seems like it's worse here. Is there anything Trump can do about here? And he talked yesterday about going into other cities. There's no, he doesn't have the legal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Authority to do that.

[Nancy Lieberman]

But yeah, if you're gonna, if you're worried about big cities, they got problems with crime and in street drug addicts. I don't think D.C. ranks at the top.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's in the top five actually. But there are much bigger and more dangerous fish to fry as well. I agree completely. But I don't know if sending the feds in but anyway, back to the, the street takeovers in la. If you've never seen this, I mean it's like a, a massive multi, multi lane intersection with a crowd of hundreds of people around and the guys doing the, the smoking tires wild donuts barely avoiding hitting the crowd and the cops don't dare intercede. There's too many wildness. So mobs just take over the city streets for a certain amount of time. Roll on Michael.

[Nathan Hockman]

And they aren't the only ones fed up.

[Michael Beasley]

My entire office is absolutely laser focused on going after these illegal street takeovers.

[Nathan Hockman]

New Los Angeles County District Attorney Nathan Hockman says he will Pursue consequences for the drivers, including reckless driving charges in up to 90 days in jail, as well as the spectators threatening jail time in a $500 fine just for watching.

[Michael Beasley]

If you want to go ahead and be one of these drivers in illegal street takeovers, if you want to be spectators in illegal street takeovers, we are going to hold you accountable.

[Jim Kessler]

If you're a driver and you want.

[Michael Beasley]

To see that car crushed, literally crushed, as we impound it, go ahead and test us.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I don't know how I feel about the spectator thing. If one of these broke out where I am, I might want to stand there and watch the people spin around. I get a 500 ticket for that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I have a constitutional issue with that. There is probably a way around it, but the thinking this through, the drivers.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Obviously, I mean, you got a deadly weapon there, and I would think you get a reckless driving. You can't afford your insurance anymore. You're done driving.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right. One final clip 82, please, Michael, from the fabulous Bill Mulligian of Fox News.

[Nathan Hockman]

These street takeovers have turned deadly before. In 2022, nursing student Eliza Kwaka was killed on Christmas Day in South LA when a car doing donuts lost control and hit her. The driver was just sentenced last week to 13 years in prison.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, Nathan Hockman's a hero. He's trying to clean up L. A and undo the horrific damage done by the Marxist George Gascon. And 100% in support. Don't crush the cars, Seldom. And my only other quibble was the one Jack brought up. There's a bit of a constitutional issue with. All right, am I there from the beginning and I'm hooting and hollering and rooting them on, or did I just wander by and say, what the hell is going on here? Or what? I like watching.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah, I'd like to whip out my phone and document this and send it to my local, you know, congressman or whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

The other practical difficulty of this, which I find interesting is that the. The mobs have figured out in watching sports celebrations or, you know, a number of different incidents, George Floyd riots, what have you, that if we bring enough people, the number of personnel in the force it would take to quell what we're doing looks too bad for society to have a stomach enough to do it. That sentence was a bit of a train wreck. But you see what I'm saying. If we get big enough, they don't have the guts to get big enough to stop the lawlessness. So the only thing we need to do is bring Mass, we need to bring a lot of people.

[Nancy Lieberman]

That's called a breakdown of society, is what that's called of civilization.

[Jack Armstrong]

Up with Hamas rally where we're all wearing keffiyehs as Columbia University educated jackasses. We got too many of us. The cops won't stop us. So let's start smashing stuff politically.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I think it's working the other direction. I think people are seeing this on TV or wherever you catch it and, and thinking this is a breakdown of civilization. I'm voting for whatever party wants to end this. Speaking of which, like the whole Trump taken over D.C. thing, that I'm not that interested in. I'm interested in the politics of it. Fox just had a piece on mainstream Democrats not happy with messaging around this. And it's like I quoted Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC yesterday morning. She said, I think this is a political loser for Democrats to claim that D.C. is fine and Trump shouldn't do this. I don't think that's the way most people feel. They had to. I was listening to NPR and they had. They were quoting people on the street. And I'm sure they selected these people carefully. Some people on the street, I don't think it's right. It's like Hitler or whatever. And I thought, I gotta believe the vast majority of people in neighborhoods where they got lots of crime are perfectly happy with seeing some National Guardsmen down there making sure they can, making sure they can walk to their car without getting attacked or their car stolen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. Can you imagine? And it's, I, you know, having raised two daughters, I'm a lot better at this than I used to be. Can you imagine being a woman and the feeling of vulnerability as you have to walk toward a handful of young toughs and you just don't know what they're going to do? That's a terrible. That is animal fear in your heart. You got some National Guardsmen strolling alongside you. Zero fear. That's pretty blanket appealing.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I mean, if you're, if there's a National Guardsman there and your main concern is, I don't think it's constitutional what the President is doing as opposed to, oh, cool, I don't have to worry about getting raped while I walk to my car, then you are really an ideologue.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of which, guys, how hard would it be to grab yesterday's clip 58 for me.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Clip 58 yesterday. That was a good clip, man.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I tell you, should have played it three times. It's John Roberts, Fox News, talking to Jim Kessler, who's a political activist, dude, but part of Third Way.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Again, I think the point is true. I think they're. I think mainstream Democrats are smart in seeing the average person reacts to a crackdown on crime as a good thing, not as an overreach in general. There's just no doubt about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, they need to come to an agreement on that because you got guys like this in the mainstream media.

[Nancy Lieberman]

But do you feel safe here?

[Jim Kessler]

I feel safe in this city. I live in a neighborhood because I.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Look over by my shoulder every day.

[Jim Kessler]

Well, maybe you look over your shoulder, but I'll tell you something. Here are two things that could be done to make this city safer. $1.1 billion was stolen from DC in the last budget bill. Give us that money back. We are down 400 police officers from last from last year and 900 from our peak because. Stealing our money away. So let's get our. Nothing to do with defunding the police. No, no. It had nothing to do with defunding the police. It had to. Taking our money away, our taxpayer dollars here. If people are afraid to come to D.C. go to Disney World, get fat, eat French fries. I don't care. I've lived here 37 years. I'm not afraid. I live in the city. I'm not afraid of this thing. If you're afraid, go. Leave your fear someplace else.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

You will never win another election. Jim Kessler, you are a fool of. You're like the King Kong fools. Number one. There's no problem. I feel safe. And it's dangerous because they've defunded us and the police, but it's not defund the police because anyway, it's safe here. You don't feel safe. Go to Disneyland, eat French fries and get fat.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I just saw. I just saw ancient Chris Matthews on msnbc, and he is a mainstream Democrat saying these. These Democrats who are walking around claiming DC Is not scary or dangerous are just full of crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Final note. On August 5, which was the day Donald J. Threatened a federal law enforcement takeover in D.C. first, the city quietly settled a lawsuit from a former police sergeant who accused her superiors, plural, of deliberately misclassifying certain offenses to make crime stats look low, court records show. Internal emails, depositions, phone call transcripts from the suit corroborate the accusations, raising questions over police department data the mainstream media outlets have consistently cited to contend that Trump's takeover is unnecessary. The crime misclassification scheme laid out in the suit centers on two offenses, assault and theft. The suit Provides examples of knife attacks typically categorized as assault with a dangerous weapon, a felony offense included in violent crime stats. But those were classified as simple assault, a misdemeanor that they do not include in the stats. Emails and depositions introduced as exhibits in the case also show that police leaders explicitly instructed their subordinates, all of them, to classify certain theft cases as, quote, taking property without right, a lesser offense than shoplifting or theft. That does not appear in DC's crime stats at all. It's Good lord, the dishonesty.

[Nancy Lieberman]

And like I've been saying for days, I just. When I hear crime stats, I turn to something else. I just assume I'm being lied to by somebody about something. I wish we could figure that out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, some sort of uniform standards, but yeah. So how many times, I'm asking you good people, how many times did you hear, this is totally unnecessary. Crime's down 30% in DC. Utterly fictional.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah, it accompanied every single story. I heard about it all weekend long.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Nancy Lieberman]

What's a smart alec got into that conversation with my son yesterday? And Russia, Ukraine, and more importantly Trump, Putin and that whole summit. Got some new information on that. According to reporting from the Wall Street Journal. Bunch of stuff on the way. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Nancy Lieberman]

I forgot to tell you what I wanted. I'm sorry, Michael. I'm sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is a real complete breakdown in the show Mechanics.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Listen to this.

[Jim Kessler]

I've got a billion dollar document in.

[Jack Armstrong]

My hands because Mrs. Trump is seeking.

[Nancy Lieberman]

$1 billion in damages if we don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Take the video down and if Hunter here doesn't issue a formal apology to Mrs. Trump.

[Jim Kessler]

So now we're here maybe to give you the platform to apologize to the.

[Jack Armstrong]

First lady for your statements that you.

[Jim Kessler]

Made about her possible connection to Jeffrey Epstein.

[Jack Armstrong]

That that's not gonna happen.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Hunter Biden responding to the billion dollar lawsuit from Melania Trump. F that really, he said. So that story, you know, you're both.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lovely folks, but kind of peripheral to the actual problems the nation's dealing with right now. So can you settle this on your own?

[Nancy Lieberman]

I think perhaps the biggest story in the world is the Trump Putin summit tomorrow, because really big things could come out of that depending on the direction it goes. No doubt about it. And man, one thing about listening to. So I listen to this podcast from the Telegraph in London and they have the more European view of things than we're getting in the United States. And they talk regularly about if Putin moves on Eastern European countries, you know, the Baltic states or whatever, and how Europe will react. I mean, they hold that out as a serious possibility. Like Putin thinking NATO's not going to come to the defense of Latvia. They're just not. Which he might be right about. I don't know any who. More on that later. Perhaps if Joe Biden had said to Hunter Biden at some point, don't be a smart alec, Hunter Biden wouldn't ended up the disgrace that he is. I said this to my son many times over the years. I think they must have taken it out of context what it must have meant, because they never have said this in the past. But my oldest son said to me yesterday, what is a smart aleck anyway? It is not a term you hear very often. You gotta admit, in the modern world, I am 100.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good one.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I'm 105 years old and so I use old timey terms like I'm wearing a felt hat and it's 1928 by Cracky. But I asked Chad GPT and it's actually kind of an interesting story. This guy named Alexander Hoag was a con man in the 1800s. Alexander is in Alec. Uh, he and his wife ran a scam targeting men who were looking for prostitutes in the 1840s. His wife would lure the victim into a room and while they were distracted, Alex Hogue, Alec Hogue would rob them. Hogue bragged to the police about his cleverness, even making deals with corrupt officers to split the profits and keep the thing going.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Eventually he got caught and the police started using his name sarcastically to describe someone who thought he was too clever for his own good. Smart Alec entered the wider American slang by the late 1800s to mean a know it all or a wisecracker or somebody who thinks they're so dang smart. And there are a bunch of chat. GPT gave me links to a whole bunch of newspaper articles from the 1800s where they would use smart alec in quotes to refer to the sky. And then it just caught on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I think it's just interesting that things like that catch on and are used forever and we use them without knowing the background. I've been called a smart alec. I have called other a smart aleck my whole life without ever thinking once of what it is. And it did. And it still works.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right. And occasionally it. The meaning mutates.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

As well. But yeah, that's funny because I usually have. I'm usually curious about that sort of thing. It never occurred to me to look into that one. That's a great backstory.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got crime, you got sex, you got corruption. That's good.

[Nancy Lieberman]

And I wasn't particularly accusing my son of luring horny businessmen into his room to steal from them while they thought they were going to get sex for money.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would hope not. Need to keep a little tighter rein on the household if that's going on.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Oh, my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Craziness. Oh, speaking of sex and crime and that sort of. In prostitutes and the rest of it. I guess. There's a new Charlie Sheen documentary out. We got to play you a little chunk of that later.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Oh, we were talking before the show. America needs a Charlie Sheen story right now. We need a celebrity that we focus on every day for a couple of weeks or months. Doesn't actually mean anything. No greater significance. We're all kind of into it and talking about it as just a, I don't know, a bonding moment.

[Jack Armstrong]

Outspoken drug crazed hooker loving video post. Just, you know, just something like that. There were good times. There were better times. What'd you say, Charlie? Winning, anyone? Oh, yeah, winning. That's where that came from. You remember that? That's good catch.

[Nancy Lieberman]

He was. He was the first person I ever heard use troll. And I never. I didn't understand what he was talking about the time. Trolls. These damn trolls. And he would. It was, you know, we now know what I'm dealing with, man.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm dealing with fools and trolls.

[Nancy Lieberman]

But now we know what trolls means. But I didn't at the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, fools and trolls.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I remember whatever year that was predicting on a Friday that he would be dead by the time we came back to work on Monday and he is not. Yeah, he lived through it. High stakes meeting between Trump and Putin tomorrow. As has been pointed out, one bunch of people Putin has punked like four presidents in a row. Can we put an end to that role for Putin tomorrow? I sure hope so. We got a lot on that coming up. Hope you can stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Michael Beasley]

If the first one goes, okay, we'll have a quick second one. I would like to do it almost immediately and we'll have a quick second meeting between President Putin and President Zelensky and myself if they'd like to have me there. And that would be a meeting where maybe it could be absolutely work, but the first meeting will not work that out. Certain great things can be gained in the first. It's going to be a very important meeting, but it's setting the table for the second meeting. I think the second meeting, if the second meeting takes place now, there may be no second meeting because if I feel that it's not appropriate to have it because I didn't get the answers that we have to have, then we're not going to have a second meeting.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Man, the whole ball of wax on this thing is this. Is Trump actually done with believing Putin is a decent, reasonable person or not? The whole, that's the whole ball of wax.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would agree and, or I would put it more broadly. Is Trump able to see through whatever manipulation Putin brings to the table?

[Nancy Lieberman]

I've heard a bunch of people say recently, you know, and you know how some things catch on. Somebody says something and then everybody repeats it. And whether it's true. Like the taco thing, I mean.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. They're herd animals, the media.

[Nancy Lieberman]

But I've heard a bunch of people say, listen, lately that he, he, he tends to believe the last person that he talked to. So, you know, he'll talk to somebody and think, oh, you're absolutely right and they'll be going that way. And then he'll talk to another person with a different point of view and say, right, and that's, that's where he is then. And I, and if that is true, I hope he doesn't go from where he is now, talking to all these European leaders in Zelinsky to being in a room with Putin and starting to think, oh, you got a really good point. Ukraine was a, you know, part of Russia for a very long time. And so, you know, historically it seems like it probably ought to be part of Russia.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, I certainly hope not.

[Nancy Lieberman]

The Wall Street Journal reporting today, which is really important. Trump told his European PE yesterday he wouldn't negotiate territorial issues, saying that Ukraine must discuss that directly with Russia. That's according to German Chancellor Frederick Mertz, who initiated the meeting they had yesterday. So that was good news for people like me, people like Zelensky, who thought Trump might go in there and wheel and deal on land without asking anybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I just read a related piece about how Putin will say, well, I tell you what, we'll just take that 50 square miles over there. You guys can have that 50 square miles over there and that's a square deal. And, and, and that Trump, you know, might fall for that. They were worried, but they pointed out, like, for instance, Putin really wants Ukraine to cede all of the Donetsk oblots. Okay, easy for you to say. Uh, notably he wants parts of that region that Ukraine still controls and he's willing to swap them straight up for that land over there. For instance, less vital areas Russia now controls in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. Why? Well, because Ukraine created what essentially is a 31 mile fortress belt of heavily fortified cities, towns and defensive embattlements in Donetsk, which the Russians have been trying to break through since 2014. 14 years and years of effort. They cannot break that line. And Institute for the Study of War said they'd have to try for several more years to break through on the current trend. And so Putin's thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll just give up a bunch of non critical act for this critical land that opens the, the door for me to take over even more.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because the, the ceasefire is going to Be temporary. Ish. And Putin and his sword are geniuses at inventing pretexts to violate ceasefires. They fired on us first, et cetera. Look at our four soldiers that are dead. Oh, that's weird. They have Russian bullets in their back. Anyway. Yeah, they just killed four of our guys in spite of the ceasefire. So we're going to go through this line we've created through the negotiations and attack.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Well, those pretexts only work if you got a, a willing partner to go along with them, which has happened in the past with all of Europe and the US Presidents. Hopefully NATO wouldn't go for that sort of thing again. I would hope, but. So Trump said there would be consequences, but didn't elaborate yesterday. There would be harsh consequences if. If Putin doesn't agree to a ceasefire. And then said this. I thought this was interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

You meet with Vladimir Putin Friday in Alaska.

[Michael Beasley]

Yeah. Do you believe you can convince him.

[Jack Armstrong]

To stop targeting civilians in Ukraine?

[Michael Beasley]

Well, I'll tell you what, I've had that conversation with him. I've had a lot of good conversations with him. Then I go home and I see that a rocket hit a nursing home or a rocket hit an apartment building and people are laying dead in the streets. So I guess the answer to that is no, because I've had this conversation. I want to end the war. It's Biden's war, but I want to end it. I'll be very proud to end this war along with the five other wars I ended. But I guess the answer to that is probably no, because I would have had a good conversation with Vladimir. I knew him very well. I got along with him great. Actually. We had the Russia. I had to go through the Russia Russia hoax.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I don't know what to take from that. Do you think you can convince Trooping Putin to stop targeting civilians? No, I don't think I can. I hope he's at the end of the road.

[Jack Armstrong]

A threat of something terrible enough to deter him. Right.

[Nancy Lieberman]

That was the quote from George Schultz that I was mentioning the other day. One of the most famous negotiators from the 80s, back during the Cold War, these things. Unless you got one side willing to capitulate, you need some sort of power to force the negotiation to happen. And what is that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Power? Right. That was the great, great fault of Obama and Biden to a large extent and plenty of others. They think that intellect and conversation and cooperation and meetings around tables can achieve things that only power achieves. They're naive. Well, they're so self regarding. They're such egomaniacs so convinced of their own persuasive powers and intellect that they think, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna ignore all of human history where it was just, you know, the strong will do what they will, the weak will do what they must. Check with me in 5,000 years, unless AI robots have eaten us all. And that will still be true.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Right. And Putin will back down if he's going to lose something or something that he doesn't want is going to happen, like a whole bunch of European troops or he's going to, you know, be absolutely devastating economically. Economically or whatever. I'll tell you, it's an interesting place we are right now in the politics. I was watching MSNBC today and Joe Scarborough was talking about, he liked the idea of Trump saying, demanding a ceasefire. You get a ceasefire and then you, and you say, we're going to help rebuild Ukraine and the United States and Europe gets people in there right away helping build Ukraine. And Trump is able to save people. God, I'd say. And Trump is able to say, look, we got US Workers there. You start bombing Ukraine, you're attacking the United States. Yeah, that was Joe Scarborough and MSNBC suggesting that.

[Jack Armstrong]

So, hey, Joe, welcome back.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Where we are on the politics of this is pretty interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I would agree completely. How interesting. So my, you know, we could, we could talk about this all day and I'm sure there'll be plenty more and if you have any more clips you want to play, great. But my final thought on this is that when you're negotiating, you have to understand one of the most important things you can possibly do. And those of you who are old hands at this, I apologize for telling you something you already know. But the one thing you absolutely have to do is understand the other side and understand the other side's cost benefit analysis, their priorities, what they're willing to pay, what their goals are. Because if you look at Putin's cost benefit analysis, the benefit he is seeking is the reconquest of the great Soviet empire. And if that is the benefit to what you're doing, you would endure enormous costs. And I hope Trump understands that. You can't say, look, we'll sanction your oil and Putin's like, that will slow us somewhat in restoring the grandeur of the Soviet empire. Go ahead. Yeah, he has a monumental goal. So it could be difficult to stop him without some pretty monumental costs.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Some of the reporting is that Trump is hell bent on ceasefire. That's the whole thing. He's going to go in There. Before we get to any of this other stuff, there needs to be a ceasefire. And if he figures out in two minutes, as he said the other day, that Putin has no interest in it, well, here's Senator Ted Cruz on that.

[Jim Kessler]

There's a very real chance President Trump.

[Jack Armstrong]

Will get up and leave if Putin refuses to concede anything. That's exactly what Ronald Reagan did in Reykjavik with Gorbachev, and it's what led to winning the Cold War.

[Nancy Lieberman]

We will end the war in Ukraine.

[Jack Armstrong]

But we will do so through a strong president and a strong commander in chief.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I don't know if Ted Cruz has any insight. This is just what he wishes would happen, but I hope that that's what happens, that if Trump goes there and Putin has no interest in a ceasefire. Okay, we're done here.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just hope Trump has a team of, you know, negotiation experts, although Trump has done plenty himself, but. And psychologists and like, professional poker players and I don't know who else, professional poker players or like, professors of logic or whatever, who can say, all right. Or chess masters who can say, all right, I see what Putin's doing chess, because he will. It's actually. There's no T at the end, Michael, of chess. There's really not. Check it out. Anyway, you need to go in knowing with certainty Putin will be trying to manipulate you. Not negotiate with you, manipulate with you. Just, you've got to know that in your soul.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Trump takes in a lot of mainstream media and there are a ton of people talking about him. Will he get played by Putin, punked by Putin or whatever? The most easily butt hurt man in the history of the world surely knows that and is, like I said earlier.

[Jack Armstrong]

Treat him like you treated Rand Paul.

[Nancy Lieberman]

On the debate stage. That's what I wanna see. Put in your mind, put Rosie o' Donnell's head on Putin's body and talk to him like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now you're talking. So, final note, and this is so interesting, we talked about this during hour one of the show briefly, but it could be one of the pivotal moments in the history of Ukraine and Europe. Or one of the pivotal factors is the fact that Alexander Stubb, the president of Finland, is a really, really good golfer. And he and Trump bonded during a visit to Mar A Lago, really hit it off, played golf together, and Trump has. And look, I'm a golf freak and I think Trump's tendency to, like, rank people based on their prowess at the game is weird. Okay? But Stub is a really good player and Trump really likes him and he really respects him. And oh, by the way, Finland, which has been at the receiving end of Russian slash Soviet viciousness and bloodshed and conquest for a very, very long time. And the Finns are tough sons up. The president of Finland is now got, has now got Trump's ear when it comes to talking about Russia and Putin. If it had, if, you know what, if, if the freaking Macron of France was a really good stick, might be a very different situation, you know, or whoever's in charge of Spain, they don't even know who's in charge in Spain anyway. Happens to be the Finn who's a good stick. That could change history, which is crazy.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I'm thinking Emmanuel McCrone not a long ball hitter.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. I'm thinking maybe, maybe wears shorts, maybe wears skorts.

[Nancy Lieberman]

If I'm playing, if I'm playing best ball with him as my partner, I'll drive, you putt and make sandwiches.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're. You're wearing pink again, Emmanuel. This looks, looks good.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Wow. Trafficking stereotypes.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was. That was toxic masculinity.

[Nancy Lieberman]

It really was.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was sickening.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah, I apologize. I don't know what got into me. Manosphere, Just dripping with manosphere.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah. I'm thoroughly disappointed in both of you.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is disgusting.

[Nancy Lieberman]

It happens.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm triggered. Also known as Thursday. Yes.

[Nancy Lieberman]

We had another minute to kill and we'd run out of material and then we just started. We just fell apart.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speak for yourself.

[Nancy Lieberman]

We got more on the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

President Trump today announced that he will host the 2025 Kennedy Center Honors hosting award shows is what he envisioned being.

[Jim Kessler]

President is in the first place.

[Jack Armstrong]

I now present the award for sexiest NATO ally. And congratulations to the women of Latvia.

[Nancy Lieberman]

So the whole redistricting thing, getting a lot of news. Why did I just come across some of this stuff yesterday in a podcast with people who knew what they're talking about? Hey, Republican Congress people do a better job on those talk shows against pushing back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good Lord.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Anyway, get to that. Among other things, in hour three.

[Jack Armstrong]

Plus, behind the scenes of the rent a crowd business, you see a protest folks. There's a good chance those people are there because they got paid. Just hilarious.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Also, Taylor Swift and the Kelsey brothers broke the Internet. Got to check in on that story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you just made me vomit.

[Nancy Lieberman]

So this is unintentionally hilarious, I think. Here's the headline. This is a big Swedish study about people who live a long time. Headline. People who live to 100 have much in common, including suffering from fewer diseases. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thanks for that, Doctor.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I have something in common. I feel like people who live to 100 have birth dates that are more than a century away from their current living status.

[Jack Armstrong]

Almost all of them. Yeah.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Recent studies.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're saying they're healthier than the dead? Won't be damned.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Recent studies of centurions. That would be people who are in their hundreds. Thank you for that. Have found that they suffer fewer diseases overall, develop them more slowly, and are less likely to experience fatal conditions compared to people who live shorter lives.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, they didn't say that.

[Nancy Lieberman]

The sentence actually says that people who live to 100 are less likely to experience fatal conditions than people who die earlier.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I agree completely.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Now it's hard.

[Jack Armstrong]

On the other hand. Did AI write that?

[Nancy Lieberman]

Are you kidding me?

[Jack Armstrong]

I find that hilarious.

[Nancy Lieberman]

They considered the historical data from people born over between 1912 and 1922. Thousands of people. It's a very big study.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I would suggest It's a near 100% correlation between being alive and not being dead or not having a fatal condition.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah. So there's a lot of luck involved. He asked a doctor. They're gonna say, you know, what's the best way to live a long time? Don't smoke and have good genetics.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Nancy Lieberman]

And the genetics seem to be.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Michael, did you hear that? Did you hear that? Good genetics. That's eugenics. That's white fascism or something. White supremacy.

[Nancy Lieberman]

I heard it. That's why.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lord.

[Nancy Lieberman]

That's why I bought those American Eagle genes. This actually makes sense and is a little more in depth than that other comment. 100 year olds or more are able to delay and avoid many major age related diseases rather than surviving them. So it's not like, you know, they get whatever horrible thing kills a lot of us and then the medical, modern medical or whatever is able to take care of it. They just don't get it. They just don't get heart disease or you know, any of the horrible things that can happen to you for whatever genetic reason. Yeah, great genes. And I've said this a thousand times, but I remember it happened. I read about it roughly the time I got cancer. There's a big article in the Wall Street Journal. The number one factor in getting cancer, bad luck.

[Jack Armstrong]

Still.

[Nancy Lieberman]

It's just, it's just we don't know why.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Yeah. It was amongst a group of doctors who were all smoking cigars and I said, do you guys just not care about mouth cancer or whatever? And they're all in their 50s, 60s, 70s and they said no. If at this point we've had no sign and blah blah. No, it's just genetics.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I'm not a doctor, so don't go start smoking or anything.

[Nancy Lieberman]

But you thought you were going to drive people to start smoking with your flip it comments.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was afraid of. Yeah. And then being sued for it.

[Nancy Lieberman]

Yeah. If you missed a segment or an hour, get the podcast. It's Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

You should subscribe Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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