Come Enjoy the Debauchery

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Come Enjoy the Debauchery
Date: September 3, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This Armstrong & Getty episode, titled "Come Enjoy the Debauchery," weaves together themes of societal affluence, decline, and resilience (“good times breed soft people”), the challenges of addressing global threats like drug cartels and China's military expansion, and American culture's shifting values. The duo discusses how modern convenience and comfort lead to laziness and indulgence, explores nuanced ethical dilemmas in US drug interdiction, and confronts the realities of international competition—especially as China demonstrates its growing military might. Throughout, they maintain their trademark mix of irreverence, humor, and skepticism.

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Key Discussion Segments & Insights

The "Good Times" Dilemma: Comfort, Softness, and Societal Decline

[04:10 – 06:00]

• Jack frames the show's core theme by reflecting on historical cycles: prosperity leads to comfort, which breeds softness and debauchery.
  • Jack: "It’s as inevitable as a sine wave... when you have affluence in good times, you lose your edge as a society, as a person, often." [04:10]
• Joe concurs, joking about comfort and laziness but wonders if there’s any solution besides marginal tweaks.

Notable Quote:

• Jack: "Good times, affluence, comfort, lead to debauchery, indulgence, laziness, softness in general..." [04:10]

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Cold Medicine Skepticism & Placebos

[05:11 – 07:09]

• Joe performs a live "Alka Seltzer drop," sharing his skepticism about over-the-counter cold remedies.
  • He notes the FDA called one main ingredient (phenylephrine) completely ineffective, yet it's still in many products.
• Jack and Joe riff on how most cold remedies seem to just "tart up your Tylenol."
  • Joe: "Maybe you’re just tarting up your Tylenol with a bunch of stuff that doesn’t do anything." [06:57]
  • Both lament the lack of real innovation despite profitable demand.

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US Military Action Against Narco-Terrorists: Legality, Ethics, and Policy Spin

[07:10 – 14:24]

• Joe brings up viral footage of the US attacking a drug smuggling boat off Venezuela, noting the shift to calling traffickers "narco-terrorists."
  • Quote: "The term narco-terrorist has become a thing now... it’s not a capital offense... so how are we executing people out in a boat in the ocean?" [07:23]
• Jack frames "terrorist" as a term diluted by political spin, but explores whether large-scale criminal enterprises blur the line with military targets.
• Ethical Debate:
  • Joe: "If you can link a person to the pill that killed somebody, you can charge them with murder... but you don’t just preemptively assume they’re all murderers and kill them before you arrest them." [09:44]
• Discussion on deterrence: Will such policies curb trafficking via fear? Both note the message (as Marco Rubio put it): "the days of just, with impunity, loading up a boat full of drugs... are over" [11:51]
• Jack connects this debate back to the show's central theme: affluent, 'soft' societies lose their grip on necessary toughness.
  • Jack: "We as a country got to the point... you're so comfortable and affluent, you go after that final percent and a half of just fairness and goodness... and you completely forget the stuff you're supposed to do." [12:58]

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"Necessity vs. Nicety" & Societies Losing Their Edge

[12:24 – 14:08]

• Jack introduces his "necessity versus nicety" motif, arguing that focusing too much on fairness in prosperous societies breeds weakness and sows chaos (citing California’s lax criminal policies).
  • Jack: "You are so obsessed with nicety you completely forget about necessity." [13:18]
• Joe observes that drastic actions often risk error (“...chance of getting it wrong too”). They note the cycle: good times create weak people, bad times force a return to necessity.

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Absurd News Clips & Dark Humor

[15:13 – 16:13]

• Brief, surreal discussion about a viral story involving sneaker sales, foot fetishes, and an accidental car collision—emphasizing the debauchery and oddity of modern life.

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China's Monumental Military Parade: Global Power Shifts & American Malaise

[28:15 – 34:41]

• Jack and Joe react to China’s huge military parade, calling it possibly "the biggest military parade in world history."
  • Joe: "If you mean you want to do something scary... do a Google search on hypersonic weapons." [31:39]
• Highlights from parade:
  • World leaders in attendance: Putin, Kim Jong Un
  • Xi and Putin rewriting WWII as a China-Russia victory over Japan
  • Display of hypersonic nuclear missiles, unmanned platforms, and a functional nuclear triad
• Both hosts note America’s aging military advantage, lack of recent "big tests," and the domestic divide that might hinder united responses to threats.
  • Jack: "We're like the old boxer who's been retired... still thinks I could whup these youngsters, but hasn't been tested in a big way." [31:50]
• Joe wonders whether, if attacked, Americans would unite or fracture along political lines.

Notable Quote:

• Jack: "Geopolitically speaking, this is not a game for college professors. It's a game for big, tough, well-trained guys with great gear." [38:52]

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Mailbag & Reflections on Hardship, Parenting, and Satisfaction

[44:11 – 47:53]

• Jack reads a quote from Dallin Oaks:
  • "I know that relative poverty and hard work are not greater adversities than affluence and abundant free time." [44:49]
• Listeners write in about generational "softness"; Joe relates that his kids have never had a blister—a mark of easy living gone too far.
• Joe & Jack reflect on the satisfaction gained from overcoming hardship, as opposed to mere "amusement" from leisure or comfort.

Notable Quotes:

• Joe: "I do not do well with free time." [45:10]
• Jack: "Satisfaction is a different thing. Amusement is almost worthless... satisfaction is way more valuable." [47:44]

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Additional Memorable Moments

• [21:00 – 22:45]: Playful skepticism about the pace of AI advances; Jack speculates AI job loss might take decades—"I don't claim to know."
• [23:18 – 23:41]: Quick hit: Google avoids harshest monopoly penalty, just a "slap on the wrist."
• [33:14 – 33:32]: Discussion of political (and leadership) voids in the US: "I don't think Trump's the guy to do it... but neither is Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris."
• [39:24 – 40:02]: Riff on Jerry Seinfeld’s criticism of people who say "it is what it is" ("Why are you alive?").

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Timestamps of Major Segments

| Time | Segment | |----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:10 | Main theme introduced: Good times breed debauchery | | 05:11 | Cold medicine skepticism | | 07:10 | US kills 'narco-terrorists' – legality & ethics | | 12:24 | Necessity vs. nicety in affluent societies | | 15:13 | Absurd sneaker/foot fetish news clip | | 28:15 | China's military parade: power shift & hypersonic missiles | | 34:41 | China's cyber space force, hypersonic tech explained | | 38:52 | "Geopolitically speaking... not a game for college professors" | | 44:11 | Mailbag: hardship, comfort, generational differences |

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Summary & Takeaways

• The episode circles back consistently to the theme of societal softness in the face of affluence and convenience, contrasting that with the hard necessity of dealing with real threats (drugs, China, military decline).
• Jack and Joe are skeptical of easy answers—whether in medicine, international policy, or AI futures.
• Their back-and-forth employs humor, sharp critique, and self-deprecation to ask whether America is still equipped, mentally and physically, to handle adversity.
• The China segment stands out as a wake-up call: while the US debates abstraction and equity, adversaries are organizing and innovating with frightening speed.
• On a personal level, the hosts challenge listeners to value satisfaction from challenge—because mere amusement, like "the good times," fades quickly.

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Armstrong & Getty’s tone throughout:
Wry, skeptical, reflective, peppered with irreverence and classic “guy talk” ribbing.

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Notable Quotes Recap

• "It’s as inevitable as a sine wave... when you have affluence in good times, you lose your edge as a society, as a person, often." —Jack Armstrong [04:10]
• "Maybe you’re just tarting up your Tylenol with a bunch of stuff that doesn’t do anything." —Joe Getty [06:57]
• "The term narco-terrorist has become a thing now... it’s not a capital offense... so how are we executing people out in a boat in the ocean?" —Joe Getty [07:23]
• "We as a country got to the point... you're so comfortable and affluent, you go after that final percent and a half of just fairness... and you completely forget the stuff you're supposed to do." —Jack Armstrong [12:58]
• "If you mean you want to do something scary... do a Google search on hypersonic weapons." —Joe Getty [31:39]
• "Geopolitically speaking, this is not a game for college professors. It's a game for big, tough, well-trained guys with great gear." —Jack Armstrong [38:52]
• "I know that relative poverty and hard work are not greater adversities than affluence and abundant free time." —Dallin Oaks, read by Jack Armstrong [44:49]

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For listeners who missed this episode:
Expect a fast-paced, thought-provoking journey through the hazards of comfort, the challenge of defending America’s edge, and the sometimes-absurd realities of 21st-century culture—all seasoned with Armstrong & Getty’s signature wit.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

Live live from Studio C. Senor. We are in a dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong, you, Getty communications compound surrounded by alligators. We got that from that whole alligator Alcatraz. We decided Al Rators would be a.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nice touch, so we got some surprisingly inexpensive when you buy them in bulk.

[Joe Getty]

And today we're under the tutelage of our general manager. Okay, good times. Our general manager. What does that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not the beloved 70s hit sitcom and. Or anything. It's. It's funny. As I was preparing for the show, I came across a number of different stories, ideas, issues that all were connected by the sinew of the fact that good times, affluence, comfort, lead to debauchery.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Indulgence, laziness, softness in general. And, And. And I was thinking it's as inevitable as a sine wave. I don't know anything about when I wasn't good at math, but it's. It's as inevitable as the sunrise and the sunset, as inhaling and exhaling. I don't know if anything can be done about it except around the margins. When you have affluence in good times, you lose your edge as a society, as a person, often.

[Joe Getty]

Not debauchery.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's all about the debauchery.

[Joe Getty]

Hold on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come enjoy the debauchery.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know if you can hear this or not.

[Jack Armstrong]

What is that? Huh? What is that?

[Joe Getty]

I'm dropping my Alka seltzer plus cold medicine into the water and letting it fizz so that I can drink it during the show. It's the only cold medicine I feel like does anything. Of course, it might be placebo. I have no idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

But how have they not come out of hue?

[Joe Getty]

It is a weird color. It doesn't look like something you should drink. Surprising they have not come up with better cold medicine. Must be really hard because there would be a tremendous amount of money in it. Everybody gets a couple of colds.

[Jack Armstrong]

Per year.

[Joe Getty]

The profit would be just insane. But they really haven't moved the mark much on cold medicine, as far as I can tell, in my entire life. And one of the main cold medicines that have existed for the past quite a few years was announced by the fda, what, two years ago. It doesn't do anything. Not only is it got nothing in it, not only is it not very effective, it does nothing. And every cold medicine on the shelf still has it. That phenylphenarin or whatever it is, however you say that every single. Okay, this one right here, Alka Seltzer cold medicine has a couple of things in it that must actually do something than the phenylephrine, which does nothing. Every cold medicine still. So why do they still put that in there if it was announced that it doesn't do anything?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that. The name of that one is similar to something that does do something. And I can never remember which is which now.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, you've got epinephrine and that's good stuff. Pseudoepinephrine. Sure.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, absolutely.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sudafed? Yeah. Decongestant. But, you know, to me, a little Tylenol, a little ibuprofen, whatever. And the grin, Barrett. That's how you deal with a cold.

[Joe Getty]

Well, most this stuff almost always has Tylenol in it. So I think that's the only thing you're getting out of it. I got a question.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe you're just tarting up your Tylenol with a bunch of stuff that doesn't do anything.

[Joe Getty]

Almost certainly.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know that that's true.

[Joe Getty]

I just wonder if I had to bet. I would bet you're right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Slutty, slutty Tylenol.

[Joe Getty]

I got a question. So if you're a news junkie, you almost certainly have seen the video of us blowing the bejesus out of the 11 drug people in the boat off a coast of Venezuela.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cartel terrorists.

[Joe Getty]

That's right, terrorists. Okay, that's interesting that you say that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I'm quoting the administration, right?

[Joe Getty]

So the. The term narco terrorist has become a thing now. So if you bring a lot of drugs into the country, you're considered a narco terrorist. And terrorist in our minds sounds like people that were allowed to kill wherever the hell they are because we've been killing terrorists for a long, long time. I did see some pushback online. There's always pushback online about everything. Of what right do we have to kill? Kill drug smugglers? It's not a capital offense in the United States if You get caught as a, as a major drug dealer, we don't execute you. So how are we executing people out in a boat in the ocean? Do you know the answer to that? I'm not worried about this. I just thought it was an interesting question.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would agree completely. And that is the question that leapt to my mind as well. Can you kill somebody pre arrest for something? You can't kill them after you've arrested them for. Well.

[Joe Getty]

And am I right that this narco terrorist thing is a way to make it sound like something that we're all in favor of killing?

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure. It's spin. Yeah. I think the term terrorist in general has been rendered useless through overuse. Plus, it's just not that useful a term, honestly. It doesn't. Doesn't tell you enough. I think this is a really interesting and intriguing question. You have a criminal enterprise that is bent in its very purposes in doing evil. They are murderous, they are selling death. They have zero redeeming qualities and their activities will inevitably lead to many, many deaths. So how does that, how does that differ from a military force in its effects? I realize it's its purpose, its reason for being. Why they get up in the morning is different, but in its effects, it's remarkably similar to a military attack. It's just a little more indirect. So stuff them now and again to keep them away from your shores. I've got a great deal of sympathy for the strategy, but I can't really explain why it's okay.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if you're going to make that argument, then would, couldn't you make that argument for every, you know, group of six dudes that make meth in a trailer somewhere and put it out on the streets? Because it's going to kill people. All right, maybe meth, but whatever drug something was sentinel. Yeah. Now, I know that if you directly can link a person to the pill that killed somebody, you can charge them with murder and should. But you don't just preemptively assume they're a bunch of murderers and, and, and, and then kill them before you arrest them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. This, by the way, is not some sort of editorial against. We're just flipping the thing over and trying to figure out what it is.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, of things. How things I'm worried about today. Us taking out drug lords in Venezuela and whether or not it's legal is not on my list.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. Well, yeah, Drug lords would be a different case, though. These are drug lackeys, these are just runners. These are hourly employees. So. Which makes it more work. It's a good point. I'm not sure about the legalities, but grammar wise, you're absolutely correct. So now obviously they're outside the US as opposed to inside the US And I'm not an expert on this, but if you had a guy, a guy walking down the street and you threw undercover operations, you know, wearing a wire, whatever, you knew with certainty he was selling fentanyl to. I was gonna say teenagers, but let's not prejudice it. He's selling fentanyl, Fentanyl lace. Drugs to young people in America. Can I, as the government, gun him down in the street because he is delivering fentanyl to the homeland. Homeland. Or at least to people. We certainly the people in the boat differ from that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

The libertarian. How about we do it seven or eight times and have an incredibly quick decline in the number of those boats bringing fentanyl into the country?

[Joe Getty]

I think that's the goal. I think the goal is, as Marco Rubio said, I heard it this morning, lawyers argue about. Yeah, I heard Marco Rubio say it on the news. The days of just, with impunity loading up a boat full of drugs and taking them to the United States are over. Those days are over. Well, that's the message we're trying to send. That will greatly curb the drug traffic as they realize not a lot of people are going to take the job if you're just rolling out there in the ocean, beautiful day, not a cloud, the meow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Pow. Yeah. Yeah. You know, one final thought on this. And if I were a more ambitious fellow, I would have written some sort of book about this that people would have ignored probably. But. And I use this phrase for the first time ages and ages ago, and it had to do. It's funny, I remember it was something Hillary Clinton was pitching. I don't remember the specifics of it, but it's the question of necessity versus nicety. And this goes back to the whole good times create soft people, soft people create bad times, bad times create tough people, tough people create good times. You know, circle that I think is impossible.

[Joe Getty]

That's right. Our general manager was good times.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's right. Ain't we lucky we got them good times. Anyway, so we as a country got to the point and. And the woke thing and just the, you know, the old school lefty thing when it was really, really in charge, emptying out the prisons in California, for instance, California is a great example of it. The policies of California as a state right now are a great example of. You are so Comfortable and affluent. You go after that final percent and a half of just fairness and goodness and gentleness and equity and whatever and blah blah, blah. And you completely forget the stuff you're supposed to do. Yeah, you got criminals running wild in the streets. You got people shooting up and crapping in parks in front of children. You are so obsessed with nicety. You completely forget about necessity. And I don't have an answer on this. I'm noodling it through. And I find it really interesting is that snuffing of that boat full presuming their intelligence was excellent.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, there's always a chance of getting it wrong. Too right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was guys going out tarpon fishing. But presuming that their, their intelligence was as excellent as they say, that feels a little bit like a return to let's deal with necessity.

[Joe Getty]

That's an interesting one. I will talk more about that later. And if you haven't seen the video, it is. Well, it's about what you'd expect.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we'll have no time to talk about it later. We've got to talk about the Epstein file release of the controversy and the hearings.

[Joe Getty]

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Happy birthday, Jack's dad. Haven't seen you in ages. Hope you're well. God bless you. All right, let's begin before the FCC drones us from the sky. Here we go. Oh, yeah. Now under Trump. Here we go. At mark.

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We had met up because I was going to sell him my sneakers. He just wanted to sniff my feet and I didn't feel comfortable with that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, you could have my sneakers all you want.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I'm not wearing them.

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You know, they're just stinky old sneakers. But people like weird things. And I met him down in the parking garage.

[Jack Armstrong]

He did a three point turn and.

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Actually hit me with a car.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ran me over.

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I've met a lot of people who have foot fetishes. Nobody has ever done anything to this caliber.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. There's a lot there and we don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have to, you know, I thought there was plenty there. And then the whole running her over.

[Joe Getty]

Thing, we don't have time to break it down now. We might have to play that again later. And point by point, break down. The whole guy says he wants to buy your sneakers online. You meet him in a parking garage. Not sure that's the best idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I'm sorry my headphones glitched out. Michael, did she say she was or was not comfortable with that whole rain? She wasn't. Was not.

[Joe Getty]

Ah, I will get to that story later in a whole where are you going Jenny?

[Jack Armstrong]

I got a guy sniffing my feet in a parking garage.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God. Oh my God. How about that parade that China put on? That was one of the biggest military parades, maybe the biggest military parade in world history. That's a little scary. And we got that and a whole bunch of other stuff to talk about today. I hope you can stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. You know, it's funny, the ebb and flow of the. It's going to take everybody's jobs by the end of the year. Oh no, it's not. Not even close. It'll be fun.

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Nope, nope, nope, nope. Entire restructuring of the economy. What's that? No, everything will be fine. I mean, back and forth, it's just. Oh my God, it's nuts. But yeah, I'm. I'm less concerned than I was six months ago that there will be massive changes to the workforce and therefore society, therefore our politics, therefore everything in the short term, but who knows? Yeah, I don't claim to.

[Joe Getty]

I think the timing is different than I thought it might be. I think it will happen, but it might be 25 years from now instead of next June.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder. Interesting piece that came across about how China's approaching the whole AI thing differently. They are not going hardcore at the generalized artificial intelligence. Is that the term people use where the things learn to think for themselves? They're just like really concentrating on applications of what we have right now. We can talk about that more later. Quick rundown of the headlines. Katie is off today and will love to have her back as soon as possible as she deals with and I don't. I think we're cool. I always want to protect her privacy, but she's been so open about the fertility thing. And I will just tell you this, I feel like a reasonably well informed guy, but I did not have a single clue.

[Joe Getty]

Nope.

[Jack Armstrong]

As to the difficulty and complexity of the whole IVF thing. No.

[Joe Getty]

It's funny, it was such a political football there for a while with JD Vance and something he said or whatever during the presidential campaign. No, I had no idea. IVF is so complicated and long and not always pleasant. I didn't know any of that stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. In fact, damn near always unpleasant. But you know so quickly. Look at headlines. We mentioned US military struck a Venezuelan drug vessel in the South Caribbean. Kurt Bluey. We'll talk about that. More to come, I'm sure. Especially if it keeps happening. Let's see. You know what? I don't have the bandwidth for third world disasters in these godforsaken S whole countries. I'm not happy it happened landslide in Darfur, but I just don't have the bandwidth.

[Joe Getty]

How about this one on which I don't quite understand. Google avoided harshest penalties and landmark search Monopoly ruling what happened there I don't quite understand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Course case been dragging on for a court case. I've been dragging on forever about Google's relationship with Apple and it buying its way to being the default search engine and blah blah blah.

[Joe Getty]

The net result is Google has to share a whole bunch of their info that they've gathered over the years with other companies, which is interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it was a slap on the wrist is the wrong term for a civil settlement like this or a civil judgment like this. But it was a fraction of of the worst case scenario. Joni Ernst, Iowa not going to run again at the end of her term. Probably because it's useless being in Congress at this point or the Senate. Fat dopey communist Jerry Nadler also going to retire. Go away. Another headline. We talked about this yesterday. 70% of Americans say it's no longer true that if you work hard you'll get ahead.

[Joe Getty]

And here's the important thing then. $1.3 billion Powerball drawing tonight.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

A massive show of force by China. America's top adversaries attending a military parade in Beijing, sending a strong message that there's an alternative world order now competing with US Domination.

[Joe Getty]

Chinese President Xi Jinping is hosting world leaders including Russia's Vladimir Putin and North.

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[Joe Getty]

Kim arrived on a train so heavily.

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[Joe Getty]

So the train is so heavy so that it can withstand an explosion or attack of any kind that it can barely move. Kind of like the leader himself, right? So heavy he can barely move Anybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Attack the leader of North Korea?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. I think you get pretty paranoid when you're a dictator and you're surrounded by people all the time who probably would like to kill you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Final stray note. I like the way. David Panel. What's his name? Is that his name? Ian Panel. I like the way he says adversary. Yeah, adversary. Well, because they're adverse to you. I like that better than the American adversary. I'm becoming a Brit bit by bit.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, okay. President Xi there at the biggest parade the world has ever seen, biggest military parade, flanked by leaders from 26 countries.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

That's quite a few people that think, you know, we better be kind of in the whole sphere of China as they're a pretty big power. And most importantly, it was President Xi, Vladimir Putin, and then Kim Jong Un. I don't know why that seems so significant to people, but apparently it is because he doesn't usually go to these sorts of things. Trump, in the midst of the whole parade, which we'll tell you more about in a little bit, truthed out. A wish to President Xi and the Chinese people. Have a great and lasting day of celebration before adding, please give my warmest regards to Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un as you conspire against the United States of America.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. That's. It. Got a little sarcastic at the end. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

The military display was just absolutely. If you haven't seen the videos, it's just, it's unbelievable, all the stuff that was there. Xi's speech. First of all, they're rewriting history. Putin's been doing this for a long time. Xi and Putin together now are rewriting the end of World War II, or what World War II was. And in their version, which a lot of the people will only hear or be taught, World War II was Russia and China getting together to defeat Japan. That was what World War II was. And aren't they fantastic for having defeated Japan, China and Russia? That's funny, that's not the way I remember it. Xi's speech about that was followed by a display of the expanding military arsenal under his command, including new hypersonic nuclear capable missiles that we don't have. An unmanned combat platforms that strengthen China's abilities to deter the United States. Project power. They displayed for the first time their nuclear triad with the ability to attack any place in the world with nuclear weapons from sea, land or air, which they had never displayed before. And if you mean you want to do something scary, I did just this the other day. I did a Google search on hypersonic weapons on like Washington Post or New York Times. Start reading the articles about where we are versus Russia and China. It's freaking frightening.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I hate the idea of us actually getting into a kinetic war at this point. Not that, you know, we'd be a pushover or anything like that, but I think we are, you know, the old boxer who's been retired from fighting for a while and still thinks, you know, I could whoop these youngsters, but hasn't been tested in a big way. Certainly the capabilities of our special forces and, you know, the, the things we are involved in right now, they're, they're the elite. They're the best in the world. Best that's ever been. But in terms of mass, mass forces, weaponry, I'm not sure we're as well equipped as we feel like we are.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I wonder, I've been wondering this.

[Jack Armstrong]

For quite a while.

[Joe Getty]

If we get attacked by someone, is the story is, oh my God, we're attacked, what do we all rally together to do? Or is the story whoever's president caused it and half the country is not on board with whatever the response is and it just becomes a domestic political issue like and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or starts wearing the T shirts of the country that attacked us.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

In a show of how they hate the current guy.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I wonder that Mark Halpern writing in his newsletter today, if a charismatic American president can unite the nation in service of unmatchable United States economic might and global cultural influence, Uncle Sam wins, otherwise.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. And honestly, I don't think Trump's the guy to do it. I love a lot of what he's doing domestically, but internationally, but neither is.

[Joe Getty]

Going to be Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris or whoever follows.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a hell of a comparison.

[Joe Getty]

But that's where we are. That's who we're going to elect.

[Jack Armstrong]

Someone like J.D. vance, J. D, maybe. Vance, maybe.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, the parade was frightening on every damned level. And things are changing quickly. The world order is changing, maybe has changed. I was happy to hear on NPR today they had former ambassador to China, I think, I don't remember what the guy's name was, but he said on, on npr, the United States cannot allow China to dominate that part of the world. He just stated that on npr, which I was happy to hear. I don't know if we can stop it from happening, but I'm glad that even on super progressive npr, that was the take.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is interesting. So a quick rundown of what you saw if you were in Beijing for The big parade, they trotted out 10,000 troops, which is plenty. Beijing has the world's largest active army, estimated at about 2 million personnel.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not battlefield tested, so who knows. Formations in the parade included Chinese. China's cyber Space force and aerospace force, both brand new branches.

[Joe Getty]

They have a cyber space force?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Cyberspace force and aerospace force computers in space branches of the military China. That, that, that couple of phrases could loom large in a few years, I'd say anyway. China, leader in hypersonic missile technology showed off its new arrivals from its Ying Ji series Jack, which state media described as a strategic hammer for defending China's maritime interests.

[Joe Getty]

I don't want to be condescending, nor you better not.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll hit you with my strategic hammer.

[Joe Getty]

Nor the opposite, whatever that would be. About hypersonic missiles, we've thrown around that term and maybe all of you don't know what those are, but those are the missiles that can fly so fast and so low that our super fantastic modern radar equipment can't pick them up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, can't pick them up.

[Joe Getty]

They could send a missile around the world so fast, so low it could drop a nuke on Los Angeles before we even know that a missile has been sent.

[Jack Armstrong]

So they mentioned that the YJ19 missile features air inlets that you can see under the nose cone that appear very similar to those of Russian hypersonic cruise missiles. Powered by air breathing jet engines known as a scramjet, hypersonic weapons can travel at extreme speeds to better evade most air defenses. To your point, it's an improvement in the design, blah blah, blah, blah, which delivers a hypersonic glide vehicle, a projectile that is propelled to a high altitude before streaking down toward its target, maneuvering to make its path less predictable, you had your D5FC intercontinental ballistic missiles. It can strike anywhere in the world. Aerial drones were on display. Now these are the big drones like our Reaper and Predator drones. I think those are the right names are big. They're unmanned fighter jets essentially. They had a bunch of those of various sorts. Jet fighters, bombers, helicopters, carrier based fighters. Anti drone air defense systems were trotted by. They appear to be laser beams. New high power laser and microwave weapons designed to intercept targets such as drones and cruise missiles.

[Joe Getty]

You know, it's interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Pretty, pretty Star wars looking too. It's pretty cool looking.

[Joe Getty]

It's pretty interesting to me that we had this debate, what, a couple of months ago when Trump had that military parade or whether or not that was appropriate or not, warmongering and this or that, our number one adversary or adversary on planet Earth just had a giant military parade destroyed. Parade to show us what they've got. Why wouldn't we show them what we've got?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, the idiotic lefty argument would be, well, we want to be different from them. That's not an argument. Shut up. I also think that in the real world, not the ivory tower of academia, which is so sick and perverse it ought to be blotted from the planet and not in the lefty media, which is scarcely better. In the real world, when normal people look at their team and how cool their team is and how well equipped it is and how our taxes have been spent for stuff other than waste and crap, it makes you happy, makes you feel good, makes you want to say, look at our team. Hell yeah. As the NFL season's about to kick off, I'm. I'm in favor of it again. We've lapped so far into this for, like, academic professorial seeking of being the most enlightened people we can possibly be. The big tough guy who does not give a single f about being enlightened is gonna kick down our door and take all our stuff and laugh as we, we blubber. Geopolitically speaking. This is not a game for college professors. It's a game for big, tough, well trained guys with great gear.

[Joe Getty]

You saying shut up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Says me. Huh?

[Joe Getty]

You saying shut up. That's not an argument. Reminded me I was watching a Jerry Seinfeld thing, a new one the other night, and he said, people who say it is what it is, why are you alive?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I happen to disagree with him on that point.

[Joe Getty]

I do too. I kind of like the phrase, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, well, it's. It's an ancient sentiment. It means the same thing as amen. Essential. So be it. I must accept it.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, more interestingly to me, anyway, about Jerry Seinfeld, I guess he got in, quote, unquote, Internet trouble for about a cup of coffee. Internet trouble over some, you know, bit he did and some columnist. I wish I had the name because they deserve whatever slander I can generate. I think it was a New York Times somebody. It was a fairly big name since, you know, Jerry Seinfeld. I don't even find him funny.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, good.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I don't know. Okay. All right. Yeah, okay. Jerry Seinfeld isn't funny. The Beatles didn't write any good songs. Whatever. Shut up. You shut up too.

[Joe Getty]

Why are you alive? Okay, we got Joe's mailbag next.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Joe Getty]

Hey, there's a new video game out called Take Us north in which the you let players players help migrants cross the border. Oh boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

Why does everybody go out of their way to poke other people and create a controversy and whatever?

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's your freedom loving Quote of the day. It's from Dallin Oaks, who is a religious leader and former Utah Supreme Court justice, to our theme earlier today. This is really an interesting quote. I know that relative poverty and hard work are not greater adversities than affluence and abundant free time. One more time. I know that relative poverty and hard work are not greater adversities than of affluence and abundant free time.

[Joe Getty]

And who said that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Dallin Oaks, who is a Utah Supreme Court Justice. The idea that having to work hard and get ahead is a blessing compared to being affluent and having lots of free time. In terms of your development as a human being, I would agree with that.

[Joe Getty]

That's been my experience. Yeah, I do not do well with free time.

[Jack Armstrong]

More on that theme through mailbag. Move fairly swiftly. I don't want to beat this to death, but Brett writes Guys, the poll you discussed yesterday regarding people's outlook on the future reminded me of this thing. This part Easy times make for soft people. My kids have grown up very easy compared to me and especially compared to my father and grandfather. I don't think my kids have ever had a blister. Their easy life life has made them soft and unwilling to put in any effort.

[Joe Getty]

I could have written that email.

[Jack Armstrong]

That.

[Joe Getty]

Would fit my my experience so far.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, I forgot to say drop this note. Mailbagarmstrongygetti.com don't think my kids have ever had a blister.

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I don't Think my kids have had either.

[Jack Armstrong]

Valerie writes Jack, I loved hearing about your visit to your dad's home in Iowa. My mom was born in 1922, grew up in a small coal mining town in Wyoming. Growing up in the modern suburb of Big City, I was fascinated by my mom's grandmas and aunts reminiscences about their life. It was a hard life, but they did not complain was the frequently spoken theme. They spoke fondly about their lives, laughed, shared memories. Mom said that at Christmas there was a community event where each child received a silver dollar and an orange. Oh please mind, we got a diamond and orange peel at my events. Valerie, you lived like a queen. And her grandma actually was a teacher at one of those one room schools like your dad attended.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that kind of fits in with that quote. You probably did this on purpose. You're a crafter of magic. But that really fits in with that quote that you opened with about affluence and, you know, and leisure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

It's funny was my dad and his sister were telling all the stories. There was no. That was awful or that was so hard or anything. It was, it was all kind of smiling wistfully looking back on that lifestyle.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, maybe happy it was over. Just, just out of curiosity, all, all parents, especially, you know, if your kids are grown, what is your most cherished memory with each of your children? You know, you might have to think about it. I'd have to think about it. One that pops to mind is, is something my daughter and I did that was very, very difficult. Cherish that memory. All sorts of fun times at amusement parks and stuff. You'd have to remind me that they even happened. I don't, I didn't get. We didn't get satisfaction out of it. We got amusement out of it. And I'm pro amusement. Trust me, satisfaction is a different thing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Moving along. Unless you have more to say.

[Joe Getty]

No, satisfaction is way more valuable and deeper in a better feeling long term than amusement. God, amusement is almost worthless. It's barely okay in the time and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Has no lasting memory. It's just a breath you take before you go off and seek more satisfaction. I think Ryan from Houston with a really good and perceptive email. The title is we are Doomed. Ryan, I'm not in the mood. Maybe later, maybe another time. But good stuff.

[Joe Getty]

I would like to hear it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Nick in Minnesota writes, guys, I heard you talking about how you think Trump's tariffs on India are doing more harm than good and driving them into the arms of China. Just wanted your take on what you think Trump should do about them buying Russian oil. The whole reason he cranked up the tariffs over the last month was because they would not stop buying Russian oil. If, as you've said many times, we need to put more pressure on Russia to stop the Ukraine war, I don't see a better way to do it than trying to starve the Russian war machine of funds. Well, that's absolutely true, Nick. You know, I don't mean to be snarky. He imposed the tariffs and drove India into the arms of Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, and they're still buying Russian oil and will continue. So, A, it didn't work. B, that's what makes this stuff hard. You. It's. It's almost like, you know, parenting or whatever. You can only exert so much negative pressure before you've alienated somebody to the point that you have no effect on them anymore. You got to be careful. Right?

[Joe Getty]

There's also, though, the. The bad outcome might have been going to happen no matter what anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's absolutely true. Yeah, Nick, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying this stuff is hard and well, and it takes really, really smart, perceptive people to do it well. And that's why they're legends of history, honestly. And finally, this Margaret. Margaret went to the Cracker Barrel, played the IQ test game. The new one. Not only Jack, everybody gets a trophy verbiage on it. No more calling you a moron or a ignoramus. Ignoramus. No, it's. Everybody's a winner in this game. But it's cheap, Chinese made. And the word embarrassed is embarrassingly spelled incorrectly on the game.

[Joe Getty]

I heard that. Yeah, and it's cheap plastic now instead of the way it used to be. Oh, man. The good times are on, America.

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