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Armstrong (3:07)

Wow, what a cool song. I want to get drunk and have sex. It's one more thing. Armstrong and Getty.

Michael (3:13)

One more thing. Is that two thoughts or one like longer thought?

Armstrong (3:20)

It's all one thought. One thought for the whole country starting in 1956. After this, we've got a great allstar show going along with him. But right now, singing a medley of some of the songs that you enjoy.

Michael (3:34)

To the extent of boosting them over.

Armstrong (3:36)

The million mark, here is Elvis. Wow, listeners, people go nuts. So why am I, why am I playing this? Thinking about this? That's good. Michael. I'm reading Bruce Spring Springsteen's memoir, actually listening to it, which he reads himself and he talked about, he's talking about his childhood and everything like that. And he's a high school kid and he sees Elvis on the Ed Sullivan show and how everything in his life changed for him and everybody who was young in America and everything like that. And he talks about the same similar thing happening, like to an even greater degree when the Beatles went on Ed Sullivan. So this is well trod ground. Right? But what is not well, trout and trod. And I don't understand why, is how it's been presented since I was a kid as obviously a good thing, that all of a sudden all young people decided my parents are stupid. Everything they've ever done, the way they dress, the music they listen to, the things they care about are all awful and we're gonna do something new.

Michael (4:44)

Yeah.

Armstrong (4:44)

Why has it always been presented that way my whole life. Now when I was younger, I bought that because I felt the same way, because I agreed old people are stupid. The things they do, the way they dress, the music they listen to, the way they think is all stupid and horrible. But it's clearly, in my opinion, been bad for the country ever since that night in 1956 that we went a different direction culturally. Now Bruce presents it as well, kind of the way I just described is finally we didn't have to live under the old rule. Finally we got to blah, blah, blah, the sexual revolution. Okay, so has the sexual revolution helped anybody? Women especially, Families, kids, society. Is anything good come out of this? The only examples I could come up with would be women being able to work in the workplace and in a, in a rise to whatever level your talents will take you, obviously a good thing. And civil rights movement, obviously a good thing. But did we need to have all the other stuff to achieve those things? And is it at some point, should we take a good long second look at the Cultural Revolution and whether or not that was a good idea?

Michael (5:53)

Yeah, a couple of things.

Armstrong (5:54)

The Cultural Revolution, Chinese Cultural Revolution, where they're dragging people in the streets and beyond.

Michael (6:00)

Very different. Yeah, a couple of things. Number one, who was presenting that idea to you through the years? Hippies, generally. The media and education, people that grew.

Armstrong (6:13)

Up in that era. Hippies mostly. The teachers who, like all my, my teacher. I tell my kids this all the time. When I had music classes in school, we were singing Bob Dylan songs and protest songs in fourth grade because they were all hippies at the time and you know, in the 60s and.

Michael (6:28)

But they were all people of the left who were in charge of popular culture and education. And it's even further today, so it's not surprising that they would have an unmitigatedly positive view of that. Second thing is, and this is, this is funny, we've discussed this on and off through the years how if you have, and it's kind of an outdated reference now, but especially, you know, a decade or two ago, if something crazy was happening, you know, like pornographic, you know, sexually explicit stuff in schools or, or, you know, some performer, you know, what's her name, Miley Cyrus is practically bare ass naked rubbing her privates on stage, right? And you said, hey, that's, that's not good. People would say, oh, yeah, just like when Elvis shook his hips on the Ed Sullivan Show. That's too much for you, old man. Oh, come on. The notion that if two steps in one direction are okay, 11 steps in that direction must be okay too. Clearly.

Armstrong (7:34)

Well, I'm here to say chapter in.

Michael (7:36)

What part of your life have you discovered that to be true?

Armstrong (7:38)

I'm questioning the first step, and I never did when I was younger. It always seems stupid and repressive and blah, blah, blah. What's the advantage of having young Elvis Presley shaking his hips suggestively on television? What's the upside?

Michael (7:51)

What were we trying to do?

Armstrong (7:53)

What were we trying to accomplish? I, I don't understand what the upside is of all of this different stuff. The throwing off the. No more listening to the man and blah, blah, blah. I, I don't feel like it's done us any good.

Michael (8:05)

Yeah, yeah. My only caveat, it's not a disagreement exactly, is that a lot of that stuff doesn't lead the culture as much as they claim it does. It reflects it. It's like, you know, Trump didn't create these times. These times created Trump. And the you couldn't keep Elvis off the TV anymore was the reality.

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Armstrong (8:31)

So I want to go back further because I, I, I'm getting more and more because he had so such enormous.

Michael (8:37)

Support, and the people who thought that was too much were an increasingly small percentage of society.

Armstrong (8:42)

I'm getting.

Michael (8:42)

That's what I would suggest.

Armstrong (8:44)

Much more conservative as I get older, as a lot of people do. And I just think that, I think I first heard it from God. Who's the guy from Commentary magazine, does the podcast and longtime writer. His dad was a big deal, writes for the New York Post. However you say his name. John Pod Horizon. Yes. Harvey says name first. He, he says the cultural decline in this country for the last half century. I heard him talking about that and I thought, wow, is that, that, is that sounds about. Yeah. And there has been a tremendous cultural decline in this country for 60, 70 years now.

Michael (9:24)

Maybe it wasn't by cultural decline. If people are not hip to this.

Armstrong (9:27)

This idea, I'm not exactly sure I would have to define it for myself. What's that?

Michael (9:31)

Morals.

Armstrong (9:32)

Definitely morals. No doubt that family structure going along with it. You know, it's the idea that you could leave your door unlocked and nobody's going to go in a house in her house and ste stuff. I think when that changes to the fact that you got to have iron bars on your house, there's been a cultural decline of some sort. I don't know how you definitely nail it down. And I don't know exactly how it ties in with long hair and, you know, free sex, but it goes together somehow. Now, it's interesting your notion of which led which that maybe Elvis, the Beatles, tube tops were all a reflection of something that was coming anyway. So is that the end of people caring about the church? I don't know. But it's all my whole life been presented as, thank God that happened. What a good thing. And I don't see the evidence of it.

Michael (10:30)

Yeah. I remember being really intrigued in college by the difference between liberty and license. And there's subtlety to it. I, you know, liberty is essentially like Thomas Jefferson's. If what you do doesn't steal my money or break my arm, it's none of my business. License is much further than that. That everybody has to put up with a lot more ugliness than most of us would agree we want. Because any limitation of liberty is just horrible on its face. And I've done a poor job of explaining it, but we got halfway there anyway. But part of it, and this is so politically incorrect and we almost got run out of our careers for saying it years and years ago. Diversity is great and cool and fun in a lot of ways. And there's nothing I love more than the story of an immigrant who comes to the United States and loves this country and achieves their dreams and talks about this is the land of opportunity and teaches their kids to be patriots and stuff like that. That warms my heart. I absolutely love it. But diversity is a real challenge because if you have shared cultural values, you can have conversations about, is this too far? Elvis shaking his hips was okay. Miley Cyrus rubbing her crotch in front of teenagers. Not okay. If you have no. Or very everywhere. Oh, porn. Yeah. Including in elementary schools. And if you try to take those books off the shelves, you're called a sensor anyway. But if you have incredibly watered down common cultural values such that you really don't have them anymore, it becomes impossible to have that discussion in a productive way. And so what you end up is with is we don't have any standards at all. Anything goes. Because I can't agree with my Mexican guy who escaped the cartel in his town on what govern good governance is. Not to mention the Russian emigre who's ripping off the, you know, social services or whatever. Not to generalize, there are plenty of Russian folks of Russian extraction who are wonderful people, but all of those different cultural values. How do I convince all those different constituencies that wait, no, no, no, no, no. We don't let porn in schools.

Armstrong (12:56)

See, I think if I could go back in time, I think if not showing Elvis being suggestive dancing would keep porn from being everywhere, I'd be for keeping Elvis off the tv. But, but your point, and I don't know if I've ever thought about this before, heard anybody say it, those kids went crazy screaming for it. They wanted that. Why did they want to. And that arriving, I'm guessing 30 years earlier in 26 instead of 56 crowd wouldn't have gone crazy like that.

Michael (13:28)

Yeah, but it was, it was something similar but different, if you know what I mean. In that era, you have to look at it in the historical context too. All of the self deprivation and Sacrifice and unity, including uniformity of the World War II era. Because we in the Western world were fighting an existential battle against, you know, the, the Nazis, the Axis powers, and then later in the Cold War against the communists. And man, you've got to get in line. You got to act more like a soldier in a situation like that. But as those threats receded, kids, especially young people especially, were like, I'm sick of acting like a soldier. I don't want to act like a soldier. I want to grow my hair and I want to listen to loud music. And so that it was inevitable that an Elvis would be gyrating on TV and the Beatles would have long hair and the rest of it. But again, two steps does not justify 11 steps in a particular direction.

Armstrong (14:27)

Yeah, I'm not sure you can stop it once it starts. That's why you not.

Michael (14:31)

Not unless you have a consistent culture. It's like, we've talked about this a long time. You know, why socialism, a form of socialism, social democracies worked in the Scandinavian countries because they were ethnically, religiously and practically to the family, homogenous. Everybody knew everybody, everybody was the same, had the same cultural values. They could all get together and say this much socialism is okay, but if you exploit the system, we're going to kick you out. Okay, we agree.

Armstrong (15:02)

Well, just like on the sexual stuff. So you start in 1956 where they didn't show Elvis below the waist because it was too suggestive for America to handle it. Now porn is everywhere. Absolutely everywhere, all the time. Everybody's seen it at every age.

Michael (15:21)

Is there any reason, including acts that aren't ever done in the bedroom, only by circus performers anyway.

Armstrong (15:28)

Go on. You have really have to have really strong calves to be able to pull.

Michael (15:31)

That off.

Armstrong (15:34)

Depending on what you're picturing. Is there any reason to think we won't have. In my lifetime, assuming I live 30 more years, that's 90, 20 more years. That's only 80, 25 more years predicting my, my lifespan. Is there any reason to think that we won't have a woman performing oral sex on a dude on stage at a concert and that people cheering.

Michael (16:02)

It could happen.

Armstrong (16:03)

Katie, any reason to think that won't happen? I mean, if you look at the, the, the chart from can't show Elvis below the waist to here, it's quite a change.

Pandora Jewelry Advertiser (16:13)

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Armstrong (16:16)

I don't see any. What's going to arrest the direction we're on.

Michael (16:19)

Right? Right.

Armstrong (16:20)

And plenty of you'd say, what's the harm if people are, you know, if it's adults and people, you know, paid the ticket?

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Armstrong (16:29)

Good point. Very good actually.

Michael (16:32)

Yeah. Well, and I've been to a live sex show in Amsterdam, which I have made clear through the years was about the least sexy thing I've ever seen.

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Michael (21:04)

What?

Armstrong (21:05)

Why was that?

Michael (21:08)

How many first?

Armstrong (21:09)

Okay, set the stage as they say in the stage setting business.

Michael (21:11)

What two naked people?

Armstrong (21:13)

How many people are in this club?

Michael (21:16)

Oh gosh.

Armstrong (21:17)

Crowded.

Michael (21:19)

Remember, it was seedy place.

Armstrong (21:21)

Nice place.

Michael (21:22)

No, it's fairly nice. My recollection was there were a couple, two, three. Dozen.

Armstrong (21:29)

Okay.

Michael (21:30)

And. And it was kind of like stadiumish seating.

Armstrong (21:34)

Okay. So it's like it's like we're at a. Okay, like at a sporting event.

Michael (21:39)

Yeah, yeah, we were. It was in a way.

Armstrong (21:42)

And then a man and woman come.

Michael (21:43)

Out on stage or they came. They walk out in robes looking completely.

Armstrong (21:48)

Bored and do you clap, dude?

Michael (21:50)

I remember this.

Armstrong (21:50)

Pardon me, Are you clapping? Is there music?

Michael (21:53)

I don't remember. I really don't remember. Yeah, I'm sure there was music. Yeah. But both of them walk out like they're walking out of shift to bus tables at, you know, your local Chili's or whatever. They got robes on. They doff the robes. They. They go to it that, you know, switching positions every so often. Dude is chomping gum. What?

Armstrong (22:15)

Is there a bed or are they on the stage?

Michael (22:18)

It was some sort of platform, some sort of reasonably comfortable platform, as I recall. They're completely nude. Seriously, the looks. Oh yeah, totally naked. And dude was quite well equipped for the job. But they both had looks on their faces like they were working a shift at the drive through at a not very good fast food place. And he's chewing his gum looking like, can't wait till this is over. And she's like, got a blank look on her face like she's being used like a sheep. And it was like, what are we doing here? Getting the touristas to give up a few shekels to come with, take in what sounds like a great idea and is absolutely not.

Armstrong (23:02)

I wonder what that paid for the performers. Obviously not enough if they looked like that while they were doing it. Yeah, you could at least pretend to look like you were like, the news.

Michael (23:11)

Today Target, right, is telling their, their employees, hey, if customers near you, smile at them. Give them a pleasant look. Don't look like you're in an Amsterdam sex show getting used like a piece of meat.

Armstrong (23:23)

Was there like a bell?

Michael (23:24)

And then they would switch positions or.

Armstrong (23:26)

You know, like ding.

Michael (23:27)

No, they're pros, Michael. They didn't need to be told. Yeah.

Armstrong (23:30)

And how long did you sit there? And did.

Michael (23:34)

Not terribly long because they would come out and like do their, their hijinks for a few minutes and then they'd, you know, tip their non existent cap to the crowd or whatever. All right, that's great. Super. And then, you know, people would leave. I get, as I recall, this was a number of years ago.

Armstrong (23:52)

You like that? Wait till you see what we do next act. The point was I get you to buy drinks, probably keep you around and have you buy.

Michael (23:59)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you like that. No, I actually didn't. And I'm a Big fan of the Beast with two backs. But no, that was terrible. That reminded me of how dehumanizing, quote unquote sex work is. That's what it did. I was there with my co workers too, which is kind of funny. Men and women, as I recall.

Armstrong (24:21)

Did you put that of each. Did you put that on the expense card?

Michael (24:26)

I don't think so.

Armstrong (24:27)

Did the company pay for that?

Michael (24:28)

This company, you know what they have team building.

Armstrong (24:31)

Team building.

Michael (24:32)

It was team building because we were all like what the F was that? That was back in the day when you liked your co workers and had inside jokes.

Armstrong (24:43)

Together.

Michael (24:44)

Watch strangers fornicate on a stage. Those were better times. Am I undermining your point here?

Armstrong (24:51)

You should have heckled. Act like you enjoy it. Good lord, not tonight.

Michael (24:57)

I have a headache. Just say that if you don't want to do this.

Armstrong (25:02)

This sucks.

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You call yourself a fornicator?

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Armstrong (25:12)

I have a theory. The decline happened when we got color TV because it made life seem more exciting. People went out, they started doing drugs and non sexual positions. So nailed it. That's exactly so. Blame color tv. Well, I guess that's it.

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