Deliberately Built to be Addictive!

Summary

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Episode Title: Deliberately Built to be Addictive!
Date: March 26, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the recent landmark lawsuit verdict which found Meta (Instagram) and Google (YouTube) liable for negligence and acting “with malice, oppression, or fraud” due to their platforms’ allegedly addictive designs. Armstrong and Getty wrestle with issues of legal precedent, personal responsibility, the role of big tech, and draw analogies to other industries. The second half of the episode transitions to foreign policy, focusing on the ongoing Iran crisis, U.S. military options, and global implications, featuring notable commentary from UAE officials and broader reflections on Islamic extremism.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Landmark Verdict Against Meta and YouTube

Timestamps: 03:34 – 15:50

• News Recap: The jury awards $6 million for damages, with findings that Meta and YouTube were designed to be addictive and failed to adequately warn users—particularly minors (03:34).
• Legal Precedent: Armstrong and Getty note the large number of similar pending lawsuits, comparing this moment to “Big Tobacco,” and questioning implications for other “addictive” products (07:22, 08:29).
• “Addictiveness” Debate:
  • Getty: “Every product is built to make you use it as much as possible... Lay’s potato chips tries to make it so you can’t stop eating them...” (04:24).
  • Armstrong questions the legal/semantic use of "addictive," suggesting it’s a lazy label, not a basis for liability.
• Infinite Scroll and Design Choices:
  • Discussion about how features like “endless scrolling” and “like” buttons are at the heart of the legal argument, sidestepping Section 230’s protections by targeting design rather than content (11:02).
• Role of Parents:
  • Strong opposition to the argument that parents shouldn’t be blamed if children spend inordinate time on social media.
  • Armstrong: “You’re a bad parent. You suck. Send your children to me. I will raise them.” (15:45)

Notable Quotes

• Armstrong: “This is a social issue, not a legal one. People need to understand what’s good for them and what’s bad for them and do the things that are good for you and don’t do the things that are bad for you.” (14:54)
• Getty: “I hate Zuckerberg, I hate Google. But this is not gonna do anything good for the Culture or for society.” (10:16)
• Armstrong: "If your kid watches Instagram 16 hours a day might not be good for him." (09:58)
• Armstrong: “The time for blaming parents is over ... that is an argument to make her more money, period.” (15:23)

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2. Broader Legal, Cultural, and Societal Implications

Timestamps: 11:36 – 13:47

• Section 230 and Platform Liability: Plaintiffs working around legal shields by focusing on platform design, not user content.
• Civil Lawsuit Dynamics: The hosts critique the plaintiff’s bar, suggesting many suits are cash grabs, not grave moral crusades.
• Warning Labels & Liability Creep: They predict websites will now add useless warning screens—the tech equivalent of “please drink responsibly” (13:47).

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3. Quick Tangent: “Big Arch” McDonald's Sandwich Review

Timestamps: 19:19 – 23:14

• Product review interlude: Armstrong & Getty mock the viral awkward CEO launch of McDonald’s new sandwich (the “Big Arch”), then give their blunt, negative review.
• Memorable: “Henry and I both ate part of it and went and ordered other food.” (21:10)

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4. Iran Crisis: Negotiations, Military Options & Global Stakes

Timestamps: 23:23 – 47:58

• Escalation Threats:
  • Trump, via Truth Social, warns Iran to “get serious” or face devastating military action. Press Secretary Caroline Levitt echoes readiness to “unleash hell.” (27:04)
• Military Options Discussion: Seizing multiple strategic islands, potential blockades, and targeting Iranian oil exports and nuclear sites (28:02).
• Polling & Politics:
  • Most Americans, especially independents, oppose the Iran war (32:10).
  • Discussion on how Trump has failed to make a strong public case and risks being swayed by poor polling (32:46).
• European Inaction: Frustration with Europe’s passive role both in Ukraine and the Middle East (34:27).

Notable Quotes

• Getty (about Iran’s negotiation stance): “That’s a high level troll, man.” (30:08)
• Armstrong: “Flabby, useless socialists with nice architecture. Right.” (34:36)

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5. Voices from the Gulf: UAE Minister on Iran

Timestamps: 38:47 – 41:21

• UAE Perspective: Lena Nasaiba explains Iran’s attack on Gulf states as an attack on the global economy, underscoring dependence on the Strait of Hormuz for oil, gas, and key supplies (38:47).
  • “Iran is trying to give the global economy a heart attack. We should not allow Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism, to set the global price for food and gas.” – Lena Nasaiba (39:24)
• Why Iran Provokes: Nasaiba describes UAE’s progressive success as threatening to Iran’s regime: “We are an idea that threatens Iran... we are open, we are progressive, we are tolerant, we’re a vibrant economy.” (40:16)
• Global (not just US) Problem: Other countries, including NATO and Europe, are expressing support for securing the straits and countering Iran (40:55).
  • Armstrong: “It sure be nice if any mainstream news outlets would have some voice like her on to make that case as opposed to make it seem like it’s Trump’s crazy wacky on his own lark.” (41:21)

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6. The Big Picture: Rogue States, Extremism, and US Foreign Policy

Timestamps: 41:35 – 47:58

• “Jungle of Poisonous Snakes” Metaphor:
  • Quoting James Woolsey on rogue regimes post-Cold War (41:53).
• Pattern of Toppling Dictators:
  • Armstrong shares arguments supporting US strategy of systematically undermining anti-American dictatorships, despite chaos that follows.
• Iran as Exporter of Extremism:
  • Highlighting Iran as the ideological engine driving radical Islam globally, with references to Salman Rushdie fatwa, terror proxies, and support for Hamas and Hezbollah.
• Long-Term Stakes:
  • The real battle is against the ideological roots of Islamic extremism, not just near-term oil price fluctuations.
  • Armstrong: “Islam versus... The West is the biggest challenge on earth and if you back down, you get more of it. Yup, it’s just the way it works with any bully.” (47:48)

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Memorable Moments & Additional Quotes

• Armstrong: “Show me the deep pockets, I will find the reason to sue them, say plaintiff's attorneys. They're creative people, they're smart people. They see somebody with a lot of money, they will figure out what to sue them for and then make dramatic speeches about the injustice and the exploitation.” (12:24)
• Armstrong (mocking the need for liability warnings): “If it made financial sense for Lays to make an endless bag of chips... would they be on the hook for something?” (14:25)
• Getty: “Nobody should ever eat a sandwich that’s a thousand calories.” (23:11)

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Key Timestamps/Segments

• Landmark Tech Verdict & Addictive Design: 03:34–15:50
• Section 230 & Legal Loopholes: 11:36–13:47
• McDonald’s “Big Arch” Review: 19:19–23:14
• Iran Crisis & US Military Options: 23:23–36:25
• UAE Minister’s Perspective: 38:47–41:21
• Big-Picture Foreign Policy Reflections: 41:35–47:58

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Episode Tone & Style

• Direct, irreverent, and occasionally combative
• Nuanced skepticism toward both Big Tech and Big Lawsuits
• Concerned but pragmatic on global and local issues
• Frequent analogies to other industries and American culture
• Sprinkled with gallows humor, sarcasm, and punches at lazy thinking

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For Further Thought

The episode raises provocative questions for listeners:

• Should liability for “addictive design” extend to any consumer product?
• Are lawsuits a useful check on tech companies, or just a cash grab?
• How do we balance parental responsibility and corporate accountability in the digital age?
• What is the real endgame for the US and the world in facing Iran and radical Islamism?

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For more analysis or to join the conversation, Armstrong & Getty encourage texting the show at 415-295-KFTC.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[News Reporter]

Meta and YouTube were found liable for negligence and failure to warn in a landmark case that could set the precedent for thousands of trials to come. The jury also deciding that both companies acted in malice, oppression or fraud. That brings the total damages to an amount of $6 million. That's for both punitive and compensatory damages with Meta to pay a total of $4.2 million and YouTube to pay $1.8 million.

[Joe Getty]

First of all, those are amounts of money, but it does open the door to suing the pants off of these big companies because of their malice, suppression and fraud. And the finding that Meta's apps and Google's YouTube were deliberately built to be addictive. Yeah, every product is built to make

[Jack Armstrong]

you use it as much addictive.

[Joe Getty]

The NBA tries to make it as watchable as possible, hoping you'll watch every game and never stop. And lays potato chips tries to make it so you can't stop eating them and that there's endless examples. So I just don't understand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and that's, that's sloppy journalism to me. I mean, it's like saying, why did you leave your wife? Well, because she's a biatch. Oh, okay. No, no, no. You've got to define that term. You, that's actually begging the question. That is, you know, pretending that the very good, you know, your answer is an answer. It's not an answer. Well, why did they sue? Why'd they win the suit? Because it's addictive.

[Joe Getty]

Specifically citing the endless scrolling on Instagram, which, you know, if you've ever used Instagram, it just keeps giving you interesting stuff. So does YouTube. How's that illegal? I mean, or, or something you should be embarrassed about.

[Jack Armstrong]

And again, we hate these companies, both of us, and what they do and their product. And it's bad for you and you shouldn't take them in. But likewise, Cheetos.

[Joe Getty]

Let's hear some more of the reporting and then we'll throw in our $0.02

[News Reporter]

matter responding, quote, we respectfully disagree with the verdict and will appeal. Teen mental health is profoundly complex and cannot be linked to a single app. With a Google spokesperson saying, we disagree with the verdict and plan to appeal this case misunderstands YouTube, which is a responsibly built streaming platform, not a social media site.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I don't, I don't believe, I don't know if any companies are really responsible. They're, they're, they're, they're, they're objective. In fact, they're legal requirement is to maximize profit. So the morality of it within the law is all they got to do.

[Jack Armstrong]

YouTube making an interesting point there. Even if you're right about all this, we don't do that really. We just have videos.

[Joe Getty]

People.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll see you what you like.

[Joe Getty]

Prior to this trial. I didn't, I didn't know YouTube was a social media company. I don't get how it is, but I guess we've expanded the term from what we used to usually mean when we said social media company. One more clip and then we'll talk. We've sent a message with this that you will be held accountable for the features regardless of whether the children are getting sent pornographic pictures, regardless of whether they're being sexploitated, Regardless of those types of issues, Just because of the features alone that drive addiction, these companies can be held accountable. I don't know if that guy was setting himself up for his next trial because that's not what this particular woman was complaining about was not sex exploitation and that sort of stuff. It was just, it, it ruined her mental health. To spend 16 hours a day on Instagram. Yeah, it would ruin anybody's mental health to do that. There's a whole bunch of things I might have done all day long that would have been really bad for me when I was a kid if my parents would let me. But that lawyer there, I think it was the female lawyer, this guy's counterpart, the winning side female lawyer said it's time to stop blaming the parents. I disagree wholeheartedly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my gosh. Yeah. So you posed kind of a hypothetical or rhetorical question. I don't know if this guy's just setting himself up for his next trial. That is 100% what's happening here. Here are a couple of headlines for you. Do back to back Courtroom losses herald Meta's big tobacco moment. Well, it'll be similar. And the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, the social Media shakedown begins. The verdict against Meta and YouTube is a victory for the plaintiff's bar. Not for children or. The $6 million verdict against the two companies is the first of more than 3,000 lawsuits pending in California courts. That's only the state of Cal unicornia. 3,000 lawsuits that seek to hold social media companies liable for the travails of young people, school districts and more than 40 states. Attorneys General have also sued for damages to compensate for social programs allegedly caused by the platforms. Michael Name name a big industry that makes a lot of money. Anyone you want, anything pops to mind. Sports. Sports absolutely. Can come up with. Well, there are all sorts of different ways people sue. Stadiums, for instance, phony, you know, I got hit with a beer can lawsuits or, you know, the roar of the crowd hurt my ears. And. And it's all a. Mostly a plea to, hey, write me a big check and this can go away. That's how plaintiff's attorneys make money. They don't make money bravely going to trial and dueling it out in court like Clarence Darrow or a TV lawyer. These guys did. But it's mostly just getting settlements. It's nuisance lawsuits and then the occasional getting in front of a jury and convincing a dozen soft heads that the big Goliath, maybe, maybe it wasn't really their fault, but they've got unlimited money and this poor pathetic person over here has nothing. And she's a confused girl. And the rest of it. Let's give her a few bucks. I mean, because it is kind of addictive, isn't it?

[Joe Getty]

I mean, that's.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's all it takes in a civil trial. And I hate these companies. I hate social media. I think they're terrible for adults and worse for children, but I don't think

[Joe Getty]

this is justice, boy. And then anytime somebody gets money because a company didn't warn you that something bad could happen, that's what makes the one, the price of everything higher. And two, stupid stickers on ladders and everything else. Caution, you falling off this could be a danger, you know. Freaking kidding. But so apparently you got to put on there. If your kid watches Instagram 16 hours a day might not be good for him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. And this leads absolutely directly, as you've pointed out through the years to kids are not allowed to run on the playground because of liability concerns. That is a diseased society. That's not an inconvenience. That's psychosis.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I hate Zuckerberg, I hate Google. But this is not gonna do anything good for the Culture or for society.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, one more quick semi legal point and then I want to hit a Supreme Court case that just happened. Where is it? Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency act protects Internet platforms from being held liable for harm caused by user generated content. But plaintiffs are trying to dodge that law by arguing that the platforms were negligent in how designed their site. They claim that features like so called infinite scrolling and like buttons, not user posts per se harm children. Whether this theory trumps section 230 will be the main issue on appeal. And the platforms have a pretty strong case. So who knows.

[Joe Getty]

Something interesting analysis that came across that something they did. Let me see if I can find that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because I thought, well while you're looking for that. Oh, I was going to say I could hit that Supreme Court case real quickly.

[Joe Getty]

The verdict validated the plaintiff's legal strategy of targeting how the platforms were designed rather than the content on them. Which sidesteps the usual Section 230 protections that have historically shielded social media companies. So that's why they went specifically with the infinite scrolling and like buttons and stayed away from the content to not get into that area, which was pretty clever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interestingly enough, in a 9, 0 decision yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled in Cox Communications Incorporated versus Sony Music Entertainment that Internet providers such as Cox cannot be held liable for copyright infringement by users of their Internet services. The decision overturned a previous federal appeals court ruling. Writing for the seven justice majority opinion. That's funny, it just said 9o decision. Maybe there was. Oh, there were concurrences that had a little different reasoning. I get it. Anyway, Justice Clarence Thomas said that legal precedent holds that companies cannot be found liable for copyright infringement for merely providing service to the general public with the knowledge that it will be used by some to infringe copyrights. Clearly. But Anyway, that was a 90 ruling that Listen, just providing the service doesn't make you liable for everything that happens on it. So this will be an interesting wrestling match this. It's got to go up to some pretty high appeals courts though and maybe the supes in one way or another to stop just an avalanche of lawsuits against tech companies because their pockets are so deep. Oh, I didn't explain why I asked Michael to give me an example of an industry that makes a lot of money. It was simply that in plaintiffs attorneys show me the show me the man. I will show find you the crime or show you the crime as the Bolsheviks used to say. Show me the deep pockets. I will find the reason to sue them, say plaintiff's attorneys. They're creative people, they're smart people. They see somebody with a lot of money, they will figure out what to sue them for and then make dramatic speeches about the injustice and the exploitation. What? Cruel, malicious and fraudulent. Hell, I try to get that done by noon. But yeah, they make glorious speeches to soft headed juries about the malevolence of the big giant. Goliath versus David. That's how it works.

[Joe Getty]

Malice oppression or fraud.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've been malicious and oppressive so far today, but I don't think I've defrauded anybody. Michael, you had a point. Yeah. My prediction is that every website, every social media will now have a warning at some point just to protect themselves before you got to click on it before you can get in, you know.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Which will accomplish anyone, Anyone? Freaking nothing. Freaking nothing. It will accomplish nothing.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's like the whiskey company with please drink responsibly right to remove themselves for liability. Oh, for God's sake.

[Joe Getty]

When I heard this verdict came down and I was slapping my forehead as I on a walk or something at the gym, I guess, and I was thinking of other examples because making your

[Jack Armstrong]

product

[Joe Getty]

as appealing as possible is the whole every product that exists that what you do, you want people to only use this product and never stop using this product.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if you could make, if it

[Joe Getty]

made financial sense for Lays to make an endless bag of chips, you can never get to the bottom, would they be on the hook for something? Because similar to the infinite scrolling, I can't come up with any other examples that make any sense.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've got to put aside my lust for that idea.

[Joe Getty]

I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

And my trying to figure out how that would happen. But that would be lay's fault if

[Joe Getty]

I just sat there and ate myself into a coma.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I just. Again, this is a social issue, not a legal one. People need to understand what's good for them and what's bad for them and do the things that are good for you and don't do the things that are bad for you.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Henson, see if you can find specifically, I'm pretty sure it was the lawyer, the female lawyer who said the, you know, the time for blaming parents is over and all that sort of stuff because that one particularly hit me hard.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that's again, that is a. An argument to make her more money, period.

[Joe Getty]

What parents agree with that? If you're on a parent and you agree with that that it's on Google or Zuckerberg. If your kids spend 16 hours a day on that and not on you. Who who agrees with that?

[Jack Armstrong]

You're a bad parent. You suck. Send your children to me. I will raise them.

[Joe Getty]

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National Cheesesteak Day, employees at the Philadelphia airport attempted to break a Guinness World record yesterday by lining up nearly 1300 sandwiches. Awesome. Said everyone waiting in the security line. What do they.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, good for them.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's awesome.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of sandwiches, I'm going to review the big arch from McDonald's in a few moments. I want to tell you this, this

[Jack Armstrong]

is a very interesting burger product.

[Joe Getty]

Like the CEO, how do you even attack this?

[Jack Armstrong]

Look at the, look at the seeds

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coming up, brand new Fox poll on people's attitudes toward the war in Iran and then some new news of where we are with the war in Iran

[Jack Armstrong]

and Trump's big threat, including the fact that I think the war in Iran is far, far more important than most people realize for far reaching century long reasons.

[Joe Getty]

So yeah, if you're online at all, you're aware that there was a minor flap of no importance a couple of weeks ago when the CEO of McDonald's put out a video with their new sandwich. Their first like launch of a big new product in many, many, many years. The Big Arch. And he looked like he had never eaten fast food before or how to eat fast food. He took a tiny nibble of it. It was quite mockable. And then the CEOs of every other company put out pretty good videos of them, like appearing to really enjoy their products. And I mean every other company I saw a montage last night is like Carl's Jr. And Jack in the box and the, the CEO from Costco eating

[Jack Armstrong]

a hot dog and just everybody's everybody. Yeah, Burger King, the guy from McDonald's.

[Joe Getty]

One of the reasons maybe he took a nibble of it and put it back down is it's freaking awful.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh no.

[Joe Getty]

And I love McDonald's I love everything at McDonald's. I don't think that I've ever had anything at McDonald's I didn't love. Henry and I both ate part of it and went and ordered other food.

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

Honest to God.

[Jack Armstrong]

What was wrong with it?

[Joe Getty]

It was not. It was not even a situation where it's, you know, I won't get it again, but I'll finish it. No, Nope, I'm not finishing this. I'm gonna go get two cheeseburgers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, McDonald's burgers don't taste like burgers. Did this taste like a burger and it threw you off or what?

[Joe Getty]

No. I don't know what it tasted like. We couldn't nail it down. It just. We. We just found it an unpleasant flavor. It starts with this. Notice this on the screen. And I only tried one just so I could talk about it on the show since it got so much attention. A Big Mac, which is Henry's go to is 590 calories. Just the sandwich. Not fries, drink. Just the sandwich is 590. 90 calories, which is not h. A sandwich if you put a bunch of stuff on it. Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you're taking in a couple, two, three thousand bucks or calories a day. Growing voice or no, that's no big deal.

[Joe Getty]

The big arch is 10, 20. Dang near double the calories of a Big Mac. And I don't know what they jam in there to double the calories of a Big Mac, but I did not enjoy it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Funny. I just got a text from a good friend who, you know, who said, I'm looking forward to Jack's review because I had it and it was really good.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. You know, to each their own. But Henry and I, neither one of us even finished the sandwich.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. That's a stunning development.

[Joe Getty]

Possible they made it wrong. You know, they might be new to making it. They did.

[Jack Armstrong]

Something's Pre packaged in McDonald's, though I

[Joe Getty]

have no idea what's going on back there. Yeah, my McDonald's I go to because I'm in California or the minimum wage for fast food workers are $20 pretty much. You don't see a human being because they've driven human beings out of the McDonald's. Everything is a computer, touchscreen and all that sort of stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

The response from my friend to the latest couple sentences was, never mind. He's full of crap. So there you go. Oh, boy. Oh, wow. Okay, Super. I don't eat fast food because I'm better than you, but nobody. I am tempted to try it just out of curiosity.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody should ever eat a sandwich that's a thousand calories.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think that's, that's, that's big. It's a big dinner. Yeah. Does that have lettuce on it so I can pretend I had a salad? Kind of. Sort of. Yeah. There you go.

[Joe Getty]

Trump with a heck of a truth social post with a warning to Iran. Look, you're running out of time. I'm serious here. He can't get their attention and they're gonna find out and we're gonna be

[Jack Armstrong]

in deep and why we should all care a hell of a lot more about this.

[Joe Getty]

Okay? And don't base it all on whether gas prices are good or not. That's probably

[Jack Armstrong]

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[White House Press Secretary]

to accept the reality of the current moment, President Trump will ensure they are hit harder than they have ever been hit before. President Trump dud is not bluff and he is prepared to unleash hell, that

[Military Analyst]

is if ceasefire negotiations with Iran prove unsuccessful. White House press secretary Caroline Levitt did not elaborate on a possible 15 point peace plan drawn by the US and cautioned that early reports of the plan weren't entirely factual. According to Iranian state run media, a US Proposal has been rejected and countered with five specific conditions, including Iranian sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz, a vital shipping passage for much of the world's oil supply.

[Joe Getty]

So there's a lot here. Just a couple hours ago, Trump put out a truth social that included saying Iran better get serious soon before it's too late. Because once that happens, there's no turning back and it won't be pretty. That's with all the, you know, 82nd Airborne and Marines, everybody headed there. The President's rant came as Axios reported that military officials are prepping a massive bombing campaign. What's a massive bombing campaign based on what we've already seen?

[Jack Armstrong]

Stay tuned.

[Joe Getty]

If talks go nowhere and we're ready readying four primary options that Trump could choose from. Those options reportedly include invading or blockading Iran's oil export export hub of Carg island, seizing Laric island, which I hadn't heard of, which Tehran uses a, as a military outpost to control the Strait of Hormuz, seizing three other islands. So that would bring you to a total of, of five islands we would be taking near the western entrance of the strait that are controlled by Iran but claimed by the UAE and stopping or seizing ships sending Iranian oil through the strait, choking off Iran's economic lifeline. The President could also order special forces to secure highly enriched uranium buried at three nuclear facilities hit by the US this past June. Meanwhile, you know, a lot of your late night comics, mainstream media and you know, people are assuming Trump is a former CIA chief, John Brennan. No, I believe Trump is completely making this up, that we got negotiations going on. Well, yesterday the Pakistani foreign minister confirmed that indirect talks are going on between the US and Iran mediated by the government of Pakistan as well as Egypt, Turkey and other countries. Reports circulated this week that J.D. vance could be going to Pakistan this coming weekend to seal a ceasefire deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's a question for you, a little tangent. Little. So Iran's five point counter proposal included, they own the Straits of Hormuz and can charge whatever tolls they want. The US closed all of its bases in the region and I can't remember,

[Joe Getty]

we pay reparations for the damage done,

[Jack Armstrong]

rebuild everything, plus penalties. Yeah, it's just utterly farcical. Here's the question. What are they doing? What is the point of that? Is that the bringing on the 12th Mahdi, praying for a cataclysm, praying for the end of times, hoping that that will rally the Muslim world, Something, something like that? Are they trolling?

[Joe Getty]

That's a high level troll, man.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, I mean seriously, if Hitler came out of the bunker there in the last days and said, all right, here are my demands, you all become Nazis, you rebuild Berlin, you declare me the Fuhrer of America too. And I don't know what, what else?

[Joe Getty]

Brand new German Shepherds and Eva Brown

[Jack Armstrong]

gets a nice, gets a nice condo in Miami. I mean, what, what?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't get this. This is odd.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's probably why Trump said at the beginning of that post the Iranian negotiators are very different and strange. Yeah, he's probably looking at him kind of like you just said, like you have zero bargaining position. What are you talking about? I guess the, some of y' all would say they have a lot of bargaining position. They've closed down the straight of Hormuz, 20% of the oil traffic in the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you're overreacting but they're not going

[Joe Getty]

to be able to hold on to it. We can and will take it. It just that's why Trump's saying if you don't do something now, it's going to be too late. We're just going to completely take over the whole thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

The polling is not super great. I want to get into that as kind of a precursor for my big, big, big topic, which we'll do next segment if we can break semi on time. Give me 42, would you, Michael?

[Military Analyst]

The 82nd Airborne Division, they're typically deployed at the beginning of conflicts. So does the White House consider this conflict as ramping up or is it changing shape?

[White House Press Secretary]

Ms. As I said at the beginning of my REM are meeting our goals of Operation Epic Fury expeditiously. The president likes to maintain options at his disposal.

[Jack Armstrong]

One of the headlines today is Trump tells aides he wants speedy end to Iran war. Trump is mercurial and mercurial is not great war leadership. And we'll have to see where that goes.

[Joe Getty]

Well, unless he's trying to keep him guessing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right, fair enough. And part of the reason that if that's sincere he's saying that is in the next clip.

[Military Analyst]

According to brand new Fox News polling, 58% of registered voters oppose current U.S. military action in Iran, with 44% feeling that the action will make the U.S. less safe in the long run.

[Joe Getty]

I don't understand how it makes us less safe, but the number that's apparently bothering the Trump crowd the most is independence. So only 42% approval for the war, 12% Democrats, 77% of Republicans. But the independents, 28% approval for the war among independents.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got to do a better job of making the case.

[Joe Getty]

Well, he's made hardly any effort to make the case. Yeah, including, and this is really extraordinary, the State of the Union address was four days before we launched this attack and he didn't really say anything about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, I get, I'll buy the element of surprise argument for that one. But I mean, his speechwriters, surely they can come up with an eloquent version of, well, maybe what I'm about to say next segment. But you know, the messaging from this White House is terrible. It is almost always terrible.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it ultimately not going to make any difference what the poll numbers were right now at the end of this deal, if Iran ends up in a better place, history will judge it as

[Jack Armstrong]

a good thing unless the administration chickens out before they get that good thing done because of the poll numbers.

[Joe Getty]

That would be a bad result.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. I mean, if, if the Republican Party panics over the prospects at the midterms and, and we're compelled to, you know, leave the hornet's nest rolling around on the ground, that would be a very bad thing.

[Joe Getty]

There is another thing I had I wanted to jam in before we take a break so you can get to your Joe's main big point or whatever you're going to call it.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not a good name, but it might have to do.

[Joe Getty]

There is some reporting that the Pentagon is looking at stopping the flow of arms to Ukraine to turn our attention toward the Middle east, which obviously would be bad for Ukraine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, there's a lot of punditry about how China is thinking, wow, now we got to go now about the fact

[Joe Getty]

that Europe plays no role in any of this, including the war in their own backyard. They don't do anything for that. Them do anything for the straight Hormuz where they get their oil. They're just, they're just sideline players.

[Jack Armstrong]

Flabby, useless socialists with nice architecture. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Who like to get together and have meetings.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, the big big picture coming up next. Stay tuned. Armstrong and Getty.

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Major celebrity rock star death- crofts of seals and Crofts has died at the age of 84.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ancient musician passes away. Nobody cares. What are we CBS News now? Hansen Stop it. Stop it.

[Joe Getty]

Major rock star Good Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tuneful fellas though. So I want to play for you Lena Nasaiba, who is the foreign minister for the United Arab Emirates. You know them as the uae. She was on Special Report with Brett Baer last night and it was striking.

[Lena Nasaiba (UAE Foreign Minister)]

First clip MICHAEL well, first first of all, Brett, what happens in the Gulf clearly doesn't stay in the Gulf. So Iran's attack on Gulf allies of the United States and Jordan is an attack on the entire world and the world economy, including its closure of the Straits of Hormuz. Let's not forget that a fifth of the world's oil and gas goes through the straits of Hormuz. 30% of its fertilizers for food production and harvest goes through the Straits of hormones moves almost every product known to every global supply chain coming from the Gulf goes through the Straits of Hormuz. So effectively Iran is trying to give the global economy a heart attack. We should not allow Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism, to set the global price for food and gas.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not just terrorism, Islamic terrorism. The UAE hates Iran. Saudi Arabia hates Iran. Those countries and several others, they are through kowtowing to their fanatical minorities. It's becoming more and more clear. I loved unless you have a comment right there, Jack, I Love this next clip 51B Michael, the question is why? And I'm sorry, so we don't have Brett's questions, which really makes this difficult because I haven't memorized all of them in order. He asks why is Iran attacking its neighbors in the Gulf, including heavily, heavily, heavily, the uae?

[Lena Nasaiba (UAE Foreign Minister)]

The question is why? And I think the answer is because we are an idea that threatens Iran, that threatens this regime. Because we are open, we are progressive, we are tolerant, we're a vibrant economy. And what have they done for their people with the resources that they have? They sit across three continents just the same way we do. They have inflation, their currency is in free fall. They had a spate of killing protesters in January. This is a really ruthless regime and President Trump is right to hold it to account.

[Jack Armstrong]

Today she makes the case that they lie about everything. And then 53 Finally, Michael, the United

[Lena Nasaiba (UAE Foreign Minister)]

States does not have to bear this burden alone. The NATO Secretary General came out with a very strong statement supporting President Trump's efforts with partners in Europe to keep the Straits of Hormuz open. World leaders over 30 have signed a statement to that effect on Saturday and more are joining this week. So they are committing resources to keeping the Straits of Hormuz open. So this is not just a US Problem, this is a global problem. And that is the light at the end of the tunnel.

[Joe Getty]

It sure be nice if any mainstream news outlets would have some voice like her on to make that case as opposed to make it seem like it's Trump's crazy wacky on his own lark.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I just read, I think it was in the New York Times, one of their feature articles was the War in Iran which Trump started. Yeah, no kidding. For what it's worth, an attractive middle aged woman, obviously very, very well spoken, uncovered hair and a prominent part of that regime, it's the new Middle East. So a couple of things. Again, the headline is, Trump tells aides he wants speedy end to Iran war. I sure as hell hope that urge goes away. I came across two great pieces of thinking I really liked. One was from Matthew Kroenig, Twilight of the Rogue States. And he talks about great quote. In 1993, James Woolsey, who was Bill Clinton's nominee to direct the CIA, said in his confirmation hearing, we have slain a large dragon, but we now live in a jungle filled with a bewildering variety of poisonous snakes. Hmm. I'm a big fan of a good metaphor, and that's a good one. The US Faced new enemies, regional autocratic powers pursuing weapons of mass destruction, sponsoring terrorism, abusing human rights and flouting international law. And then he goes through the list of presidents who have all talked about these regimes. But then the 90s and 2000s brought a long list of rogues. Milosevic in Serbia, Saddam Hussein, Moammar Gaddafi, the Kim regime in North Korea, Assad in Syria, Omar Al Bashir in Sudan, Communists in Cuba, the Chavistas in Venezuela, the Islamic Republic of Iran. And since then, he writes, the US has maintained a steady, if haphazard, de facto campaign of toppling anti American dictators. And he writes about how well it's gone once you get past some of the chaos. And that's with all due respect to the idiotic, the unspeakably idiotic policies in Iraq by the Bush administration. Contrary to the popular notion that America's post Cold War grand strategy was a failure, Washington has shown a knack for toppling dictators. And he says some consider these operations failures because they left chaos in their wake. But that misses the point. For years, these rogues dominated the President's daily intelligence briefs. Now that they are defanged, these countries remaining afflictions don't threaten Americans or occupy the attention of senior US national security officials, at least not usually. North Korea is the exception that proves the rule. Bill Clinton missed an opportunity to strike it in 94, and now the regime is a major nuclear power. So I think that that makes the point pretty well that you can't be too afraid of breaking some eggs. But then this one, really, it's written by a fellow named Sadhanand Dum, or Dume. He is a Muslim fellow and he wrote a piece in the journal opinion section. Muslims win if Iran's regime loses. A defeat for the mullahs would yield benefits that would ripple across the globe. And you know me, my jihad against Jihad. The end of the Islamic revolutionary regime in Iran wouldn't be good news only for the US and Israel. A defeat for the Ayatollahs would also benefit the world's 2 billion Muslims. It would extinguish a radical experiment with an ugly shadow stretching from Lebanon to Indonesia. And he goes into the history of the 1979 Revolution and the tortures and killings and bombings and then murders of our Marines and all sorts of folks. I like this paragraph. In 89, Khomeini condemned British Indian author Salman Rushdie to death for writing a novel that offended orthodox Islamic sensibilities. The message Muslim clerics thousands of miles away would decide the boundaries of free speech in the West. Then he talks about the attack and how it was carried out years and years later. The death to America, death to Israel. Chants on Iranian streets. The mullahs established a network of terrorist proxies spanning Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Lebanon. Became the prime sponsors of the Israel focused terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Iranian proxies killed or maimed thousands of US servicemen in Iraq with roadside bombs. The regime sponsored terrorist attacks in Argentina, Bulgaria and Germany, among other places. Then he gets into their blood soaked record oppression of women, artists, intellectuals, gays, everybody. We're running a little short on time. But he explains that most Muslims did not have the Mullah's philosophy that signaled to Islamists everywhere, Shiite and Sunni, that the quest to impose God's law or Sharia on earth wasn't a fantasy but a realistic goal. Because for years established clerics had shunned the idea of the clerics running the world. They thought it was inappropriate. It was a terrible idea. But then Iran came along and convinced millions, billions of people, a billion people around the world, that no, no, no, no, actually, yeah, the clerics should run absolutely everything. They are to a huge extent, along with some Saudi wackadoos, they're the engineers of Islamic extremism around the world. We've got to get rid of them practically, no matter what it costs.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but guys, gas is up a dollar.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well played. Well played.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. It's either a good idea, it's not, and it can't be based around whether or not gas goes up a couple of bucks for a short period of time.

[Jack Armstrong]

And if you're really into this like we are, it's notable. He points out that Ali Khamenei, who we just blew the beard off the second Ayatollah. He translated the works of complete wackadoodle fundamentalist ISIS and Al Qaeda, inspiring Muslim Brotherhood fundamentalist Saeed Khatub, who is an Egyptian. He translated that hardcore Sunni guy's writings from Arabic to Persian so all the Shiites in in Iran could learn his philosophy. Man, they are the engine to a large extent of extremist Islam.

[Joe Getty]

I'll have to get to this comedian. It's got a Netflix special. Netflix made him take his Muslim joke out of his routine and the whole conversation about that is really interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've got another great example of that. I'm telling you, Islam versus the radical Islam versus The west is the biggest challenge on earth and if you back

[Joe Getty]

down, you get more of it. Yup, it's just the way it works with any bully. We got a lot more if you missed a segment of the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand

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