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Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Patrick Mahomes out for the season.
Jack Armstrong
Mahomes suffering that torn ACL in the.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Loss to the Chargers. Kansas City now out of playoff contention.
Jack Armstrong
Mahomes is expected to need surgery, but.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
The Chiefs head coach Andy Reid now says the Mahomes will get a Second opinion before any surgery. After a decade of winning the division every year and showing up in the super bowl practically every year, the Kansas City Chiefs are done. Some of you are excited about that. Some of you are not. The casual fan. You. So many casual fans and Chiefs clothes that I've seen around the country because they've been the number one team for so long, right? But their big star really, really hurt. God, they gotta be almost happy to have a break. They've got to be. After going deep in the playoffs that many years in a row. You've. I mean, they played like an extra two seasons or something like that over teams that weren't in the playoffs. You got to be worn out.
Jack Armstrong
I'm sure as guys who are fanatically competitive, they're disappointed, but when they're relaxing, watching football on the TV with families and playing golf with buddies and no longer getting a crap beat out of them, they might think, this isn't so bad.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I've always thought one of the kind of weird things that happened that allowed Michael Jordan to have that six championship run was he took a break in the middle. You don't usually get to do that where you're not, you know, playing an extra half a season every year and grinding yourself down and having to focus so much. You get a break, sabbatical, come back and try it again.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Huh? If Patrick Mahomes is hurt, hurt like we'll never be the same. That'd be a really big deal for the league.
Jack Armstrong
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. It amazes me how guys bounce back from the serious tendon tears, knee, knee problems, knee surgeries, that sort of thing. I think I would be terrified for the rest of my life of taking the wrong step. And these guys are eluding behemoths and getting smashed into. But you see it over and over again. I wish him well. He seems like a really nice young man eluding behemoth.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Yeah, exactly. Should we have a little clip of White Christmas now? Yeah, we have a little, little clip. Cool. I'm excited about that Christmas legally, that's how much we can play.
Jack Armstrong
For rules having to do with licensing and podcasts and that sort of thing. But anyway, I came across an absolutely wonderful, incredibly moving bit of journalism writing, thinking about that song, which is the top selling single of all time and.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
It'S 1947, is that correct?
Jack Armstrong
No, it is not, actually, but that's kind of part of the story. It was recorded in 1940 as part of the music for Holiday Inn and.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
The, the Holiday in the hotel?
Jack Armstrong
No, it's. No, that's the name of the movie. I think the hotel chain came afterward.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Okay.
Jack Armstrong
Interesting. I don't know. Oh, my God. It's my wife's favorite movie. Really? I don't.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I don't. I don't know if I've ever even heard of Holiday.
Jack Armstrong
It's practically on a loop during the holiday season.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
No kidding. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Anyway, so it's. It's one of the several popular songs from that movie, but by the time the Christmas season. The movie came out in 1942 because of production delays and that sort of thing. But anyway, it came out in 1942, and what modern folks don't realize is that much like the song I'll Be Home for Christmas, the fame and the emotional weight of the song had everything to do with World War II. We had hundreds of thousands of guys overseas, and the song and the thoughts of snowy treetops and carefree children were an incredible comfort, kind of a bittersweet comfort to the guys fighting overseas. Servicemen requested it again and again and again on Armed Forces Radio, and it was the top selling song of the year in 1942. And then in a 2016 article.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Howard.
Jack Armstrong
Crosby, who was Bing Crosby's nephew, told a story about Bing. He said, I once asked Bing about the most difficult thing he had ever had to do during his entertainment career. He said, in December 1944, he was in a USO show with Bob Hope and the Andrews Sisters. They did an outdoor show in northern France. At the end of the show, he had to stand there and sing White Christmas with a hundred GIs and tears without breaking down himself. And of course, a lot of those boys were killed in the Battle of the Bulge a few days later.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Oof.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Oof. And that feeling of longing for home and the people at home longing for their men overseas and women, in some cases nurses, and that sort of thing was part of why that song had such enormous weight for people emotionally and why, you know, it's also just a beautiful, beautiful song. Well, it must be one of the reasons it's as huge as it is.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Obviously it is because it's still very popular to hear around Christmas time. And we ain't thinking about World War II when we're hearing it. Right when I heard it for the first time.
Jack Armstrong
Well, interestingly, final note on this, because of the way records were manufactured back in the day, the song became so popular after the war that Decca Records wore out the original master tape by 1947 and summoned Bing to re record the version which is the one we know and love today.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Okay. So that's why when I played it off Apple music the other day, it said 1947. They had to re record it.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, exactly.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Wonder how similar it is to the original.
Jack Armstrong
Substantially, I would guess. I don't imagine they'd mess with it, but that's a good question. I don't know. If I were in charge of deck of Records, I'd say I want the same freaking guys playing violin. Don't change anything.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
They wore out the original.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Yeah. They re released it so many times. White Christmas is available to stream on Amazon Prime. Amazon soon to be in charge of everything on earth. That's Amazon. Anyway. Yeah. I remember hearing years ago about I'll be home for Christmas, which, you know, most people think of as, oh, yeah, I want to drive back to Kansas or whatever and see the folks. No, my God, it was. It was about being in a foxhole and wanting to live long enough to be home for Christmas. I'll be home for Christmas, if only in my dreams. That was all about the troops.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I've been doing like, probably a lot of people are doing where you just kind of get a general Spotify or Apple music or Iheart music or whatever. You're using Christmas music list and it gives you. And it's got everything from bing Crosby in 47 singing White Christmas to Ariana Grande singing some pop Christmas song now and everything in between. And. And they vary a lot. And I like the older classics. Classics. It's not just because I'm old. I mean, I like the stuff that was all recorded before I was born mostly.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
As opposed to anything more modern, but that's just me.
Jack Armstrong
I'd rather have a reindeer gourmet in my chestnuts than hear the latest Ariana Grande Christmas song. Please. Well, give me Andy Williams. Give me Bing. Give me the Dean Martin.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Has that Mariah Carey song made it to the standard list yet? Because that came out a long time ago and that's a very, very big hit for Christmas music.
Jack Armstrong
So I'm the present.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Yeah. I keep hearing the. What was the one where they raised money for starving kids in Africa? That one. I keep hearing that a lot.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Do they know It's Christmas? Do they know It's Christmas by Band Aid?
Jack Armstrong
It's catchy tune.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
It is a very catchy tune. And the cause kind of like came and went quickly. But it's very catchy Christmas song.
Jack Armstrong
It's actually. The lyrics are very dopey if you listen to them because they completely ignore the fact that a they may be vaguely aware that it's Christmas, but most of them are Muslims.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
So.
Jack Armstrong
Right.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Do they know it's Christmas time at all? They're Muslim. They're starving Muslims.
Jack Armstrong
They're not really. The issue isn't that they're starving, it's that they're Muslims. With all due respect to Bono and members of various groovy groups back in the day. Wham, whatever. It's Huey Lewis who has a lovely turn in it. Cindy Lauper at all. But their hearts were in the right place. They're trying to do a good thing.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Money for starving people.
Jack Armstrong
What?
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Come on.
Jack Armstrong
But again, the lyrics kind of dumb.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know if that was pointed.
Jack Armstrong
Out at the time.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I don't think it was. We acted like everybody in Africa who's starving had a Christmas tree up, wishing they had food.
Jack Armstrong
Part of that was true.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Half of that was true. That was true. The other half, not so much. Why are we raising money for the Scouts this week? Well, I'll explain that in a little bit and see where we are. We have a gender. Is it a gender bending madness we got this hour?
Jack Armstrong
Yes, sir. Gender bending madness Update at the bottom of the hour. Oh, it's a blockbuster. It explains so much of the social contagion of adolescents identifying as transgender and the nightmare of then activist adults mutilating them because they're momentarily confused. I mean, there ought to be trials for this and soon.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Oh, the jobs numbers are out too. We ought to touch on that. Maybe we'll get to that soon. Stay here.
Joe Getty
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Yo yo, how you doing? So the theory is this time of year we try to raise money for something good. And I know for me it's the idea that I'm spending a lot of money on myself and my kids and indulgence and that sort of stuff and so throw some money toward a little making the world a better place seems like a good idea. And we're trying to raise money for Scouting, hoping to raise a hundred thousand dollars. We got a bunch of texts yesterday from various people like this. Thank you for choosing to support Scouting. Two of my sons are Eagle Scouts and one is very close. Now my husband and I have committed to volunteering with Scouting from Tiger Scouting all the way up until now. Man, like a lot of things, band programs, youth sports, scouting. The way I'm seeing parents, moms and dads, the amount of time that they put into this, whether it's going on some of the camping trips or being at the meetings or running some of the various merit badges and stuff like that. No, of course for free. You know, you're all donating your time. Just tremendous amount of time involved. Very impressive. Anyway, I agree with your comments about how it Makes responsible little adults little by little over time with the program. My boys have been well prepared for interviewing for jobs and attending college. And I believe a large part of it is because of their scouting experience. And we got a lot of stuff about. Well, this one, for instance, the experience in being a good citizen, learning how to serve the community and help others, which I really, really like. And I mentioned since my son joined Scouting, I think it's the best thing that has happened in his life. And I've seen kids that were 16 years old that seem like they're 28 years old. And I feel like in the modern world I see the reverse. Most often I see 28 year olds who seem like they're 16.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. You know, and I don't want to go into this much. We've had some people express concern about certain changes in recent years at the Scouts and stuff, but a force for good, particularly in lives of young boys and young men. It's just indisputable that it is that and it's important and gives. It's so good for kids.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
How many organizations are still saying the Pledge of Allegiance and doing the flag ceremony, the US Flag and all that sort of stuff? Anyway, we're raising money. We're going to do an update here in a second. So we do the thing when we raise money where you can either.
Jack Armstrong
Can we explain why we're raising money to do what?
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Oh, right. So kid. More kids can join. So it costs some money to be in. It's going to be at least a couple of hundred dollars to get your kids signed up. And some people just decide, I can't afford that. And so this is basically scholarships to be. To be able to, you know, say, hey, we'll cover that Scouting and be able to say, hey, we'll cover that for a whole bunch of different kids so that they can get signed up and you know, get this leadership opportunities or learn the Pledge of Allegiance because they're not teaching to your school or whatever.
Jack Armstrong
Right. Instead of having them on the streets with the streets being their mentors. Not good.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
But we always do this thing where you can donate with your name. You can donate anonymously or you can come up with a funny name. For instance, Jack's wet sheets donated $260. I appreciate that.
Jack Armstrong
Was your comforter, technically, right?
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Gavin needs it more. 25 bucks. What is that like? It like? Yeah. Are you getting any like that kind of needs it more.
Jack Armstrong
What the hell is going on? No, I don't know either, Gavin.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
There's one more funny One I wanted to get to. Where did that go? Hip Anonymous. Kind of like the Hippopotamus, I guess. 100 bucks. Oh, our boss dropped 100 bucks. Thank you to our boss Steve. Thank you very much.
Jack Armstrong
Thanks Steve. Appreciate it.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Here's an update. Roll your little drum roll for us. Will you learn that? As they were training there in Dunkirk, World War I veteran Gladys, thank you for your service. 38, 118. There you go. $38,000. We're barely two days in if everybody's.
Jack Armstrong
Gonna help a lot of kids to have a lot of great experiences.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
We're exposed to a lot of people, a lot of stations all over the place. If you just go to armstrongandgetty.com 25 bucks. Come on, you're gonna spend that much when you go through the Starbucks drive through today. 25 bucks.
Jack Armstrong
50 bucks.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Something like that.
Jack Armstrong
Yet pittance. Oh, Armstrong and Yeti dot com. Donate now. The button's super easy.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I wonder to find. Had you heard any spin on the jobs numbers that are out today?
Jack Armstrong
I attempted to take some in. It's a full time job. Trying to understand the jobs numbers.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Yeah, the US added 64,000 jobs in November. The unemployment rate rose a little bit. It's 4.6%. It's the highest in four years. Fueling questions about America's economy. Underlying strength. All right. It's always every, every, all the numbers that come out every month are always fueling questions. Of course they are.
Jack Armstrong
Federal government employees employment shrank by 6,000 November adding to a massive loss of 162,000 federal jobs in October. Federal government employment is down by 271,000 since January. Yeah, I'm reminded of how enormous the federal government is.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Well, the adding of 64,000 jobs was ahead of the expectations, which I don't get that whole thing. But they were expecting 45 and they got 60 for. So there you go.
Jack Armstrong
But the unemployment rate rose more than expected. That's what I'm telling. That's what my, my little joke about a full time job. Overall, economists describe the current labor market as a low fire, low hire environment. That's good because it rhymes.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
That is true. They put a lot of work into making sure you got rhyming phrases or alliteration.
Jack Armstrong
Sure, alliteration is very important. Oh, that reminds me, we have a.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Pre show meeting tipping point.
Jack Armstrong
What? Oh boy. We had a pre show meeting where the. You know, I was, I was somewhat annoyed by the fact that the gender bending madness update which is coming up in just a couple of minutes and it's a blockbuster. Also has shares the word madness with a Campus Madness update and Katie decided or suggested Campus Chaos update.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I like that. That's a good.
Jack Armstrong
So that's the new name and it's got alliteration so that makes it more true.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Is that the way it works?
Jack Armstrong
Yes. Oh yeah. If it rhymes are right. Yeah. Everybody knows that. So anyway, we certainly hope you're gainfully employed if you'd like to be. And if you're not, we wish you well. Been there, done that, hated it.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
So the three big stories. They got a new lead in the search for the Brown University shooter. Okay, I think that is going to be turn out to be disappointingly, frustratingly mundane and just another kind of crazy adjacent angry person who decided to kill people. Those stories are horrifying. I don't know what we do about that. In the Rob Reiner story, his son is going to be charged with murder probably today. A couple murders. And the only greater significance I can see to that story is what do we do with drug addicts who are out there on the street? And we know they're drug addicts and they're dangerous and they, they're still doing the thing. What do we do with that crowd.
Jack Armstrong
If that young man couldn't be saved by compassion and rehab and money? What do we do right for the.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Average person on the street where you don't have even close to the resources to throw at him? That's the big question about the Rob Reiner thing. To me, that's what we should be discussing rather than his celebrity.
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I hope your Christmas is holly and jolly. I really do.
Jack Armstrong
Again, it rhymes so it's more true. That's what we've discovered. Hey, how about a gender Bending madness update? Oh, it's a blockbuster.
Joe Getty
I kept hearing about this thing called.
Jack Armstrong
They're loco.
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Jack Armstrong
Among sane people. The craze the trend feels like it's over, but man institutions are doubling down on the madness. There's all sorts of stuff to get to, so let's just dive right in. First of all, a trans identified male serving a 22 year sentence for the violent murder of his own mother was quietly transferred into a minimum security Illinois women's prison with a mother baby unit. John Wesley Finnegan, who began calling himself Hannah Dagny in 2014, approximately five years into his prison term, was transferred to the Kush Women's prison recently. Yes, a story that 10 years ago every human on earth would have said what that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Again, you got to undo that or I've heard before. Ten years from now they'll say it.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Or ten years ago, women's groups would have been marching over that sort of thing.
Jack Armstrong
Absolutely outraged. Another tidbit here, a shortish story. Then I'm gonna get to the main thing I wanted to get to, but a woman's group has been formed at Cambridge University. The Cambridge University Society of Women, an association for female students at the university, quote, providing a place for free speech, discussion and association among women. Here's the problem. They said, no women. Biologic biological sex is real and immutable. In other words, men who call themselves trans cannot become women, therefore cannot join the Cambridge University Society of Women. Within 48 hours of its founding, more than 30 other societies at Cambridge had signed a document denouncing it. This is in the present day, friends. So on. The universities in some governments, blue states, they are pushing this stuff hard. We need to push back. The groups who signed the agreement decried, quote, feminism without intersectionality as not effective, considerate or productive, and reiterated that the underside organizations, quote, are safe spaces for transgender and genderqueer students. Soon after that, a petition circulated on campus to ban the society completely. And the gal who founded it is an undergraduate who says where Unless you support what she called the omni cause of progressive dogma, you're in the intellectual minority claiming sex based rights and pointing to sex based oppression by extension. That was such a bad view to hold, she said, speaking of her experience in undergrad. Unbelievable. But here's the part I really wanted to get to about the social contagion of adolescent girls identifying as transgender or whatever, queer because. Because it was hot. It's hip. And then we pointed out the study that came out fairly recently. Over the past decade, the number of young Americans identifying as transgender or non binary rose sharply, then declined just as sharply, cut in half in the space of like two years.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
It was amazing.
Jack Armstrong
This pattern invites an obvious political story. Transgender identification fell out of fashion due to a cultural backlash or its lesser and or its lesser prominence in left wing politics. But there's another, more subtle explanation. The pattern, and this is the part that I found super interesting as we. All right, try to understand human beings. We're such a weird species. It's all about the dynamics of signaling. In a crowded social environment, human beings spend a surprising amount of time sending and decoding signals about who we are, what we value and where we stand. We've talked about this, Jack, a lot, you know, virtue signaling and tribal messaging and stuff like that. Most of these signals entail costs we are willing to bear, like time, money, social risk, sometimes even bodily alteration. And they mentioned various examples, various cultures. The central claim of signaling theory, which was developed independently in economics and evolutionary biology, interestingly enough, is that costly signals are a more reliable indicator of underlying traits or commitments than cheap ones. This is because cheap signals can be easily faked by those who don't possess the relevant traits. For example, and this is an animal example from, you know, evolutionary biology. The peacock grows colorful and elaborate plumage to signal to the peahen that it is capable of surviving despite being encumbered with such a handicap. Don't worry, I'll bring it home to human beings. So when it comes to gender, the same principle applies. Declaring an identity is a low cost signal to show that you're down with the group, that you're progressive, that you're woke. It costs you practically nothing, especially when it's a craze, as compared to, say, undertaking medical transition or changing your legal documentation or living in ways that carry social and professional risks. Individuals who incur those costs actually get the surgery, for instance, send stronger, hard to fake signals. Hence, when signaling environment changes, when too many others are sending that weak, easy to fake signal, the payoff shifts. You don't get any credit for it anymore. And so we see a fall in transgender identification. In other words, you're a 13 year old girl. You want to show you're down with the trans thing and the queer thing and you're no bigot and you're woke and you're modern and the rest of it, you say, yeah, I'm genderqueer, even though you have no sexual thoughts whatsoever, or maybe just you're an adolescent. But then when everybody's doing it, you don't get any credit for it anymore. And the only reason you're saying it is for the social credit. So you see a rate of transgender identification plunge in an impossibly short time. If it was all sincere.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I'm trying to think of an example of it on the right, because, you know, everybody's susceptible to the wanting to signal to their group, hey, I'm part of the group. What would be an example of like a difficult to do signal that shows I'm really down as opposed to a weak and, you know, driving a big truck? Is that one. I don't, I don't know what it would be.
Jack Armstrong
Well, that's a really good question. I would have to noodle that through for a While if anybody can come up with anything, drop us a text. 415295, KFTC or 4 1, or I'm sorry, a mailbag and armstrongetti.com so they've got a couple more examples. I think you'd probably get it at this point. The university degree is often less about the content of Shakespeare metaphysics than about demonstrating traits like intelligence, persistence, and conformity.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Hilarious that you suggested they teach. Teach Shakespeare anywhere, but I get your point.
Jack Armstrong
Right. Anyway, so. But that use. That was the conventional wisdom about a degree. You don't need that degree for this job, but the fact that you have the degree shows that you're reasonably bright, you're persistent, you stuck with it and finished it. And you can follow rules and get with a system.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
That is been my experience that graduate degree gets thrown around without it mattering really what the degree was in or anything like that. It's. You went to graduate school. You can use, you know, just quotes. Everything counts.
Jack Armstrong
Right? Right. But so then if degrees become a walk in the park with great inflation and you don't even have to show up to pat to class anymore, that that signal is. It's worthless now. So anyway, I thought that was a super interesting little melding of science and, and human behavior. Let's see one more. And I wish we had more time for this, but it's becoming absolutely undeniable. The link between transgenderism and autism, the number of autistic kids who are trying to figure out who they are, why they're not like everybody, why they don't belong. And as the parent of an autistic kid, I will tell you that being accepted is extremely important because they don't get that. They don't get acceptance because they are different, if you prefer the term neurodivergent. And so if someone offers them warm acceptance and you're one of us and we think you're cool, autistic kids will often leap at that.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Dang it, I didn't know that. That is something. So you got a kid, they're lonely.
Jack Armstrong
They're profoundly lonely, to put it frankly.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
You got a kid that's, you know, however far down the spectrum of autism, and you're dealing with this.
Jack Armstrong
Whoa, that's a lot. Well, and to my point, though, who will offer those lonely, alienated kids immediate, warm, enthusiastic acceptance if they agree with the party line? The intersectional crowd, the transgender crowd, the radical gender theory folks, and critical race theory.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
All of a sudden you got a group and friends and you're being cheered. Yeah, I can see why that'd be very appealing.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, it's unbelievable. And maybe we'll, we'll carve that one out and spend more time on it another time because it's super interesting. But then finally I wanted to get to this one. And this is from the extremely responsible Free Press. Winging it. What the gender doctors say in private in footage obtained by the Free Press, gender doctors acknowledge they perform life altering procedures on vulnerable youth with no supportive evidence. And they're proud of it. They are radical activists that want to erase the gender divisions. That's part of critical theory. If you go back to the origins of it in the, you know, Frantz Fanon and what's his name, Michel Foucault. They wanted to erase all binaries and all divisions between people. We'll get to some of these sickos and what they think and actually say behind closed doors afterward. From our friends at Omaha Steaks.
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Jack Armstrong
Skye was this person's name. Reported being asexual, never had sex, having no desire to have sex in the future. Indeed, sky did not want to feel any pleasurable sensation and hoped removal of all erogenous tissue would be possible.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Wow. That's a person with some serious issues.
Jack Armstrong
That is precisely right. And as this doctor writes in the Free Press, not long ago a patient like sky would have been given a psychological evaluation and offered mental health counseling. But in the evolving world of gender medicine, clinicians now want to help young people like sky achieve their gender goals and they go into nullification procedures and that they're not as accessible as they should be. And nullification being.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
There's a name for not wanting to be either. Nullification. That's the first time we've heard that term. We got to talk more about that coming up. Stay here.
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Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
So, wrapping up our conversation. So I was 100% aware obviously, of various surgeries. People get to be a different sex, you know, present, physically, whatever, how you want to look at it.
Jack Armstrong
I didn't know you can't change your sex.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I had not, not come across the word nullification, though, where people want to be neither. Like a Ken doll.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. They want to be completely non. A non sexual being, meaning neither male nor female. And that the number of those poor mentally ill people are growing in number. What do you have?
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
You gotta urinate out of something. Do you have a faucet? So.
Jack Armstrong
This person who's giving the speech said that when confronted with a patient like sky, who we're talking to, talking about existing research and standards of care are not enough to meet the needs of our patients. And we need to take it to the next level to really think about how we evolve and match the need of our patients as their needs are being expressed to us. And then the psychologist who is working with the young, confused young man, agreed and described doing just that. Here's where it gets sick. And here's my point. These people are such lunatic extremist activists, the psychologists.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Here's where it gets sick.
Jack Armstrong
Okay, we haven't gotten sick yet. Okay? Yeah, yeah, no kidding. The psychologist told the conference that, quote, it's important to reframe the role of the mental health person or the psychologist as a collaborator rather than a gatekeeper. That meant, she explained, making sure that patients with serious mental health problems, such as multiple personalities in psychosis, are not excluded from gender surgery just because the team is, quote, uncomfortable operating on them.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
That's the definition of the usually said as a negative phrase, the inmates are Running the asylum.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, right, right, right. This Mary Marsiglio. Mare Marsiglio was the name of the psychologist said that being a member of the surgical team provided the opportunity to help the patient navigate care. This is especially necessary when what is requested by the patient is a surgery that has not been performed before or is of higher risk.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
I would like you to cut off my foot. Well, I don't want to be a gatekeeper. You're in charge of your care. I'm just here to do what you ask.
Jack Armstrong
Even people with serious mental health problems like psychosis should not be excluded from gender surgery just because the team is uncomfortable operating on them and really has no idea what they're doing.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
People are so nuts. You've taken it so crazy far.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I know, I know. This is. This is beyond. This is so far beyond, you know, and these examples are obscene. But teaching kids to hate their country or that white people are responsible for all the evil in the world or whatever, this is mutilating children. I mean, it's not like people become convinced that they should have white guilt and therefore have their healthy breasts removed or their genitals altered or take puberty blockers that change their bodies for the rest of their lives. I mean, and this is Dr. Mengele stuff. Anyway, I'm sorry to end on such a troubling note, but it's a gender bending madness. Update.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
So earlier in the show, Joe had the breaking news of an article in the New York Times, Peter Baker and others talking to Susie Wiles, who is so close to Donald Trump. And she said a bunch of fairly shocking things about the President and other people in the White House. She has responded, and we can get into what she said again a little bit later if you want to, but.
Jack Armstrong
She'S the damn Chief of staff.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
She has responded, and she's been close to him for a long time. The article published early this morning is a disingenuously framed hit piece on me and the finest president, White House staff and cabinet in history. Significant context was disregarded, and much of what I and others said about the team and the president was left out of the article. So she's distancing herself from the article that she sat down for?
Jack Armstrong
I have no doubt that's true, at least partly.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
You have no doubt that it was taken out of context or not presented exactly the way she said it?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Whether it's 70% accurate and 30% jazzed up or vice versa, I don't know.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
But for instance, her saying Mr. Trump has an alcoholic's personality it's hard to imagine putting that in a context that would soften that.
Jack Armstrong
Quote, High functioning alcoholics or alcoholics in general, their personalities are exaggerated when they drink. And so I'm a little bit of an expert in big personalities. While Trump does not drink, she said, quote, he has an alcoholics personality and operates, quote, with a view that there's nothing he can't do. Nothing. Zero. Nothing.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Yeah, I guess she's not presenting that as a negative, which doesn't have to be.
Jack Armstrong
Right. Right. I mean, like by normal standards, we, we cite Michael Jordan a lot. His competitiveness is borderline psycho and it made him the greatest basketball player on earth and successful in one championship. So is that a bad thing or a good thing? It's more complicated than that.
Co-host (possibly Joe Getty)
Interesting. Maybe we'll look into that more. We got a couple hours to go. Many segments. If for some reason you don't get a chance to listen to them, you can find our podcast, Armstrong and Getty on Demand. If you want to donate to the scouts, go to armstrongandgetty.com it's right there on the front page. Easy to donate. We'll do a total in the coming hour.
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Date: December 16, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
This episode blends Armstrong & Getty’s signature banter with thoughtful (and often provocative) commentary on cultural trends, current events, and hot-button social issues. Starting with news of major sports injuries, the hosts dive into the cultural legacy of "White Christmas," their ongoing charity fundraising for Scouts, the latest job numbers, and then devote significant time to "gender-bending madness"—exploring transgender trends, university activism, and the implications of radical gender medicine. The show wraps up with discussion of the Trump White House, touching on media narratives and political personalities.
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True to Armstrong & Getty’s style, the episode combines sharp cultural commentary with irreverent humor, frequent sarcasm, and plainspoken skepticism of prevailing trends. Their discourse, particularly on gender and youth trends, is openly critical and pointed. On issues of charity and the American holiday spirit, the tone softens toward warmth and encouragement.
This episode covers the big news in sports, musical nostalgia tied to WWII, the importance of developing responsibility in young people (and how to make Scouting more accessible), and skepticism about economic “spin.” The heart of the episode is a deep-dive into the “gender madness”—including social contagion, academic activism, the intersections with neurodiversity, and the unsettling directions of radical gender medicine—before closing with the latest media drama around Trump’s White House. All is delivered with Armstrong & Getty’s characteristic wit, skepticism, and signature back-and-forth chemistry.