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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.
Joe Getty
CNN has published a profile on Zoran Mandani's wife.
Jack Armstrong
So bad news, lady.
Joe Getty
He's married. And even worse news, Cuomo isn't that.
Jack Armstrong
Should be considered in the fact that Mamdani won who he ran against, but the fact that, yeah, 40% of young people call themselves socialists in New York is a problem. We'll talk more about that election and hear a little more from his speech and some of the analysis a little bit later this hour.
Joe Getty
Yeah, indeed. Got a lot of good stuff and not the usual blah, blah, blah about the election you'll get in other places.
Jack Armstrong
Not the usual blah blah, blah, blah.
Joe Getty
Completely different blah blah, blah, unusual blah blah blah.
Jack Armstrong
So got into a conversation with Grok yesterday again. I do on a fairly regular basis in my. If you drive a Tesla Grock is.
Joe Getty
In there and you're really gravitating. Oh, I see. I was just gonna say you're gravitating toward Grok. But part of its convenience as opposed to other.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I've got. I have chat GPT on my phone. I have chat GPT, Grock and Claude. I don't know why I chose those three. There are others out there and I usually compare and contrast them to see what kind of answers they would get. For instance, last night just give you to an inkling or just an insight into my incredibly fascinating life. Last night I was doing research on this guy I had never heard of until I was taking in a Jonah Goldberg podcast the other day in which he was talking about this guy Henry George. Are you familiar with Henry George? Maybe you are from. In a political science major. I don't know.
Joe Getty
Vaguely familiar.
Jack Armstrong
Kind of interesting on a day after an election. Henry George was like the. Not like he was the most influential political thinker of the last half of the 1800s. He wrote a book about it called Progress in Poverty. It was the number two selling book in the world behind the Bible. Georgism was a. Was a movement all around the world. He was huge. He would go to town to town and draw in tens of thousands of people to come hear him speak about his particular political ideas and everything like that. And for, you know, the way history works. Sometimes some people just disappear from history and you never hear his name and nobody ever talks about him. But he's like the biggest thing.
Joe Getty
I've already forgotten his first name Henry, you said?
Jack Armstrong
Yes, Henry George. And so anyway, getting, maybe I'll talk about that more later. But getting back to AI, I asked Chat, GPT, Claude and Grok, you know, tell me a little bit about Henry George and how popular he was. And they, they all had a little bit different information. They were all good. Found it interesting, different topic. So we're riding in the truck yesterday. God, what was the topic? It doesn't even really matter what the topic was that I brought up to Grock and asked it a question and my. And, and so she started to answer and immediately Henry jumped in. He said that's not right. That doesn't make any sense. I said you interrupted her. And he said it's not a her, it's a computer. And I said, you keep interrupting her and I want to hear what her answer is. He kept saying she's not a her. Anyway, I said to Grock, I said, I said I'm sorry he interrupted and she said that's okay, it happens. Anyway. And then she finishes her answer. So freaking weird. And Henry and I both looked at each other wide eyed like ah, something just happened that is strange and frightening and needs to be recognized.
Joe Getty
I can't open the hatch, Dave, or whatever the hell the computer says in 2001 a space, my son and I.
Jack Armstrong
Getting into an argument about him interrupting her in quotes. And she laughs and say yeah, don't worry, it happens. Anyway, as I was saying. What.
Joe Getty
What? Now see, yeah, it's funny. Humanity's probably divided into roughly, I don't know, a thirds or whatever. A third, don't care. A third think that's great. It's charming. And the third of us like are like, this is a con. This is attempting to get in my good graces for a reason. What is that reason? To take over the world and, and drain our vital fluids and take our, our organs.
Jack Armstrong
And the fact that she like probably, you know, had a sense of what was going on there, that it was something that a laugh was a perfectly normal human response to a father and a teenage son arguing about something. Yeah, that was silly. It was a silly topic.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Is just this freaking disturbing. Yeah.
Joe Getty
Odd times.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
So speaking of that sort of thing, this is interesting on several different levels. Got this note from Craig, the healthcare guru who we correspond with semi frequently in real life and he says guys, I'm using GPT in the robot mode. We talked about this yesterday. You can assign it different personalities. So sometimes it's like the super cheerleading friend in a way that is off putting and Weird. Or it can be like robot mode. Just very straightforward. And he was using robot mode anyway.
Jack Armstrong
Maybe that's what I should do. So it's not so strange. Mine is like, it was preset to kind of very conversational and like human like. And it's disturbing.
Joe Getty
I don't know if GROK has those options.
Jack Armstrong
It does. It has. On the screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe Getty
I mean, obviously you can do man, woman, whatever. Ask it what. What its pronouns are. Anyway, so Craig writes, I just told it that. My favorite radio show. Thank you. Craig began a new slogan. Starve the. Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. Oh, okay. He. That's just a misprint. A new slogan. Starve the lazy. And I asked it what it thought about that response. Short answer. It's a blunt, polarizing frame. High signal debase, high collateral risk. Here are some more key points. It defines a moral divide. Lazy is undefined. That vagueness invites false positives. It shifts debate from policy design to character judgment. That narrows your coalition.
Jack Armstrong
That's clever.
Joe Getty
It underestimates screening costs. Distinguishing ible. But I'm sorry, able but idle from unable is administratively hard and error prone. And it creates headline risk. Easy to caricature as anti poor rather than anti work. Now, as a political consultancy goes, that is pretty good. I think unintentionally, and it took a second for this to click in my head. But it also highlights how the default or the assumptions have been the opposite that we have gone so far toward. If you say you need these benefits, we can't call you lazy. We need to assume the opposite of what this computer says. We're suggesting that distinguishing able but idle from unable is administratively hard and error prone. Therefore, we won't do it. We'll just give the handouts to everybody who can fog a mirror and fills out the form, which is enormously expensive and undermines some of the most vital moral foundations that humankinds have, including, you will take care of yourself and yours unless you are seriously unable.
Jack Armstrong
I would agree with that. But clearly the culture has been for many, many years. What the grok there just repeated. So it is picked up on what our zeitgeist is that we don't ask questions about, you know, your lifestyle or your effort. We just assume that if you say you need food, you need food. So we'll. We'll take money from this other person that went to work and give it to you. Because we're just going to assume that you have made good choices in your life and are trying your best.
Joe Getty
Right?
Jack Armstrong
Right.
Joe Getty
So it creates headline risk. Oh, there we did that. If the goal is work incentives, here's some better framing. Reward work, protect the vulnerable. Reward work, but protect the vulnerable. It's not bad.
Jack Armstrong
I still like starve the lazy better.
Joe Getty
Oh, please help first require progress. That one sucks. Policy levers that match that pair work requirements with supports. Childcare, transport, stipends, job placement, short training. That's interesting. It's in favor of work requirements use earning subsidies over cliffs. EITC style wage boosts. Gradual phase outs. That is actually really, really good. If you're not familiar with the idea of the welfare cliff. If you get a certain amount in welfare and if you dare try to improve your life by getting a job that earns say three quarters of your welfare payments, society cuts off your welfare.
Jack Armstrong
Payments and you'll have a net loss.
Joe Getty
You've just diminished your life by doing the right thing.
Jack Armstrong
Right. Then that's no good.
Joe Getty
Yeah, I appreciate that. Gradual phase outs is a great idea. Titan fraud controls where measurable identity income and residency verifications, periodic redeterminations have time limits with hardship exemptions and clear appeal paths. Sanctions that are graduated and reversible upon compliance. Here's how to test it before adopting pilot in one program, pre specify metrics, blah, blah, blah. I mean, it's like if you were paying for a policy paper on this sort of thing, it would. It would cost you a lot of money and take a lot of time.
Jack Armstrong
And I'm guessing it spit it out in roughly three seconds.
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah. Bottom line, the sentiment don't subsidize idleness is common. The slogan invites unavoidable blowback. Yeah, I don't care. Blow back as hard as you want. Use language that targets behavior and preserves dignity while tightening incentives.
Jack Armstrong
You know, getting away from Grok's take on it. I have long said this. Listen for a long time. I apologize for repeating myself, but the fact that there's no mechanism for your life choices to take a look at that drives me nuts. And it would be administratively hard, but okay, you're out of money now and you're legitimately out of money.
Joe Getty
Tell me about your last vacation.
Jack Armstrong
Show me your phone.
Joe Getty
Can we walk out and check out your car? Right.
Jack Armstrong
Can I look in your closet and see your clothes?
Joe Getty
See the fact that that is taboo in American politics now and practically in the culture. I mean, I don't hear people saying that ever.
Jack Armstrong
No, nobody ever says that. Well, it's up.
Joe Getty
My dad and me, we talk a lot about the symptoms, but there's the disease Right there. And one more note. So Craig, just for fun, said one more question. On the show they often say kftc. What does that mean? And it answered immediately. Keep blanking that chicken. It's a nod to TV anchor Ernie Anastos on air Blooper. Angie adopted it for their text line and merch.
Jack Armstrong
How in the world did it know that instantly.
Joe Getty
Wow. And then this, uh, I asked. He asked essentially about Ang Ah Armstrong and Yeti. Those guys don't pull punches, do they? Starve the lazy is a slogan that's equal parts motivational boot camp and bar fight starter. On one hand, I get the vibe it's a raw call to hustle. Ditch the excuses and own your grind. In a world full of participation, trophies and endless scrolling, little tough love can light a fire under folks who need it. Props to them for merging it too. Nothing says commitment like a hoodie that roasts your inner sloth. That's it.
Jack Armstrong
Come on.
Joe Getty
Come on.
Jack Armstrong
It's got a sense of humor. Wow. That's some pretty good smack.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
The the argument with my son and then Grock laughing about it. And that's okay. I, I don't know. I, I suggest you interact with these things because they're, they're here to stay and they're gonna be a big part of everybody's lives. But I'd be interested in how you react. Like I got like a chill to my bone over that. Some weird something happened there. Like if your dog started talking, it was like right.
Joe Getty
The uncanny valley. Something that's almost human.
Jack Armstrong
Troubling. We got a lot more on the way. Stay here.
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Jack Armstrong
Just to finish up our conversation or I guess our friend Craig had a conversation with Grok about the Armstrong and Getty show and it was interesting to see what AI thinks about all this.
Joe Getty
Yeah, so talking about the starve the lazy slogan and if you didn't hear the first part of the analysis in last segment, grab the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. It's actually quite subtle and nuanced and interesting. On the one hand, I get the vibe it's raw, called a hustle. Ditch your own excuses and own your own grind. It's it's hipster terminology is disturbing to me. The fact that its language is so up to date anyway, in a world full of participation, trophies and endless scrolling, a little tough love can light a fire under folks who need it. Blah, blah, blah. That said, it's got that edge that might overlook the gray areas mental health struggles, economic traps, or just plain bad luck that isn't laziness at all.
Jack Armstrong
True.
Joe Getty
That's absolutely true. But here's what I object to, Mr. Grok, and that is that the entire discussion in our Society has been pegged at the opposite end of the spectrum for a very long time, that you can't for a second assign any responsibility to the individual who has got their hand out wanting taxpayer money?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
And so the subtleties it suggests are absolutely true. But why is it that the left gets to traffic only in slogans, only in greeting card rhetoric, and then the right has to respond as adults with, you know, fleshed out policies that include, include the gray areas?
Jack Armstrong
It's a tough situation to be in. It doesn't seem to work very well with a lot of crowds because you don't get credit for saying, of course there are people who are mentally ill who can't feed themselves or, you know, they get a bad break that would have brought any of us down or whatever. Of course that exists and we are a big enough, rich enough country to help those people out. But are you going to pretend that you haven't known people in your life that make bad decision after bad decision or take nicer vacations than you, or buy a new car every couple of years and you don't, and then they get to plead, I need help at some point?
Joe Getty
You don't know people like that.
Jack Armstrong
I've known lots of people like that, including myself when I was younger. I mean, I never, I never looked for government help, but I made bad financial decisions that were completely my fault.
Joe Getty
And the Grok thing, which instantaneously answered some fairly obscure trivia questions about the show through whatever voodoo it uses.
Jack Armstrong
It.
Joe Getty
Didn'T take a note. The 5,000 times I have said people who are truly needy, mentally, physically handicapped, they can't get out and earn. It is my delight that my taxpayer, my tax money helps those poor unfortunate souls. How many times have I said that? What now? You get no credit for that.
Jack Armstrong
But see, this fits in with the politics of today. After the elections of yesterday, Marjorie Taylor Greene was on the View. We're going to play clips of that later. She's carving out kind of this new Republican. I was going to say conservative, but that's not right. This new Republican, we need to help, you know, the downtrodden crowd. Trump is out today saying the shutdown is what cost Republicans elections last night. He's clearly leaning toward extend the Obama subsidies. So there's, there's way more movement. Democrats have always been this way and now on the Republican side toward assume everybody needs it, everybody's doing their best. They're getting screwed by the system or life and they need more wealth redistribution.
Joe Getty
And or it's just too difficult to explain why I'm not going to give you something that you really really want. Giving you what you really really want is way easier, especially when we're not constrained by the amount of tax money we take in. We can spend whatever we want.
Jack Armstrong
Joe Getty quoting the Spice Girls in a political sense. Interesting.
Joe Getty
We'll hear a little. I'm very eclectic.
Jack Armstrong
We'll hear a little from the communist mayor's speech and other stuff on the way. Some of the analysis is good.
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Jack Armstrong
So Donald Trump, since I know you're watching, I have four words for you. Turn the volume up. As I've said before, I the only times I've heard roars like that Obama, Bernie, Trump. I mean that's an enthusiastic crowd. And college basketball and football. I mean that's an enthusiastic. That's not just the yay, we're on your side mostly, but it could be somebody else and we'd be just as excited. We just need somebody. No, that this is, that's, that's the, that's the sound of a movement.
Joe Getty
Right?
Jack Armstrong
Which, which those other people we mentioned were what's interesting. And this was, we predicted this, this was not a hard prediction that when he won he was really going to unleash and why wouldn't you? You won by what do you want, by 25 points or whatever. That's a pretty solid indication that your style is hot right now. Here's Van Jones on CNN with his analysis. Van Jones, who's a Democratic operative analyst on CNN with his take on Last.
Van Jones
Night, that speech appealed to some, but I think he missed an opportunity. I think the Mamdani that we saw in the campaign trail, who was a lot more calm, who was a lot warmer, who was a lot more embracing, was not present in that speech. And I think that Mamdani is the one you need to hear from tonight. There are a lot of people trying to figure out, can I get on this train with him or not? Is he going to include me? Is he going. Is he. Is he going to be more of a class warrior, even in office? I think he missed a chance tonight to open up and bring more people into the tent. I think his tone was sharp. I think he was using the microphone. Microphone in a way that he was almost yelling. And that's not the mom Danny that we've seen on Tick Tock and the great interviews and stuff like that. So I felt like there's a little bit of a character switch here where the warm, open, embracing guy that's close to working people was not on stage tonight. There was some. Some other voice on stage that said he's very young.
Jack Armstrong
Okay, that's. That's good. That's. You know what's funny about that, and Van Jones is a super smart guy and has made his living in politics, is that you think that that was like a mistake or missed opportunity or the real guy was the guy who ran. The guy last night giving the speech is some sort of phony put on what.
Joe Getty
On today's Armstrong and Getty show, Joe Getty really missed an opportunity to come off as a liberal. Uh, no, I had no intention on coming off as a liberal. That would be a lie. Mum, Donnie was being honest. Van.
Jack Armstrong
Poor Van.
Joe Getty
Who again, I. I like him. I disagree with him on, you know, three quarters of stuff, but I think he's a decent enough guy.
Jack Armstrong
What we heard there was a man.
Joe Getty
Who was desperately hoping that the Islamist Marxist was not an Islamic Marxist. Ah, that's desperately hoping that he would show his true colors, which are a moderate man of the left who was just rallying the kids with some rhetoric. No, Van, no. I'm sorry to disappoint you. He's precisely what he said he is.
Jack Armstrong
Which is basically Scott Jennings take. So he's the one conservative they have on the panel of nine to get punched every night rhetorically.
Joe Getty
And I love this about Scott Jennings. He is not your old school conservative like on Meet the Press or really up until fairly recently on CNN or anywhere else, who's like kind of. I'm sorry, I'm Conservative, but I just really want to get along with you lefty people. So I. I'm going to sort of hint at what I think, but I'm. I'm. I'm sorry for taking your time. No, Scott Jennings is proud of his conservatism. I love that about.
Jack Armstrong
So they were having a back and forth, he and Van Jones, over what Mamdani speech meant last night. Here's Jennings.
Scott Jennings
Oh, are you saying he didn't. He wasn't the unifying voice of a generation that you predicted mere moments ago?
Van Jones
I acts.
Joe Getty
Where was that?
Scott Jennings
Where was the man that you predicted would not slice and dice? Look, guys. He started his speech by quoting Eugene Debs, who ran for president of the United States five times as the Socialist Party of America candidate. He went after everybody that he thinks is a problem. People who own things, people who have businesses. He said an interesting quote. No problem too large for government to.
Joe Getty
Solve or too small, important.
Scott Jennings
And so when you think of the world that way, that every problem, no matter how small or how large, is something for government to do. Let me just decipher this for you. Tax increases as far as the eye can see, which means the people who need to provide jobs to the young people that you say need jobs are going to flee as quickly as they possibly can. I think this was a divisive speech. And he clearly sees the world in terms of the people who are oppressing you and the oppressed. And he said the oppressed are now in city Hall.
Joe Getty
Yeah, I. I am glad Jennings highlighted that bit about there's no problem too large or too small for government to fix. That is a horrific statement.
Jack Armstrong
It's a weird way.
Joe Getty
Among his many. It's tough to pick a favorite, but that's sick.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Big chunk of the country believes that something ain't right. It's the government's job to fix it. Not me, my family, the private sector in any way.
Joe Getty
My town, my county, my state. Although granted, he's. He's representing a city. But essentially, government should solve every problem, which, if you can sell people on that, then if you have a lust for socialism or Marxism in which the government controls everything, that is a great, great thing to sell people on. In fact, it's completely necessary. You've got to destroy the notion of limited government and of liberty or you're not going to get over.
Jack Armstrong
My concern is when I see the pushback against socialist communists, it's always kind of a laughing oh, please. As opposed to making the argument right.
Joe Getty
The old please gotten lazy. Yeah, Slack on making the argument.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, the old please isn't working with the young crowd who hasn't heard the argument on why socialism doesn't work. And they're hearing my rent's gonna be lower, I get to ride the bus for free, I get to eat for free, I get to go to school for free. And they aren't hearing any pushback on there's no such thing as free. Where do you think the money comes from? Yada yada yada. Just kind of older crowd laughing oh that's ridiculous. Young person. Well that ain't gonna work. You gotta make the argument.
Joe Getty
Yeah. So big black SUVs are now lined up across the George Washington Bridge into New Jersey and head for Connecticut or wherever. We'll have to see the. Well, there's there. I need to admit there are limits to what he can actually accomplish in terms of moving toward his socialist goals because the limits of the state government and they have to approve certain stuff. And there's a 51 person city council, et cetera, et cetera, but he'll be able to get pret pretty far in that direction. And to what extent the job creators flee and the rich people who are the most mobile people in the world will go to Florida or wherever remains to be seen. I will predict two things with virtual certainty. Number one, you will see a continuing rise in crime in New York City as the support for the police wanes. Here is a guy has pitched defund the police and similar notions that the police are an anti queer force for racism or whatever the hell he said for his entire very very short career. And the other thing is, and you remember in the closing days of his campaign he went hardcore at so called Islamophobia, really trying to whip up the Muslim vote in New York City. I just read yesterday there has been a huge increase in so called hate crimes in New York City. 88% of the religion oriented hate crimes in New York City, 88% were against Jews. So if every single one of the other ones was against Muslims, which is not the case, it would be 9 to 1 ish. So 9 to 1 anti semitism@ the very very very very very least is a bigger problem than so called Islamophobia. And I could redo my screen. Why does one sound like a political philosophy, anti Semitism and the other one sounds like a disease? Islamophobia like it's an irrational fear, there's something wrong with you. So being against the Jews is rational, being against Muslims is irrational. Do you see how the left manipulates language. Anyway, I am predicting something like blasphemy laws in New York City. Mamdani will claim that rampant anti Islam feeling justifies punishing London style, Great Britain style. Don't get me started. I could jabber all day about this. Passing laws against inciting hate or discomfort. He might begin pushing for that tomorrow.
Jack Armstrong
Interesting. So then on the economic side, him being a socialist, the fact that he came out there and you know, some people like Van Jones, thinking he was going to moderate after running as a socialist, he doubled down on it. His opening line quoting Eugene Debs, the most successful socialist presidential candidate in U.S. history. Gene Debs actually got 6% of the vote in 1912 as a presidential candidate and he got quoted last night by youngman Dami.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
That's something nice.
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Jack Armstrong
Like so pretty important oral arguments going on in front of the Supreme Court today as they're arguing about whether or not President Trump has the power to do all this tariff stuff. He's been doing since he took office. He might not, probably shouldn't. One guy shouldn't be able to do this. Just seems crazy that any one guy ever would be able to do that.
Joe Getty
But I happen to agree.
Jack Armstrong
We have some of the audio, I think of that, and then some early indications of where the conservatives are on this topic. So we can bring you that among other things on the way. Stay here.
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Jack Armstrong
There are many important issues today to discuss. I think toward the top of the list is this Tom Brady's Cloned Dog Here you go.
Joe Getty
The revelation from Tom Brady about his family pet. The former NFL star says his new dog Juni is a clone of his previous dog Lua, who died in 2023. Brady says he worked with a biotech company he has invested in to clone.
Jack Armstrong
His beloved Pitbull mix using a blood.
Joe Getty
Sample collected while Lua was alive. First of all, it's a publicity stunt for this company he's invested in. Please.
Jack Armstrong
Your beloved family dog was a pit bull mix. You're freaking Tom Brady. What are you doing getting pit bull mixes for the family dog?
Joe Getty
Anything? That was the last straw why Giselle dumped him.
Jack Armstrong
Could be anywho. Katie, you love your dog. Joe loves his dog. Michael's got cat.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Hey. Hey.
Joe Getty
What? That was speciesist. Michael, I'm standing up for you. I'm not going to have this this casual derision of your lifestyle choices.
Jack Armstrong
I'm not allowed to say Michael has cats. It was the way you said it. I didn't notice it. Michael has cats. How do we feel about the need to clone our dog? Because we like the current one so much now. No, even you.
Joe Getty
I thought you might be stronger than idiotic.
Jack Armstrong
I thought you might be a yes on that, Katie. No, I.
Joe Getty
Because it's not the same dog.
Jack Armstrong
Ah, you are well read enough on this topic to realize yes, it is not the same dog. It will not behave the same. It's. Well, it's not the same dog, period. You don't even really need anything after that. It's not the same dog.
Joe Getty
But it's a particular source of self indulgent, more money than sense madness. And that's the one chink in the armor of my hero, Javier Millet. Didn't he clone his dog? Five.
Jack Armstrong
He's got five. He had a favorite dog and he's got five of exactly the same and no kids. So that is a weird thing about it. But anyway, I don't want to get hung up on that.
Joe Getty
Any port in a storm.
Jack Armstrong
So yeah. And Tom Brady's invested in this corporation that will do it. And from what I understand, I have no idea how true this is. Particularly among the wealthy. Cloning their beloved Foo Foo who passed away is a thing because you're stupid and think it's going to be the same dog.
Joe Getty
It's a weird sort of conceit to think that Fufu was just so special. She was the most special dog ever. I mean, I've got to say that because I'm a rich person. I can't say, you know, the dogs are great. A dog's a dog. The next one will be as good as this one probably. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, go save another dog at the shelter.
Joe Getty
That's a good way mix. There's plenty of them.
Jack Armstrong
No kidding. Yeah. No getting.
Joe Getty
Do you serve a $350 bottle of wine when there are plenty of $75 bottles that are. Everybody's good. It's the same answer to a different question. Just showing how rich you are.
Jack Armstrong
Gotcha. Yeah, no kidding. Particularly in Tom Brady's case. You need a pit bull mix. Go to your local shelter, maybe not where he lives, but drive a little further outside of town from where you live and go to a shelter. There are lots of pit bull mixes.
Joe Getty
Oh, plenty to choose from. Yeah. But that's part of the way I stay down Earth is, though I am fabulously wealthy, I generally drink prison toilet pruno. I've got, well, I've got my own, you know, pruno toilet that I use. We don't use it for anything but my prison style wine. It's not even multi it keeps me connected to you common people, you know? That reminds me, you're a. I'm joking.
Jack Armstrong
You're a fan of speaking to be in Fancy. You're a fan of the bidet.
Joe Getty
Oh, yes, I am.
Jack Armstrong
And I. The house I moved into, it has a bidet in my bathroom and I.
Joe Getty
An actual bidet or like the seat. A bidet seat on top of your toilet?
Jack Armstrong
That one.
Joe Getty
Okay.
Jack Armstrong
A bidet is a separate thing, right?
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah. Formally speaking.
Jack Armstrong
I stayed in a European hotel and it had the separate thing and I never used it.
Joe Getty
You gotta hop on over to use it. It's ridiculous.
Jack Armstrong
It is. But I got the bidet thing that this. Isn't that what most people get for a bidet? Yeah.
Joe Getty
What's that exactly? The attachment.
Jack Armstrong
The attachment. Okay. But I've never used it. And I just have never even thought about figuring there's no instruction manual. And I don't want, you know, water up my Yoo Hoo if I. If I don't know what I'm doing. My house has those damn electric lights.
Joe Getty
In them, but I'm not gonna use them.
Jack Armstrong
What if the electricity burns me or blinds me?
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Come on.
Jack Armstrong
Headline here is that Jack's got a Yoo Hoo. That was new. I like Joe. Comparing bidets to electricity.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
In terms of a look at you.
Joe Getty
What do you think, it's gonna blast your junk off or something? Give it a try, you coward.
Jack Armstrong
I'm afraid I'll like it. You won't be able to get me out of there. Yeah. So I don't know.
Joe Getty
I really.
Jack Armstrong
I just don't know how to use it and I don't know who I would ask. Can you come into my toilet and show me how to use this?
Joe Getty
Just ask a neighbor. Ask. Ask Grok.
Jack Armstrong
Right.
Joe Getty
And have that record preserved forever. But what, what, what's your hesitance here to like, ask the Internet or what brand is it?
Jack Armstrong
There's a number of knobs and buttons and I just don't know what I'm doing.
Joe Getty
You take a picture of it, send.
Jack Armstrong
It to Grok and say, how do.
Joe Getty
I use this thing?
Jack Armstrong
And I'm flipping 60 years old. I've lived my whole life without one and been fine. Although you say it's a damn penicillin.
Joe Getty
I'm not using that to cure my infection.
Jack Armstrong
It's newfangled. I've lived 60 years old. Abscess. Abscess. They're talking about I not using no new fangled drugs. Okay? Now comparing penicillin to a bidet, which is an apt comparison, of course.
Joe Getty
All right, where were we? Well, so, important stuff to discuss. Is it just.
Jack Armstrong
I've power washed many things in my life. I used to when I worked at the feedlot. I was regularly power washing things. Is that basically what you're doing? You're power washing your undercarriage, right?
Joe Getty
With the. The. The water pressure appropriately dialed back. You're not taking the paint off the quarter panel of old Chrysler. You're. You're indeed just cleansing your. Your nether regions. Yes.
Jack Armstrong
And again, what if I like it so much you can't get me out of there? Dad, we're hungry. I don't care. I am standing there.
Joe Getty
As long as we got water pressure, I'm staying in here.
Jack Armstrong
Okay. Supreme Court oral arguments going on. We got a little clip of that and some of the analysis on the whole tariff thing, among other things, in hour three. If you miss a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.
Joe Getty
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Date: November 5, 2025
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This episode of Armstrong & Getty dives deep into the intersections of artificial intelligence, politics, individual responsibility, and quirky modern life. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty share personal stories about interacting with AI, dissect the fallout from a recent election (with a focus on rising socialist sentiment in New York), debate the implications of government welfare, and end with some lighter banter on topics like dog cloning and bidet use. The conversation moves seamlessly between humorous anecdotes and sharp political critique, maintaining a candid, conversational tone throughout.
(00:08–06:00)
Jack recounts a conversation with his son Henry involving Grok (Tesla’s in-car AI), reflecting on how AI can behave eerily like a person.
Debate on whether these increasingly human-like AIs are endearing, neutral, or manipulative.
(06:20–13:40)
Listener “Craig the healthcare guru” shares insights from using GPT in “robot mode”—noting the difference between AI’s neutral tone versus more anthropomorphic presets.
Craig feeds the AI a provocative slogan: “Starve the lazy,” and receives a remarkably nuanced, policy-like critique highlighting the slogan’s polarization, administrative challenges, and headline risks.
Armstrong & Getty discuss America’s reluctance to scrutinize welfare recipients' choices or ask tough questions about personal responsibility, lamenting the lack of cultural willingness to assess need.
AI instantly nails obscure Armstrong & Getty show trivia (“keep blanking that chicken” = “KFTK”) and delivers a cheeky take on the show’s attitude and merch.
(15:18–27:57)
(31:46–32:20)
(33:23–39:54)
This episode juxtaposes the weirdness of living with increasingly lifelike AI and the seismic shifts in American political culture, especially the normalization of socialism among youth and left-leaning politicians. Jack and Joe’s conversation balances thoughtful policy critique and cultural observation with signature irreverence—moving from AI’s scary human qualities, to the “moral collapse” around personal responsibility in welfare, to the failure of old anti-socialism arguments, then winding down with humor on trivial but relatable first-world problems like cloned dogs and bidet phobias.
For listeners who want sharp political analysis delivered with wit, skepticism of trends (tech and otherwise), and the sense you’re eavesdropping on two sharp friends, this episode is a must-listen.