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Jack Armstrong
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Joe Getty
When I see that scene that I saw today with people coming out of helicopters and airplanes that are amazing, that look like they haven't had a meal in a month, no reason for that. And I don't know how much longer we can take it.
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Jack Armstrong
Do you mean you want to recast?
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Joe Getty
I don't know how long we can take it. When I watch people that were healthy people a reasonably short number of years ago and you look at them today, they look like they've aged 25 years. They literally look like the old pictures of Holocaust survivors. The same thing. The same thing. And I don't know how long we're going to take that.
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Tim Sandifer
Yeah, that was Donald Trump on Air Force One where he's doing something that other presidents haven't done, where he's been having people come back in his little cabin where he's basically got his I'm the president desk in Air Force One. And the press doesn't usually go in there, but he's been taking questions. And then when he got to the Oval Office, he was asked about, well, I guess we should bring you up to speed on this. So maybe you saw the videos over the weekend of Hamas releasing some hostages while they taunted them and made them thank them, thank their captors before they turned them over to the Israelis. And the hostages, as Trump just said, there looked like they were Holocaust victims. They weren't treated very well, they got all kinds of health problems, everything like that.
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Jack Armstrong
Then yesterday, abused, denied medical care. And it's shocking to me, sorry to interrupt the soft pedaling of the fact that Hamas has murdered or allowed to die of their wounds or, or beat to death or whatever. A bunch of the hostages, they were alive, now they're dead. Well, I hope we can get their bodies back. Wait a minute, how do you jump to that?
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Tim Sandifer
On the treatment of all the women, I mean, good Lord. But yesterday, Hamas announced they were backing out of the ceasefire agreement, claiming Israel wasn't giving enough aid or something like that. This is the way they jerk things around all the time. Always have, always will, until they're all dead, which hopefully will be soon. But Trump was asked about this sort of threat in the Oval Office and he clarified a bit.
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Joe Getty
Well, I would say this, and I'm going to let that, because that's Israel's decision. But as far as I'm concerned, if all of the hostages aren't returned By Saturday at 12:00, I think it's an appropriate time. I would say cancel it and all bets are off and let hell break out. I'd say they ought to be returned by 12 o'clock on Saturday. And if they're not returned, all of them not in drips and drabs, not 2 and 1 and 3 and 4.
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Tim Sandifer
And 2.
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Joe Getty
Saturday at 12 o'clock and after that, I would say all hell is going to break out.
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Tim Sandifer
So I came across this. Practically nobody hates Trump more than our friend Tim Sandifer. But Tim retweeted somebody saying this about Trump's statements yesterday on that. I'm so inured to four years of the Democrats tolerance of and often admiration for Palestinian sadism and savagery that hearing someone make simple, normal, moral observations about Gaza feels shocking. And it shouldn't, right? No kidding. The Biden administration would never just say out loud, hey, those hostages were horrible. Look like they've been tortured, what the hell, right? Or you're bad guys, or anything like that. There would have been no statement. Or if there had been a statement, anything slightly condemning of Hamas would have had to accompany something condemning of Israel. Because, you know, you gotta balance it out.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I know. And it's weird, it's disturbing to me. I've been studying propaganda since I was a teenager and it's almost anti propaganda. The way the Biden administration pretended things were not a problem and the rest of us would look at things and say, oh my God, that's outrageous, that's horrifying. But they would either pretend it doesn't happen or say, well, we need to reach a ceasefire with these people. And their view was so wildly different than mine and probably yours. I'm guessing that you started to think, am I out of line here or something? It was like propaganda by silence, if you know what I mean. The systematic soft pedaling of something till you thought, I think this is horrific and outrageous, but nobody else seems to. Am I nuts?
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Tim Sandifer
I unfortunately think that was so driven by. They think Twitter is the world and Columbia college campuses. Yeah, the college kids in Columbia. You know, boy, how if we say something mean about Hamas or point out how these hostages appear to have been tortured, well, that's going to make the college kids really angry. I really think that drove their messaging, which is nuts.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, it is. Yeah. The other aspect of this, to me that's just remains utterly mystifying, is, as the Wall Street Journal points out, that the two sides were supposed to have begun talks about the second Phase agreement that would lead to the release of all remaining hostages and the many, many bodies of those who were killed in captivity or died on October 7 and an end to hostilities in Gaza. And I'm thinking, wait a minute. Negotiations to end the hostilities in Gaza, which either call for the complete removal of Hamas like it's a tumor, or they are almost hilariously doomed to fail. There can be no successful negotiation. That includes Moss. There's zero goodwill. October 7th is like. What's the opposite of goodwill? People who continue to talk about negotiations for an end to hostilities. I seriously don't understand you at all.
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Tim Sandifer
Well, like I said yesterday, making those hostages who you've kept for a year and a half and tortured and killed a whole bunch of their friends in front of them. Thank you for your captivity. Before you hand them over. F you people. Screw y'all. The hell is coming noon on Saturday. Kill them all. Every single one of them.
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Jack Armstrong
And nobody has said this out loud, but we have. And I will again. The Israelis figured, all right, let's see how many hostages we can get back. We'll participate in this farcical negotiation, will trade them hundreds of fighters and terrorists and murderers for a few of our innocents and a handful of our soldiers for as long as we can hold this shaky bastard together. It's going to break down. And when it does again, the whoop ass commences.
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Tim Sandifer
Can you imagine how different the messaging would be on this if Kamala had won? It might actually have been the most consequential election of my lifetime. The way things have played out over the last three weeks.
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Jack Armstrong
You're right. You're absolutely right.
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Tim Sandifer
Oh my God. Well, it's going to be something to see what happens. What do you. What do you guess? So I was watching Richard Haas this morning on msnbc. He's their go to foreign policy expert because he ran the council on for relations forever. He thinks it's. It's over. There's not going to be a stage two. Violence will return.
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Jack Armstrong
Of course not. Like I said, I find the whole stage two thing utterly fanciful. Just completely nuts. And nobody wants to say that out loud cuz that makes you sound like. Well, I don't know what. Like you don't value peace or you're pro genocide or something like that. No, I'm just looking at the forces aligned. It was like when I was saying with utter confidence that Joe Biden couldn't possibly run for president again. Just. It doesn't. Those dynamics here can't possibly yield. What you are talking about. If you are talking about a negotiated long term peace, Hamas is utterly uninterested in it. How do you not see that?
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Tim Sandifer
I don't know. They say it over and over. Why don't you listen to them? Why don't you ask them? They'll tell you. It's like anybody who talks about a two state solution, please leave the room. I do not want to talk to you if you're going to bring up that, because it shows me that you're not paying attention. Hamas doesn't want a two state solution. All right?
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Jack Armstrong
This is realism versus what is the opposite of realism? There are some people who hear the next stages are going to be horrible and very difficult to take as a human being. And they say, well, there's got to be a better way. And you point out, no, there's no solution here. And they say, but there's got to be a better way. And you say, what is it? I don't know, but there's got to be a better way. And then there are people who say, this is miserable and it sucks, but we've got to do it. Those are the realists. And it's too bad, but the grownups have gotta be in charge. Or you know what you get? You get more killing and more death and more misery and no future for the Palestinian people. That's what you get by pretending reality, the wolf of reality is not outside your door, you fools.
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Tim Sandifer
Also, sometimes there's a good guy and a bad guy or an evil guy that can't be changed. And the whole moral relativism trying to make both sides, well, they both have blame in this. It just ain't gonna work.
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Jack Armstrong
I hate to resort to cliches. One more and then I'll let you wrap it up. But if Hamas laid down its arms, there would be no more war. If Israel laid down its arms, there would be no more Israel. That's it.
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Tim Sandifer
Yeah. Somebody try to argue that that's not true, that that's not just very simply true. Didn't expect Vince Neil of Motley Crue to be in the news today, but he is. I also want to talk about the big AI conference in Paris and a bunch of other stuff on the way. Stay here.
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Nancy Mace
Armstrong and Getty.
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Tim Sandifer
I feel. I feel like I want the crew to go on for a little bit here. Before I get to the news item, I need to hear some singing. Motley Crue, ladies and gentlemen, but spelled.
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Jack Armstrong
Differently with an oogle out, so you know they're hardcore.
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Tim Sandifer
Which one is this? Is this Dr. Field, Dr. Field.
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Richard Haass
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Good. Yeah.
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Tim Sandifer
Anyway, here's a little of the story, which is a very serious story that is registered to a company owned by Motley Crue lead singer Vince Neil. The rock star was not on the plane, but TMZ reports his girlfriend and their dogs were. She reported five broken ribs and is now recovering in the hospital along with a friend. She was traveling with a lawyer for Neil, saying Mr. Neil's thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved. So lead singer for Motley Crue, lion in his girlfriend and their. And some dogs. And they were involved in a plane crash. She got hurt and a person did die. So planes crashed into each other on the Runway. They ran into each other.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Scottsdale, right? Yeah.
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Tim Sandifer
Yeah. So anyway, I don't think you should.
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Jack Armstrong
Have your lawyer say Mr. Neal's thoughts and prayers go out to the victims. I don't think God likes that.
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Tim Sandifer
This.
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Jack Armstrong
Don't hire a lawyer to pray for you.
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Tim Sandifer
It's. It's just. It's interesting how news works because it's a deadly plane crash, but it would not make the news. Runway Learjet bumps into another plane, I don't think, but. And he wasn't there or anything. But a well known rock star to the target demo of the news world owns the plane. So it's a news story.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
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Tim Sandifer
It's just interesting how news works.
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Jack Armstrong
It hasn't affected my life much.
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Tim Sandifer
And they got to. And they got to put up on ABC or every other newscast. I've seen pictures of Vince Neil or Motley Crue when they had long hair back in the 80s and everything like that. Oh, yeah, Motley Crue. It's just, you know, you got to have a hook for your stories.
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Jack Armstrong
This is interesting.
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Tim Sandifer
The 80s, I guess, if you unfortunately or injured or have a family member killed, hope it's done by a celebrity so it gets any attention. Otherwise it won't.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm not sure I need any attention, but I see your point. So we were talking earlier about the miserable state of government schools and the bloat and the waste and how weirdly, in this society you have the left that's calling for wild, radical change. Like there's no such thing as a man and a woman. Nothing could be more fundamental. I mean, given the fact that the entire animal kingdom where there is sexual reproduction has males and females and everybody knows it. And don't bring up some damn starfish to me. Unless you're a starfish. Anyway, so while they're insisting on just bizarro radical change, they also act as if. And we've seen this during the Doge period of recent days. You also see this just frantic screeching, clinging to the status quo, which must never change. It's really kind of odd if you think about it, but specifically in terms of schools, we made a brief reference to this about Fairfax county schools right outside of Washington D.C. one of my offspring happened to attend college in beautiful Fairfax. So I know it fairly well. It's, it's very affluent and very woke, very blue. And Fairfax county schools have been involved in a number of super ultra woke controversies and lawsuits in recent years, including persecuting anybody who came to the school board meetings and said, hey, I don't think guys should be playing girls sports. Oh my God. You would be hounded out of your job, your community. You could barely, you know, walk the streets of Fairfax without getting yelled at and screeched at. Anyway. That's Fairfax for you. Fairfax County Public Schools, it turns out. 79 year old retired attorney in Fairfax county who had the time and the intelligence and the connections to do this on earth. Startling documents through a public records request detailing the price tag for salaries of 52 employees in the chief equity office of Fairfax Public Schools.
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Tim Sandifer
Oh boy. I'm bracing myself.
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Jack Armstrong
Let's start there. They have 52 employees in their chief equity office at one school, one school district, $6.4 million a year or enough to pay about 125 new teachers.
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Tim Sandifer
Why would you possibly need 50 people to do that? Because it's a job program is why.
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Jack Armstrong
The chief Equity officer makes $260,000 annually. Highest salary in the department. More than the salary of the vice president and all the congress people and senators in that area. Wow.
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Tim Sandifer
The highest salary goes to the person running the DEI department at your school district.
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Jack Armstrong
Wow. Yeah, it's just. And again, the figure is you could hire 125 new teachers to tutor the kids struggling in reading and math. But no, instead you have this bloated, effing DEI office that accomplishes nothing but pits people against each other by race. It is obscene. So I agree 100% that culture wise conservatism has had the best month that we've had in 50 years. We have miles to go before we sleep.
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Tim Sandifer
Oh my God. It almost makes me shudder to think if we'd have been able to, had been forced to go another four years down that road where it would have been so entrenched, you might not ever get it out.
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Jack Armstrong
I know, it's chilling to even consider it. So Trump, for all his excesses and again, I say our, our checks and balances and systems will rein in his excesses and we're all going to be fine. Given how the powers of progressivism were all aligned, including the media and academia and the rest of it, yeah, they could have dragged us so far down the hole we never would have gotten out.
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Tim Sandifer
Here's a new trend in the corporate world, Joe. Company sanctioned sex days could be coming. Paid time off to get freaky boosts productivity and workplace loyalty. Research finds.
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Jack Armstrong
That'S ridiculous.
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Tim Sandifer
We got a bunch of interesting stuff on the way, including the New York Times with their it seems like once a week opinion piece on is now a good time to bring children into this world? Which I always find hilarious, among other things. On the way on the Armstrong and Getty show.
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Nancy Mace
Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Kendrick Lamar's halftime show drew criticism from fans who called it the worst halftime ever. It was so bad, Jimmy Carter came back to life just to turn off the tv.
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Tim Sandifer
What?
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Jack Armstrong
I kind of missed the setup.
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Tim Sandifer
I thought, how did Jimmy Carter end up in there? Sorry, Greg, you have fabulous ratings. I feel like that was a stretch.
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Jack Armstrong
Planes, George. So, oh, I need to mention this very briefly. Congresswoman Nancy Mace, Cutie, South Carolina just gave a speech last night on the House floor, very long, impassioned, explicit, about her and other women's sexual assault and exploitation and abuse at the hands of her ex fiance. She named names in Congress? Practically, yes. A police report in Congress, just shocking. We'll have the details for you coming up next segment.
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Tim Sandifer
Why'd she do it on the House floor?
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Jack Armstrong
Don't know.
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Tim Sandifer
Okay, stay tuned for that. I read a lot about AI we talk a lot about AI A lot of the smartest people in the world think it's going to be among the biggest things that's ever happened to human beings. I mean, if they're even half right, it's worth discussing. If they're, if they're right right, then it practically should be the only thing we're discussing. I mean, if it's going to be as big as fire or the Internet as people have projected. So they're having a big conference in Paris and all your big AI names are there, or many of them from Google and OpenAI. And Elon's not there because he's busy trying to take over America and ruin it for all good people or he's unelected, but he's got a representative there because he's a big player in AI, obviously, and President of India's there. Macron was there for this speech a little bit you're about to hear. Trump didn't go because he's busy ruining America for all good hard working government workers.
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Jack Armstrong
He was elected.
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Tim Sandifer
J.D. vance was there and this is what he said in front of all those people. Now this is another one of those. I can picture what Vice President Harris would have said if she'd have been given a speech in front of all these people and about how it's all, all of us working together to advance human beings in a safe and meaningful way. This is what JD Vance says.
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Jack Armstrong
We invite your countries to work with us and to follow that model if it makes sense for your nations. However, the Trump administration is troubled by reports that some foreign governments are considering tightening the screws on US tech companies with international footprints. Now, America cannot and will not accept.
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Tim Sandifer
That JD Van standing up there in front of everybody and saying, we are not gonna go along with your regulations and we're the leaders in AI. You're gonna hamstring us. And without saying it out loud, with the obvious part being and Russia and China and North Korea and some 400 pound guy in his bed are gonna do whatever the hell they want.
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Jack Armstrong
Right? Right. Meanwhile, we're dancing to the EU's tune. Why?
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Tim Sandifer
Right, but that was not a go along to get along. And we and Great Britain have not signed on to some accord that promises. What was the phrase? It's one of your common phrases, some sort of diversity thing. But it's not the word diversity, but something like that that promises, you know, to be sure that you have the right number of this kind of person and that kind of person in every AI company, whatever. I mean that's just ridiculous. That'd be like going to los Alamos in 1944 and tell Oppenheimer we gotta have, Sorry, we're shutting the whole thing down. No more race to get the bomb. We got way too many white guys here. We need, do we need to bipoc. We need women, we need all these different people. And then you can start back up trying to get the atomic weapon before Hitler does. I mean, it's just nuts that people even think that sort of thing. Of course, the countries that sign on to it, they got practically no AI program whatsoever and they're never going to be the leader of anything. But we are.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh, goodness sakes. And I've got, I can't restrain myself. And the same side that's insisting on shutting it down in the name of equity and what you were just describing is making it completely impossible to reform America's public Schools. Anyway, back to you.
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Tim Sandifer
Here's what's interesting though, so I'm watching.
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Jack Armstrong
This, I'm sorry, so that, you know, minority kids of whatever stripe would be qualified to participate in all the great tech stuff of the future.
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Tim Sandifer
So they did this story on MSNBC this morning. I was watching Morning Joe and, and cute Mika and, and Willie Geist were clearly shaking their heads, horrified at JD Vance's America first belligerence around AI. And they turned to their foreign policy expert Richard Haass for his opinion on this.
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Jack Armstrong
What do you make of the stance.
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Nancy Mace
That the Vice President was putting out.
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Jack Armstrong
There, especially about the regulation of AI?
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Richard Haass
I think he's onto something. I simply don't think AI lends itself to regulation. Let me give you one image would be nuclear weapons. United States and the Soviet Union had them. We had arms control because nuclear weapons basically in two hands, very large concentrated efforts to build them. AI is so different. It's, it's distributed, decentralized, dozens of companies in the United States and around the world. So the idea that it seemed like.
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Nancy Mace
The one thing that really needs to.
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Jack Armstrong
Be regulated, given the potential.
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Richard Haass
Well, the problem is, first of all, how do you regulate the bad sides and not the good sides? Who decides? How do you somehow discriminate? China and others aren't going to want to do it. There's too much economic ups side here, Mika, potentially too much strategic and military upside. You can't regulate things when they're in a stage of fast development. They have to reach plateaus. AI is not going to reach a plateau. It's going to keep moving. I simply don't think the nature of the beast lends itself to regulation.
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Tim Sandifer
And then Willie Geist says on msnbc, so what, is this just going to be the Wild west where people do whatever they want? And Richard said, yes, yes it is, because there's nothing you can do to regulate it. Let's all grow up here, people. I do real. I do feel like I really, really believe this. Maybe I'm just like getting so neurotic and paranoid as I get older. I don't know. I think we are on the precipice of the world becoming so different we can't even hardly recognize it within 10 years because of AI.
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Jack Armstrong
That's entirely possible. And it's going to be swaths of.
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Tim Sandifer
The world and it's going to be more downside than upside. But I don't think there's anything you can do about it. Oh, it's just going to be the Wild West. Yes, it is the Wild west was the Wild west, because until there was enough law enforcement or order that you could put upon it, that's the way.
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Jack Armstrong
It was gonna be.
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Tim Sandifer
It didn't have any choice, and that's.
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Jack Armstrong
The way it was gonna be. Time to watch the man who Shot Liberty Valance tonight. The greatest metaphor ever for the taming of the west. Anyway. You know, here, let me interpret that conversation. Let me translate it for you. And this is continuing our theme throughout the day today thus far, realists versus non realists. So Micah says, I wish they could regulate this in a way so it doesn't get bad. And Richard Haas says, there's not a way. And Micah says, I wish there was. He says, but there's not. And Willie Geist says, you know, I really wish there was. And Hoss says, there's not. That's what happened in that conversation. I wish we could is not an argument. It's not an intelligent stance. I mean, it's fine to feel that, but it's not a counter argument.
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Tim Sandifer
I feel that greatly.
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Jack Armstrong
No, no, no, Mica, Mica. It's decentralized. There are dozens of players scattered across the globe. I wish we could regulate them. Oy, Faye, I swear, you're a nice lady, but you and your. You can't be in charge.
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Tim Sandifer
Well, and then getting back to sort of the politics of it, she's actually.
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Jack Armstrong
Not a nice lady. She's mean as a snake. Call Spade.
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Tim Sandifer
Getting back to the politics of it, where, you know, everybody wants to make Trump and J.D. vance look evil, you know, saying, yeah, he's onto something. Him standing up there and saying, look, you're not gonna put regulations on us because we know how that's gonna play out is a much better approach. And again, try to picture Kamala Harris and what she would have said. Some sort of, we're all in this together, global, one world thingy.
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Jack Armstrong
That would have been when we work together, together we can work together, right? To leave behind what has been.
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Tim Sandifer
And whatever she said might very well have got a standing ovation there. But it would have been crap.
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Jack Armstrong
It would have been non reality.
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Tim Sandifer
It would have been not what's going to actually happen. So how about we stand up there, say, look, you're not going to regulate us. We're the leaders in this. We're going to stay the leaders in this. Good.
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Jack Armstrong
You people who hear the I wish and say I wish too, that was a great speech. We all wish and think you've offered humanity anything. I seriously don't get you.
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Tim Sandifer
Trust me, I believe this to My bones, too. You're better off with the United States being the leader in AI than China or Russia or North Korea or whoever.
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Jack Armstrong
You are seriously standing by the roadside looking at a flat tire, saying, I wish the tire wasn't flat. And then the other side of the aisle is gonna change the tire and you're gonna say, but you got your hands dirty, and that's a waste of a tire. I wish the tire wasn't flat, you child. Lord, save me. So this is crazy. Nancy mace, Republican congresswoman, S.C. stunning House floor speech last night alleging sexual abuse, rape, voyeurism, madness by a group of men in a highly personal and incredibly unusual speech will bring you some of the, I hate to say highlights, but you'll get the shape of it. It's craziness.
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Tim Sandifer
Okay. I'm trying to figure out, is there a greater significance to this and why you'd bring it to the floor of Congress, or is it just a personal beef?
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Jack Armstrong
We need to talk about that.
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Tim Sandifer
Okay, that's on the way. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty super bowl ratings in Most watched ever. 126 million people watch the super bowl on Sunday. That is a stunning number.
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Jack Armstrong
More on that next hour. If you don't get next hour, you got to go somewhere. You can grab it later via podcast. Subscribe to Armstrong and Getty on Demand. So last night, Representative Nancy Mace, Republican, South Carolina, got up to to do a speech. And to the shock and amazement of the chamber, and now everybody hearing it, she began quoting a bunch of Bible verses and some philosophical talk. And then that led to her main and we're going to let her speak for herself and fill in blanks as we need to. But this is Nancy Mace last night on the floor of the House.
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Nancy Mace
Today I'm going to free myself from the monster who broke me. Today I'm going to free other women who fell prey to the same man. Today I will free other women further from a group of men who committed the most evil acts against them. I want every woman and girl to know in the country, you have a friend and you have a sister, and me and I will fight like hell for you every day of the week.
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Jack Armstrong
She goes on.
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Nancy Mace
When I uncovered evidence of rape and the illegal filming of women and sex trafficking, I didn't just see victims. I saw a system that failed to protect them. I saw criminals who thought they could get away with it because no one had the guts, no one had the courage, no one had the bravery to hold them accountable because we are filled with cowards. I Will burn this system to the ground if I have to.
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Tim Sandifer
Okay, Okay. I stayed out of you and Hanson talking about this, Right. Because I wanted to not know what's going on so I could be in the place of the listener here.
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Jack Armstrong
And you still don't. Which is why the very words in my mouth were. You're asking yourself, what is she talking about specifically?
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Tim Sandifer
That's what I was going to ask. Was there a lead up to that where the people sitting there know what the context is? Or is she like me? Where. I'm thinking this is a very serious topic. But what the hell are you talking about?
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Jack Armstrong
Well, right, exactly. And I'm glad we're in the same place. I was just about to say hang with it because we're experiencing it like the House of Representatives experience it. And. And the. The context will come as we go. Which is a little odd, I get, but. Roll on, Michael.
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Nancy Mace
When you incapacitate women, it's against the law. When you sexually assault women, it's called rape. If you film women naked without their knowledge, without their permission and without their consent, it's called voyeurism. And it makes you a peeping Tom. And it is illegal. When you and your business partners like these. All business partners. When you and your business partners pay each other and you sexually abuse women, it's called sex trafficking and it is against the law and it by definition makes you a sex trafficker.
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Jack Armstrong
Now here we go. It becomes clear. She's talking about her ex fiance and his business partners. And on the house of the. The floor of the house. Names.
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Nancy Mace
Names to Eric Bowman, Patrick Bryant, Brian Musgrave and John Osborne. You have bought yourself a one way ticket to hell. It is non stop. There are no connections. So I and all of your victims can watch you rot for an eternity.
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Jack Armstrong
So in the next clip, which was very long and we had to shorten, she describes how somebody sent her a screen capture of her fiance's profile on a dating site. And she demanded access to his phone. He put it in a safe. Then she somehow got legal access to his phone.
- [32:12]
Tim Sandifer
What is that?
- [32:13]
Jack Armstrong
And found multiple pictures of. And not like downloaded, but having been taken by that phone of women, including what appeared to be at least one underaged girl. And then she describes finding videos of herself.
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Nancy Mace
I saw another video of another woman who was undressed, clearly on a camera, unaware she was being filmed. She was slender and she had long brown hair. I turned up the volume to hear if there was audio. I heard my voice.
- [32:48]
Tim Sandifer
Wow.
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Nancy Mace
I zoomed in on the video and that woman was me. My entire body was paralyzed and I couldn't move. Were my feet on the floor? Was I breathing? I have no idea. I could feel pain shooting out of my heart, out of my chest, drop straight down to the floor like I was in a nose dive. The pain running through my veins wouldn't stop. Time was suspended for a moment. This monster stole my body. It felt like I had been raped.
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Tim Sandifer
Well, it sounds like she was. So she was drugged and raped by her own husband.
- [33:49]
Jack Armstrong
Fiance.
- [33:50]
Tim Sandifer
Fiance. But. And. And was completely unaware of it, apparently.
- [33:55]
Jack Armstrong
Well, right. She made vague references to women being drugged and raped and. And. And surveilled and videotaped without their knowledge, which she got specific about. She. As far as I know, she wasn't specific about who got raped when. Exactly. Although it was a very, very long speech and we're just getting excerpts worth pointing out. That provision of the Constitution, which you may have heard of, known as the speech and debate clause, gives members of Congress broad protection from prosecution for what they say while performing legislative duties. And her office put out a statement saying everything she said is protected. They are not conjecture, they are not allegations, they are facts based on information she uncovered and documents she accidentally discovered. But she also heavily criticized the South Carolina Attorney General.
- [34:37]
Tim Sandifer
But, like, is this a full on? She's gone to the cops and pressed charges and all this stuff, and then she talks about it on the floor?
- [34:44]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, the South Carolina Department of Investigations, whatever the proper name is. You get the idea. Says we have a substantial file on this case and we'll disclose the particulars when it's appropriate. Wow. Wow.
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Tim Sandifer
That would be something to check. Videos in the phone and then you finally figure out it's you. Wait a second. That's me.
- [35:07]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Boy, this case is going to be heard about for a long time. I have a feeling.
- [35:12]
Tim Sandifer
Whoa, if you missed an hour of our show, grab the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.
- [35:17]
Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Gettysburg.