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Joe Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. It's the largest AI infrastructure project by far in history.
Jack Armstrong
History.
Joe Getty
The joint data center project is called Stargate. I believe that as this technology progresses, we will see diseases get cured at an unprecedented rate. We will be amazed at how quickly we're curing this cancer and that one and heart disease.
Jack Armstrong
So leaning on the health stuff, I would too. When you're pushing AI because it's the easiest to sell to people as a as a clear positive because there's lots of how's this going to turn out or clear negatives that go along with AI. But anyway, apparently we're committing to being the number one in the world with AI, just like we've been number one with practically everything else for the last century. That's the Trump administration. A half trillion dollar investment in AI infrastructure, including building the world's largest computer and coming up with some sort of energy source. Because I still don't quite understand this, but AI takes a tremendous amount of energy and where's the electricity going to come back come for that? But it's a modern. I was just watching some Fox coverage on this. They're looking at it as the modern space race like was happening in the late 50s, early 60s between us and the Soviet Union, except this time it's us in China, once again a communist power. And that if we don't win this AI race, which they say we will with this half trillion dollar investment, you know, it's going to be really bad for the United States, really bad for the world. One of the things Elon's been warning about on that since the beginning though is once this turns into a space race or a, or, or a race either for safety, you know, who's going to control the world militarily or for dollars, then all ethics go out the window because that's, you know, that's the way it works. And, and, and he's really concerned that, you know, the, the downsides of AI won't be managed well when it's a competition, which I'm sure he's correct, but I don't know how you're going to stop it.
Joe Getty
Oh, I think that's so clearly true. There's almost no need to say. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. I'm a little. Elon. Well, we've got a couple of clips of some of the tech gurus at the White House talking to Brett Baer yesterday. Do we want to play any of those?
Jack Armstrong
Sure. Let's hear from Brett Bear talking to Sam Altman, who is one of the OGs of AI. What this means for AI in the future for the US investment here.
Joe Getty
This means we can create AI and AGI in states of America. Wouldn't have been obvious that this was possible. I think of a different president might not have been possible, but we are thrilled to get to do this and I think it'll be great for Americans, great for the whole world.
Jack Armstrong
Tech bros, oligarchies, etc. You should be scared. Very scared. Here's Brett Baer talking to another tech billionaire, Larry Ellison. Larry, you talked about what can come out of this. As far as health care and other things, people are starting to get their head around AI but not fully. Well, when you go to the hospital these days, if you're using a modern system. Excuse me, using a modern system, the doctor will get a little note written by AI describing the purpose of the appointment, and then that note will have your latest lab tests. So the doctor is prepared. When they meet with the patient, the AI will actually listen to the conversation between the doctor and the patient and make recommendations and improve the likelihood that the patient's gonna get a high quality of care. It's easier for the doctor. It's better outcomes for the patient. It's really a revolution in medicine, but it's a revolution in many other industries as well as. Well, medicine just touches us all. Yeah. Joe said earlier, and this is absolutely right, they do have a tremendous financial interest in this succeeding. So while it's true, I think that there'll be tremendous medical benefits, I mean, you're really yada yada ing the end of civilization by focusing on the medical stuff.
Joe Getty
Yeah, it's complicated. Yeah. They're trying to raise amounts of money that I can't even comprehend. So naturally, this is both an announcement and a huge sales pitch. It's interesting that Altman and Ellison and the banker from SoftBank, who is a Japanese fellow, what's his name? Doesn't matter. I can't remember. He's a banker. They met with Trump. Trump was singing their praises, singing the praises of the project. They were talking about what a great President Trump is. The banker dude was saying, he's right. This is a golden age. We're starting a golden age of American blah, blah, blah. And Elon immediately tweets out, ah, they don't have the money. He said, I have it on good authority. Softbanks only secured like as well under $10 billion secured. And they're talking about a $500 billion project. I got to believe Trump and Elon may have a short, uncomfortable conversation about that.
Jack Armstrong
What does he mean, they don't have the money? So Trump announces this half trillion dollar project. That's not all tax money. I assume when there's a big space race thing, the taxpayers are paying for it.
Joe Getty
No, it's an investment. It's private joint venture to build advanced data Centers in Texas. SoftBank CEO Masayoshi Son was the third guy there.
Jack Armstrong
And Elon just flat out says they can't afford to do what they're claiming they're going to do.
Joe Getty
Well, he says they don't have nearly the financing they claim.
Jack Armstrong
Well, you do like they did. They're trying. They've been trying to do with the Bullet train in California forever, and it's worked. You get far enough down the road that, well, we can't stop now. And that's when you bring in all the taxpayer money.
Joe Getty
Or it reminds me of you're trying to get a movie made and you say, well, Dustin Hoffman is attached. He's. He's more. He's ready to sign for the lead role as you try to get, you know, somebody else to jump on board. So I just, I think it's interesting and undisciplined that Elon would weigh in in that way. Why would you bother? I happen to know they don't have nearly enough financing later. Come on. Wait a minute.
Jack Armstrong
I think Elon is right. It's. There's. There's no way around this, though. But I think he was right because at the very beginning of AI when he was. He was with Altman right at Open. The Open, whatever it was, and they wanted to be open and not have it be about profit and all that sort of thing so they could make sure about the ethics and not letting AI get out of control and ruin the world. Well, that quickly. Elon quickly left because they decided they wanted to be about profit. Elon started his own thing. Other people started their own thing. Google's invested billions of dollars. Bill Gates has invested billions of dollars in those. It's its own space race within the United States for who's going to be the best AI out there. And then we're competing against China. But it's a lot like the nuclear weapon or whatever. We want to be the winners. I mean, I, I think. I think a lot of bad stuff is going to come out of AI but I'd still rather have it be our company's version of bad stuff than China's version. China. All China is going to try to do is take over the world.
Joe Getty
Yeah. I would say the best case is mutually assured destruction.
Jack Armstrong
The best case, let's quote Joe Getty on this today. Best case scenario is mutually assured destruction.
Joe Getty
Yeah. I will stand by this statement. It's just nuclear arms. You're never going to have an exclusive. So the best case is, you know, you can wipe them out. They know it, and vice versa, so everybody stays cool.
Jack Armstrong
Well, and if we ever reach the singularity point or whatever they call it, where AGI happens, where AI is training itself, I don't even know what that means then, because I would think you can't keep the Chinese version in the US version separate. Kenya won't. They start learning from each other and then, then they're taking over the world and as Joe always points out, draining us of our vital juices.
Joe Getty
Well, right, yeah. Chaining us to the walls of laboratory slash factories and draining our juices. Yeah. I do want to hear their nefarious purposes.
Jack Armstrong
Bret Baier did get into some of the possible downsides of the AI revolution with Sam Altman. Let's hear.
Joe Getty
This is good.
Jack Armstrong
Sam, for the people who are concerned about AI on either the work and job front or just it's scary. What do you say to them? That there are rails to make sure that it doesn't go out of bounds.
Joe Getty
There are hundreds of millions of people using these tools today. It'll go to billions. People are using it and really dependent on for all sorts of great things in their lives. Like any new technology, we do have to put some rails on it. You can imagine, imagine ways it could go wrong. But if you look at the safety record, what we've been able to ship so far, what I think we'll be able to do in the future, the benefits of this tremendously outweigh the downsides. We have to be responsible how we do this. We have to build it carefully.
Jack Armstrong
But I think people are really good.
Joe Getty
And people will do, on balance, incredible things with this technology. The scale of this investment obviously is huge. And what I think that says about the likely progress of the technology, at least what all of us believe is correspondingly huge. But I have enormous faith we'll figure it out. Let's play When a Genius is an Idiot who can pick out the phrase.
Jack Armstrong
Or lying, I don't know which it is.
Joe Getty
I think people are really good and I think it'll turn out fine.
Jack Armstrong
And the good outweighs the bad.
Joe Getty
Pardon me, Excuse me, sorry.
Jack Armstrong
The good will outweigh the bad. You see, nuclear power can power an entire city. It's cheap and it's clean. It also can blow up that entire city. Similar situation. Luckily, so far we have not blown up the world. I think it might be somewhat inevitable that that happens with nuclear weapons. But this is the way AI is. Okay, great. So it can identify cancer earlier if it eliminates 80% of jobs and everybody's out of work. I'm not sure that's a win for humanity.
Joe Getty
Well, and the evildoers unleash computer viruses and hacks and the rest of it through AI that close all the hospitals where you'd be getting that advanced cancer Treatment, Sam.
Jack Armstrong
That's a good.
Joe Getty
Of course, there's no stopping. It's. It's like the atom, I remember. And, and you've actually read more than I have about this, but in the early days of the atomic programs, there was these raging arguments over whether humankind could handle this. If. If we were, quote, unquote, playing God. The answer is yes. Yes, we are. And the answer to the question of whether we can handle it is barely.
Jack Armstrong
Well. Right. And if you've seen the Oppenheimer Heimer movie or read the book it was based on. Yeah, they were having very similar discussions with Oppenheimer's conclusion being what we were just talking about with AI it's going to happen. There's no stopping it. The, the, the. The. The ability to do it exists. So do you want the bad guys to do it or do you want to be the leader in it? That's the only question. And the people who are unwilling to work on the Manhattan Project because it could be used for war are simpletons and people who are unwilling to, you know, be involved in this because it could be used for bad things. You're a simpleton. China's gonna do it. North Korea's gonna do it. Russia's doing it as fast as they can. Would you rather they lead the world in this or us?
Joe Getty
Right. Right. It reminds me of that dividing line I keep bringing up. There are roughly two kinds of people. Those who recognize this is heavy and it's ugly and it hurts my heart, but it has to be done. And they do it. Are those who say, I don't care what you say. I'm not going to do something ugly. I don't care. And they just can't deal with it like an adult. It's. Again, there's part of me that I got to reread the Book of Genesis with the. The Tree of the Fruit of Knowledge. I know it's very brief. Wait for the movie's.
Jack Armstrong
There's a Genesis movie coming out. I think they're making a movie or a miniseries all about Genesis.
Joe Getty
They've already made a car in a band.
Jack Armstrong
Final thought on this. I don't obsess about AI as much as it probably sounds on the radio show. But I am sort of obsessive about the idea of people who think it's not a big deal. It's a huge freaking deal. There's nothing I can do about it. So that's why I don't obsess about it. But it is a huge freaking deal.
Joe Getty
Just because there's hype doesn't mean it's not a huge deal.
Jack Armstrong
I hope. I one of the reasons I want to stick around, not only for being around for my kids, is I want to see how this all plays out. I want to live long enough to see how this all plays out because it's going to be incredible and I only have to live like maybe another 10 years to have a pretty good idea how it's going to turn out.
Joe Getty
I think people are really good and people will do, on balance, incredible things with this technology.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
That is one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life.
Jack Armstrong
That's there, there's, there's Oppenheimer right there. I think on the whole, people are good and we'll do incredibly good things with this technology now. All right.
Joe Getty
Kim Jong Un is good. Xi Jinping's good. All those people chopping up children with machetes in Africa are good. And they'll do good things on balance.
Jack Armstrong
Wow. That's. I'd like to hear him respond to that more on the way. Stay here.
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Jack Armstrong
If she got one letter wrong, you know, you're up there in stage and at a microphone and probably trying to do a bunch of things at once, and they get. She wasn't even close.
Joe Getty
She got the E right. L, G, S, E, S ego. All right, you explain to me. She. Again. She did get the E right. Explain to me how the hell you go to the S2 letters early. E, L, G, S, E, S Elgus's. She ought to be impeached for that. L, G, S, E, S ego.
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Jack Armstrong
If I'm a radio station in Philadelphia, like, I might. I might just. You know how, like, radio stations go all Christmas music. I might go all that clip for a full day. Just play that over and over, go to commercials, come back, play it some more.
Joe Getty
I love that idea. That is shocking.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, that's pretty good.
Joe Getty
I'm trying to listen to the people in the background. Were they spelling exactly as she was spelling, or were they trying. No, they're spelling it right. If there's more to that clip, can somebody find a longer version of that?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Does somebody shout out, hey, that wasn't even close.
Joe Getty
E, L, G, S, E, S, E, G. How do you go early?
Jack Armstrong
I think you should have gone es a couple more times there at the end.
Joe Getty
There was nary an A to be found in that spelling either.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, God. And she was a school teacher. That's fantastic. I don't get the controversy over the birthright citizenship. EO Other than the president doesn't get to change the Constitution. I get that controversy, but the wanting to do away with it, I don't quite get. What's your argument for it?
Joe Getty
Keeping birthright citizenship. Yes.
Jack Armstrong
Keeping the Constitution the way it is. What's your argument for it? If you have one text line. 415295 KFTC.
Joe Getty
I'm familiar with a couple of them. We can trot them out in a minute or so.
Jack Armstrong
I'd like to hear that.
Joe Getty
It absolutely needs to be interpreted because the language in the Constitution is pretty fuzzy.
Jack Armstrong
Right. This is exciting. If you're in federal government and dei, you're done at the close of business today.
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Joe Getty
And yes, that salute was evocative of things that we have seen through history. It was quick. I think our viewers are smart and they can take a look at that. But it certainly was.
Jack Armstrong
It's not something that you typically see at American political rallies, put it that way. No, no, it was not something that you usually would see that was a Nazi salute. And he didn't just do it one.
Joe Getty
Time, he did it twice for emphasis.
Jack Armstrong
And you talk to anyone that historians, folks actually study the Nazis and study this actual kind of disgusting display will have been very clear that what that was. And he should not just apologize, he.
Joe Getty
Should be condemned for those kinds of actions.
Jack Armstrong
So gross, disgusting. But more of what we can expect, I think from Elon Musk and Donald Trump. That is hilarious. Elon Musk's alleged Nazi salute. And again, the same crowd that had no problem with college students all around America in favor of beating down or killing Jews, which is pretty Nazi like behavior. Wouldn't call them Nazis, but Elon's wave to the crowd. Clearly a Nazi salute.
Joe Getty
I've got to admit it's funny. I'm. I'm sitting here feeling like a football coach and I got a playoff game next week, the weekend and I'm getting game film of my opponent and they're like playing slap ass in the huddle and some of them aren't even wearing spiked shoes and they don't have any pre planned preplanned place. If the left media is that dopey and stupid, oh, they're going to be down for a long time.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I agree. Good, keep it up. Good luck with that as they say, good luck in your senior year as Joe Biden would say.
Joe Getty
So hey, here's on air meeting real quick. We've got the audio of the SNL cold open handy which is kind of on the same topic. Sure, we could do that. Hour four.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, let's do that.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
So the New York Post is reporting today that see the CN boss, CNN boss, there's two Ends cnn.
Joe Getty
Boss, you're like the mayor of Philadelphia over there. Mark Thompson can't even spell cnn, folks.
Jack Armstrong
Mark Thompson, who runs cnn, had told Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper and a hundred other journalists there not to express outrage during the Trump inauguration, which is a smart idea. Hey, tone it down. Don't be angry. Half the country voted for the guy. He's got the highest approval rating he's ever had. Plus, it's just not good journalism. So let's just treat this, you know, describe what's happening. That was a good idea. But then you got that. Later that day, Elon Musk with his weird chest thump thing, whatever he. Why ever he did that, is not a Nazi salute. It's the only thing I do know, treating it like just obviously a Nazi salute. So I had a good friend who used to do this whenever I would get anywhere near catastrophizing something, and they would always say, well, let's take that further. Like, try to come up with an example. Like, you're gonna lose your. But what if this happens? I don't know. I would lose my job. And what happens if you lose your job? I'd have to get another one. And then what would happen? Then I would have another job and then blah, blah.
Joe Getty
I mean, just.
Jack Armstrong
I mean, because it takes all the wind out of it sometimes if you just take things step by step like that.
Joe Getty
I love that.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, it's really good. It really works on a lot of things. And I wish whoever was sitting there with the analyst talking about it being a Nazi salute had done that with that. Okay, let's take this further. If it was a Nazi salute, what does that mean? I mean, go further with your. So are you saying he's a member of the Nazi Party? He believes in the Final Solution, of ending all. Just. Do you believe Trump knows that? Do you believe. Do you believe he did that to signal the Nazis in the arena that didn't already know that he was.
Joe Getty
How has he covered up his overt Nazism until now? Did he just slip up by doing that? Or has he now come out of the closet, in your opinion?
Jack Armstrong
Right, right.
Joe Getty
Well, of course, on msnbc, for instance, they would say, well, he's just finally, he's emboldened by Trump's victory and now he can express his true feelings of Nazism.
Jack Armstrong
Okay, that's what I wish someone would do. You don't even need to say they're wrong. Just make them spell it out very directly. So you think he now feels as a closet Nazi and they've gone ahead and adopted all of the Nazi like symbols and arm gestures of 80 years ago that he's willing to do it out loud in, in front of the big national audience at an arena because he's so comfortable with being a Nazi. That's, that's what you're telling me just happened? Because it sounds pretty silly if you lay it out like that.
Joe Getty
Oh yeah, yeah, it's, it's beyond silly. A full credit to Dennis in Lincoln, California who pointed out he's watching the news and AGB has replaced aoc. Not the buxom half wit progressive cutie but the phrase what does AOC stand for? Abundance of caution. Oh AGB is the new media phrase. A growing backlash as Elon Musk blah blah. A growing backlash as Donald Trump declares the 14th Amendment. A growing backlash as Trump pardons. He's right, absolutely right. Look for that phrase that might be. You know what it is? It's the new Republicans pounce as.
Jack Armstrong
So Trump backlash. Trump ran on a lot of things including putting an end to DEI in the federal government. And yesterday he put out his memorandum to do just that. It was called. The name of it is ending radical and Wasteful Government DEI Programs and Preferencing Executive Order 1-20-2025. He signed this on day one. One of the things I like about the way Trump operates is he, he puts things in like regular people language because a lot of times your governmental stuff you can't understand like section one is this the purpose and policy. The Biden administration forced illegal and immoral discrimination programs going by the name diversity, equity and inclusion DEI and virtually all aspects of the federal government and areas ranging from airline safety to the military. This was a concerted effort stemming from Biden's first day in office. And he talks about Biden's executive order. Pursuant to my executive order 13985 and follow on orders nearly every federal agency, blah blah, blah, blah blah blah. So by 5:30 today, close of business today, all DEI officers of any kind in all departments, they're on paid leave and that's the end of that.
Joe Getty
Right? Right. Love it. It's important. It's going to take a long time to disentangle this insidious philosophy from the universities and schools. But at least it's, it's been hit with a big face full of roundup in the federal government. And again what you have to understand is good, well meaning people think DEI is about making sure there's no discrimination against people. It's not that it's a neo Marxist Takeover of institutions masquerading is racial understanding. They understand that you're a good person who's against racism. They're exploiting that with this philosophy. I suggest for the umpteenth time, very strongly you read at least part of James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose's brilliant book Cynical Theories. It's about critical theory in all of its incarnations.
Jack Armstrong
And it gets down to a language where it talks about the. The way all hiring and promotions will be done. Oh, right here. Shall reward individual initiative, skills, performance and hard work. And shall not under any circumstances consider DE or DEI other factors, goals, policies, mandates or requirements. Meritocracy, in other words.
Joe Getty
Right. And just the idea that always being obsessed with race and constantly lecturing people about race, study after study. And it's funny, given my previous argument, that DEI is not what it claims to be anyway. The funny part is what it claims to be. It's a miserable failure admission. It doesn't help black people. It alienates and angers everybody. It makes the workplace less workable and less pleasant. It fails by every measure at what it's pretending to be. But it isn't that. Anyway.
Jack Armstrong
If you, if Kamala Harris had been elected, we'd have gone way down, further down that road for four more years, you know, and maybe eight or 12, you never know. And, and it would have been so ingrained and deep into the federal government, it would have been very hard to get out. Now we got a shot at getting it out. I mean that, that's a big difference right there.
Joe Getty
Yeah. I just hope people start to understand what it is and what it isn't because it could come back so easily if good, decent, but not very aware people think it's. Well, it means not being a racist.
Jack Armstrong
The left does such a good job of naming things in a. Oh yeah, pleasant sounding way. And it works so often. I need to start in my own personal life.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Like if you, you using example for you. Like if you call, you want to buy new golf clubs, but you present it to your family as the healthy father who will be here for the future, act perfect. And that's why I'm getting buying new golf clubs with family money, is because I'm going to be healthy for the future and be here for you in your old age. Don't you want me to hold your.
Joe Getty
Grandchildren the word outdoor into there as well? That would be good. But yeah, that's a perfect illustration.
Jack Armstrong
Just gotta reword everything.
Joe Getty
Oh, they are fabulous. And they turn equality into equity. And people think, well, same Three first letters. Of course, the mayor of Philadelphia doesn't know that, but it starts the same, so it must mean roughly the same. And in the same way illegal alien became illegal immigrant became undocumented immigrant, which became whatever. Which then is now a migrant for some reason. Undocumented worker, unpapered migrant. Fairy dust. Angel dreamers. Why do you adopt the left's verbiage? Don't.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
Stop it. Gender affirming. Care. You're a sucker if you don't know how you're being played through. That term. I gave Brett Bear the rough side of my tongue on that and they have not used that term again on Special Report. Well, I believe I was heard and.
Jack Armstrong
The best of all time, pro choice. Not pro abortion, pro choice. It's a joy. What, you don't like people making choices. What kind of awful person are you?
Joe Getty
Oh, either hypocrisy.
Jack Armstrong
Quickly, before we go to break. Somebody, a friend of mine just texted me this, having arrived at their place of employment, knees weak, arms are heavy, ready to leave work already or whatever. Eminem said, it's funny how some days you just don't have it. And it's always difficult to nail down. Sometimes it's clear, like you went to bed too late or drank too much or something. But, but aside from that, some days just like, why am I, why am I not in the groove today? Whether I'm at the gym or works out, like, what I can't get on my horse today. What is the problem?
Joe Getty
No mojo.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I got no mojo.
Joe Getty
Yeah, I know, I know. It's just, it's the, it's the human condition.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. And I find as you age, the days without mojo seem to come more often.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah. I just, I, I have a friend who I'll remain, I'll stay vague on this, but he, like, we have a job millions want, but only hundreds have. And, and he said, our running joke is we're living proof that you can grow to hate your dream job.
Jack Armstrong
Job.
Joe Getty
Not in any sustained way. I love what I do. But there are days you think, no, seriously, I will do anything but talk about the news today. But, you know, it comes and it goes.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. I always use that line on my kids for all kinds of different stuff. It doesn't matter what it is, you know, I want you to clean your room. I don't want to clean my room. You know who else doesn't want to clean the room? Everybody. I don't feel like going to school today. You know who else doesn't feel like going to school every kid in America or just whatever. You know. Who else doesn't want to go to work today? Me and everyone else. So there you go.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Welcome to the human rights.
Jack Armstrong
We got a lot more on the way. Stay here.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
That's a pretty good joke. Hey, by the way, I know I'm late to the party on this and I'm opening myself up for mockery here, but that's what I do. And I realized if you have an Android phone, this has been around for years, you Apple haters. But the iPhone just got the technology fairly recently and I even more recently started using it. So I took a picture of myself at the Washington monument in Washington D.C. and I really liked the picture. And my 13 year old said, well, why don't you get that guy out of there? There's a guy like standing behind me. Otherwise it was just me in the monument. And he grabbed my phone and he did it. He showed me how to do that.
Joe Getty
And if.
Jack Armstrong
And now I'm obsessed with it. The, the taking a picture and eliminating the garbage can behind you or the person you don't want or whatever. It's effortless. It's amazing. It's like magic.
Joe Getty
It's just show me how.
Jack Armstrong
It's just incredible on the, you know, how you adjust the cropping and everything like that. There's a little eraser emoji thing there and you tap on that and you just use your finger and you just kind of color in what you want to erase and it figures out. Oh, you mean that person. And it just takes them out and fills in with the background like magic. It's amazing.
Joe Getty
Randos in the background. That ill advised ex boyfriend that your friends warned you about but you ignored them.
Jack Armstrong
Yes. There's lots of people that have pictures like that. Oh, I love that picture of Yosemite. It's just, that's my ex and he was a jerk. You take him out, you still have the picture.
Joe Getty
You, you said, but yeah, interesting. I got to get used to that. I got to do that feel bad.
Jack Armstrong
For people who used to do that at, you know, and get paid great salaries for it because it wasn't a tremendous talent.
Joe Getty
I, I know I've known people in the arts, like graphic artists, commercial artists, stuff like that. And they, they were smart and they got wise to computer art when that became the thing. I mean, they put down their pens and markers and the rest of it and picked up a mouse and they got good at that. And now it's like any dip s with a keyboard can type in. Give me Donald Trump riding a white stallion with an ice cream cone in his hand. And there it is.
Jack Armstrong
For some reason.
Joe Getty
Yeah, for some reason. Speaking of advertisements and that sort of thing, I thought, this is crazy. It's a report on advertising in a variety of ways. Doesn't really matter. But 54% of young Americans report that, that ads infiltrate their dreams.
Jack Armstrong
Whoa.
Joe Getty
Commercial messages find their way into their dreams.
Jack Armstrong
I don't think that's ever happened to me. Or at least I'm not aware of it.
Joe Getty
Yeah, that's obviously what I was going to ask. I, I don't recall ever having a dream like, like that.
Jack Armstrong
And why, why do young people say it's happening and it's not happening to us? Do they spend that much more time taking in ads than we do?
Joe Getty
They don't go into real depth on that. They were polling. It was well over. It was like 1100Americans age 18 to 35. 22% of respondents experience ad like content in their dreams between once a week to daily. Another, roughly 20% report such occurrences once a month, every couple of months. The phenomenon isn't merely passive. The survey reveals that these dream based advertisements may be influencing consumer behavior. Your intangible ways. Well, two thirds of yes.
Jack Armstrong
So am I having a, like, I'm having a dream where I'm flying. Love those dreams. I'm going to have a dream while I'm flying. And then all of a sudden a dream voice comes in, like flying. Try Southwest Airlines. Go to southwest airlines.com for 20% off that sort of thing.
Joe Getty
Oh yeah, that's hilarious. No, no, but they, they say that advertising corporations are desperate to figure out how this works so they can do it more.
Jack Armstrong
I'm sure we'll get back to this sex dream right after this message from Nike. Nike has new shoes that could get a girl like this in bed with you.
Joe Getty
Wow. Yeah. I mean, good luck with that approach. It's hilarious. But can you imagine, you're sitting there, you're watching the NFL playoffs and some weird ad comes on with like imagery like what the hell was that? And a Honda car. And you're like, honey, did you see that ad? That was weird. Then for the next seven nights you dream about it because they've somehow tapped into the neural codes involved. Katie wow. I'm just thinking these aren't dreams, they're nightmares.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, that's interesting. So advertisers thought, we've got eight hours. We're missing out on out of a 24 hour day. We need to figure out how to advertise to them in their dreams, in their sleep.
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Armstrong & Getty On Demand: Episode Summary – "Don't You Want Me To Hold Your Grandchildren?!"
Release Date: January 22, 2025
In the episode titled "Don't You Want Me To Hold Your Grandchildren?!", hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve deep into the evolving landscape of artificial intelligence (AI) infrastructure, the socio-political ramifications of AI advancements, and significant policy shifts under the Trump administration, particularly focusing on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) programs within the federal government. The discussion is rich with insights, expert opinions, and critical analyses of current technological and political trends.
Discussion on the Stargate Project
The episode opens with a robust discussion about the joint AI infrastructure initiative named Stargate, which Jack Armstrong identifies as "the largest AI infrastructure project by far in history." [02:27]
Joe Getty elaborates on the project's ambitious scope, noting that it aims to accelerate the curing of diseases like cancer and heart disease at unprecedented rates. [02:28]
Quotes:
Trump Administration's Half Trillion Dollar AI Commitment
Jack Armstrong critiques the Trump administration's commitment to AI supremacy, highlighting a half-trillion-dollar investment aimed at establishing the United States as the global leader in AI. He raises concerns about the substantial energy requirements of such an investment, questioning the sustainability and the source of the necessary electricity. [02:42]
Comparison to the Space Race
Armstrong compares the current AI race to the historical space race of the 1950s and 1960s, emphasizing the geopolitical tensions with China. He warns that if the U.S. fails to lead in AI, it could have dire consequences globally. [03:15]
Elon Musk's Concerns
The hosts discuss Elon Musk's apprehensions about the AI race becoming unethical under competitive pressures, where ethical considerations might be sidelined in favor of technological dominance. Armstrong echoes Musk's skepticism, stating, "how you're going to stop it." [04:21]
Quotes:
Sam Altman and Larry Ellison on AI Benefits
The episode includes clips from tech leaders like Sam Altman and Larry Ellison discussing the future benefits of AI. Altman expresses optimism, stating AI will "create AI and AGI in states of America" and emphasizing its positive impact on Americans and the world. [04:44]
Ellison highlights AI's transformative potential in healthcare, illustrating how AI can enhance patient care by assisting doctors with real-time data and recommendations, thereby improving medical outcomes. [05:08]
Quotes:
Potential Downsides and Ethical Dilemmas
Armstrong and Getty engage in a critical analysis of the ethical challenges posed by AI advancements. Armstrong draws parallels between AI and nuclear technology, suggesting that, much like nuclear weapons, AI could lead to significant destruction if mismanaged. He cites historical lessons from the Manhattan Project, emphasizing the inevitability of AI's integration into society despite potential risks. [09:31]
Getty introduces a provocative statement, asserting, “Best case scenario is mutually assured destruction,” referencing the precarious balance similar to nuclear deterrence. [09:27]
Quotes:
Ending DEI Programs in Federal Government
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to President Trump's executive order aimed at terminating DEI programs across federal agencies. Armstrong explains that Trump’s memorandum, titled "Ending Radical and Wasteful Government DEI Programs and Preferencing Executive Order 1-20-2025," mandates the removal of DEI officers by the close of business on the day of the order. [22:22]
Critique of DEI as Neo-Marxist Philosophy
The hosts critique DEI initiatives, arguing that they have veered away from their original intent of preventing discrimination towards embodying a neo-Marxist ideology that enforces racial consciousness and equity over meritocracy. Getty references James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose’s Cynical Theories to support their stance on DEI being fundamentally flawed and counterproductive. [32:00]
Meritocracy vs. DEI
Armstrong underscores the need to return to merit-based systems, emphasizing individual initiative, skills, and performance over DEI mandates. He argues that policies should reward merit without considering DEI factors, advocating for a pure meritocracy. [33:18]
Quotes:
Interspersed with the heavy discussions are moments of personal anecdotes and humor. Armstrong shares a relatable story about his son teaching him the iPhone’s photo editing features, highlighting the seamless integration of technology in everyday life. [41:03]
Getty and Armstrong also engage in playful banter about spelling mistakes made by Philadelphia’s mayor, Cherelle Parker, and the overreach of advertisements into dreams, adding a lighter tone to the episode. [20:29], [43:08]
Quotes:
Final Reflections on AI and DEI
As the episode concludes, Armstrong reflects on the monumental impact AI will have on future generations, expressing a desire to witness its outcomes. He contends that while AI presents significant risks, it also offers unparalleled opportunities for advancement if managed responsibly. [14:03]
Getty reinforces the belief that human ingenuity and ethical considerations will guide the positive utilization of AI, despite the challenges presented by geopolitical competition and technological autonomy. [14:48]
Final Quotes:
AI as a Double-Edged Sword: The hosts emphasize the transformative potential of AI in sectors like healthcare while cautioning against its possible misuse and ethical dilemmas, drawing parallels to nuclear technology.
Geopolitical Implications: The race for AI supremacy, particularly between the U.S. and China, is portrayed as a modern space race with significant global repercussions.
Policy Shifts in DEI: The episode critically examines the Trump administration's move to dismantle DEI programs, arguing for a return to merit-based systems and highlighting the perceived failures of DEI initiatives.
Ethical Management of Technology: Armstrong and Getty stress the importance of responsible AI development, fearing that without ethical oversight, AI could lead to societal harm.
Human Resilience and Innovation: Despite the challenges, the hosts maintain a cautiously optimistic view, believing in humanity's capacity to harness AI for positive outcomes.
This episode provides listeners with a comprehensive analysis of the intersection between technological advancements and political decisions, offering nuanced perspectives on how these elements shape our present and future society.