Enormous Horses

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "Enormous Horses"

Date: September 16, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty delves into a whirlwind of current events and cultural contrasts, focusing largely on the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination, reactions across the political spectrum, the state of discourse in America, parallels between the U.S. and Great Britain, and the cultural symbolism of pageantry (and, yes, horses) in global politics. The hosts navigate through listener insights, media analysis, and their distinct blend of humor and critique.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Israel’s Gaza City Invasion and Global News Priorities

• [03:49–04:59] The show opens with Netanyahu named “General Manager,” in reference to Israel’s military assault on Gaza City, juxtaposed against media fixation with the Charlie Kirk shooting.
  • “The invasion of Gaza City has begun...the end stage of the battle to disarm Hamas. In spite of all the warnings, I would characterize them as whinings...It has begun.” (Jack Armstrong, 04:03)
  • The hosts comment on how the Kirk assassination dominates the news cycle, pushing even major international events to the sidelines.

2. Charlie Kirk Assassination: Public and Media Responses

• [04:27–07:55] A deep dive into the ongoing obsession with the Kirk shooting:
  • Discussion about the suspect’s confession and bizarre apology within online gaming circles.
  • “Guys, it was me. I’m sorry about all of this.” (Jack Armstrong quoting the shooter’s online statement, 07:09)
  • Theorizing why the confessed assassin isn’t grandstanding or justifying his actions, suggesting he may be protecting online associates.
  • The politicization and extreme reactions, with both hosts expressing concern about the climate that tolerates or celebrates violence against political opposition.

3. Media Bias & Political Tribes

• [09:04–11:25] Armstrong & Getty discuss Bill Maher’s remarks on polarization and unwillingness of the left to engage opposing viewpoints:
  • “Say what you want about the right wingers, but they’ll talk to you...The lefties want nothing to do with anybody who disagrees with them. You’re unclean, you’re a horror, you’re subhuman. That’s sick. That’s a sickness.” (Jack Armstrong, 09:04)
  • The “Coming Out Conservative” joke, suggesting a national day for conservatives to reveal their ideology in the face of social ostracism.

4. Motives & Media Narratives

• [11:25–12:16] Strong criticism of news outlets for equivocation or denial regarding motive.
  • “CBS, with their coverage yesterday, had their guest on saying, ‘motive remains elusive. It’s not driven by an obvious political ideology.’” (Jack Armstrong, 11:25)
  • Both hosts mock the idea that Kirk’s assassination motive was unclear.

5. Horses and Pageantry: Trump’s State Visit to the UK

• [12:16–13:23] An extended detour into the remarkable (and symbolic) detail that, for Trump’s state dinner in Britain, there will be “more horses than for Macron.”
  • “They’re gonna have more horses because they got to make it clear that the special relationship is even...It is. We have the most horses. The best horses. Many people say our horses are the best that have ever trotted.” (Jack Armstrong, channeling “Trump,” 13:11)
  • Satirical riffing on Trump’s likely pride at the pageantry escalates into commentary about the odd persistence of monarchic symbols in democracies.

6. Parallels Between Britain and U.S. Societal Woes

• [13:23–16:10] Armstrong shares insights from a British columnist about the UK’s resemblance to the U.S. in terms of:
  • Store theft, crime, illegal immigration, both major parties’ ineffectiveness, exploding national debt.
  • “You could have taken Britain out of it and put in the United States and it was exactly the same thing. Endless theft at stores...Illegal immigration, crime running rampant. So broke...” (Jack Armstrong, 13:31)

7. Root Causes: Demographics, Immigration, and the Welfare State

• [15:28–16:10] Speculation on why Western democracies have embraced unchecked immigration and tolerate rising crime.
  • Joe posits the need for increased young workforce to sustain Ponzi-scheme-like welfare states:
  • “The Ponzi scheme absolutely depends on increasing the population of young people, specifically young workers. And you're not having babies, Western world.” (Jack Armstrong, 15:28)

8. Robert Redford’s Passing

• [17:01–17:29; 20:37–21:15; 44:17–44:27] News of the iconic actor’s death prompts reflections on generational fame and cultural legacy.

9. Headlines & Quick Takes

• [21:15–23:15] Katie Green delivers headline round-up:
  • Kirk assassin’s Discord confession
  • Jewish students hiding religious identity
  • The Hamas mouthpiece’s response to Free Palestine Emmys message
  • Average child’s allowance over $100 per month

10. Cheering Murder: The Unthinkable Online Reaction

• [27:12–29:57] Armstrong & Getty express horror at online celebrations of both Kirk’s and United Healthcare CEO’s assassinations:
  • “A number of people...have been posting gleeful, celebratory, sarcastic celebrations of the cold blooded murder of a young father.” (Joe Getty, 28:08)
  • Both criticize the moral rot that enables such discourse, but discuss shades of clarity between different high-profile killings.

11. Microsoft Employee Fallout & DEI Hypocrisy

• [30:06–34:36] Played clips of a former Microsoft DEI chief lamenting his firing after expressing glee at Kirk’s death.
  • Key audio:
    • “On a weekend, I’m told that I am no longer employed at Microsoft. Yes, because you’re an idiot.” (Joe Getty, 30:25)
    • “It is not okay to target me because I felt joy that day. I can’t help how I feel. I felt joy.” (Microsoft Employee, 31:49)
  • The hosts highlight his lack of responsibility and note the striking contrast between his advocacy for ideological policing (DEI) and outrage upon being judged by his own public beliefs.

12. Cancel Culture: Morality vs. Mob Justice

• [37:31–40:45] Joe and Jack weigh the difference between cancel culture for offending woke sensibilities and firing people who celebrate murder.
  • “Not celebrating cold blooded murder is blanking universal in the western world.” (Jack Armstrong, 39:00)
  • Distinguish between firing for anodyne “all lives matter” posts versus genuinely horrific behavior.

13. Echo Chambers & Social Media

• [34:36–36:39] Analysis of how people on the left may be genuinely shocked at controversy, accustomed to social support from all sides.
  • “If you lean right, it’s every single time you flip on the tv...If you lean left, you don’t turn on mainstream television and have to hear things you hate politically. Ever.” (Joe Getty, 09:53)
  • “The lack of awareness is just difficult for me to comprehend.” (Jack Armstrong, 36:43)

14. Listener Mailbag

• [45:16–48:34] Selected listener emails:
  • Noting the normalization of glee at Kirk’s death even among non-fringe liberals
  • Pointing out the irony/hypocrisy of DEI creators being fired for viewpoint discrimination
  • Listeners vent about self-care routines and societal polarization

15. Freedom-Loving Quote of the Day

• [44:27–45:16] J.K. Rowling is quoted:
  • “If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you’re a terrorist.” (J.K. Rowling, quoted by Jack Armstrong, 45:02)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Gaza Invasion
  “The invasion of Gaza City has begun, we're told, end stage of the battle to disarm Hamas. In spite of all the warnings, I would characterize them as whinings...”
  — Jack Armstrong, [04:03]

• On the Kirk Assassin’s Silence
  “Why hasn't he gone full soapbox statement advocating his beliefs? Because he's absolutely caught dead to rights.”
  — Jack Armstrong, [05:42]

• On Partisan Dialogue
  “Say what you want about the right wingers, but they'll talk to you...The, the lefties want nothing to do with anybody who disagrees with them. You're unclean, you're a horror, you're subhuman. That's sick. That's a sickness.”
  — Jack Armstrong, [09:04]

• Mocking the Obvious Motive
  “Oh my God. He said, I hate Charlie Kirk, and then he killed him because of his politics. Because of his politics...Good Lord. The motive remains elusive.”
  — Jack Armstrong, [11:40]

• On Horses & Trump in the UK
  “We have the most horses. The best horses. Many people say our horses are the best that have ever trotted.”
  — Jack Armstrong (parodying Trump), [13:11]

• Parallels with the UK
  “You could have taken Britain out of it and put in the United States, and it was exactly the same thing. Endless theft at stores...So broke. And neither party has any interest in doing anything about it at this point.”
  — Jack Armstrong, [13:31]

• On Western Welfare State Demographics
  “The Ponzi scheme absolutely depends on increasing the population on young people, specifically young workers. And you're not having babies, Western world.”
  — Jack Armstrong, [15:28]

• On Cheering Assassination Online
  "A number of people...have been posting gleeful, celebratory, sarcastic celebrations of the cold blooded murder of a young father."
  — Joe Getty, [28:08]

• On Cancel Culture vs. Moral Universals
  “Not celebrating cold blooded murder is blanking universal in the western world.”
  — Jack Armstrong, [39:00]

• J.K. Rowling’s Test for Liberalism
  “If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you’re a terrorist.”
  — Jack Armstrong quoting J.K. Rowling, [45:02]

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Memorable Moments

• The “Enormous Horses” Bit (12:45–13:23):
  Jack and Joe riffing, Trump-style, on British pageantry: “We have the most horses. The best horses...”

• The DEI Chief’s Meltdown (30:25–32:04):
  A laid-off Microsoft employee’s self-righteous post-layoff lament: "It is not okay to target me because I felt joy that day. I can't help how I feel. I felt joy."

• Proposing a “Conservative Coming Out Day” (10:25–11:25):
  In jest, suggesting a mass public declaration: “Maybe we ought to have some sort of Coming out as a conservative movement...October 16th will be coming out. I'm out and I'm proud.”

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Conclusion

This episode provides a sharp, wide-ranging exploration of American political culture in 2025, with incisive critique, satire, and audience interaction. The hosts highlight a sense of moral dislocation and polarization, anxious about the willingness of some to cheer violence against political adversaries, and ponder the “new normal” on both sides of the Atlantic. Throughout, Armstrong & Getty keep their trademark blend of gravitas and humor, challenging listeners while keeping things lively and accessible.

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For first-time or casual listeners, this summary encapsulates the episode's rich dialogue—balancing hard news, cultural analysis, and irrepressible banter—as well as the complex, sometimes uncomfortable realities of modern American discourse.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

From Studio C. Si, senor. This is the dimly lit room deep.

[Joe Getty]

Within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound on Tuesday, and we're under the tutelage of our general manager, Benjamin Netanyahu. He is the prime Minister of Israel. Why is he our general manager?

[Jack Armstrong]

That is correct. The invasion of Gaza City has begun, we're told, the end stage of the battle to disarm Hamas. In spite of all the warnings, I would characterize them as whinings by various people on the political scene. It has begun.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if he didn't adjust his timing.

[Jack Armstrong]

For.

[Joe Getty]

The Charlie Cook shooting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kirk.

[Joe Getty]

Kirk. God, I did it again. The Charlie Kirk shooting coverage, then, you know, it's a heck of a good coincidence for Israel because that would be the number one story on every cable news channel. Except for it's not. Because still obsessing about everything that is the assassination of Charlie Kirk, for better or worse. I'm kind of surprised we're on day five of it being not only the lead story, but practically the only story on cable news.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I just think people are generally aware that something has broken and more and more people are more and more aware of that. And anything other than that seems insignificant.

[Joe Getty]

Could be.

[Jack Armstrong]

To a lot of folks.

[Joe Getty]

Could be.

[Jack Armstrong]

You can't disagree with their conclusion.

[Joe Getty]

No, that conversation is at the highest level. The intricacies of the charges don't fascinate me that much, but that's just me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fair enough.

[Joe Getty]

You know, there's a. Here's a federal charge and there's. Then they'll be in court and here's your hearing and just that sort of stuff. I don't get that excited about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Yeah, I would agree with that. Although. Well, it's going to feature in Mailbag. But we got a great note from a listener who was wondering why the shooter. Should I bother saying alleged at this point? He's confessed.

[Joe Getty]

What's he going to sue you?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, the assassin. Why hasn't he gone full soapbox statement advocating his beliefs? Because he's absolutely caught dead to rights. And this emailer's theory is that there was indeed foreknowledge among his community of ultra online tough talking gamer geek buddies, but they had no idea that he was actually the sort of guy who would do it. And he's trying to save their skins as his final act of friendship.

[Joe Getty]

That makes more sense because if you're an outspoken advocate of something and you assassinate for somebody because you think you're on the right side of history and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Went to the trouble of writing messages.

[Joe Getty]

On the bullets, you usually say it out loud because you think you will be well judged by history as a hero or at least.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And yeah. And he's still claiming he didn't do it, so. That's a good point. So apparently he was talking about it like on Discord, like the way gamers talk to each other. Yeah, that whole gaming world.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and he posted. Guys, it was me. I'm sorry about all of this.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, okay. Well, thanks for your apology.

[Joe Getty]

So how do you take that? Why did he say that?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. I think with a low degree of certainty. He knew that his cohort had been talking about this sort of thing and fantasizing about it and maybe even had foreknowledge of it as those seven social media accounts we talked about yesterday, the exclusive in the Washington Free Beacon. He knew he had brought enormous trouble to them. Those birds haven't come home to roost yet, but I think he thinks they will.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I was reading. I don't know if they've released the latest Bill Maher video yet, but he was recording the day Charlie Kirk was shot and he had just done one of his basement conversations with him just a couple of months ago. I watched it over the weekend and it's such a good, calm conversation. I mean, it's just so good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I suggest you find it on YouTube.

[Jack Armstrong]

And a model of what our politics ought to be.

[Joe Getty]

It's just so good. And he obviously liked the guy and is just so disturbed by the politics getting out of hand where you can't have the kind of conversations where Bill Maher has, you know, a conservative in and talks to him as he was making the point. There are lots of people that want to kill both of them. And Charlie Kirk.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And in. And he pointed out there are all lefties that want to kill both of them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Mar made a statement the other day. I can't remember if we had the audio about how now it's from that show.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it was, yeah. Which I don't think is aired yet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Yeah, he was talking to, I think, Billy Corgan of.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

Smashing Pumpkins.

[Joe Getty]

That's right. Interestingly enough, today is the greatest day I've ever known.

[Jack Armstrong]

Happy for you. Anyway, he was saying that, look, say what you want about the right wingers, but they'll talk to you and you can talk to them and they'll answer your questions and they're happy to chat with you. The, the lefties want nothing to do with anybody who disagrees with them. You're, you're unclean, you're a horror, you're subhuman. That's, that's sick. That's a sickness. And that it doesn't exist exclusively on the left, obviously. But I would suggest culturally that is more the norm for reasons we've discussed a hundred times. If you're conservative, you're surrounded by progressive media and education, maybe your church, people you work with who are more than happy to tell you what you think. And you just think, well, all right, you're misguided, but you're a nice person.

[Joe Getty]

Tuning into the Emmys, oh, Lord, well, that's a mistake. But if you're a lefty, you don't turn on mainstream television and have to hear things you hate politically. Ever. Ever. Like never once in your life do you go to a concert or a movie or flip on some TV show and have to hear politics you hate. If you lean left, ever, if you lean right, it's every single time you flip on the tv, every concert you go to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So I think that does have something to do with it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, in a lot of left America imagines, and Bill Maher was addressing this in his remarks, imagines that anybody who disagrees with them on the right is just a bloodthirsty, wild eyed lunatic or an actual fascist or something. They actually believe it because they've never met one. It was like, and this is an odd parallel, but one of the successful facets of the gay rights movement was that, hey, the San Francisco, was it Folsom Street Leather Fair is not what being gay is. That's a bunch freaks. It's your accountant, it's your next door neighbor, it's your co worker, it's, you know, whatever, your orthodontist. And that, that demystified the idea for a lot of people. Well, maybe we ought to have some sort of Coming out as a conservative movement. Let's pick a day. What's a month from today? We gotta get organized. October 16th will be coming out. I'm out and I'm proud. Lean a little.

[Joe Getty]

Right. So I just came across this on Twitter. Somebody's pointing out that cbs, with their coverage yesterday, had somebody their guest on saying, motive remains elusive. It's not driven by an obvious political ideology.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. I saw that on. Where else did I. I've seen that on several different. Oh, my God. Alphabet news networks. Oh, wow. He said, I hate Charlie Kirk, and then he killed him because of his politics. Because of his politics. I'm thinking, oh, I lost a thread. That's too complicated. Good Lord. The motive remains elusive. The guy went on and on at dinner till people were like, oh, geez, would you shut up about how much he despised Charlie Kirk. So, God, what's it like to be that blind?

[Joe Getty]

So Trump is in England today for his second state dinner with the Prime Minister, and he's gonna hang out with King Charles. First time any president's had two of those two state dinners in Great Britain. But here's the big thing. Yes, There are going to be more horses for Trump than there was for Macron. Good. They're gonna have more horses because they got to make it clear that the special relationship is even. Because they remember the thing with Macron, like, a couple of weeks ago. It was over the top.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

In terms of pageantry, and I hate the pageantry. I mean, God, no kidding. No. No surprise that France and Great Britain do it. Most of their lives. They had kings and queens that ran the place. But I hate the pageantry. It's just the wrong image for everything that says democracy. But Trump's going to be there, and they're going to make sure they have more horses for him than they had for Macron.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is a very Trumpy thing.

[Joe Getty]

It is. It is.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is. We have the most horses. The best horses. Many people say our horses are the best that have ever trotted.

[Joe Getty]

Biggest horses I've ever seen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. In Armist horses. Some people say they're the biggest horses.

[Joe Getty]

Ever seen, but they're gonna announce some sort of nuclear deal. But the reason I brought it up, and I want to talk about this more later, man. I was listening to a podcast over the weekend and yesterday with a writer from the Telegraph. He's a columnist from the Telegraph, talking about the troubles Great Britain has. And you could have. It was. I don't know how I didn't know this, but you could have taken Britain out of it and put in the United States. And it was exactly the same thing. Endless theft at stores where things are locked up. Illegal immigration, crime running rampant. So broke. And neither party has any interest in doing anything about it at this point. The Conservatives have given up also. It's exactly the same situation. So how is that? What is driving that?

[Jack Armstrong]

And listen to this. There were gigantic marches again all over Britain two days ago.

[Joe Getty]

I think it was. I saw that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've got a great story on that coming up. You haven't heard a word about it.

[Joe Getty]

Got very little coverage. There are hundreds of thousands of people in the street. Enormous anti immigration marches.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And anti government marches essentially because the government brought this upon them. They allowed it. They encouraged it. They're still encouraging it.

[Joe Getty]

The Reform Party is going to win the next election and that Nigel Lafarge guy is going to end up being the head dude and that is going to be one of the biggest political earthquakes in any of our lives. It'd be like if some. If the Tea Party had won the next election in the United States.

[Glenn Washington]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Back in 2010. That's what's going to happen in Great Britain because the Conservatives are out and the. And labor is out because nobody, nobody likes either one of them anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

That's wild. But they are, they are not. They're. They're worse than us, but not quite as bad as France in terms of their. Their debt. But they're exactly the same thing. Their two main parties have decided, well, you can't get elected by running on. We can't keep spending like this. It's a disaster. So they just ignore it.

[Jack Armstrong]

How did.

[Joe Getty]

But how did that happen? How do they have the combination of immigration crime not being punished and spending by on their means just like we do. What's in the water that's made that happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would suggest a large measure of it. Nobody ever talks about this, but I will continue because I remain uncontradicted. Is the fact that the Ponzi scheme absolutely depends on increasing the population on young people, specifically young workers. And you're not having babies. Western world. And so for the very same reasons, Germany and France and the United States have opened their borders. Britain did the same. They're desperate for young workers to support the social safety net Ponzi scheme. And with that it requires all sorts of leftist programs just to let it kind of lubricate it happening.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we'll have to talk about that later. Cause yeah. The letting crime go. Why do we both do that at the same time. Anyway, let's start the show officially before we get in trouble. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Tuesday, September 16, the year 2025, or Armstrong and getting. We approve of this program.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, let's begin then. Officially, according to FCC rules and regulations. Here we go at mark. Come on. Just one clear shot. That's all I want. We got to.

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Get away from me.

[Joe Getty]

Why?

[Jack Armstrong]

I want to fight him.

[Joe Getty]

They'll kill us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe.

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You want to die?

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you? All right, I'll jump first. Nope. Then you jump first.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I said, what's the matter with you?

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't swim.

[Joe Getty]

The jump will kill you is the next line. That's from Butch Cashid in the Sundance Kid. One of the biggest movie stars of all time, Robert Redford has died. Almost outlived his fame, as sometimes the people do, because you almost got to be 55 to remember him at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know about that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, his big movies were when we were little kids and we're old.

[Jack Armstrong]

He had a number that were pretty big too. He's big director, producer.

[Joe Getty]

True that. Anyway, we got a lot more to talk about. Headlines on the way. Stay here.

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[Joe Getty]

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And I don't know the answer to this, but, Katie, you're young. Was Robert Redford mean anything to you as a movie star?

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He does. From what?

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I. I'm not. I. I just know who he is. I'm. I don't know a lot of his.

[Jack Armstrong]

His roles. Right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You got to be old to have seen him in movies. Really. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

But you. You.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we don't have time to discuss this. Let's. It's very late. Very late. We'll discuss Robert in Long Legacy Center.

[Joe Getty]

What, you mean big picture, it's very.

[Jack Armstrong]

Late, or you just mean like, no, it's late. I'm looking at the clock. Okay, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green.

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Katie, starting with the Washington Post, quote, it was me suspect and Charlie Kirk shooting appeared to confess in Discord Chat.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, we were just discussing that.

[Joe Getty]

Last segment and why he isn't standing up for his. What he believes. Why isn't he doing that? From the.

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[Joe Getty]

I don't doubt that a bit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, because they're afraid of the right. Well, actually, they are. So some of the fringe woke right is blatantly anti Semitic, but on campuses it's because the left.

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From the New York Post Hamas mouthpiece praises hack star Hannah Edinburgh's Free Palestine Emmys message but censors her bare shoulders in the video.

[Joe Getty]

I didn't know that.

[Jack Armstrong]

We never played that yesterday. But.

[Joe Getty]

And so somebody went on an anti Israel rant, but they. They censored her bare shoulders. Yeah, that would be too much for the children or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Too much shallow, idiotic virtue signaling. Well, no, no. She said in the Muslim world.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, gotcha.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're outraged. Yeah.

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[Joe Getty]

I could believe that with inflation. Yeah. $100 ain't what it used to be.

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[Jack Armstrong]

$25 a week.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's not hard to do at all.

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Actually. Let's go to the Babylon be fraud alert triggered as wife's credit card used to spend less than $100 at Target.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, that's a perfect thing to fit in with your allowance thing. I mean, you know, I go to the grocery store to just get a couple of things and it's a hundred bucks.

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Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So it shows you how easy you know what a hundred dollars is.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. $3 a week was good enough for me. It's good enough for my kids. A quarter Thrifty.

[Joe Getty]

A quarter. Take out the trash. Seems reasonable. Just like it was when I was right. We got some more news of the day to get to and there's a fair amount of it. As always, if you missed a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jacob Goldstein]

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[Joe Getty]

That's odoo.com cracker barrel announced yesterday that the company does not have a DEI.

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Department or use those practices while hiring.

[Jack Armstrong]

In fact, they don't use ask you anything before hiring you. You can start today. That's kind of funny, but is there some narrative that Cracker Barrel is desperate for workers?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't get that. I'm guessing Seth Meyers has never been in a Cracker Barrel, so no, wouldn't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Set foot in one stick advert.

[Joe Getty]

So it's pretty interesting that Luigi Mangione, he's the scumbag political assassin who killed the United Healthcare CEO in New York. And then you got first court appearance today for scumbag shooter of Charlie Kirk. Both young male political assassins who aren't crazy by definition. I generally, no, they're not out of their minds. The guy that killed that poor girl on the train, he's completely crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

So then you got it. That topic has got to be why did we let a crazy person, crazy violent person, roam around the streets for so long? But you can't really blame him. But you got two political assassins that are gonna be in courtrooms today. And you know, figuring out where we go as a culture is a big thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. So an interesting offshoot of the horrible assassination of Mr. Kirk has been the fact that a number of people, a shocking number of people on the left of center online world have been posting gleeful, celebratory, sarcastic celebrations of the cold blooded murder of a young father.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you know, I could say let's compare and contrast. You're going to have people. There are people right now I'm looking at the TV outside the courtroom in New York City cheering Luigi Mangione, the murderer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Why are, why do they get to.

[Joe Getty]

Do it out loud and not get the same sort of social pushback that the people cheering Charlie Kirk's death are? They're both as horrific in my opinion.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Morally speaking to me, the Charlie thing is just so stark and clear. His message was the excuse to murder him. I don't like his ideas, I don't like his words. I'm going to murder him. And then in turn, I'm so happy he got murdered. The healthcare CEO, that morally speaking to me, it's clear enough, but it's not quite as a b. Because healthcare in this country is screwed up. Insurance companies have various practices that many people find loathsome. Profit over humanity, blah, blah, blah, lobbyists. And it's just, it's a little more cloudy to make the case again. It's not difficult to me, but it's just not quite as obvious.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but man, you got people cheering the guy who's gonna be in court who killed another dad with young kids, the CEO of United Healthcare. It's so freaking sick.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, trust me, at its core, I agree with you 100%. Hey, Michael, need a couple of clips. Microsoft guy from yesterday, let's trot him out again. Clip 50 first shaven headed, bearded, nose, ringed Microsoft employee who posted Glee Online.

[Joe Getty]

Over Charlie Kirk being murdered on the day that he was shot. I said some things on Blue sky and on threads that I. I'm sorry. Not sorry for, but I said them, and I deleted them when it was requested that I do so by my employer. And then today, on a weekend. On a weekend, I'm told that I am no longer employed at Microsoft. Yes, because you're an idiot. After six years of idiocy, building the diversity, equity, and inclusion department from scratch.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, is that it? All right, next clip. And enjoy how he takes zero responsibility.

[Joe Getty]

I lose my job because one of you, some random person reports my posts to my employer, goes out of their way to find out where I work, and takes my job, takes my security away from me for a thought, for an opinion. And you talk about freedom of speech like you care about it, and you're just gonna take my. My money, my life, my food off my plate because I don't like Charlie Kirk. That's not okay. It is not okay to target me because I felt joy that day. I can't help how I feel. I felt joy. That's me. That's what I believe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

That's what I think of Avian. I can't help that.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, So I don't deserve the job. I want to say he was unclear on the concept, but there are so many different concepts. He's unclear. I don't know where to start.

[Joe Getty]

He is, in an odd way, kind of a. An avatar of a whole bunch of those kind of points of view that I don't agree with. He's got the whole I'm owed a job thing because I worked hard. You can work as hard as you want, and if a company decides to downsize, they get rid of you. That's not what happened here. They think you're a nut because of your ridiculous posting, and they don't want you working there, which is perfectly reasonable.

[Jack Armstrong]

And to him, the criminal act was reporting what he said, which his company found so despicable. They said, you can't work here anymore. So the big bad thing that happened in his mind is the reporting of it.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and the. The. And the whole crazy thing that a lot of people on the left have of. You know, these are my feelings. You can't tell me. I. My feelings are wrong. Well, you. You can. I can tell you to keep them to yourself. Yeah, you got to keep your feelings to yourself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So there you go. You want to go. You want to go home and be happy for somebody's death. Even though that's really twisted, I guess I can't stop you, but keep it to yourself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. Boy, there's a lot there. Anyway, the Wall Street Journal now on the beat workers are getting fired over posts mocking Charlie Kirk's death. Campaigns to alert employers to contentious posts are posing new challenges for boss bosses. This is very different from past political controversies at work. They quote somebody as saying, well, before.

[Joe Getty]

You get to that, because that might answer the question, I'll ask this. Are people getting fired because companies think this is going to really bring some pressure upon us, or are the people getting fired because companies are thinking, you're not the kind of person I want around here?

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably both.

[Joe Getty]

I think it's the latter, mostly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And I mean, if we had somebody.

[Joe Getty]

Post around here, I wouldn't think it's going to damage the operation. I just don't want you around. You're a nut.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. You know, I've been thinking about this a lot because I am a crusader for free speech rights everywhere, all the time. And he invoked the question of free speech. Of course, as I often say, yes, you have the freedom to express your ideas, but if people find your ideas loathsome, they are going to react badly to them. Why do you express yourself if you don't expect your words to have an effect of some sort of.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the difference.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the only effect you want is people in your tribe to give you a slap on the back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And I was talking to a friend recently who lives in a blue state and works in a blue industry and said the level of assumption that everybody agrees with this and the complete blindness to the idea that even in a blue state, 43% of people disagree with.

[Joe Getty]

Right. That's another example of what we were talking about earlier, how if you're a conservative, you're faced with politics you don't. Like always from birth.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And if you lean left, your teacher agrees with you. The guy on the Emmys agrees with you, the guy at the concert you went to agrees with you. So you just assume everybody agrees with you.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I think it's this.

[Joe Getty]

If I post something controversy, controversial, which I have, and do I expect pushback?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. But if you're.

[Joe Getty]

If you lean left, you probably post.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stuff just expecting kudos. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Because you're surrounded by people in social media and on TV and all the things I just mentioned who agree with you.

[Jack Armstrong]

And because you've bullied your co workers into silence about what they think.

[Joe Getty]

So you're shocked that somebody's upset with it. That is interesting. I post expecting this could start a real war. Yeah, they, they post thinking people are going to love me for this.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just, I don't, I can't understand how people fail to grasp the reality of people who disagree with them. It's as if that 43% in the bluest of blue states, there's probably something close to that. It's as if they're a quiet sound in the distance. They can't quite make out. They're dimly aware of it, but they can't quite comprehend it. I don't know, it's weird. It's. It's difficult to explain because I don't live in that world.

[Joe Getty]

But how do you think Trump got elected if you think everybody agrees with you? I guess you think they're all somewhere.

[Jack Armstrong]

Else or they're all ugly, fascist, racist stereotypes.

[Joe Getty]

Couldn't be my co workers or neighbors or the people at this backyard barbecue.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right. Again, the lack of awareness is just difficult for me to comprehend. So the outcry over employees comments on Kirk have posed challenges for employers. The Journal is saying they quote a associate general counsel and vice president of HR for a big company, this is very different. I don't really feel like there was a time when you could have an individual make a statement on their personal social media and have their employer receive thousands of phone calls and then they go through a long list of employers who've gotten those phone calls and have taken action against employees or fired them or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, if you're a boss and you have both those, you have the, I don't want somebody who thinks is working around here and I'm getting endless phone calls. Yeah, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Britain and they stopped him to ask some questions and of course to go on about Robert Redford because he's old. That's his heyday.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy. So here's to me a giant fundamental difference between canceling somebody who tweeted all lives matter and firing somebody who takes glee in the murder of Charlie Kirk. The former the BLM woke up crowd going after people. The cancel culture thing was over fringe political opinions nobody had heard of five years ago, ten years ago, certainly five years ago then. And it was merely threats of damage done by activists on the left again on principles that people are like, what are you talking about? It was sheer ideological brutality. This is calling out somebody who celebrates a cold blooded murder, not celebrating cold blooded murder is blanking universal in the western world.

[Joe Getty]

That's true. You'd have to compare it to people and I don't know anybody who did this, who posted. I'm glad George Floyd got killed, but nobody was posting that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right. Yeah. To even point out, look, this guy shouldn't have died, but he wasn't a saint. I mean, he was a drug addict and a, you know, and a criminal and the rest of it. You could lose your job over that by the sheer viciousness of the mob. Celebrating cold blooded murder is not a Johnny come lately in the university subculture. New idea. It's horrific. My God, the Old Testament was written thousands of years ago and it's right in there.

[Joe Getty]

Well, again, without the morality of it, it's the end of civilization or certainly self governance.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. So I believe it's fundamentally different. You know, I say call somebody in and talk to them. You don't need to summarily fire them.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, I don't know, but that's up to you. I don't know, man. I mean, some of the posts that are just so clearly blatantly gleeful about his death. I don't want you around me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

You're broken. We got mailbag on the way. Trump, of course, saying interesting things. The TikTok deal. Do you know what the TikTok deal is? I don't quite get it having heard the details today. Stay tuned for all this.

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Host of KQD Snap Judgment Podcast. And at Snap, we don't just tell stories, we live them. Every week a different journey, like on a plane with Rihanna, A racetrack in Tijuana, A year inside an Oakland homeless encampment. Real people, real voices with original music and cinematic sound. Snap Judgment from kqed New episodes every Thursday. Wherever you get your podcasts, this is.

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[Joe Getty]

I guess my continuing point is every clip I've seen from a Robert Redfear movie on TV so far today has been from something from the early, early 70s or late 60s.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, that's 50 years ago. Indeed. He was an old fellow. He was very old. Very old male. I'm sorry. Freedom loving quote of the day, all discombobulated. This is from the great J.K. rowling, who just posted this online. If you believe free speech is for you but not your political opponents, you're illiberal. If no contrary evidence could change your beliefs, you're a fundamentalist. If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you're a totalitarian. If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you're a terrorist.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Some people think she should be put in Slytherin for that, you know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well played, Phil. Nonimous in Salt Lake says, may I add, if you are incapable of contemplating this because of who wrote it, you have been brainwashed.

[Joe Getty]

Ah, that's a good one.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good one, Phil. Anonymous. Well done, mailbag. Drop us a note. Mailbagarmstrongandgetti.com Move swiftly here. Sean writes. Guys, I must admit it's been difficult to listen to blah, blah, blah. He's taking issue with the idea that only the fringe of the left is celebrating this shooting. That has not been my experience at all. Having close friends who I consider middle of the road liberals overhearing conversations out and about, and of course Twitter and even dating apps. I've come across so many who cannot even fake a bit of sympathy. At best, saying that spreading hate will put a target on your back. At worst, expressing glee and unrestrained giddiness.

[Joe Getty]

Dating apps. People have these conversations on dating apps.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. All right, thanks for the conversation, Sean. Yeah. At best, they're saying, look, you say hateful things, it's gonna put a target on your back. Wow. All right, let's see. This is Adam. Whether or not people agree that the Microsoft guy should get fired over his tweets, I find one thing interesting. He said he created the Microsoft DEI program from scratch. He's also complaining about being fired for his views. And people online found out of his beliefs, which he willingly posted. How Many people lost jobs or didn't get hired because of this guy. This is the DEI guy at Microsoft.

[Joe Getty]

Good one.

[Jack Armstrong]

How many qualified people who maybe shared some of their beliefs, not that it matters, didn't get a job because of his almighty DEI position?

[Joe Getty]

Good point.

[Jack Armstrong]

This smacks of the left demanding the government force us to wear masks for Covid and now wants ICE agents not to wear masks while arresting criminals. The hypocrisy is palpable and disgusting. It's a good point about the DEI department. Let's see. Why don't we jump over to this one. Oh, I like this Shelby from Elklus Grove, California. She's really troubled by Elk Grove having no elk. I was catching up on the Fabulous Angie podcast. You briefly mentioned people you knew of who found it relaxing to end their day watching the news rant about how much they hated Trump. Right? They referred to this as some kind of self care, right? It worries me that there are so many people that mentally and emotionally unstable. My completely sane self care routine is as follows. 1. Relaxing music 2. Scented candles 3. Reading a book, specifically Dante's Inferno. So I can imagine to which circle of hell each politician, celebrity and public figure would be assigned. Maybe we're not that different anyway. Owen2 Nice. Oh, I need a laugh. That's beautiful. Let's see. Do we have any more? How much time do we have? Michael got about 40 seconds. It was Dr. J in Charleston, South Carolina who pointed out the reason the shooter is not cooperating with authorities is because he had shared his plans with some of his extremist buddies who successfully kept the secret. The authorities have this loser dead to rights. There'd be no reason for him not to go full ideological squawk box right now. Except that it would compromise the people who are also liable to be participating in this conspiracy. Perhaps just shooting off their mouths online, I suspect. But if they knew and didn't come forward with the plans, they've committed a crime.

[Joe Getty]

Get ready to hear the word genocide a lot in the next 48 hours as Israel has gone into Gaza to finally wrap this thing up.

[Jack Armstrong]

It looks like Armstrong and Gettysburg stop.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Ugh.

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Come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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This is an Iheart podcast.