Evil, Purple Haired Hag

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Evil, Purple Haired Hag (April 30, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand dives into the dysfunction of Congressional hearings, particularly focusing on an explosive exchange between EPA administrator Lee Zeldin and Representative Rosa DeLauro. The hosts ridicule the current state of legislative oversight, highlight failures in political leadership, touch on broader themes of governance, totalitarianism, and American decline, and offer biting commentary on recent political and judicial events—including the ongoing war with Iran and assassination attempt coverage.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Dysfunction of Congressional Hearings ([03:31]–[14:47])

• Set-Up:

  • Jack Armstrong introduces a heated hearing where Rep. Rosa DeLauro (called the "purple haired progressive hag horror from Connecticut") questions EPA administrator Lee Zeldin.
  • Armstrong explains Congressional seniority rules and the concentration of power among aging, entrenched members, regardless of competence.

• Congressional Exchange:

  • DeLauro interrogates Zeldin about the EPA's approach to climate change, accusing the agency of siding with polluters.
  • Zeldin rebuts that DeLauro is unfamiliar with key Supreme Court cases (Loper Bright, major policies doctrine, Michigan v. EPA, West Virginia v. EPA) that restrict EPA authority, to which DeLauro grows defensive.
  • The hosts and producer Michael provide withering play-by-play, mocking DeLauro’s ignorance and lack of curiosity, stressing how this illustrates broader failures in Congressional oversight.

• Tone & Quotes:

  • Hosts are irreverent, sarcastic, and openly contemptuous toward DeLauro (“old hag”, “half-witted demagoguing old hag”).
  • Armstrong: "This is no way to run a country. And it happens on both sides." ([09:38])
  • Michael: "[Politicians] have a complete lack of curiosity. That's what's amazing to me." ([09:58])

2. The State of American Governance ([10:07]–[14:41])

• Partisanship Over Policy:
  • The hosts lament that Congressional hearings have become “partisan gotcha fests” rather than real conversations.
  • Refer to ex-Senator Ben Sasse’s suggestion of removing cameras from Congress to foster genuine, less performative dialogue.
• Campaigning vs. Governing:
  • Armstrong speculates that DeLauro likely used her performance for fundraising, highlighting the disconnect between political incentives and good governance.

3. Glyphosate, Insults, and Congressional Decorum ([12:44])

• Memorable Hearing Moment:
  • DeLauro pivots back to the issue of glyphosate (the active ingredient in Roundup).
  • Zeldin sarcastically tells DeLauro, “if your cup was filled with glyphosate, you probably shouldn’t drink it,” to which DeLauro responds, “maybe you should try doing that.”
  • Michael: "[She] instructed the person she’s debating to kill himself on the House floor, apparently." ([13:32])

4. Assassination Attempt & Secret Service Debacle ([19:07]–[23:43])

• Recap of the Allen Incident:
  • Brief court recap on Cole Allen, the would-be assassin targeting the President.
  • Commentary on his psychological profile: “the oddest combination of sane and smart and crazy.”
  • Criticism of Secret Service: “performance... marred by inattentiveness and misfires, and saved by extraordinary good fortune.” ([21:41])
  • Military analysis: had Allen been part of a trained group, attack would likely have succeeded.

5. Congressional Hearings on the War with Iran ([27:10]–[35:07])

• $1.5 Trillion Budget Scrutiny:
  • Montage of contentious Q&A between Secretary Pete Hegseth and Congress (notably Rep. Adam Smith).
  • Hegseth’s combative opening: "The biggest adversary we face is Congressional Democrats and some Republicans." ([29:14])
• Political, Not Practical, Oversight:
  • Hosts mock the sudden “fiscal conservatism” displayed by Congress when critiquing war spending.
  • Explosive exchange with Adam Smith over whether the Iran conflict is a “quagmire” or essential action.
  • Discussion whether partisan incentives outweigh sincere desire for victory: “What percentage of Democrats in Congress would actually hope we lose this war?" ([33:06])

6. The “Vulnerable World Hypothesis” & Totalitarian Temptations ([39:31]–[46:34])

• Listener Email & Existential Dread:

  • Listener Paolo posits that both partisanship and the risks of runaway AI/technology may make totalitarian government seem like the "only safe course."
  • Introduction of Nick Bostrom’s “Vulnerable World Hypothesis” — the analogy of drawing black balls from the urn of technological progress, some of which could end civilization if drawn.
  • Hosts discuss why tech optimism seems pollyannaish, and why doomers sound more plausible.
  • Armstrong: “That [Bostrom] thing is convincing. That might be the original thing that started me down the doomer path...” ([42:35])

• Jokes on Monarchy and Surveillance State:

  • Jokingly suggest switching to monarchy or totalitarian rule; “bring on the totalitarianism, monarchy now. Surveillance state. Xi Jinping has it right. I’ve been wrong all along.” ([46:35])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Congressional Hearing Mockery

• Michael (on DeLauro):
  • “That was a master swordsman just slicing and dicing a moron.” ([08:44])
  • “She is a half witted demographic demagoguing old hag.” ([09:09])
• Jack Armstrong:
  • “Well and she’s going to be powerful soon.” ([08:49])
  • "This is no way to run a country. And it happens on both sides." ([09:38])

Glyphosate Insult

• Michael: “[DeLauro] instructed the person she’s debating to kill himself on the House floor, apparently.” ([13:32])

Lament on American Government

• Jack Armstrong:
  • "Congressional hearings are supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry, not a partisan gotcha fest.” ([10:07])
• Michael (on cameras):
  • “We need to have transparency... but get the cameras out of there so we can have real conversations.” ([10:42])

Iran War & Congressional Dysfunction

• Pete Hegseth: “Statements like that are reckless to our troops... The biggest adversary we face at this point are the reckless, feckless and defeatist words of Congressional Democrats and some Republicans.” ([29:14])
• Jack Armstrong: “God dang it, all of a sudden a whole bunch of people, a bunch of Democrats in Congress are worried about costs. Come on.” ([27:46])

Bostrom’s Doomsday (Vulnerable World Hypothesis)

• Michael: "Bostrom imagines technological development is drawing balls from an urn... there may exist black balls: technology so destructive and so easy to deploy that a single individual could end civilization." ([41:26])
• Armstrong: "That [Bostrom] thing is convincing... started me down the doomer path." ([42:35])
• Michael (on tech optimism): “I don’t hear the cheery types address really the doomers objections or their arguments.” ([44:34])

Sarcastic Surrender to Totalitarianism

• Michael: "Well, bring on the totalitarianism monarchy now. Surveillance state. Xi Jinping has it right. I’ve been wrong all along. I apologize for bad mouthing him." ([46:35])

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Important Timestamps by Segment

• [03:31] – Show shifts from banter to the main event: Congressional hearing mocking
• [04:06] – Introduction to the DeLauro/Zeldin exchange and the issue of glyphosate
• [06:09] – Audio of the actual Congressional sparring
• [08:49] – Commentary: “slicing and dicing a moron”
• [12:44] – Recount of DeLauro’s glyphosate/“drink weed killer” gaffe
• [13:47] – International embarrassment and Congressional decay
• [19:07] – Discussion of attempted assassination and the failures of the Secret Service
• [27:10] – Iran war Congressional hearings and spending debate
• [29:14] – Pete Hegseth’s “Democrats are the adversaries” soundbite
• [33:06] – How many politicians genuinely hope America loses for political gain?
• [39:31] – Totalitarianism email and discussion of Nick Bostrom’s “black ball” analogy
• [41:26] – Detailed explanation of the Vulnerable World Hypothesis
• [46:34] – Sarcastic embrace of monarchy and totalitarian rule

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Episode Summary

Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, and Michael deliver a bracing, funny, and exasperated analysis of Congressional dysfunction, with special focus on a hearing where Rep. Rosa DeLauro is taken to task for ignorance by Lee Zeldin—mocking her lack of preparation, understanding of law, and decorum. The hosts indict both parties for perpetuating dysfunction through seniority and lack of curiosity, then pivot to broader themes: the collapse of quality governance, the rise of empty, performative partisanship, and why tech-driven optimism rings hollow in the face of genuine existential risk.

Moments of comic relief (and outright insult) are punctuated by a deeply fatalistic discussion of technology’s dangers, Nick Bostrom’s “black ball” doomsday scenario, and the temptation for more centralized, even totalitarian, control as a societal "solution." The episode closes with their trademark irreverence but a clear note of concern for American democracy and the future.

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TL;DR

• Explosive Congressional hearing with Rep. DeLauro and Lee Zeldin serves as a microcosm of political decay.
• Hosts deliver biting mockery, highlight lack of competence and curiosity among Congressional leaders.
• Discuss existential technology risk (Bostrom’s “black ball”) and why many are “doomers” about the future.
• Sarcastic calls for monarchy/totalitarianism as pointed political commentary.
• Biting, irreverent, and deeply skeptical of America’s political and technological trajectory.

Transcript

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[Michael]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Show Producer/Announcer]

And now

[Michael]

here's Armstrong and Yeti.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael, I'm going to ask you to play a role you've played many times on this show. I'm going to ask you to guess something. Then you're going to guess as you want an absurd, an absurd number that then makes the actual answer less impactful.

[Michael]

Okay. As long as everybody knows their jobs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. The tallest player to ever play college or professional basketball player basketball.

[Michael]

Fifteen feet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just signed with UC Irvine. How tall is he, Michael?

[Michael]

Eight foot seven.

[Jack Armstrong]

He is 7 foot 9. Oliver Rue just signed with UC Irvine. There's never been anybody that tall in college or pro basketball. Seven, nine.

[Michael]

Wow. You got to move the hoop up, don't you?

[Jack Armstrong]

I like some of the comments. He could hunt geese with a rake.

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That's kind of funny.

[Michael]

That is pretty funny. Well played. Well, you can't tell the players without a scorecard. The names you're about. I'm sorry, excuse me. The voices you're about to hear are EPA administrator Lee Zeldin, who was a congressman from New York, New York for a while and is a very smart fella and the purple haired progressive hag horror from Connecticut, Representative Rosa DeLauro. You've seen this woman on the news from time to time. She is I don't know, 70ish and just evil hag and has purple hair and is an incredible is from an incredibly safe district. And so she just, she will serve until she she is pulled drag drooling from the floor of the house long into her sure to be soon bout with senility. Anyway, so Zeldin is there in front of the House Appropriations Committee that Ms. DeLauro is the ranking member of. Okay. Congress has the power of the purse. That's their like that's one of their big enumerated powers. And if the Democrats went back to House, she will be the most powerful check writer or denier in the United States Congress. Lee Zeldin is the. Is there to talk about the EPA? Well, DeLauro wants to talk to him about the EPA. And the only thing I think you need to know because I think we get there in this tape is glyphosate is the active ingredient in Roundup that some people believe can cause cancer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gave me lymphoma. Allegedly.

[Commercial Announcer]

Allegedly.

[Michael]

Here we have the Delauro and Zeldin show. Enjoy.

[Rosa DeLauro]

The budget proposal reads like a climate change deniers manifesto. When climate change is flooding our streets, poisoning our air, driving up health care and disaster courts, how can the EPA justify abandoning that duty to protect Americans to appease polluters under the false flag of economic growth following the law, Section

[Lee Zeldin]

202 of the Clean Air Act. Where does it say anything about fighting global climate change? Loper Bright Supreme Court case. You familiar with it?

[Rosa DeLauro]

No, I, Maybe others are not. But let me ask.

[Lee Zeldin]

But that's really important. As a member of Congress. Loper Bright says that we as, as an agency don't have the authority to get Creative if section 202 of the Clean Air Act.

[Rosa DeLauro]

No, no, but you don't have. Excuse me. You do not have the right to say climate change does not exist. That it's a hoax. And that's where this administration.

[Lee Zeldin]

You're upset. You don't know what Loper Bright is. Do you know what the major policies doctrines. I'm upset because you know major policies doctrine is.

[Rosa DeLauro]

Let me just.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're a member of Congress.

[Lee Zeldin]

You should know.

[Rosa DeLauro]

Well, you're, you're, you have moved from someone who defended the environment to all of us.

[Lee Zeldin]

Very defensive about not knowing the two biggest landmark Supreme Court cases of the last year.

[Rosa DeLauro]

Very defensive about changing your policy and your positions with regard to the environment.

[Lee Zeldin]

Now you just want me to tell you what the two biggest court cases are of the last few years.

[Rosa DeLauro]

This is what I want you to.

[Lee Zeldin]

Michigan versus epa.

[Martha Stewart]

Whoa.

[Lee Zeldin]

West Virginia versus.

[Rosa DeLauro]

You know you're here because you need money from us. So halt for the second and wait for the questions and answer the question.

[Lee Zeldin]

I answered your question and you didn't like my answer because you don't know what lopebright is because you don't know what the major policies doctrine is because you, you're asking me questions. You're asking about Section 2 or 2 of the Clean Air act and you don't, you don't read it. You don't know what it says.

[Rosa DeLauro]

Listen. And what you want to do is to deny you want.

[Lee Zeldin]

No, I actually read the law. I do my homework.

[Michael]

Really.

[Lee Zeldin]

You're just somebody who likes to have the microphone on. You know what I have to do. I read the law, I read the Supreme Court cases.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I would say no we should

[Lee Zeldin]

do for your constituents is actually read

[Rosa DeLauro]

statute budget is at real risk.

[Lee Zeldin]

Read your Supreme Court.

[Rosa DeLauro]

This is the Appropriations Committee.

[Lee Zeldin]

You care about science now you're threatening to defund it.

[Rosa DeLauro]

Oh my God. No.

[Pete Hegseth]

You don't fund because you don't know

[Lee Zeldin]

what Loper Bright is because you don't know what the major policies doctrine is. Your message to our our folks at the EPA is that you wanted to

[Rosa DeLauro]

fund us to listen to this BS

[Lee Zeldin]

The BS you think I made up these cases.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was one of the best one ones of those I've ever heard.

[Michael]

That was, that was a master swordsman just slicing and dicing a moron.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well and she's going to be powerful soon.

[Michael]

She certainly could be. She all. She's the ranking member.

[Show Producer/Announcer]

So.

[Michael]

Which means the top Democrat.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well top meaning you've been there the longest. Read old often. Yeah that's the problem with that whole seniority system of the oldest person gets to be the chair.

[Michael]

She is a half witted demographic demagoguing old hag.

[Jack Armstrong]

How have they not changed that in Congress? I can see that if seats they

[Michael]

have to some extent.

[Jack Armstrong]

If seats change. If seats change people or hands regularly I can see having the person with the most seniority be the chair because they have the most experience in running the committee. But since seats Never change hands 98% of Congress people get get reelected every year. It's just who's been there the longest. And you can stay there till you die as we all know. So you end up with a bunch of people with dementia or have been so been in government for so long they don't even bother to even think about doing the homework for this hearing that she obviously didn't do. And they're in charge. This is no way to run a country. And it happens on both sides. There's plenty of senile old no nothings in Republican chairs also.

[Michael]

Well not only does she know nothing and the people you're talking about know nothing, they have a complete lack of curiosity. That's what's amazing to me to learn

[Jack Armstrong]

and I wish these hearings could be more like you know, I actually don't know that supreme case. Explain it to me. And then you listen, you say ah, that's really interesting. What about this? What about that? And the way it's Supposed to be, it's supposed to be like a fact finding inquiry, not a partisan gotcha fest, which is the only thing these things are. You know, Ben Sasse, one of the points he made last Sunday night on 60 Minutes is how they gotta get cameras outta Congress. He said we need to have transparency. All the reporters you want with the pad and pencil in there writing everything down, but get the cameras out of there so we can have real conversations. That would be a good thing.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. I think this is not a great example of that. Just because the idea that she, when she's talking about funding the epa, would not know about the Loper Bright decision is, I mean it's impossible now. It's absolutely impossible. It's like, you know, Scotty Scheffler, the best golfer in the world, being completely unaware that it's now legal to throw the ball and say, oh, it is really? No, that's unthinkable. She's an ignoramus. But Ben Sasse, I wouldn't be surprised

[Jack Armstrong]

though that if her hammering on the climate change for her constituency, wherever it is, that she didn't raise money off of that clip. We listen to that clip and think it's laughably embarrassing. I'll bet she raised money off of that clip about how I wouldn't let them get away with their anti climate change this or that.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, this doesn't work anymore. The whole self governance thing had a good run, but it's over anyway. What's next? Monarchy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, that was good.

[Michael]

Is King Charles still in the country? He's got experience. We should interview him. Hey, you got a crappy moribund economy. What's the population of Great Britain? Nobody knows or cares. Most dynamic economy on Earth. 340 million people. We'd like to hire you as our king.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whoever that dude was, what was his

[Michael]

name, Lee Zeldin,

[Jack Armstrong]

he had every right to talk that way. But I think we could get further if everybody just went with more of a more grace, you know, less. And I can understand why he was so frustrated.

[Michael]

Right, right. You would have a different sort of person elected if there were not, you know, cameras. Yeah, certainly no social media. But that would never pass.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you could just more calmly say, look, with all due respect, this whole thing hinges around the two Supreme Court cases of the last year and I think we should discuss those.

[Michael]

Yeah, you haven't done your homework, you

[Jack Armstrong]

know, that sort of course she was yelling at him so that get your, get your back up.

[Michael]

Yeah, I, I, we didn't get like something I'd heard somewhere else. Later in the hearing, when things appeared to settle down a bit, DeLauro accused the Trump EPA of not doing enough to go after polluters. Zeldin opened up his binder, started comparing the Trump administration's enforcement actions to the Biden administration's, when Purple haired hag DeLauro interjected again. Glyphosate, she said, referring to the active ingredient in Roundup. Zeldin advised that if the congresswoman's cup was filled with glyphosate, you probably shouldn't drink it. To which DeLauro responded, maybe you should try doing that. On Delora suggestion that he drink weed killer. Mr. Zeldin reacted and I quote, when you don't have anything good to say, some advise just not saying anything at all. He argued that Doloro apparently believes that when you have don't have anything good to say, you should instruct the person you are debating to kill themselves.

[Jack Armstrong]

So other countries must look at this like tiny little emerging African nations or whatever must look at this stuff and think, this is how the most dominant economy on planet Earth does things. The most powerful country that's ever been on Earth. This is the way they do things.

[Michael]

Well, even more. Wait, they've kept their government together for 250 years doing that? Well, the answer is no. No, we haven't. This is new. Yeah. The occasional caning aside.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, man, talk about bringing back the founding fathers. How about bring back Congress people from 1940 and have them take a look at Congress today. I gotta believe they think, whoa, this is crazy.

[Michael]

We have some of them and they leave. They say, I am not spending my life doing this. They go back to private enterprise.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's true.

[Michael]

Or their state. Yeah, well, that was funny then discouraging

[Jack Armstrong]

in a little bit. Bottom of the hour, we will get to some of Pete Hegseth's testimony yesterday and more people, you know, getting into each other's shorts in a, in a gotcha fest. But some of it pretty darned interesting about the war in Iran, of course, and other things on the way. Stay here.

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So this Cole Allen weirdo who tried to kill the President is the oddest combination of sane and smart and crazy. I just, I can't even wrap my head around what he is so like banal in his approach to the whole thing.

[Michael]

Yeah, he's a loser, disciplined in his life, wanted to do something big. I'm convinced it's a personality type.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, he appeared in court for the first time today and his lawyer was trying to get him set free. Which was denied. Was denied by the judge.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, the defense attorneys claimed that Allen was not prepared to carry out a mass shooting in the room because they had a pump action shotgun. Mr. Allen has no criminal history, not even prior arrests, which alone would rebut the presumption of detention. They said the government's rhetoric about mass shootings is also unsupported by its own facts. Mr. Allen was not alleged to be holding an automatic or even a semiautomatic weapon that are the hallmarks of modern day mass shootings. I've heard some people say, man, if he added AR15, which is the, you know, the weapon that school losers and that sort of stuff usually have. And, and he got in the room, that would have been bad. He had a. Because he was close to getting in the room, which we're about to talk about. He was carrying a fully loaded 12 gauge Mossberg, which is my shotgun of Choice, not very expensive. You can buy it at big five for like 500 bucks on a whole bunch of other stuff, as you know. And then he posted those selfies, I don't know if you saw those yesterday. He was oddly calm for a guy who was about to. He had to assume, I think, take a whole bunch of bullets in the face.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who could be calm about being shot?

[Michael]

Somebody delusional. But not, not really delusional. Just. I don't know. What do you even call that? Sane, but so far off base you can't imagine it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Weird in the way that a lot of super smart people are weird, I guess.

[Michael]

And he's.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he's a devout Christian who has spent countless hours with church groups for as long as family and friends can remember. He's a loved and respected teacher and colleague who's always demonstrated kindness, empathy and compassion and never violence. Order. Order in the court.

[Michael]

Counselor, I understand you gotta say something, but really, I'm gonna turn this guy loose. Really? Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

The judge decided to continue to hold Mr. Allen.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the Washington Post had an interesting rundown and this is by the prosecutor's own testimony yesterday. According to a detailed account filed yesterday by federal prosecutors, the performance of the nation's preeminent protection agency, the Secret Service, was marred by inattentiveness and misfires. And saved by extraordinary good fortune that the gunman fell down feet from the corner. He would have turned to go down a few stairs and have the open doors in that room full of very important people in a loaded shotgun and a.38 caliber pistol. And I don't know, he's gonna do with the knives and the daggers, get into a dagger fight with Cash Patel

[Michael]

or something that gets into the whole smart but stupid thing. How do you picture this unfolding? That everybody's spent their bullets and now you're going to get into some sort of James Bo style knife fight with somebody, Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think you need the knives. Knives and daggers. So I got this. Now I got my backup knives because I've gotten into such a knife fight that then they've disarmed me with this knife. So I pull out my other knife, Right?

[Michael]

Exactly. And then if the knives are gone, I've got these numb chucks stuck into my pants. And in case that fails, last resort. I got a rock in my pocket. I'll throw a rock at somebody.

[Jack Armstrong]

So this is worth mentioning. Contradicting a prior claim by the attorney general that officers had promptly tackled and detained Allen, prosecutors wrote that the 31 year old fell to the ground after blowing past the team of agents. He fell and then people went and jumped on top of him and his guns flew out of his hands, according to that woman that was standing there on CBS News last night. Anyway, they will go on to talk to people with military backgrounds, quoting one saying, most of my military friends are all saying the same thing. If you had a team of three or four gunmen, they would have gotten to Trump. If they had just come through in a team of three or four who are coordinated and trained, there absolutely would have been penetration into the ballroom and it would have been a gunfight. It's hard, hard to imagine that that wouldn't be the case.

[Michael]

Remember those two guys in body armor in la like years and years and years ago and they lasted a long

[Jack Armstrong]

time against a bunch of cops. Yeah man, if you had somebody like that More on the way if you missed a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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This was the first time Secretary Hegseth and General Kaine answered questions publicly under oath since the war against Iran began 60 days ago. They are defending the Pentagon's $1.5 trillion budget request, a $500 billion increase from last year.

[Jack Armstrong]

This represents a historic down payment on future security.

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Lawmakers question the Iran war's cost I

[Pete Hegseth]

would simply ask you what the cost is of an Iranian nuclear bomb.

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The PENTAGON Comptroller says $25 billion has been spent so far, but that may not include damage to US Bases and replacing munitions.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, everybody seems to be coming out, even, you know, people right ish are saying it's more like double that if you want to talk about what the cost of the war is. But I mean, that conversation, God dang it. All of a sudden a whole bunch of people, a bunch of Democrats in Congress are worried about costs. Come on. Or Republicans too. Nobody really cares about anything costs. But whenever you don't like something, it's always that cost the taxpayer 5 million. Don't try to pretend you care what things cost.

[Michael]

Fiscal conservative now, are you? Well, welcome.

[Jack Armstrong]

Give me a break. Here's just a montage of Pete Hegsed, Secretary of War in front of Congress. He's in front of the Senate today. I'm hoping for a more high minded conversation today. But here's a little montage of the back and forth from yesterday with the House and you're gonna. You know what is upsetting? Incredible.

[Pete Hegseth]

You didn't even do the analysis on

[Jack Armstrong]

how much it's costing the American people.

[Show Producer/Announcer]

The President has got himself and America stuck in the quagmire of another war

[Jack Armstrong]

in the Middle East.

[Pete Hegseth]

Statements like that are reckless to our troops. You call it a quagmire. Handing propaganda to our enemies. Shame on you. Don't say I support the troops on one hand. And then a two month mission is a quagmire. That's a false equivalent. Who you cheering for here? Who you pulling for? The biggest adversary we face at this point are the reckless, feckless and defeatist words of Congressional Democrats and some Republicans.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was his opening. I don't know if he needed to come in that hot to say the biggest adversary we face in this war is Democrats. It's pretty aggressive when you've got.

[Michael]

You got to get them on their heels. You got to punch them in the mouth three, four times real quick to get any funding.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's how you get it. Well. And you need the support of the American people and 2/3 to 3/4 depending on the polar against this war. So I just, I don't know if it does any good to be that aggressive about this. I think they should be an explaining trying to bring us all along mode.

[Pete Hegseth]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Even if you're never going to get the Congress people who are hopelessly, idiotically partisan and actually and I believe this rooting for the United States of America to fail because it will reflect badly on Donald Trump. I might come in a little hot too. But for your point, it's about what people hear and believe at home.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And you sound like a grown up, a calm, reasonable grown up with a plan versus you know what, what the left wants to portray you as. You come off as like the Colin Jost version of you from Saturday Night Live. You're not going to bring anybody along that wasn't already on your side. Anywho, this back and forth got a lot of attention between a Representative Adam Smith, not the guy who wrote wealth of nations in 1776, but a newer one with Pete Hegseth. So they haven't Broken yet.

[Pete Hegseth]

Okay, we haven't gotten there yet for all of the. Well, their nuclear facilities have been obliterated underground. They're buried and watching 24 7. So we know where any nuclear material. Reclaiming my time. We're watching a second here.

[Jack Armstrong]

We had to start this war, you just said 60 days ago because the

[Pete Hegseth]

nuclear weapon was an imminent threat.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now you're saying that it was completely

[Pete Hegseth]

obliterated, not given up their nuclear ambitions and they had a conventional shield of thousands. So Operation Midnight Hammer, nothing of substance. It left us at exactly the point

[Jack Armstrong]

place we were before.

[Pete Hegseth]

So much so their facilities are bombed and obliterated, their ambitions continued and they're building a conventional shield.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let me try again.

[Pete Hegseth]

It's the North Korea strategy. You know this very well. The North Korea strategy was use conventional missiles to prevent anybody from challenging them so they could slow walk their way to a weapon. President Trump saw Iran at its weakest moment, took an action to ensure in a way that only the United States of America could do with our Israeli partners. And yet to ensure they're having shield was, was brought one of the questions we've done, if I could get to

[Jack Armstrong]

it and so what is your freaking point? Adam Smith, not the author, wealth of nations and they still have their nuclear program. Okay, well if you're right, then it's more of an argument to continue the war, not less.

[Michael]

I'd like to give you the invisible hand right across your face.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, a little.

[Michael]

Classic economist.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Proffers of the dismal science. Their heads thrown back in laughter.

[Michael]

I think that's the joke of the day. Thank you, Michael. Oh my God, it's been years since I've won that award. Where were we? That that actually came close to a discussion. It did, but came close. I wish exethic had said, look, me and Trump use words like obliterate instead of setback because it's more exciting. I didn't mean it literally.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And if you're arguing that we didn't set it back enough, so should we should stop the war and let them go further. I'm just not quite following you here, mister.

[Michael]

Oh, that would have been a fine retort.

[Jack Armstrong]

That would be what a great thought experiment that would be. Or a real experiment is write down your true wishes. You hope we win this war or hope we lose this war. What percentage of Democrats in Congress would actually, actually, they'd never say it out loud, but hope we lose this war. You think it'd be half. Am I being way too negative?

[Michael]

No, it might be. I Think a fair number of them would say, well, I want us to win, but as long as I can spin it that Trump did something terrible or we would have won it sooner, yeah, I'll take that win. But if you phrased it like this, if America wins, the Republicans retain the House and the Senate at the midterm, do you want the. Want the country to win or would you prefer we lose?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, I don't think that's the case. I don't think even if we win, the straits opened and they agree to not pursue a nuclear weapon. Of course. Right. How do you trust them anyway? I don't. I still think that Republicans lose the House because that's just the history of things. But yeah, if you put it that way. I don't know. I was listening to some experts yesterday, said this will definitely still be going on by the midterms. Wow, That's a heck of a thing to think about in six months. You think it will be one form or another. You think the war with Iran will still be going on come November?

[Michael]

Yeah, because they always, always, always cheat and lie. And so even if some agreement has come to, there will be violations and there will have to be spankings.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't see how they. Because there's no way their economy can survive that long.

[Michael]

I don't think they'll let the economy collapse around them and their people starve.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, what is that going to look like? Are there going to be people in the streets willing to protest the threat of being shot because they're starving? Like it's, you know, some third world country?

[Michael]

Yes. Wow. Yeah, I could absolutely see that happening. I've seen it happen plenty of times before.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then it will be portrayed as we're starving the people because we're the ones blockading.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah. So the incredibly discouraging couple of interactions in Congress that we've played for you today, I just came across a really compelling argument in favor of totalitarianism. I, Joe Getty, the great libertarian, the Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln acolyte, anti communist, anti. Please, Cold warrior. I'm not with this, but I see their point. If we break now, we can squeeze it in before the end of the show.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, we got that on the way. And other things. Stay here.

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[Michael]

I was gonna say something and flit it out of my mind because you're old probably. So your brain no longer works. Correct. So, frequent correspondent Paolo wrote on a number of different topics and one of them was Totalitarian is coming. And he wrote this before we had our discussion about AI being a super tool for people to design all sorts of horrifying weapons. He says totalitarianism is coming. An argument can be made that we're on a path to a totalitarian government and maybe even need it. We are divided into tribes, far more interested in acquiring and maintaining power than working with the other tribe. We're too afraid of the other tribe. Correct. They're evil and must be reined in, controlled and made impotent to whatever cost. Yes, I would agree. There's also a plausible risk that the world will become so large, interdependent and hard to manage that absolute central control will be the only safe and practical course. All we have to do is find that omniscient benevolent controller and we're all set. Delightful light sarcasm there.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we're all set.

[Michael]

I think a lot of people yearn for such a government. It's the only thing that makes them feel safe. Why? Why people are willing to trust any government with that much power is hard to figure. But I think a growing number of people are feeling that way. That kind of thinking ties in with another idea you've talked about. The idea that if we require acquire so much knowledge that it becomes possible for just about anybody to do great harm, even to destroy civilization. Somebody among the billions of us will be sufficiently sociopathic to do it. At least one person and keep reading below, thinks that eventually, that eventually is a certainty and suggests that the only way to avoid it is a totalitarian government. And he quotes Nick Bostrom who wrote a paper in 2019 entitled oh, you know this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, I know the paper and

[Michael]

I've read his books the Vulnerable World Hypothesis and feel free to expand on this. It will, because I don't know his work. This paper addresses your specific concern about dangerous knowledge with almost eerie precision. Bostrom imagines technical technological development is drawing balls from an urn. Most are beneficial, some are mixed, but there may exist black balls. Technology is so destructive.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get to the doctor now.

[Michael]

Oh, I was afraid. I was afraid you would say something like that. Now, for the adults listening, let me continue. You walked him right into it. Yes, I know you wanted that. It's like waving a stick of bacon in front of a dog. What do I expect? Anyway, back to the black balls. Technology so destructive and so easy to deploy that a single individual could end civilization. He, he argues that as we draw more balls and advance more knowledge, the probability of pulling a black ball approaches certainty unless we develop unprecedented global surveillance or governance. Is claimed that this is the most important single essay about the sociopath with access to civilization ending knowledge that exists.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that Bostrom thing is convincing. I mean that might be the original thing that started me down the doomer path was reading his stuff.

[Michael]

I have not and I have a reasonable fertile imagination. I have not come up with the answer to all of our interrelated concerns in this area. I can't find the ray of sunshine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe, yeah, maybe it's my personality but I listen to the doomer stuff from lots of different sources including the one of the big proponents of AI who wrote that book recently. What's it Ellie. Ellie something the if we build this, everyone dies. I read all the doer stuff and it sounds incredibly plausible. When I listen to the optimistic stuff it always seems yeah, I guess that could happen. It always seems like such a stretch.

[Michael]

Yeah, no, everyone will be nice and share their money with each other and everyone will be happy.

[Jack Armstrong]

When I'll have so much money nobody will want for anything. What's the process of doling that? My kids started asking that those questions last night, which I thought was very perceptive of them, but they're teenagers and they were like the well everybody can't have the same size house or some people would want houses in A better climate or. Yes. These are all problems that can't be solved by just doling out the same amount of money to everyone.

[Michael]

And I'll tell you what. If you're looking for who's probably got right on their side, whether moral or just factual. Right. Do they address the other side's arguments? Because I am delighted to address the left's arguments all day long. If you'd like to advocate conservative positions. I don't hear the cheery types address really the doomers objections or their arguments or like even us. And look, we're not tech geniuses, obviously, but if we can say whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean like immediately here's the problem with what you're saying, help me out with this. And it never gets addressed.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's funny you say that. We're not technique geniuses. I think that's the problem. Tech geniuses can't look at the obvious normal human nature, cause and effect stuff because they're tech geniuses.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

They can't wrap their head around. You're gonna have 250 million adults sitting around doing nothing. And that's gonna be fine. Okay.

[Michael]

You have a gleaming spaceship headquarters with video games and ping pong that nobody plays because they're all making 11 figures. And you work 70 hours a week. You're not a normal human.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Michael]

Let me tell you how normal humans are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. That's a good point right there.

[Michael]

Yeah. What's the new the 696. That's the norm in Silicon Valley. You work from 6am to 9pm Six days a week.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whoa.

[Michael]

It's something like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that's a good example with Elon. Look at all the people that want to win the lottery. Getting back to the number of people who spend money on super bowl or whatever, like hoping to win the billions of dollars you think Super Bowl Similar. It starts with the dark hue of your testes and then the black.

[Michael]

Oh.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then it turns into Super Bowl.

[Michael]

But again with this.

[Jack Armstrong]

All these people that want to win the lottery isn't so that they can work seven days a week, 90 hours a week, sleep on their friends couches, they don't even use a bed. It's because they want to just lay around and do nothing and anesthetize themselves, take in pleasure. Exactly. You're not a normal person, Elon. Everybody isn't like you. If they had more free time, they wouldn't turn it to good use.

[Michael]

Right. They wouldn't allocate resources to the best futuristic idea. They would buy another house. I know. I would.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's something.

[Michael]

Well, bring on the totalitarianism monarchy now. Surveillance state. Xi Jinping has it right. I've been wrong all along. I apologize for bad mouthing him.

[Jack Armstrong]

How much time we got, Michael?

[Michael]

Three, two. I don't know if you got black balls. It's probably not long. Terminal phase. Yeah, I know Katie.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's off putting this it's final thoughts, boys.

[Michael]

That'll do boys.

[Jack Armstrong]

Soon we'll hear your comments, entertain us,

[Michael]

give us closure for the show. Michael really does. You gotta turn off the other music during playing.

[Jack Armstrong]

You can't play musical stuff without other musical stuff underneath.

[Michael]

I was thinking about the previous comment and I distracted me. The dissonance he was doing his self check.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gotta get a mirror. I can't get a good angle. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Michael]

Let's get a final thought from everybody. Michelangelo, lead us off. No, I was thinking about. I was worried about Jack. No, I was worried about Jack and his chat GPT. He's getting so upset over these chat bots that. Yeah, just, you know, I. I'm worried that there's going to be a domestic violence call this be you choking a computer or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, I gave sanity firm talk to one yesterday.

[Michael]

Katie Green has a final thought. Katie, I hope my baby makes a

[Jack Armstrong]

cool noise like a slide whistle or something. That was an hour to get the podcast blockbuster. Jack, final thought for us and I'll hang around as long as you will. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me me. You either know that bar song or you don't. And the great David Allen co died. Oh my God. I've had a lot of good times. Drinking beer to his music.

[Michael]

A fine troubadour indeed. My final thought, I stole it from Blake Neff. The left will simultaneously stand outside an event with signs promoting political murder, hysterically scream about impending fascism, do podcast interviews explaining why political murder is justified and explain why assassination victims added coming Then all also confidently declared that when one of their own takes them literally and attempts an assassin assassination. It must have been staged.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that's pretty good. Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Michael]

So many people. Thanks a little time. Go to Armstrong and getty.com, pick up some Ang swag. Those are new T shirts. Enforce the law Flying off the shelves. That's the cure to so many problems. Especially in blue America. Enforce the damn law.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, true dad. Tomorrow will be Friday. Friday show is always fun. We drink daiquiris. So see you then God Bless America.

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[Michael]

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