The A&G Replay Tuesday Hour Three

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand: The A&G Replay Tuesday Hour Three

Date: June 30, 2026
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This hour of Armstrong & Getty is a blend of light-hearted cultural history and hard-hitting political/social commentary. The show kicks off with the hosts riffing on the history of American board games, highlighting their sometimes-macabre or moralistic origins. The tone shifts as they recap Fareed Zakaria's detailed critique of California's governance, discussing issues like state spending, education failures, housing shortages, and the decline of Hollywood. The episode also covers a scientific breakthrough in brain preservation and wraps up with listener mail and musings on topics ranging from locked-up toothpaste to dad jokes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. History and Cultural Impact of Board Games

[02:54 – 15:07]

Early American Board Games

• Jack Armstrong introduces a Wall Street Journal series ("USA250") and segues into the deep roots of board games as both entertainment and moral instruction.
• First American-made board game: Travelers Tour through the United States (1822) involved geography facts as gameplay.
  • “There was nothing else to do in 1822.” – Co-host [04:31]
• Mid-1800s: Board games reflected dominant social and religious sentiments.
  • The Game of Pope and Pagan: Players as missionaries attacking targets like Lucifer, the Pope, and "pagans/immigrants," reflecting nativist attitudes.
    • “So you’d have your kids attacking Lucifer, the Pope and a godforsaken immigrants with their foreign beliefs.” – Jack Armstrong [06:00]
• The Checkered Game of Life (Milton Bradley, 1860): A morality-based game for children, featuring game spaces like “ruin, disgrace, and suicide.”
  • “You roll a six. Wah, wah. Suicide for you.” – Co-host [07:05]
• Games mirrored broader American ideals:
  • Horatio Alger–inspired “rags to riches” games (From Log Cabin to the White House).
  • Girls’ games focused on marriage as economic gamble (Marriage Auction).
  • Lizzie Magie's The Landlord’s Game (precursor to Monopoly), designed as a critique of concentrated wealth.
    • “Most people don’t understand her game was created to teach about the ills of concentrated wealth.” – Jack Armstrong [10:20]

20th-Century Board Games & Social Change

• Depression-era games encouraged thrift or fantasized wealth.
• Post-WWII: Games like Risk mirrored Cold War anxieties.
• Candyland (1948): Created for hospitalized children.
  • “Candyland…I enjoyed playing that with the kids. Very relaxing.” – Jack Armstrong [12:07]
• Twister (1966): Seen as subtly challenging sexual/social norms.
  • “You get somebody the opposite sex to play and there’s a good chance your groins are going to end up against each other.” – Co-host [13:04]
• Surge of modern board gaming: Kickstarter democratized new game production, leading to the popularity of games like Catan, Wingspan, and Exploding Kittens.
  • “Board games are really all about the hanging around with your friends or family. That’s what it is.” – Co-host [13:57]

2. Scientific News: Brain Freezing Breakthrough

[15:19 – 19:49]

Cryopreservation Advances

• Discussion of "cryopreservation": scientists managed to freeze and thaw mouse brain tissue without damaging it, using a method called “vitrification.”
  • “If they can perfect this…someone could have a terrible disease, freeze the brain, get to the point that we can cure the disease and then…reanimate your brain.” – Co-host [16:11]
• Recognized limitations: no current way to transplant a brain into a new body; what quality of life would a disembodied brain even have?
  • “If I lose the ability to do anything… and I’m just a brain, do I want to live like that?” – Co-host [16:54]
  • “Can I do crossword puzzles?...Surely Elon Musk can…” – Jack Armstrong [17:14]
• The scientific method avoids forming damaging ice crystals by flash-freezing to a glass-like state.

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3. California Under Scrutiny: Fareed Zakaria’s Critique

[23:52 – 36:04]

State Spending and Governance

• Fareed Zakaria’s CNN segment, praised for being “utterly calm, gentlemanly non bomb-chuckery and an incredibly thorough indictment of the misgovernance of California.”
• Core paradox: High economic output, but poor outcomes for ordinary citizens.
  • “The paradox of California today is a successful economy attached to a failing model of governance.” – Fareed Zakaria [24:33]
• Fiscal Bloat: State expenditures up 200% since 2000, state employee numbers up 50%.
  • “It is a giant jobs program for cronies and lackeys.” – Jack Armstrong [25:50]

Underachievement in Education

• Massive boost in per-pupil spending, but California ranks low nationally in test scores:
  • “In the 2024 Nations Report Card, California was 43rd in fourth grade math, 39th in fourth grade reading…” – Fareed Zakaria [26:54]

Housing Crisis

• Underproduction due to severe zoning, regulation, and developer lawsuits.
• Construction rates far below national averages—contributing to high costs and homelessness.

Economic Stagnation

• Private sector struggles; state props up job numbers with public spending.
  • “California essentially failed to add any new jobs on net. Private industries outside government… actually shed jobs.” – Fareed Zakaria [27:55]

Homelessness

• $24 billion spent over 5 years with no significant progress, despite a slight recent drop.
  • “It looks worse than it used to be.” – Co-host [29:33]

Hollywood’s Decline

• Hollywood’s production base hollowed out by taxes, regulation; jobs move to states and countries with friendlier climates.
  • “Los Angeles is becoming a sunny version of Detroit.” – Fareed Zakaria [31:05]
• Movie studio lots are now mostly tourist attractions.

Political Entrenchment & Identity

• Voters frustrated, but not switching parties—political identities too entrenched.
  • “As long as people have their entire identities tied into a political party…” – Co-host [33:44]
  • “If you’re a D, one of the cornerstones of your identity is that conservatism is evil… makes going trans look subtle.” – Jack Armstrong [34:18]
• Question of what happens in “one-party red states” also raised—differences explored.

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4. Listener Mail & Odds and Ends

[39:36 – 44:22]

Notable Mailbag Moments

• Quirky audience letters: locked-up toothpaste, fortune cookie dad jokes, and a monkey with the “mark of the beast.”
  • “It says, help! I’m a prisoner in a fortune cookie factory.” – Jack Armstrong [42:10]
• Discussion of rare insensitivity to pain in a Swedish village.
  • “There must have been some serious inbreeding back in the day.” – Co-host [44:15]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You roll a six. Wah, wah. Suicide for you.” – Co-host [07:05]
• “Board games are really all about the hanging around with your friends or family. That’s what it is.” – Co-host [13:57]
• “It is a giant jobs program for cronies and lackeys.” – Jack Armstrong [25:50]
• “California essentially failed to add any new jobs on net… The state is using public spending to paper over private sector stagnation.” – Fareed Zakaria [27:55]
• “Los Angeles is becoming a sunny version of Detroit.” – Fareed Zakaria [31:05]
• “If you’re a D, one of the cornerstones of your identity is that conservatism is evil…makes going trans look subtle.” – Jack Armstrong [34:18]
• “It says, help! I’m a prisoner in a fortune cookie factory.” – Jack Armstrong [42:10]

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• [02:54 – 15:07]: Board game history & cultural impact
• [15:19 – 19:49]: Cryopreservation breakthrough & implications
• [23:52 – 36:04]: Fareed Zakaria’s California critique (spending, education, housing, homelessness, Hollywood, politics)
• [39:36 – 44:22]: Listener mailbag (toothpaste, dad jokes, oddities)

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Summary

This hour of Armstrong & Getty delivers a compelling blend of American nostalgia, scientific wonder, and trenchant political critique—all laced with their trademark irreverence and wit. Whether dissecting the unintended lessons of Monopoly, marveling at the potential for brain-freezing immortality, or dissecting California’s systemic mismanagement, the hosts keep the conversation sharp and relatable for listeners who crave both insight and laughs.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

As we say now, more of the Armstrong and Getty replay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey kids, you want to play Inflation?

[Child]

Yeah dad, let's play.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a history of the United States as seen through board games. I actually found this deep, deep within the Wall Street Journal website. They're running a series called USA250 the Story of the World's Greatest Economy. And they look into various aspects of it and I found this one charming. Board games were popular in the United States from the beginning, but they were generally brought from the old world, you know, chess, checkers, various card games, et cetera that had been around for ages and ages. The very first American made board game in 1822. It was made by a small map company in New York. It was called Travelers Tour through the United States. A novelty that featured a hand colored map of the then 24 states peppered with towns and landmarks. You make your way across the map by naming geographical facts with the winner being the first person to reach New Orleans, which I don't know. Sounds reasonable. Sure, nothing wrong with memorizing some geographical facts.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

And there were nothing else to do in 1822.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that gave birth to an enormous industry which has made billions and billions uncountable billions of dollars through the years. So board games, let's skip ahead. We already mentioned that several games, including that one had the whole manifest destiny were expanding. We were going to go coast to coast thing at their heart and people were super positive about that sort of thing and love the idea. Let's see.

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[Jack Armstrong]

indeed a moral. Oh, oh, I almost skipped this one. I should have highlighted this. By the mid-1800s, Salem, Massachusetts became a hub of early game development. For some reason aided by European printing technology that had made its way across the Atlantic in 1844. Picture playing this with your kids or your little cousins or whatever. Brothers William and Stephen B. Ives released the Game of Popes. The Game of Pope and Pagan or Siege of the Stronghold of Satan by the Christian Army. That was the rather long title. In the game, players act as missionaries attacking Lucifer, the Pope and pagans, reflecting both the tight laced culture of the day and antipathy toward Catholicism and immigrants. Oh my God. So you'd have your kids attacking Lucifer, the Pope and a God forsaken immigrants with their foreign beliefs.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That's a fun board game.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Now you roll a six.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Do I go after the pope or those damn immigrants?

[Jack Armstrong]

They're both within reach.

[Child]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

So a moral message was central to many board games of the year. Among the most popular, the Checkered Game of Life, which got a shorter name after a while.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Created by none other than game pioneer Milton Bradley in the year 1860. Profoundly religious and an early advocate of the kindergarten movement in America, Bradley developed his game for children as much as their parents. Listen to this. This is the Game of life. Players navigated aboard with spaces identifying the highs of life, like college, success, happy old age, among others, and several frightening lows, including rud, ruin, disgrace, and suicide. This is a game for children, remember?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

You roll a six. Wah, wah. Suicide for you.

[Child]

I was just disgraced, Darn it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Watch the language, son.

[Child]

Sorry, Paul.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ruin, disgrace, and suicide.

[Child]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

How soft are our children compared to that?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Shoots and ladders. You go down the chute, you'll end in suicide.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy. Sorry, son. Suicide. Jesus Christ. Now, as the 19th century was growing to go. Can I have a second take? Do we have enough tape, Michael?

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[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. As the 19th century drew to a close, a growing middle class found itself with disposable income, shorter work weeks, mail order to catalogs, department stores, which really helped the board game industry. The railroad boom then helped the game industry, which increasingly focused on capitalism in addition to moral uplift. Starting in the 1880s, a series of games derived from the Horatio Alger books with titles like From Log Cabin to the White House caught the public's fancy. A boy, always a boy, popularized the rags to riches fantasy, pulling himself up by his bootstraps toward wealth and respectability.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Well, is this the beginning of what we were talking about earlier, where every presidential candidate has to have that origin story like Gavin Newsom's trying to create just. It became part of our. The way we look at this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It's unquestionably part of our culture. Yeah. Now, the gals had different messages in their games. One called Marriage Auction, which was popular from the early 1900s. The card values laid out a bride's worth noting that, quote, the bridesmaids have no value, however they rank. Unless you're a drunk groomsman and you know.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Exactly, you're both out of town.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, come on. The rules note, marriage, they say, is a gamble. One thing very certain is that money plays an important part. Let's see. As the gilded Age rolled on, one female game designer subverted the script Lizzie, Maggie Maggie maybe make was an impassioned follower of Henry George, a a popular political economist and author of the best selling book Progress and Poverty. George the economist believed that taxing land and only land, the single tax, was a path to a more just world. If you think these people would invent a really boring game, you'd be right.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

It's funny you bring this up and I won't get off on this, but I just became aware of Henry George a couple of weeks ago in a podcast. His book was number two selling book only to the Bible for a very long time. His economic theory, he was like the biggest thing in the world, not just in America with economics and everybody quoted him all the time and then it just went away.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, this big adherent of his Lizzie Maggie received a patent in 1904 for her landlord's game which millions know today as Monopoly.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

What most people don't understand is her game was created to teach about the ills of concentrated wealth. It wasn't until economists. No, that's not terribly interesting. From the 1900s through 1930s financial games gained favor. The games finance inflation and others thrived during the Great Depression as a fantasy of the American dream, far out of reach for most homes. Back to Ms. Maggie. She published Bargain Day in 1937, a game in which players move through a store making purchases by trying to save the most. The player shops most thriftily wins.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wish my wife would play this game. Hey, maybe see if you can find an old Copy, Mike.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Great 1960s old man. Stored a joke there, Michael.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey honey, here's an old timey game.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Let's play it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll bet it'll be fun.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Wish my wife would play that game, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Tell the other women you can't tell them anything. Then you got. After World War II, Cold War anxiety gave birth to strategy games like Risk as you'd capture the territories across the world.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

It's stunning that Monopoly ever caught on and became as why is popular lack of alternatives. I mean I never had the slightest bit of enjoyment playing Monopoly and never finished a game once in my life. But I've played it a lot of times.

[Jack Armstrong]

Other than talking to the friends you're playing with and then the rivalry of it. No, the game itself brought no joy. Interestingly, Candy Candyland. Yeah, perhaps the simplest game ever invented by any human being was designed in 1948 to brighten the spirits of children in hospital wards. Oh wow.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I played a lot of Candy Land. I played Candy Land in the Hospital as a kid.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, frankly, that was about up to my intellectual level. Candyland. I enjoyed playing that with the kids. Very relaxing. And then the act of playing games reinforced wholesome suburban family values. Consider the 1965 game Mystery Date, in which girls try to land a dreamy date and avoid the sloppily dressed dud.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Oh, you don't want to end up with the dud.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. And let's see. The game was developed by Marvin Glass and Associates, the Chicago toy design firm whose other hits included Simon Rock Em Sock Em Robots, which I wanted at age 5 more than I wanted my next breath. They also invented Operation and Mousetrap.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Rock Em Sock Em Robots. I knew people that had it, but I never owned it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. And then in 1966, Twister became a phenomenon and challenged sexual norms. Tell you what, as a teenager playing Twister with the other fellas and girls.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, you get.

[Jack Armstrong]

I enjoyed that a great deal.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

You get somebody the opposite sex play, and there's a good chance your groins are going to end up against each other.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Fareed Zakaria]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was really delicate and artful. Well said. It's like I'm working with Shakespeare. Holy crap.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That.

[Fareed Zakaria]

That.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wish we had a penalty box misconduct. Two minutes.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Can't help it. I got to put my left foot on a yellow dot. So how's your father?

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Wow. Today, even with the rise of video games, board games in the US are more than holding their own. Thanks to Kickstarter. Interestingly enough, the crowdfunding platform, lower costs of production and online communities, players can enjoy hits like Settlers of Catan, Wingspan, Exploding Kittens, Ticket to Ride, which is a railroad game, interestingly, and all sorts of other different ones. My kids and their generation are crazy into the game. The card games and the board games and the character playing games.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Board games are really all about the hanging around with your friends or family. That's what it is. I mean, we always do lots of Uno at our big cousin Christmas family get together. And it's not about the freaking game, obviously.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you hope to avoid ruin, humiliation, suicide, and puncture wounds or whatever else was on that list.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That one is pretty funny. Severe burns, you lost an eye. You have to go back three spaces.

[Child]

Dang it. I only had one eye left.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is fun, kids, but prior to,

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

you know, pick the date, there literally was nothing else to do. Cold winter night, it's dark now and it's five o'. Clock. What are you going to do for the rest of the evening with no Radio. No. Tv? No. Maybe no. Books.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Play a little landlord's game to warn your kids about the dangers of concentrated wealth. Have you learned your lesson, children? Now go to bed. That was fun.

[Joe Getty]

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[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

The word is scary. Crypopreservation. I guess that's the official term for freezing a brain and bringing it back alive. And it's never been possible till now in that when you freeze a brain, it destroys the cells and you can't thaw it out and have it still work. But they figured out a way to freeze the cells in such a way that it doesn't destroy them. And they sliced up brain tissue from mice and have frozen them for a week or so and then thawed them back out. The freezing and the thawing have to be very careful and still gotten a brain activity. That could happen. So they haven't done it with a full brain yet.

[Jack Armstrong]

But this woke up and said, where am I?

[Child]

What's happening to me?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Same day, different cheese, you know? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

How about the length of time? Because you can get freezer burn.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

But obviously this opens the door, if they can perfect this to all kinds of wonders where someone could have a terrible disease, freeze the brain, get to the point that we can cure the disease and then, you know, reanimate your brain.

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But.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

But we'd have to. You'd have to put it in a body, though, in that case, because we still haven't perfected the brain transplant. So what good does it do to have to bring. To freeze a brain outside of a body, bring it back alive. And now you're what, a guy who lives in a jar?

[Jack Armstrong]

According to 50s sci fi movies. Yes. Yeah. And you can speak and stuff like that?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, you can speak, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

And command people to kill, as I recall from some movie I watched as a kid.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Boy, that gets into some serious thinking about human nature. If I am, I don't. I want to. I don't want to make this dark. But like, if I, if, If I'm. If I lose the ability to do anything, speak or move my body at all, and I'm just a brain, do I want to live like that? Well, that's what you'd be, in a jar.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could I, like, do crossword puzzles and stuff like that? Surely Elon Musk can. You're gonna do crossword puzzles all day,

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

every day, for the rest of eternity? Well, that's just a princess.

[Jack Armstrong]

For the rest of eternity. I mean, you'd have a lifespan, right? It'd just be long later. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd watch TV and watch golf. I'd think, boy, I watched. I wish I could play golf, but I don't have a body. I keep forgetting.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I'd watch tv.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. I would read books.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I just don't know if there's being just a brain. How are you going to hold these books?

[Jack Armstrong]

You don't need to go to the

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

library, get the book.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's right. I have no eyeballs. You surely. Well. And I have no ears. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Unless they perfect all those other things, who would just want consciousness? Can't see, hear feelings, do anything. But I'm alive.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, that's. That's horrifying nightmare.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yes, it is a horrifying nightmare.

[Jack Armstrong]

It limits you. That's the understatement of the end.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That is the subtle joke of the day. Michelangelo's subtle comment of the day. It limits you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well done. Would be limiting for those who are fans of science. I find this super, super interesting. The problem, and they've always talked about this as various rich people or ball players or whatever were going to get their heads frozen, that when you freeze tissue, ice crystals form.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And as the water freezes, the crystals expand. They puncture membranes, disrupt the intricate network of neurons, ultimately destroy the connections that make the brain what the brain is. But this team of neurologists in Germany circumvent the problem by using a technique known as vitrification, which cools tissue so rapidly that it prevents ice crystals from forming at all. Instead of crystallizing, the liquid inside and around, the cells transform into an amorphous glass like state, preserving the tissue structure. With all molecular motion effectively halted.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I think I read the whole article, though I don't think it ever got to the next step that we've just been discussing. Okay, so even if you can take a brain, freeze it and thaw it back out and it still functions, you got a long way to go before you've accomplished anything. In my mind, you got to be

[Jack Armstrong]

able to put it a thousand miles. We got to start. You got to put it in a body. Well, it's right, but there's no point in doing the other stuff until you can figure out you can preserve a brain. So this is the first step, an important first step. I need eyes and arms, something that I can't imagine.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, yeah, but anybody's brain's been formed frozen in the past. Ted Williams, the baseball player froze his brain. Walt Disney. They didn't freeze it in the right way, so they're out of luck. They're just frozen brains that won't ever work.

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to our surprise and Delight, Farida on CNN's what the Hell's in Compass Point GPS that's it. Unleashed a 6 minute 13 second screed last night that was utterly calm, gentlemanly non bomb chuckery and an incredibly thorough indictment of the misgovernance of the state of California. It was absolutely terrific. He's a man of, I would say, the center left. He used to make me a little nuts talking about foreign policy because he was very much the internationalist. But I think this is so good. Let's start with 51 and work our way.

[Fareed Zakaria]

Michael the frustration is real and justified. California is one of the most dynamic places on the planet. It has Silicon Valley, Hollywood, world class universities, extraordinary agriculture, ports, talent and natural beauty. But it is a case study in how a rich society can spend more and more while producing less and less of what its ordinary citizens need. The paradox of California today is a successful economy attached to a failing model of governance. Consider the fiscal record. Since 2000, California's population has grown by roughly 15%. But the state's general expenditures have grown more than 200%, from 78 billion to about $248 billion. General spending per person has risen from about 2,300 to about $6,300. The number of state employees has grown by more than 50% by one count. Does anyone think that California government and its benefits have gotten 200% better in the last 25 years?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I live here, so I know it's not true.

[Announcer]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I knew the expenditures and number of employees had skyrocketed, but that is beyond, I mean beyond reasonableness. Certainly is practically beyond imagination. It is a giant jobs program for cronies and lackeys. The giant.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

The state employee number has grown 50% this century.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Wow. So in the next section he talks about the failure of housing in California. And the essence of it is that California produces new dwellings at a rate that is a tiny fraction of other functioning governments production of those dwellings because of incredibly strict zoning and hypocritical zoning. And also the you can sue developers over A list of 150 different ridiculous things as a blackmail so they have to pay you off. And how that culture is rampant in California and so they under build housing. Let's move on to 53 where he talks about education.

[Fareed Zakaria]

Oh, look at education. For years, California schools had a plausible excuse. They were underfunded. Total spending on education through 12th grade has more than doubled since the early 2000s. And per pupil spending by 2023 was well above the national average. Yet the results remain dismal. In the 2024 Nations Report Card, California was 43rd in fourth grade math, 39th in fourth grade reading, 36th in eighth grade math and 38th in eighth grade reading.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Well, that Gavin didn't like this. He's hoping that, and he's right that nobody watches CNN weekend shows. But you know, whoever's opponent, if he would end up being the nominee, they're gonna grab this stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, yeah. I hope it goes viral. I hope it gets retweeted and sent around a million zillion times. Yeah. The educational system is absolutely miserable. Go ahead, play the next chunk, Michael.

[Fareed Zakaria]

California's headline prosperity, poverty generated in good part by a few industries like high tech masks weaknesses underneath. Job creation has been sluggish. In 2025, California essentially failed to add any new jobs on net. Private industries outside government and government supported health care actually shed jobs. According to the center for jobs and the Economy, the state is using public spending to paper over private sector stagnation.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Correct. Yeah, Significant net loss of jobs. If you exclude government which we discussed in government supported health care directly government supported. Let's talk about homelessness in 54 Michael.

[Fareed Zakaria]

Homelessness tells the same story in a more painful register. A 2024 audit revealed California had spent $24 billion on the problem over a five year span. Yet in 2024, California reached a record high in homelessness, almost 200,000 homelessness did decline by about 3% from 2024 to 2025. But the state's expansive, expensive and elaborate homelessness aid complex has not proven to solve homelessness in any significant way.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

You don't have to be a genius

[Jack Armstrong]

to know that now there was a headline in the very left Sacramento B the other day. The Capital California audit of Sacramento homeless shelter costs showed no strong link to good outcomes. They couldn't find a link to it doing any damned good. Yet the money continues to flow.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I'm not an accountant. I can look around. You spent millions of dollars. It looks worse than it used to be.

[Jack Armstrong]

So what is happening right, right now? The next section, Fareed, goes into a couple of minutes on la and it's long. And to summarize some of it, you know what? Go ahead, do 56 Michael and then we'll go from there.

[Fareed Zakaria]

Nowhere is this more vivid than Los Angeles, where Hollywood, the city's defining industry, is in slow motion collapse. The effects are being felt not by celebrity actors and influencers, but the carpenters, costumers, sound engineers, camera operators, editors, drivers, caterers, dry cleaners, prop houses and small businesses that once formed one of the world's great industrial clusters.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then he goes into the statistics about the number of shooting days in LA are just they're down 85% shooting

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

films, not shooting other people.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good point. Those days are up, but the shooting films days are down. All those gigantic sound stages and movie sets and, and complexes are empty. They're just completely empty. And all of those working class people, many, many of whom, I would guess lean left and vote for these policies of way over regulation, insanely high taxes, lawsuits for everything. They probably support those policies, which is tragic. Then in 58, he summarizes the LA situation.

[Fareed Zakaria]

Hollywood is still the symbol, the brand, the mythology. And it still houses the big studios that produced most of the world's greatest entertainment for almost a century. But thanks largely to high taxes, costs and regulations, the work has moved elsewhere, to Georgia, New Jersey, Toronto, London and Warsaw. Michael Linton, who ran Sony Entertainment, told me that the big studio lots look like ghost towns now, now with tens of acres of sound stages and recording studios. When nothing is happening, he said Los Angeles is becoming a Sunny version of Detroit. Consider the simple fact. According to Fortune, none of the 10 films nominated for best picture this year were primarily produced in Hollywood. Los Angeles still hosts the Oscars, but increasingly it does not actually make the movies being oscillated honored there.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

So I've toured the big movie lots just in the last couple of years. To my kids doing the tourist thing. Universal and Warner Brothers. Yeah, they. That's interesting. So they, they look so, it's more of like, it's like going to an old west old western town that used to be, you know, during the gold rush or something like that, and all these buildings that used to be saloons and whorehouses or whatever, but they're no longer those things things. They're, they're, they're selling candy to kids as tourist stuff. So now the big movie lots are a tourist thing to go to to see where some of the best movies, you know, of the last hundred years were made. And you can use Star wars and Jaws or you know what of all these great movies, but they're not doing it anymore.

[Child]

Where are the great movies made now, dad?

[Jack Armstrong]

Literally anywhere but California, son.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That's interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Enjoy the tour. Finally, this.

[Fareed Zakaria]

For years, Democrats in California have governed without any real competition. The recent primary results suggest that even in deep blue territory, voters are restless. They're not becoming Republicans. But they are asking a reasonable question. Why does a state with so much money, talent and promise make life for ordinary people so hard?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Good question.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's an excellent question. I don't know that I saw enough unrest to give me a lot of optimism in the recent primaries, but it registered on the Richter scale of this sucks the sucker scale.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Well, as long as people have their identities, their entire identities tied into a political party.

[Jack Armstrong]

So true.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

It's, it's different than like I've never had my identity tied into a car brand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I don't know, would be another good example, but just a lot of restaurants or something. You know, this place has got better chicken at a lower price. I don't care. I'm just going to go to the one I like the best and has the most bang for the buck. My identity is not tied up in it, apparently. Especially now we have our, we have our self worth tied up in being an R or a D so much. We just won't change.

[Jack Armstrong]

And remember, if you're a, if you're a D, one of the cornerstones of your identity is that conservatism is evil. Republicans are evil. Not wrong, not misguided, not where the party Is policy wise right now. Doesn't suit me. No, they are eternally evil. And so, I mean, it's like the most extreme example of changing your identity you can imagine. It makes going trans look subtle.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

You're the political scientist.

[Fareed Zakaria]

Answer.

[Jack Armstrong]

One more. One more thought. I like how Fareed said they haven't become Republicans. I mean, right?

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on, let's be reasonable here.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Disgusting. So we know what states that are too blue look like. We just described one. What are states that are too red? They're one party, but Republican. Is there. Is there something bad that happens?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think they can go a little far in like outlawing things that are harmlessly lefty dopey, like. Like what? Oh, gosh, I'd have to think about it for a while. I don't know, you know, passing resolutions to end gay marriage or something like that. Even though it'll never get by. Constitutionally a little too fundamentalist. It's generally a subset of conservatism that is really feeling its oats. And there's no, there's no pushback. I, you know, I. If you want, I can work on it and come up with some examples for you.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I should ask.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fairly rare, though. See, the problem is there's no such thing as a right wing bubble that's as bubbly as a left wing bubble for the reasons we've discussed many times.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Right. I should ask a lefty that. Like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

They cite abortion rights. Nobody can get an abortion anytime, including, you know, victims of rape, incest, or right, you know, terrible help, threat to the mother, that sort of thing.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Other than that, wonder what it would be.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, they would invent stuff. And my proof is all of the talk about how if Trump is reelected, gay marriage will end, gays will be hunted down in the streets, trans people, etc. Yeah. Hey, hey, Let me know when that starts, all right? It'd be be scary to watch. I want to watch.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Hey, Gavin running for president. When Fareed Zakaria dedicates that much time to what a mess your state is. That ain't man on cnn.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, amen to that. Well said, metal guy.

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hating quote of the day. From communists or about communists? One silly and one great. This is from Gideon Defoe, who's an author. I don't know anything about his book, but this is just funny. Here's your first problem. He said, pointing at a sentence. Religion is the opium of the people. Well, I don't know about people, but I think you'll find that the opium of pirates is actual opium. It's a book about pirates, I guess. I don't know. I just thought it was funny. And much more significant significantly from the brilliant, the invaluable, the wonderful Ludwig von Mises in his book Omnipotent government. And I quote this I'm gonna get this tattoo on my I haven't decided which body part face show some real commitment. How about we go with neck? Can we compromise and do a neck tat? Every step which leads from capitalism toward planning is necessarily a step nearer to absolutism and dictatorship.

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Oh wait, hang on, hang on. This is rough. We had to sit here and listen to Hillary Clinton. Oh, devastating. I just made myself cringe. Wow.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Moving on.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Practically my life story. Curtis here in Santa Rosa, California. Here's one of our local safeways. Same one that only has one exit now. So you know what's escape is more controlled. Looks like the Reverend Al Sharpton Reverend in quote was finally right about something. They are locking up the toothpaste in Santa Rosa, California. K Byto keep buying your toothpaste online. Yeah, virtually all products are locked up in vast swaths of California and it's spreading across America. Insane in in red states and places. I never dreamed it would happen.

[Fareed Zakaria]

They're locking up my toothpaste.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Yeah, I know. Somebody mentioned that to me about one of the red towns around here the other day. They said the first time they ever went to their CVS and one of these red towns around here and things were locked up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lawlessness spreads and once it's here, it's a war to get lawfulness back. Sleepless and Danville writes on the topic of fortune cookies, which came up at some point, one of my father's favorite jokes. We'd go out to a meal, a succulent Chinese meal, and he would slowly open his fortune cookie, read it, raise his eyebrows and exclaim. It says, help. I'm a prisoner in a fortune cookie factory. That's pretty funny.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

A fabulous running dad joke for the family.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Oh, I wish I'd have done that when my kids are younger. It'll still be funny. But it would have been even funnier when they were younger.

[Jack Armstrong]

Every single time we went out to dinner when I was a kid and he kept doing it after I was an adult every single time My dad would get the check. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Double take.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I've always done that. That's fantastic.

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You gotta. Let's see.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

That's hilarious.

[Jack Armstrong]

Punch the monkey. More like Damien the Monkey writes Brigid Schroomer in Healdsburg, California. Other than being a great band name, there's more going on than a poor little monkey and a stuffed animal. I'm with Joe when I say there's something wrong with that monkey and the other animals are clued into it. Perhaps someone needs to part the hair on his sweet little head and see if the number 666, the mark of the beast, are present. This all falls in line with the AI takeover at the end of days and makes perfect sense that the Antichrist Monkey would show up right now. Have a good weekend. The Antichrist Monkey?

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Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

Sorry, I haven't read that chapter of the Bible. Maybe this weekend I'll get to it.

[Jack Armstrong]

A number of people brought up your sweating when you eat ketchup, Jack.

[Co-host (possibly Joe Getty or Jack Armstrong)]

I'm sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why wouldn't that? What about other tomato products? Pizza. Ordinary plain tomatoes. What's the sweat factor on that? Wet and gross. I like the show anyway. And then we got this. And we'll end with this one, I think from Matt. The ketchup oddity is interesting, but a small village in the north of Sweden has many folk who don't feel pain. Vitangi, a village in unpronounceable Sweden, is known for its unique residents who exhibit congenital insensitivity to pain. The condition, also known as congenital analgesia, is a rare genetic disorder that affects the ability to feel pain or temperature.

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[Joe Getty]

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