Free The Sandwich!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: “Free The Sandwich!”

Date: December 1, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles two major themes:

1. Allegations of a US Military War Crime – Armstrong & Getty analyze the bombshell Washington Post report alleging that US military leaders ordered a second drone strike on survivors of an attack, potentially constituting a war crime.
2. AI Regulation & Existential Risk – The hosts dive deep into the rapidly developing capabilities of artificial intelligence, its potential dangers, the lack of regulations (“free the sandwich!”), and whether society can be galvanized to act before disaster strikes.

Sprinkled throughout are their trademark takes on media culture, fleeting viral topics, and some Thanksgiving holiday banter.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Allegation of a US War Crime: The “Double Tap” Strike

(02:31–16:29)

The Story (02:55–04:26)

• Context: Washington Post alleges Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth verbally directed Special Forces to finish off the survivors of a US drone attack on a drug boat, possibly a war crime.
  • Sources vary: some say the second strike was to “clear debris,” others say it targeted survivors directly.
  • “According to the Post mission commander, Admiral Frank Mitchell Bradley ordered the second strike specifically to kill the two survivors.” – Joe Getty (05:25)

Questions and Skepticism (04:50–08:12)

• Chain of Command: Hosts question how orders flow, whether communications are recorded, and if there’s physical evidence (video).
• Congressional Response: Both parties (including key Republican chairs) are opening inquiries.

Political Dimensions (07:19–08:12)

• Motivation and Cynicism: Jack voices cynicism about Democrats possibly using the incident for political gain rather than out of concern for human rights. Joe insists the fundamental issue is whether a war crime occurred, regardless of motives.

Congressional Commentary (08:26–09:47)

• Clips from Reps. Mike Turner & Don Bacon (Republican defense/intel): Both say if true, it’s a clear illegal act and “a violation of the law of war. When people want to surrender, you don’t kill them. And they have to pose an imminent threat.” – Don Bacon (~09:03)
• Jack: “It’s hard to believe that two people on a raft trying to survive would pose an imminent threat.” (09:08)

Media Critique (09:35–10:02)

• Hosts express frustration over media’s use of anonymous sources, lack of follow-up, and comparison to past “scandals” that fizzled.
  • “If it turns out this didn’t happen, how about a little pressure on the Washington Post to not put out this sort of crap…” – Jack Armstrong (09:23)

Military Training & War Crimes (11:02–14:10)

• Armstrong and Getty ponder whether US drone pilots are trained in laws of war and how real-time decisions are made.

Expert Takes (13:17–14:15)

• Clip from Gen. Barry McCaffrey: “The easy question is whether or not we are allowed to use lethal force against people clinging to wreckage. They have submitted. They’re no threat to the US military forces. That seems to me, it needs to be investigated…It’s no different than a Nazi submarine machine gunning survivors in the water of a sunken ship in World War II.” – Gen. McCaffrey (13:29)

Summing Up (14:53–16:29)

• Urgency for clear documentation/video evidence.
  • “It’s very easy to get to the bottom of. Then whichever committee just needs to say, okay, we need to see videotape, like, by noon today.” – Jack Armstrong (15:25)
• Frustration at government delays and obfuscation.
• Open call for expertise or military input from listeners.

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2. The Existential Threat of Artificial Intelligence

(19:07–39:35)

Why AI Should Be the Top Issue (19:07–20:59)

• Jack: “I might want to get super involved in the AI argument because it might be the most important thing that’s ever happened in the history of the world.” (19:07)
• Intro to Eliezer Yudkowsky’s new book: “If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies”—AI pioneer turned doomer.

Misleading Comfort: Chatbots Aren’t “AI” (25:27–27:37)

• Armstrong warns that reliance on chatbots (e.g., ChatGPT) gives a false sense of understanding; the true risk is much greater.
• Reference to Yudkowsky and Elon Musk’s warnings. “Elon said the other day he thinks there’s a 10 to 20% chance that AI destroys mankind. Why in the hell would you build anything that there’s even a 10% chance that it destroys all mankind?” – Jack Armstrong (27:09)

Calls for Moratorium – “Free the Sandwich!” Regulation Analogy (29:37–30:45)

• Yudkowsky and others want governments and companies to halt AI development until more is understood.
• “One of the points being made is we have way more regulations on sandwiches in America currently than we do on AI. It’s not even close. There are almost…free the sandwich. There are almost zero. Almost zero regulations on AI at this point.” – Jack Armstrong (29:52)

International Dilemma: China and Global Action (30:45–32:12)

• Classic “what about China?” debate—would a US-led pause even matter if geopolitical adversaries race ahead?

Can Mass Mobilization Happen? The Politics of Trying to Stop AI (36:12–38:18)

• Jack ponders whether a broad public movement (marches, demonstrations) could pressure politicians on AI before partisanship poisons the cause.
  • “If Trump weighs in one way or the other on AI, forget it, we’re done. Or if some pundit, you know, assigns…being pro AI is what Trump wants or being anti AI is Trump, it’d be like masks and vaccines and everything else. It’s over at that point.” – Jack Armstrong (37:21)

Philosophical Arguments: What Would a Superintelligent AI Do? (32:49–34:40)

• Emailer “JT in Livermore” suggests that super AIs might have greater empathy, based on higher intelligence.
• Jack counters with historical existential risk examples—Nazi Germany as a highly cultured society committing atrocities.

The Timeline Question (35:53–36:12)

• AI “milestones/benchstones” could be just 5–10 years away, say AI insiders interviewed by Armstrong.
• “So far it has been on the forward end of things happening as opposed to the back end.” – Jack Armstrong (36:10)

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3. Other Notable Topics

The “Man Keeping” Viral Article and Modern Feminism (19:17–21:28)

• Hosts lampoon an article defining “man keeping” as a form of emotional labor, mocking debates over gender roles and the rebranding of ordinary acts of love.

Demographics and Western Culture (43:56–44:24)

• Sobering stat: In Canada, over 42% of children born last year had foreign-born mothers, up from 21% in 1997.
  • Joe Getty: “The west is rapidly becoming…not the west anymore.” (44:07)

Thanksgiving Banter & “Leftover Regret” (44:41–45:22)

• The team laments the pain of attending Thanksgiving dinner at someone else’s house: “No leftovers sucks.” – Jack Armstrong (45:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If it was as if the article said, that is a violation of the law of war. When people want to surrender, you don’t kill them. And they have to pose an imminent threat.” – Don Bacon, Rep. (R), clip (09:03)
• “It’s very easy to get to the bottom of. Then whichever committee just needs to say, okay, we need to see videotape, like, by noon today.” – Jack Armstrong (15:25)
• “Elon said the other day he thinks there’s a 10 to 20% chance that AI destroys mankind. Why in the hell would you build anything that there’s even a 10% chance that it destroys all mankind?” – Jack Armstrong (27:09)
• “One of the points being made is we have way more regulations on sandwiches in America currently than we do on AI. It’s not even close. There are almost… free the sandwich.” – Jack Armstrong (29:52)
• “If a whiff of partisanship comes into this, it’s over. If Trump weighs in one way or the other on AI, forget it, we’re done.” – Jack Armstrong (37:21)
• “Japan didn’t have mutually assured destruction in 1945, right? And, well, they were on the receiving end.” – Joe Getty (39:27)
• “The west is rapidly becoming…not the west anymore.” – Joe Getty (44:07)
• “No leftovers sucks.” – Jack Armstrong (45:06)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Breaking Down the Alleged War Crime & Media Reporting: 02:31–16:29
• Thanksgiving, viral culture, and “man keeping”: 19:07–21:28
• AI: Existential Risk & Lack of Regulation: 25:27–39:35
• Western Demographics & Immigration: 43:56–44:24
• Thanksgiving Leftovers & Final Thoughts: 44:41–45:51

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Episode Tone & Style

Consistent with Armstrong & Getty’s style, the episode blends deep policy concern, rapid-fire skepticism, gallows humor, and cultural pop shot-taking. They openly wrestle with the limits of knowledge, their own bias, and the failures of both media and government to meet the moment. Their tone is irreverent yet thoughtful, mixing sarcasm (“free the sandwich!”) with solemn warnings about AI and war crimes.

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Closing Summary

For listeners concerned about both immediate global scandals and the long-term future of humanity, this episode delivers robust, skeptical debate on what matters most—whether the U.S. military may have committed a war crime, and whether the world is sleepwalking toward AI-driven doom. All of it is filtered through Armstrong & Getty’s signature blend of seriousness, cynicism, and snark.

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Missed the episode? This summary gives you every essential argument, quote, and moment that mattered—just as Jack, Joe, and their guests delivered it.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. Number one. I don't know that that happened and Pete said he did not want them. He didn't even know what people were talking about.

[Joe Getty]

So we'll look at, we'll look into it.

[Jack Armstrong]

But no, I wouldn't have wanted that. Not a second strike. So that's a story that's burbled up over the last couple of days of. So when we blasted, I think it was the first drug boat we blasted. After we blasted it, there were a couple of people clinging to the boat. And then according to the Washington Post, Pete Hegseth ordered those two people to be blasted again, which would be a violation of all that is good and decent. Here is a report on NBC about that. Then we'll discuss the Washington Post. Citing two sources with direct knowledge reports, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth issued a verbal directive to target a boat suspected of ferrying drugs, with one source saying the order was to, quote, kill everybody. But the Post reports when it was discovered two people on board had survived the strike, the special operations commander ordered a double tap, a second strike that killed the survivors. One source telling the Post the follow on strike was to clear the debris of the wreckage for other boats, not to kill the survivors. Now these are anonymous sources from the Washington Post. They're the original reporting on this. Nobody has confirmed those reports that I'm aware of yet. Every story I saw about this today, NBC, whoever I was watching, they'd all say we have not individually confirmed these reports. From the Washington Post, Pete Hegseth says that is not what happened. That was news to him. Trump says if it did happen that way, I would have not have wanted it. Which is interesting.

[Joe Getty]

But I'm sorry, who said, was it Pentagon sources who said the second strike was to clear debris? So that was acknowledging a second strike occurred. Okay, so the only question then remaining is were there survivors clinging to that wreckage and did the US Military know it before they fired the kill shots of people who are obviously no military threat?

[Jack Armstrong]

The thing is that is a war.

[Joe Getty]

Crime and the crime is murder.

[Jack Armstrong]

The thing I really don't know that needs to be nailed down. I haven't heard anybody talk about is how much, how many people are involved in this communication between Pete and whoever, you know, how many people are down the line from Pete to somebody else to somebody else, to somebody else who actually pulls the trigger on the aerial shot from the drone? I mean, I don't, I don't know how many people are involved there and then there. Is there any record of that communication? Do they record that? Is it a verbal? I don't know any of these things.

[Joe Getty]

Questions? All yeah, The Free Press is writing about it. According to the Post mission commander, Admiral Frank Mitchell Bradley ordered the second strike specifically to kill the two survivors. So he allegedly, he would certainly be guilty of the war crime. And depending how the direct the order was from Pete Hegseth, he might be as well, I guess, you know, allegedly. And then it's worth pointing out we have Republicans joining in the, hey, we've got to figure out what happened here cry. It's not just, you know, the usual suspects.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. You only open an investigation in the House of Representatives if the majority of party wants it. And they've opened investigations in a couple of different committees in the House of Representatives because the Republican committee chairs have said, yeah, we want to look into this. Also a Senate committee looking into it. And is it just a coincidence that the week before this story broke, the Republican, the Democrats put out that video of you do not have to follow illegal orders. You do not have to follow illegal orders. And that whole dust up, is it just a coincidence that that happened right before this information came out?

[Joe Getty]

That would be a hell of a coincidence.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure seems like it.

[Joe Getty]

Because this attack allegedly happened on September 2nd. So, yeah, you absolutely could believe that. There were leaks and people were hearing, oh, this was a clear war crime in the blasting the drug boats thing. And, and that's why they, they put out that video. It makes more sense now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Because it kind of seemed like it came out of nowhere. Although would they be after this? What is it, Admiral? What. Whoever.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, Bradley.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I, I'm, I'm pretty cynical about our politics today. I'm not sure how many of these Democrats who are making a big deal out of this are actually concerned about these Venezuelans clinging to the boat versus they want a scalp in the Trump administration to damage the Trump administration, which is more important to them. So I feel like some admirable. No, admirable. I did it not to do. I feel like some admiral whose name nobody had ever heard before would be enough for them to feel like they got a victory.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't disagree with anything you said, but I don't think it's appropriate to look at this story through the lens of what is the motivation of Democrats, whether it is holy or unholy. If a war crime was committed, we got to get to the bottom of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I guess I was assuming that it didn't happen the way it's being portrayed in the Washington Post. And we don't know that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't know. No idea. The fact that Were you going to play our two Congress fellows?

[Jack Armstrong]

I wasn't, but we can.

[Joe Getty]

Let's do it. 63 and 4, back to back. Mike Turner and Don Bacon, Both Armed Services Committee guys or House Intelligence Committee guys? Both Republicans.

[Jack Armstrong]

Congress does not have information that that had occurred. Both the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and ranking members have opened investigations. Obviously, if that occurred, that would be very serious. And I agree that would be an illegal act. If the facts go to where the.

[Joe Getty]

Washington Post article takes it, well, then we'll have to go from there.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if it was as if the article said, that is a violation of.

[Joe Getty]

The law of war. When people want to surrender, you don't kill them. And they have to pose an imminent threat.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's hard to believe that two people on a raft trying to survive would pose an imminent threat. I would just like to have somebody point out that if it turns out this didn't happen, how about a little pressure on the Washington Post to not put out this sort of crap because that happens a lot too, where you get these stories with anonymous sources. They become a big deal for a couple of 24 hour news cycles, then they kind of drizzle away and nobody.

[Joe Getty]

Ever gets back straight years during the Russia collusion hoax. Please, Adam Schiff, you scumbag.

[Jack Armstrong]

No kidding. And then never nobody ever circles back to say, hey, that stuff that didn't turn out to be true, that's not cool.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Right. Just take down the Washington Post. Sorry, Jeff Bezos, I know you wasted a lot of money on it, but I'm sorry, we're shutting it down. Yeah, we'll just have to wait for the facts to come out. It's troubling. We need to be better than the worst people on earth as a country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's getting it pretty hard to imagine either Pete or the guy underneath him thinking that was okay.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, it is. I mean, that would be extraordinary, Pete. I mean, if Pete said something to the effect of kill them all, which I think is in the Washington Post story. I can't remember the phrase exactly. And this guy interpreted that to kill helpless survivors. Yeah. That would be an enormous error in judgment. The sort of which results in, you know, prosecutions. The commander overseeing the operation.

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[Joe Getty]

Bragg in North Carolina, this Admiral Bradley, told people on the secure conference call, according to the Washington Post, that the survivors were still legitimate targets because they could theoretically call other traffickers to retrieve them and their cargo. According to two people, he ordered the second strike to fulfill. Hegseth's directive that everyone must be killed.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I don't know anything about this. So if you're in that line of work, you're the sort of person that pulls the trigger on the drone to blast these people in the boat. Are you taught all of this in some sort of training or are you just supposed to know it from watching movies? I mean, I don't know that. Would you have been taught now if you hit the boat and there are survivors, they're no longer a threat, so it'd be illegal to kill them. Are you actually taught that? I would hope so, but maybe. Maybe are, maybe aren't. I don't know if you. If you know anything about this, like you served in the military and you got that sort of training, let us know on the text line or the email.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm looking to see if we have any decisive knowledgeable emails. No, just a bunch of dopey comments online.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, this is a grade A scandal. If it can be substantiated in any way, it would drive Hegseth out of his job and perhaps have some sort of trial or something.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. Here's a Trump loyalist says, Joe, you're missing a possibility. Maybe the Dems made that illegal order video because they were going to plant a false story about Hegseth.

[Jack Armstrong]

Moy. See that?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's a stretch.

[Jacob Goldstein]

God.

[Joe Getty]

And this from Robert. So the WaPo reports something quoting anonymous sources. Why is that given any credibility at all, given the history of the WaPo with fabricating things? The dude was just put in place. That would be the admiral on August 1st. Navy Seal. I'm guessing he knows the law and is not afraid of the secretary of Defense. This is an entire argument against a straw man to put and keep it in the news. Unless there's proof this order exists or something happened illegal. It's just people trying to whip up news. Yeah, you know what? And he says our media is so broken. I would agree with you. And both Don Bacon and Mike Turner said if this is true, it's a serious deal. But all right, now we're in the let's let the facts come out part of the process.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm kind of interested. I often like what Barry McCaffrey says. Retired general. He's usually on NBC. Can we hear 67? I'd just like to hear his take on this. The easy question is whether or not we are allowed to use lethal force against people clinging to wreckage. They have submitted their no threat to the US Military forces. That seems to me, it needs to be investigated, need to be confirmed. It seems to me clearly an illegal order and a war crime. And this admiral should have. When. When he got. Allegedly got this verbal order from the Secretary of Defense, should have put it in writing, said, we will not comply, and explained why. So that one's straightforward. It's no different than a Nazi submarine machine gunning survivors in the water of a sunken ship in World War II.

[Joe Getty]

For which they were prosecuted at the Nuremberg trials and executed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Man. And so how fast does this stuff happen, too? So the first shot on the boat, how much time was there between the first strike and the second strike? Probably not a lot, I'm guessing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the WaPo account is. Took a while for the smoke to clear. Nevadi was surprised to see survivors, and the order was given. Hit him again. But again, at this point, I feel like the entire question is, okay, did that stuff actually happen in the way it was described? If so, okay, then the process begins. If not, let's move on with our lives. After kicking the hell out of the WaPo for, you know, false stories, again.

[Jack Armstrong]

There needs to be better reporting on. On how this whole thing works, and I'm surprised that's not included. That's one of the reasons that makes me very skeptical about this. Because if I'm the reporter receiving this information from some anonymous source, I'm asking, okay, how does the chain of command work here? Pete? Talks to who? Who talks to who? Who actually fires the rocket or the missile. Is all of this videotaped? We've seen the video of the original strikes on a lot of these boats. Are all of them videotaped? So are you claiming there is a videotape of this out there also? I would ask those questions if I was the reporter receiving this information and include that in my report. And say videotape exists of this, for instance, because that would be a big deal. It's very easy to get to the bottom of. Then whichever committee just needs to say, okay, we need to see videotape, like, by noon today. I'm always surprised at how long it takes to answer these questions. Seems like they should be answerable, like, in an hour.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, of course. But everybody lawyers up and drags their feet as much as possible. I mean, you can have the most legitimate request in the world for information from the government. And it's just. It's.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's.

[Joe Getty]

It's like, you know, I don't know, mining for rare earth minerals.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you have Republican committees, in theory, trying to protect a Republican administration? And a Republican Sec def and all that. I would think they'd all want to yeah, let's get the video out. This is what happened. Unless something bad happened. Yeah, interesting. Any thoughts? Text us please. 415295 kftc armstrong and getty the only.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I might want to get super involved in the AI argument because it might be the most important thing that's ever happened in the history of the world. Want to talk about that? Coming up next segment.

[Joe Getty]

Became aware of this new book, a Kinder, Gentler Feminism. The. Well, the title is actually the Dignity of Dependence, a feminist manifesto that Caleb Bartch reviewed. Super interesting. We don't really have time to get into it now, but the author, who's a woman, talks about, you know, feminism got way off track. But it got off track when it began to deny women's essential differences from men. She observes with great acuity, depth and wisdom that much of feminism today seeks to make women more like men insofar as they are autonomous and impenetrable, blah, blah, blah. And just that. That's a very perverse way to look at empowering women. There's no make them into men.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's no doubt that that's true, though. A lot of modern feminism is just if you're anything that's not being like a woman is wrong.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. It's just crazy. And then that reminded me something else I'd seen. And I'd mentioned earlier in the show that in the midst of my holiday revelry and a lovely time with my family, I made the mistake of clicking on an article in the New York Post which was just a perfect example of Internet snipey, bitterness, superiority trolling, the rest of it. Here's another good one. This is a Vice article that came out a couple of months ago, but now it's gone viral. It's about man keeping. I will quote, man keeping describes the emotional labor women end up doing in heterosexual relationships. It goes beyond remembering birthdays or coordinating social plans. It means being your partner's one person support system, managing his stress, interpreting his moods, holding his hand through feelings he won't share with anyone else. All of it unpaid, unacknowledged, and often unreciprocated.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are we talking about?

[Joe Getty]

Well, man keeping. And as Nellie Bowles writes, when I was young, it was called loving someone, man or woman. You do a lot of that stuff for your partner. But now we call it man keeping and we hate it. Oh, do we hate it. Holding his hand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ew.

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Through feelings.

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He won't share with anyone but you.

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And it's unpaid. This is worse than an internship.

[Jack Armstrong]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Joe Getty]

That.

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[Joe Getty]

That is a viral whatever that means. Article on the Internet that's really making the rounds for young women. Can say I don't need that. This man keeping oh, good grief. Unplug the effing Internet. I'm gonna miss buying stuff online, but I'll schlep to the store. I'll write letters, I'll call people on the telephone. I unplug the Internet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's too late to unplug the Internet. Is it too late to unplug the A dot? The idea of AI taking over the world and destroying mankind probably isn't too late. But we'd all have to rally together. Which I might be interested in trying to start.

[Joe Getty]

What do I need? A sledgehammer? A crowbar? A can of gasoline? What do I Tell me and I'll bring it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stay tuned.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Every year I look forward to going.

[Joe Getty]

Out and picking out some nice pieces of jewelry for all the women in my life. From my wife to my mother to even my aunts. Everyone's getting something.

[Jack Armstrong]

And with Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Artificial intelligence in the weeks leading up to peak holiday spending, ChatGPT maker OpenAI partnered with Walmart and Target. Over half of shoppers said in a recent survey they plan to use AI this year. This year, Amazon's offering its own chatbot called Rufus, where you can take a screenshot of a shopping list and automatically add those items to your cart. How exciting is that?

[Joe Getty]

That's not that great.

[Jack Armstrong]

All the discussions we're having around AI are missing the main topic, which should be discussed probably constantly and maybe maybe the number one political topic in America, if not the top couple, as it's been pointed out by a number of the people I've been watching and listening to and reading over the last several weeks about AI. These chatbots we're all using, they're like a web page as opposed to the Internet. It's got nothing to do with what AI is going to become or the impact it's going to have on the world. The fact that Chat GPT is a cooler Google, you know, that sort of thing, and it's kind of misleading people into thinking as to what AI actually is. So I've been on this kick for quite a while. If you listen, you know, the big and AI and read about it and listen to lots of podcasts about it and everything like that. The book that came out fairly recently I mentioned before the break by Ellie Yudkowski, which has gotten a lot of attention in AI circles, it's called if anyone builds It, Everyone Dies. He was the one of the biggest proponents of AI over the last several decades. One of your leading cheerleaders for AI if you ever read anything or watched a show or anything like that, or any network television show, Oprah in the afternoon, whatever, and somebody was talking about AI it was probably him up until recently when he decided, no, this is. We can't control this super intelligence is absolutely going to happen. We're creating a beast significantly smarter than us. How do we think that's possibly going to turn out to our benefit? We need to stop it immediately. And he wrote this book. If anyone builds it, everyone dies. And he's trying to get a whole bunch of people on board to do something about this. Elon said the other day he thinks there's a 10 to 20% chance that AI destroys mankind. Why in the hell would you build anything? That there's even a 10% chance that it destroys all mankind? Seems crazy.

[Joe Getty]

That is. I mean, the answer is so clear and so unimplementable at the point that it gets real good at curing cancer, for instance, we all love it and then stop.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

But it's unimplementable.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was watching it.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, for the obvious reasons we don't have the cooperation of everyone on Earth.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was watching a. I'm going to start wearing T shirts from the Doom people because I'm one of them. I'm a. I'm a doomer, definitely, that believes that it's. It's all going to go to hell. Doom Debates is a website. I've been watching a lot of practically everybody involved in this arguments within 60 miles of this radio studio. And I wish we could get some of them on the air. The Doom Debates, where they have some of the leading people on to discuss various sides of it. I was watching a Doom Debate between this guy, Max Tegmark, who I've mentioned a lot. I've read a couple of his books, Life 3.0 and a bunch of different stuff. He's an MIT scientist with this other guy who's one of your leading AI researchers who thinks it's. You know, the main pro argument from this dude is there's just no regulating it anyway. I mean, how the hell are you going to regulate it? Which he might be right about, but Tegmark and a lot of others, and this is what I might want to get involved with personally, they're trying to get people's attention and maybe have marches or something to try to alert the government. We need to come up with a plan. We're just screaming a thousand miles an hour toward developing a beast, or whatever you want to call it. That is absolutely going to doom humanity. And nobody's putting any brakes on it. What the freaking hell are we doing yet?

[Joe Getty]

Twice already you've used the word something. And I'm not saying that we shouldn't be trying to get people's attention so that they're willing to do something. Then the obvious next step is what thing?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, take Mark another tech Martin, other people's argument. And he's been, he's been trying to lobby Congress, but there's just not a enough public knowledge out there will to really have any. Any heft yet. And that's why I was wondering where maybe we can come in or I can come in or whatever. Get the media involved to alert people to what could happen would just be to say everybody's got to stop. OpenAI chat GPT Elon Zuckerberg, y', all, you gotta stop. No more until we get our heads around this and come up with some sort of regulations. One of the points being made is we have way more regulations on sandwiches in America currently than we do on AI. It's not even close. There are almost free the sandwich. There are almost zero. Almost zero regulations on AI at this point.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you know, if you're a listener to this show, you know, it's not like me to want to be pro any kind of regulation. But as he points out, you're not allowed to just make any kind of drug you want to and put it out to the people. But we have no regulations on AI for what we're just going to unleash on humanity.

[Joe Getty]

Mm. Does I assume he gets to my next, you know, devil's advocate type question is okay if we regulate it, but China does not, then where are we?

[Jack Armstrong]

That always gets sticky also, and that's one of the pushbacks from people. You'd have to have some sort of world pressure, same way we had around nuclear weapons, that inspectors going in or you have to announce when you're blah, blah, blah, all kinds of different things. Yeah, I don't know if that's because.

[Joe Getty]

We don't know what the questions and what the some things are yet. Does not in any way deny that we ought to be trying to come up with them, but boy, it's a head scratcher.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd say one of the arguments is that we're the smartest beast on earth. Every other living organism lives at our pleasure. It's only because we as a society, and this is kind of in the modern age that we've decided we want to let chimpanzees live and we should value them and not just murder them for their teeth or whatever. It's. They live at our. Even though they're the second smartest beast on Earth. Why would you think that that's not going to occur when there's a smarter thing than us that we're not going to live? It's its pleasure. Whether it wants us to be around or not. Makes sense to me. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I've got this horrible thought that when the super AI is developed, the first thing that's going to happen is Kim Jong Un is going to empty everybody's bank accounts worldwide. It's all going to flow into the North Korean treasury and that'll be it. That'll be plenty. Can you imagine?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I don't know if I don't think any individual is going to have any control. All the experts say this. No individual is going to have any control over super AI. It will do whatever the hell it wants it wants. It's not going to do the bidding of the Chinese or North Korea or us or any other human. It's going to do whatever it wants and what it wants. Nobody has the slightest idea.

[Joe Getty]

May I hit you with an intriguing email from our friend JT in Livermore about the dangers from super intelligent general AI? I think it comes down to this question. Would an intelligence vastly superior to human intelligence base its actions on the most base animalistic behaviors and emotions? Or would it be driven by a higher understanding and intelligent empathy? Claiming that a super AI would attack us out of desire for self preservation or out of paranoia or out of indifference to the value of life presupposes that the basest emotions would be the dominant drivers of the AI's action. But don't most higher thinkers believe in empathy helping those less fortunate? The sanctity of life and the beauty of life? Wouldn't a super AI be more likely to adopt those higher forms of enlightenment rather than the basest motivations of a selfish, scared toddler? And then by way of illustration, at the end of the fabulous original Blade Runner movie, the last ultra advanced replicant has almost every reason to kill the human that has killed all of his friends and that was trying to kill him. But he chose to let Harrison Ford's characters live. The character live because it believed in the beauty and sanctity of life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, one would. That'd be fantastic if it went that direction. But I don't know how you count on it. The example was used that when Germany started two world wars, they were pretty much the most sophisticated advanced society on planet Earth with the finest arts and writers and everything else. And they went completely off the rails and did the things that they did because intelligent beings are capable of doing that and convincing themselves they're doing the right thing.

[Joe Getty]

And reminder that C.S. lewis, to paraphrase him, put it that the most oppressive oppression is from people who think they're doing it for your good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

And I could easily see one power or another deciding that, you know, all of humanity would be a hell of a lot better off, you know, under our boot heel.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. One example was used is the. So the alignment problem all along has been can you align your. Whichever AIs you're talking about? And I have become aware that they all use the term AIs when they're talking about multiples. That is just the term of art. So whichever AIs you're talking about, you try to align them with some sort of morals or decency that your company puts in them. But the argument was made, and I thought this was really good, we're programmed with really one alignment completely as human beings, and that is to stay alive and procreate. Yet we invented birth control and abortion, which seems to run completely contrary to the one thing we were aligned to do. And then we regularly do things that aren't like in our best interest in terms of eating or exercising or all kinds of different things.

[Joe Getty]

Sure, smoking, yeah, we're aligned to stay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Alive, but we do all kinds of things that will kill us. So you don't necessarily stay on track. Which would be the same problem with whichever AI is built to be aligned with whatever Elon Musk or Sam Altman's goals are for the, for the supercomputer.

[Joe Getty]

So now that you've terrified everybody, what's the latest thinking on timetables? Is there any predominant opinion on when, you know, various terrifying and or awe inspiring bench stones or milestones are reached?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's all over the place.

[Joe Getty]

But bench stone, it's benchmark or milestone. Anyway, back to you.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's all over the place. But everybody agrees that we got here way faster than everybody thought we would to where we are today, ended up arriving much faster than most predictions. So so far it has been on the forward end of things happening as opposed to the back end in terms of how fast it can happen. Now, they were generally arguing in the debate I was watching last night, somewhere in the early 30s, which is only five and a half years from now, between five and 10 years from now, that it will arrive. But what do you think of the idea of trying to Raise public will to do this. Do you think you could possibly do that? Convince people? And the other thing, I would actually love to talk to these people about this. Some of the thinkers that are trying to move the masses. If a whiff of partisanship comes into this, it's over. If Trump weighs in one way or the other on AI, forget it, we're done. Or if some pundit, you know, assigns. Being pro AI is what Trump wants or being anti AI is Trump, it'd be like masks and vaccines and everything else. It's over at that point.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I don't know if there's any. Any avoiding that.

[Joe Getty]

I just keep thinking back to the hilarious movie Don't look up, which a lot of conservatives didn't like because it skewed conservatives, but I thought it skewered lefties every bit as brilliantly. I don't know that you can get that going. I don't know that you can get people to pay attention.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, like. And don't look up. There was a movement toward making sure the meat. The meteor is going to benefit so many people that we need to make sure the meteor hits here. But what if it hits in the United States and not in countries where they have, you know, more inequality, you know, all that sort of stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which absolutely will be the topic for.

[Joe Getty]

AI but meteor to destroy life. The poor and minorities affected most. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you think there's a possibility. Because we have to take a break here soon. Do you think there's a possibility that you could raise awareness, get people worked up enough that you could end up with. And I've been against every march that's occurred since 1968. But if you could, if you could get people like in the streets and say, regulate AI, let's do something about this. Do you think you could even come close to that?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. And I think it would probably be useless because of the China factor, but I don't know for sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, so far we're way ahead of them. We're the leading edge of it.

[Joe Getty]

This has to be how people felt when they saw the mushroom clouds in the 40s. They thought, this can't end well.

[Ad Read Voice]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And that's an argument for C. That everybody thought that would doom humanity. But that's been in the hands of small number of people and human beings making the decision. What if the, you know, the, the nuclear weapons didn't get to make their own decisions of what would be best for life and go ahead and develop independently of human needs?

[Joe Getty]

Well, and come on. Japan didn't have Mutually assured destruction in 1945, right? And, well, they were on the receiving end.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anybody with any thoughts on this? I'd love to hear it for, you know, Mailbag tomorrow or on the text line or whatever. It's a hell of a topic. Anyway, we will finish strong next Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Every year I look forward to going.

[Joe Getty]

Out and picking out some nice pieces of jewelry for all the women in my life.

[Jack Armstrong]

From my wife to my mother to even my aunts.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And with Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Waning moments of the first day back after a long vacation in which I gained three and a quarter pounds. Congratulations to me.

[Joe Getty]

Michael. Can we hear 47 please?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why do you blame the Biden administration? Because they let him in. Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? Because they came into on a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here and you're just asking questions because you're a stupid person.

[Joe Getty]

Love him or hate him, he's always a gentleman. Donald J. Trump.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person?

[Joe Getty]

Yes, indeed. So that's just. He's not getting more controlled. It should be interesting going forward. I play that partly as an excuse to bring this up again. We were talking earlier about how so many countries around the west have finally said openly look. And Marco Rubio made an announcement about at Thanksgiving week. Look, we're not going to import people who hate our values from the third world. It's suicide. And that's unquestionably true. And if you don't understand that, you are a fool or too dopey. Now I sound like the President to participate in the national conversation. I hope I'm not just came across this stat. Brace yourselves. The percentage of children born in Canada who had a foreign born mother last year. 42.3%.

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. That proportion is almost exactly doubled since 1997.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

The west is rapidly becoming. Not the west anymore. To support the economy, politicians and people who live here.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I don't understand the crowd that thinks that's automatically a good thing. Maybe we'll discuss that tomorrow.

[Joe Getty]

They're idiots. What's to understand? They're idiots.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's final thoughts. I'm strong again. It's final thoughts. It's final thoughts. I'm strong.

[Joe Getty]

Get ready with Katie Green and Michael Angelo.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's your host for final Thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day. There is our technical director, Michelangelo. Michael, what's your final thought? I'm a little irritated being having to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Work today on Cyber Monday.

[Joe Getty]

I was at home, you know, I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wanted to decorate for the holidays.

[Joe Getty]

But here I am working on Cyber.

[Jack Armstrong]

Monday of all days.

[Joe Getty]

Son of a. Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie, we did Thanksgiving at someone else's house. And my only regret.

[Ad Read Voice]

No leftovers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, that's the worst part of doing Thanksgiving somewhere else. I mean, the upside, you didn't have to make the meal, you don't have to clean up. But no leftovers sucks.

[Joe Getty]

If you have any decency, you help with the cleanup. Point of order. Jack, do you have a final thought for us?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's a good point to know. Leftovers thing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean on the other hand, maybe I'm better off without a bunch of pie sitting around my house and stuffing and everything like that as I get. Did gain three and a quarter pounds.

[Joe Getty]

And my final thought is also dessert related. We had all sorts of different pies prepared for Thanksgiving dinner, but we had 12 people in the house and family and all. 12. Yeah. And so like by 2:00 clock the next afternoon, it was all gone. Damn it. I was bummed I could eat apple apple pie for breakfast every day of my life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Heck yeah. Oh, I may someday. It's got fruit in it. I mean. Exactly. Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you're going to be running out of time soon to get it to them before the holiday, you know. We'll see you tomorrow. God bless America. Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Just one thing before we go. Easy for you to say. Signed Stega store Sega Storm. That would have been a good punch.

[Jack Armstrong]

Would have been great.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah. There you go. The month is off to a bad start.

[Jack Armstrong]

Damn it. Damn it.

[Joe Getty]

Too much pie. That's your problem, Freddy Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jacob Goldstein]

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