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Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Yeti. Say this every single vacation we come back from, but I would like to endeavor to not talk about things that nobody will care about at all in a week, if it can't even last a week of being important. It doesn't deserve any gums to be flapped.
Michael
Listen to Mr. Fancy Pants wanting significance and enduring importance. I want to whip people into momentary anger and, or pleasure and pander.
Jack Armstrong
It doesn't have to be important, just entertaining. And I'm not entertained by things that don't aren't. They're not funny, they're not interesting and they're meaningless. That combination is bad. Of course. That's why cable ratings are what they are. Each show on Cable has like 80,000 people watching it, the entire country.
Michael
Coming up, Trump under fire for firing the undersecretary. Under fire. All right, so my, my sweetheart Judy and I spent eight days in London and had an absolutely wonderful time. I loved England, as I suspected I would. It's a very interesting place. I've become a fan of day drinking and not, and not, not in that like vacation drinking all day long way, but in the like, you have a pint at lunch at a pub and then you go do what you're going to do. You're not quote unquote drinking. You just have a beer because it's nice and it makes you feel slightly more cheerful.
Jack Armstrong
Why did we, how did we develop our attitude we have in the United States over the years? Because I remember when I was in Italy thinking the same thing. Everybody would come in to restaurants like people who are working their jobs. They'd have a glass of wine, eat their food and then go back to work. And that is seen in the United States is just insane, just absolutely crazy.
Michael
Yeah. The Europeans have what I would call a very European look or view of drinking that I found refreshing. Speaking of pubs, so we Rented a flat in Mayfair, if you know where that is. Doesn't matter. New Bond street, lots of like crazy high end shopping, mostly populated by Kuwaiti oil money.
Jack Armstrong
Oh wow.
Michael
By the by, guys walking up the street with four chicks and the beekeeper out really going into perfume stores and spending just ungodly amounts of oil money and lies. For real.
Jack Armstrong
That's not an exaggeration. You saw a guy walking up the street with four women in the beekeeper outfit in eight.
Michael
In eight days? Many times, yes.
Jack Armstrong
Wow.
Michael
I mean, one, two, six women in the beekeeper. Wow. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Anyway, they are basically sex slaves or cleaning your house slaves or whatever.
Michael
And everybody just tolerates that with no rights. That's correct. Yes. And Brits are not super duper happy about the completely, wildly unfettered immigration from Muslim lands over the last 20 years. More on that another time. But anyway. But out our windows onto the street there was a little like just a half a block long street and there was a pub on each side of it at the other end. It was 100 yards from us maybe as we looked out the window. And it was so cool every day and more and more as the week went on. At 4:30 or so, certainly by 5:00 clock there would be so many people standing in and outside the pub having a pint with their co workers and friends and a laugh and a conversation before they went home for the day.
Jack Armstrong
Sounds like a recipe for sexual harassment.
Michael
Oh my God. And, and it wasn't. They were drinking. No, they were talking with people because they worked with people and they met their buddies and they talked about the football match, which is soccer. And, and it just, it was so nice. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, and I thought, wow, I could get used to this in a hurry. Although the pub thing, we, we went to this one historic pub. We met our next door neighbors from home. Weirdly enough, they were over there at the same time. We decided to get together. We go to this pub, hundreds of years old pub, drenched in history, legendary. The Prince something or Lord, what's it? I don't even remember the name, but it was very atmospheric. But anyway, so we're sitting there having dinner and we're having, you know, a couple of pints and we decide it's time to eat and we order like four small plates off the menu and the waitress comes back and says, I'm so sorry, we're actually out of the calamari and the, the pucker fish or whatever the hell it was and also the, the, the beef Wellington and we're like oh, okay. It's like 6 o' clock at night. How are you? All right, all right, all right. We'll order those other things. She comes back and like two of those three are out.
Jack Armstrong
So should she ever get around to admitting we're not actually a restaurant, we.
Michael
Don'T have any food at all. Menu.
Jack Armstrong
We just hope we're working on the part. Most people start drinking, they forget if they're hungry.
Michael
So at one point I said it would save time if you just told me what you do have. But we end up with this mess of food.
Jack Armstrong
You bloody tart. Did you say that I shouldn't have? But I didn't.
Michael
No. And finally, so at the end of the evening, and it was lovely, she comes and says, can you tell me what you actually ordered and got?
Jack Armstrong
Oh boy.
Michael
And I'm like, wait a minute, that's your job. We're supposed. No, no, no, you tell us. And it was just part of it is tipping is not really a thing there. Now they've got a service charge that's like 5, 6, maybe 10%. But you feel it because they're not earning it. They're like, look, I'm getting my 6%.
Jack Armstrong
Okay, no matter what. Gotcha.
Michael
So if you have to like order 24 foods before I bring you three, just because we're playing this little game of we might have it, we might not, why don't you order? Find out. So, you know, it's, it's pluses and minuses. Because the whole tipping thing is. It's stressful, especially if you don't know local customs. But yeah. Michael, how was the food over there overall in England?
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Michael
Kinda good, not great. But once you realize how to order and what to order, it's. It's better. But yeah, the Brits are not famous for food for. For good reason. If you say, hey, what's a great meal around here? People will send you to an Italian restaurant or an Indian restaurant for. For good reason. But the other thing about workers that I found interesting, we, we had a tour guide at the British Museum who was just terrific. He was a professor of history. And, and he said, yeah, that exhibit is shut down because there employees, there's no one to work. I said, what? That's odd. He said, oh yeah. Since COVID everybody stays home, they live with their parents, they're collecting government checks, you can't get people to work.
Jack Armstrong
Wow.
Michael
And I thought that was so interesting and exactly what you hear from so many employers in the state.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, we had that conversation with my family. In the Midwest of the United States. I don't go to other countries and give them my money. I stay in the United States and for you. But we had the same conversation on how number of restaurants, including the one we were at was really they, they weren't seating all the seats not because they were crowded because they didn't have enough help. How is that still a thing?
Michael
Yeah, I know it's amazing and universally universal apparently. But so speaking of things that are shared between our two peoples, one of the headline stories on the Sunday Times of London this past Sunday was the lefty party, the new left wing party is has it has got the edge. It looks like it's going to happen getting the vote to 16 and 17 year olds. So the left party you led with.
Jack Armstrong
It looks like it's going to happen. They're actually going to let 16 year olds vote. I mean this thing has been been trotted out all the time here, there and everywhere, but it always gets laughed at and shot down. It's actually going to happen.
Michael
Yeah. And, and the left left party is going to beat out the kind of left the Labor Party because they will have the children's votes. Because you can so easily dupe children into voting for feel, feel good sounding policies. It doesn't, would never work in real life.
Jack Armstrong
It doesn't occur to people that we've never let children vote anywhere ever for a reason.
Michael
No. They make emotional sounding arguments about it.
Jack Armstrong
And if anything, if we're going to change voting ages, as we all know culture has changed so much, at least in western society, voting age should go up to like 30 because people aren't grown ups until then.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm horrified by this.
Michael
Yeah, I know, it's absolutely awful. And they did a bunch of polling the Sunday Times of how this would affect voting and it would swing everything way to the left. As I've made the point many times, the idea of 16, 17 year olds voting is entirely a lefty proposition because again, you can dupe children into believing things that adults who've been around the block a couple of times realize are false promises or they remove the incentives and disincentives for people to do the right thing. And it's terrible, terrible policy. But. But children will fall for this.
Jack Armstrong
When you're that young, it's even we tried this a dozen years ago, but you were four so you don't remember.
Michael
Right? And it was a miserable failure. In fact, it gets run up the flagpole every generation and fails every generation. But you're a child so you wouldn't know that. You shouldn't know that. Anyway, it will be the biggest change to the franchise. Oh, I'm sorry. Last month the government confirmed plans to lower the voting age 18 to 16 in time for the next election, bringing Westminster in line with blah blah, blah. It will be the biggest change to the franchise since the voting age fell from 21 to 18 in 1969. And it makes 16 and 17 year olds targets for political parties to woo. And they pulled a thousand of them and essentially the farthest left party is going to have a heyday. I want to get to some other results of this poll. The differences between boys and girls, I'm not going to call them young men and young women because a 16 year old is a child that I find really, really interesting. But instead of rushing through, why don't we take a quick break and come back with that?
Jack Armstrong
All right. And I do want to talk about the visiting my dad's one room schoolhouse from when he was a kid with my son. It was really, really interesting in a number of ways. All on the way. Stay here.
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Congress is back in session. Summer's over. School is restarted. Life is serious again. The frivolity of summer is over. No more hot dogs and beer and laying around. No more brat girl, summer or whatever the hell that is. Time to get serious.
Michael
All right, go ahead. So the story behind the story of the whole Britain is going to have children vote now is the lefty party. The Labor Party thought, hey, this is a great idea because kids will fall for anything. But then a far lefty party emerged and said, yeah, no, we're even crazier than you and the kids will flock to us. And according to the polls, they're right, probably. Yeah. It's because they're selling childlike fantasies of what the government ought to do. Oh, yeah.
Jack Armstrong
If you're, if you're a normal Democrat in the United States, you would not want 16 year olds to vote because they would all become Bernie AOC types.
Michael
Right. Right. So I found this very interesting. Asked to rate their life satisfaction on a scale of 0 to 10, girls in Britain nearly twice as likely as boys to choose an answer between 0 and 3.
Jack Armstrong
What was the question?
Michael
Rate your life satisfaction on a scale.
Jack Armstrong
Between 0 and 3.
Michael
Yeah. Twice as many boy girls as boys. On the other end of the scale, 58% of boys rate their life satisfaction as 7 out of 10 or higher. Compared to. It's only 37% of the girls.
Jack Armstrong
Man. If you're saying your life satisfaction between 0 and 3, you need a dose of perspective.
Michael
Yeah. According to the poll by the think tank that there's a gender split and other things too, boys are nearly twice as likely to support right wing parties as girls. Keeping in mind right wing in Britain is fairly Moderate.
Jack Armstrong
Right.
Michael
Some 45% of boys age 16, 17 would vote for one of the more conservative parties. 45 to 24 of the girls. The super lefty, let's see is. Well, it's the reverse. More than a third say they sympathize more with the Palestinian side in the Gaza war. 9% side with Israel. Almost half. That's. That's a very British thing to ask that. Almost a quarter of the 16 and 17 year olds say they suffered from anxiety. 34% among the girls.
Jack Armstrong
That's probably accurate.
Michael
Nearly three in five said they had stayed home from school due to anxiety. Wow.
Jack Armstrong
60% of the kids say they stayed home for anxiety. When I was in school. When you're in school, that would be roughly.00 people stayed home from school for anxiety.
Michael
69% of the girls, 48% of the boys. More than 4 in 10 spend more than 6 hours a day on their phone. 6 and 9% spend more than 10 hours.
Jack Armstrong
Says a guy who probably spends 8 hours a day on his phone. That number. 7 out of 10 girls have stayed home from school from anxiety.
Michael
Yeah. Wow. And just that that great sex divide of girls like women in, in the US because we don't let children vote, are way, way farther left than the boys, politically speaking.
Jack Armstrong
So would you guess this is an experiment that will be done away with letting children vote or. I'm leaning toward this. Once you give that age group the right to vote, it'll never go away. There'll be no getting rid of it.
Michael
I don't know. That's a great question. I think it, it might be one of those things that rectifies itself, rectifies itself over the long term because it will be a matter of miserable, miserable failure. But it takes so long. I mean it's like how long did San Francisco take to come around? I just happen to be reading that their commercial real estate situation has really turned around now partly because of it. Well, largely because of AI. But in the streets, San Francisco much cleaner. The bum junkie camps far fewer and smaller. San Francisco's really turned itself around. Credit where it's due. But how long did that take?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, but I don't understand.
Michael
Years and years and years of the failure being just plain. Everybody could see how miserable a failure all those policies were.
Jack Armstrong
But in this particular case, you give the 16 and 17 year olds the right to vote. I don't see how you'd ever get rid of it. It's going to change the politics so drastically so quickly. How would you ever end up with a majority that wants to do away with it?
Michael
Oh wow, that's an interesting point. Yeah. It's a perpetual motion machine. Yeah, I don't know. I think that could be one of the most disastrous experiments ever conducted.
Jack Armstrong
Yes, I agree this could be huge. Unless these 16 year olds when they're 40 look back on it and think I should not have been voting and to do away with it. But that could take a long time. Obviously you can do the math on that.
Michael
Well, right in the new crop of 16, 17 year olds lacking all perspective and wisdom because that's the way you're supposed to freaking be as a child. There's no avoiding it. They will say, oh yeah, yeah, no, we know what's right for the world. Up with whatever.
Jack Armstrong
As opposed to male white landowners over 30, which is what it should be.
Michael
I'm willing to expand the tent a little bit anyway. Yeah, yeah. I, I don't know. The western world is not looking super healthy to me.
Jack Armstrong
Wow, that is crazy. Well, it'll be fun to watch, you know, to, to get to have that experiment not in the United States and see how it turns out. A lot more on the way. If you missed a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Yeti on demand.
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Jack Armstrong
For some reason I was just here contemplating like what is my point to this story? And then realizing there doesn't have to be a point, it's just something that happened. I guess I got sucked into the talk radio vortex. If it has to have some greater.
Michael
Overall point and I'll tie it to Trump, don't worry.
Jack Armstrong
And I'm not sure it does. So my dad grew up in rural Iowa. He turns 88 tomorrow. 88 years old tomorrow. He's one of seven children in his family that lived on a farm with no electricity or running water. Then they moved into town Using my finger quotes, I don't know what it was. A hundred people or something like that, also with no electricity or running water. And we were there sitting with my, with my son. He wanted to see some of this stuff and meet some family. And we were in Iowa at my aunt's house. That's my dad's older sister, she's 94 and still way more with it than Joe Biden ever was there at the end. But they were talking about their childhood and everything like that. And just I was struck first of all of how hard it would have been, just how much more difficult life would have been. If you live in an urban area or on the coasts, you quite possibly are completely unaware that rural areas, particularly of the Midwest and South, it was like it was 1850 up until like 1970, I mean in a lot of places. And you just didn't know that. I read a book, Freedom from Fear, great book, won the Pulitzer Prize about FDR through the Great Depression in World War II. But anyway, he sent it turned out to be Hoover, who ended up being president out to canvas the United States and bring him back a full assessment of how people were doing. This was during the Great Depression. And he came back and told fdr, we got lots of people in this country, they don't have any electricity or running water. It was shocking to the elite in Washington D.C. and New York and San Francisco and Chicago who had had electricity since like 18, that there were people in 1950 that are 1940 that had no electricity. And so that's when they started the rural electrification program and the government attempted to get electric lines all across the country. But the elites of the country, the big cities, didn't know everybody was living such. I don't know if you use the term backward or non modern lives would be a better way to put it. Non modern lives. And my dad is one of those people. His seven brothers and sisters, it was in the 50s. He graduated high school in 1955. They went to school in a wagon drug by horses. It's unbelievable if you, if you live in San Francisco and there were cars and electricity in the 1800s, you can't even imagine that that's true. But anyway, the first half of his schooling was in a one room schoolhouse where all the grades were in one room and it was only a dozen or so kids, kindergarten through senior year. And it's. Some of those schools are still out there in their historic artifacts. There's a sign out front that says Diamond School, Iowa Historic Register. It's out In a field. It's now overgrown with bushes and trees. You can't even hardly tell it's there. In fact, we missed it a couple of times driving down this dirt road that leads to it. It's so covered up with, with, with overgrowth that we couldn't even find it, even though my dad knew where the school was. So we stop, we walk over there to it. My dad gets out his pocket knife and cuts away all the vines and stuff near the front door. And we managed to pull open the front door and actually go inside. And I got a good picture of him and my son in there at the chalkboard where my dad would have learned his letters and math and stuff like that way back in the day as a little kid.
Michael
And about the, the gender bred person.
Jack Armstrong
And of course, yeah, about the different genders that you can be and, and there was a pride flag in the corner because they spent an entire month celebrating all that. I kid, of course my son was really fascinated by that. Obviously, as you would be seeing your family heritage, not to mention just the time machine that that whole thing is. And it didn't have electricity or plumbing either. The overgrown little hut over here is behind the bushes. But I, my dad showed that's. That was the girl's outhouse and the one over here was the boys outhouse. And if you were there in class and you needed to, you know, do number one or two, you'd go out in the dead of Witter in Iowa where it might have been 30 below zero, and walk across this little field and sit there on a wooden plank with a hole in it and do your business as an eight year old girl before you go back to the school and learn your reading and writing.
Michael
I've got frostbite on my willie.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, good Lord. Absolutely amazing. Night after night. And my aunt, who's 94, talking about even when they moved to town, it was her job when they got home from school every day to get several buckets and go to the town pump and full it, fill it up with water to bring water back to the house that they would use for cooking and doing laundry. And then they got into the conversation on how much work laundry was. The women did about all day long. It was just, it was just, it was such a project just to have clean clothes, obviously. And so what do you do with that information about how much harder life was physically anyway, but so much less depression, anxiety, complaining, it seems.
Michael
Right, yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Feeling oppressed or, you know, we're doing that. We've done a couple of studies today, both in the United States and Great Britain, about people who have so much anxiety and they feel like their lives will never get better and they're miserable right now your life is so much easier than the one I just described. I mean, it's like it's being a different species. It's so much different.
Michael
Right. Easier. Well, I think if you. If you separate yourself and your life and a feeling of being judged from the conversation and you just ask the question. Human beings have always had work and in certain periods of history, leisure time, different people, different amounts. Right. And labor saving devices, technology to lessen your work and increase your leisure time have been worked on and developed and embraced just from the dawn of time. Purely abstract discussion. Is there a point where you go too far, obviously? Well, yeah. To me the answer's obvious, absolutely obvious.
Jack Armstrong
If you got up in the morning and they probably all had to work together to get some sort of breakfast together and get dressed and everything like that, and then get the horses ready and hooked up to the wagon and all the different things just to get to school and then school being what it was, and then get home and then have work immediately, as soon as you got home, you wouldn't have a lot of time to ponder how happy you were.
Michael
Right.
Jack Armstrong
None actually.
Michael
Or to worry about. Crap.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, to worry about. And then there's also the just expectations, I would imagine, because he told me he'd never been to Des Moines until he was, I don't remember how old. You wouldn't have anything to compare it to, obviously, without any sort of social media or every town around you being exactly the same and you weren't going anywhere anyway. That's a lot of where happiness or fulfillment comes from. We've talked about the studies before where, you know, if somebody gets a. You might be perfectly happy with your house, but if somebody builds a nicer house next to you, your happiness goes down. I mean, so it's all just comparing things as opposed to what you have.
Michael
Well, and studies have shown that if you're making $80,000 next to somebody who's making 70, you're happier and perceive yourself as better off than if you're making 90 next to someone who's making 100.
Jack Armstrong
Right. We even a more stark example of this is we. Henry saw his first Amish people, which me being around Iowa a lot, I'd seen that a lot. But we stopped at a little very rural town gas station and there were some Amish there and they had their buggy parked with their horses living Their Amish lifestyle. And just like you see in tv, in the movies, the big long beards and everything like that. And they had a table set up and they were selling stuff, and Henry bought some sort of, like, apple pie treat thingy. That was delicious. And I was wondering, I'll bet there's not a lot of depression and anxiety medication going on with those Amish children. Not. Probably not a lot and probably not a lot needed.
Michael
No. No.
Jack Armstrong
Will we. Will we recognize this at some point as a society and decide to. Will we be able to pull back? Will there be any push to pull. The push to pull back from any of this to make ourselves happier? Or is that just. It just is an inevitable head toward modern convenience. More stuff, faster, until we're so crazy we all just, I don't know, implode.
Michael
That one. The second one.
Jack Armstrong
The second one. Right.
Michael
I just. I don't think. And. And everybody can form their own opinion of this, obviously. I think the percentage of the human beast, the humankind that actually thinks about this sort of stuff is fairly modest. I think a lot of people just do what they see other people doing around them and they don't ever think, mark Zuckerberg isn't trying to make me happy. He's trying to make more money. His offerings, as shiny and attractive as they are, are not good for me. I'm going to reject them. Well, that's. That's not the majority of people, I don't think.
Jack Armstrong
Well, how about just for your own self? And I always use the example of those of us who ever lived any other way are going to be dead soon. And then if you were staring at a phone your entire life, you can't have the memories like Joe and I have, or anybody over the age of whatever who can at least look back and say, I remember when I could sit down with a book in the quiet and read for a couple hours and be perfectly happy, and I can't do that anymore. But there won't be anybody that can remember that.
Michael
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Or drive down the. Go on a road trip with no podcast, Netflix for the kids in the car or anything like that. And we just looked out the window and talked and everybody was perfectly fine. There won't be anybody. There won't be anybody around who can even remember that.
Michael
Right. Right. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
Jack Armstrong
It's wild, though, to hear a life described like that, which I'm sure was really freaking hard, but yet it sound appealing on some levels, like it did to me. It was Like. Well, it sounds kind of nice, right?
Michael
No, yeah, absolutely. I know what you mean. We probably ought to take a break, but there are a hell of a lot of people can. Oh, we gotta. Okay. Right. I forgot. Privileged. Delighted to bring you a message from our friends at Trust and will. You need an estate plan.
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Michael
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Armstrong we got this text. Was there still a stove in the corner of the one room schoolhouse? Yes, there was. That's how you stayed warm. Even had some sort of stove thingy on the wagon that the horses pulled because the winters are brutal in that part of the country to keep you warm enough to not die on your way to school.
Michael
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Jack Armstrong
We are not built to be amused. There is nothing in evolution that built us to be amused all the time. Yet that seems to be what most of us are seeking all day, every day. More on the way.
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The leaders of China, India and Russia tonight, hand in hand, shoulder to shoulder, all smiles, laughter and a clear message to President Trump. The warm words are an effort to show a stable and alternative world order. President President Xi Jinping rolling out the red carpet, hosting the Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit, an alliance of some of the world's most powerful nations not allied to.
Jack Armstrong
The US A challenge and a response.
Michael
To President Trump and Europe over sanctions and tariffs.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I declared this is the biggest thing going on in the world. I definitely think it is. You know, you can do cable news all day long about a judge says Trump can't immigration, blah, blah, whatever. But the biggest story in the world is this. Here's Ian panel with a little more on ABC News.
Michael
Vladimir Putin promoting a system that would replace the obsolete Eurocentric and Euro Atlantic models. In another apparent dig at the US India's prime minister who's locked in a battle with the US over sweeping tariffs, pledging warmer ties with China, aiming to be partners.
Jack Armstrong
Nothing lasts forever. It couldn't last forever that the United States gets to dominate the world scene and keep the seas open to commerce and all those sorts of things. Just like the Brits couldn't keep it forever. But we ain't gonna like what's coming next.
Michael
No, I would agree completely. And I just, I'm not thrilled with the way Trump is handling that aspect of foreign power. I think he sees the entire world through a commercial lens and if anybody wants access to our markets, they're going to dance to our tune. And if they don't, screw them, how about. And they will be punished by not having access to our markets. But I think that's, it's, it's, it's a too narrow of you and too short term.
Jack Armstrong
Here's the devil's advocate view of that would be feel free. Trump realizes that's where the world's going anyway. So we're going to make our best situation we can given the fact that the world is absolutely screaming toward different spheres of influence. There's gonna be China's chunk of the world and there's gonna be our chunk of the world. And I'm just trying to set the bet best parameters for that now.
Michael
Yeah, that's, that's fine. I just feel like he's giving up too much territory too quickly. I mean, like India, India has no reason to ally themselves with China. It's, it's, it's. No, they have much, much, much more in common with the US Than China.
Jack Armstrong
You think that.
Michael
I wonder how culturally, politically, that sort of thing.
Jack Armstrong
I wonder how slutty, if you will, India will be in terms of going back and forth between China and the United States with whoever just offers them the best deal as opposed to.
Michael
First. First of all, I don't appreciate the slut shaming, but secondly, very, very slutty always happen.
Jack Armstrong
But, but Russia and China are going to be together, probably North Korea, Iran. Oh, and then there's.
Michael
Yeah, there's the axis of a holes. Doesn't bother me, really. They're going to do what they're going to do, and they can only be managed. But India bothers me. It's the most populous country on earth. It is. Rounding into form is an economic superpower or certainly a manufacturing superpower. And I just think they need to be wooed a bit more carefully. A little more carrot. Delicious curry to carrot, perhaps, and a little less stick.
Jack Armstrong
Well, agreeing with Joe is David Ignatius of the Washington Post.
Michael
Three years into this war, he is now claiming this was the West's fault. And he has an audience of prominent world leaders who agree with him, including somebody who was a key person in America's efforts to create a new kind of informal partnership to contain China, namely India. India's repositioning toward Russia and China reverses diplomacy that's been conducted since the administration of George W. Bush at least, and it's a really significant setback. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
If India ends up semi permanently with China and Russia, that is not good for the planet.
Michael
Right. It's awful. You know, one of the downsides of democracy in general is that we change, you know, administrations, we change people, and to some extent, we change policies every two to four to eight years. But that's fine. It's just, you know, it is what it is. But there's been a caution about changing things too violently, too quickly by most presidential administrations, because the, the siren song of Xi Jinping is that, look, I'm in charge. Someday I'll, I'll handpick my successor. But we will not jerk you around. If you want a long term economic relationship with me, I'll dictate how our society goes.
Jack Armstrong
You get it?
Michael
That's a joke because I'm a dictator. I don't think you get it anyway. And I just. I think Trump has been far too cavalier with drastic jarring changes to relationships in ways that in the long term will not be good. Because he sees everything is transactional and everything is transactional, but that includes long term transactions.
Jack Armstrong
They're having that big summit today or more of that big summit today. I'm sure there will be headlines out of that we will be discussing on tomorrow. But that is a that is a giant story. So we do a lot of hours and segments of radio every single week. If you miss any, get the podcast. You should subscribe. Subscribe is the word to Armstrong and Getty on demand.
Michael
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Michael
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Stands new documentary now streaming on Paramount plus this is an iHeart podcast.
Date: September 2, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty
Producer/Contributor: Michael
In this post-Labor Day episode, Armstrong & Getty reflect on summer travels and dig into a diverse set of cultural, political, and generational topics. The conversation centers on comparing European and American attitudes—on drinking, work, social life, and voting—alongside a historical exploration of rural America. The hosts question modern anxieties, societal progress, and the unintended consequences of policy shifts like lowering the voting age, all with their trademark wit and skepticism.
“If it can't even last a week of being important, it doesn't deserve any gums to be flapped.” (03:25)
“Guys walking up the street with four chicks in the beekeeper out really going into perfume stores and spending just ungodly amounts of oil money.” (05:54)
“At one point I said it would save time if you just told me what you do have.” (08:48)
(On tipping:) “They’re not earning it. They’re like, look, I’m getting my 6%.” (09:11)
“They weren't seating all the seats not because they were crowded because they didn't have enough help. How is that still a thing?” (10:55)
“One of the most disastrous experiments ever conducted.” (24:03)
“Because you can so easily dupe children into voting for feel good sounding policies...Would never work in real life.” (12:08)
“It doesn't occur to people that we've never let children vote anywhere ever for a reason.” (12:25)
“Voting age should go up to like 30 because people aren't grown ups until then.” (12:35)
“Girls in Britain nearly twice as likely as boys to choose an answer between 0 and 3 [on life satisfaction].” (20:36)
“7 out of 10 girls have stayed home from school from anxiety.” (22:23)
“Is there a point where you go too far, obviously? Well, yeah. To me the answer's obvious, absolutely obvious.” (34:49)
“There is nothing in evolution that built us to be amused all the time. Yet that seems to be what most of us are seeking all day, every day.” (41:48)
“I think a lot of people just do what they see other people doing around them and they don't ever think … [that] Zuckerberg isn't trying to make me happy. He's trying to make more money.” (38:18)
“Nothing lasts forever … But we ain't gonna like what's coming next.” (46:58)
“I wonder how slutty … India will be in terms of going back and forth between China and the United States with whoever just offers them the best deal…” (48:33) Michael: “Very, very slutty always happen.” (48:42)
On Fickle News:
Jack Armstrong: “If it can't even last a week of being important, it doesn't deserve any gums to be flapped.” (03:25)
On British Pub Food:
Michael: “At one point I said it would save time if you just told me what you do have.” (08:48)
On Tipping in the UK:
Michael: “They’re not earning it. They’re like, look, I’m getting my 6%.” (09:11)
On Lowering the Voting Age:
Jack Armstrong: “Voting age should go up to like 30 because people aren't grown ups until then.” (12:35)
Michael: “One of the most disastrous experiments ever conducted.” (24:03)
On Modern Teen Anxiety:
Jack Armstrong: “7 out of 10 girls have stayed home from school from anxiety.” (22:23)
Michael: “There is a gender split and other things too, boys are nearly twice as likely to support right wing parties as girls.” (21:00)
Reflecting on the Past:
Michael: “Human beings want to be occupied doing something productive. At our core, that's what we're made for.” (41:42)
Jack Armstrong: “There is nothing in evolution that built us to be amused all the time. Yet that seems to be what most of us are seeking…” (41:48)
On Global Realignment:
Jack Armstrong: “Nothing lasts forever … But we ain't gonna like what's coming next.” (46:58)
Michael: (On India’s alliances) “I just think they need to be wooed a bit more carefully. A little more carrot, delicious curry to carrot, perhaps, and a little less stick.” (49:23)
This episode exemplifies Armstrong & Getty’s style: weaving personal stories, humor, and skepticism into sharp commentary on societal shifts and global politics. Through contrasts—between eras, cultures, and generations—the hosts continually return to a central concern: What is progress, and at what cost do we pursue it?
For fans and newcomers alike, this episode delivers an engaging blend of nostalgia, cultural critique, and timely global awareness, all in A&G’s candid, conversational tone.