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Josh Rogin
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Jack Armstrong
And no, here's Armstrong and Yeti.
Joe Getty
Is Spencer Pratt, former reality star, gonna end up being the mayor of Los Angeles, beating out the Democratic machine and Karen Bass because of these clever AI ads. And then the separate topic is, are clever AI ads the future of all politics and now raising money to make ads doesn't matter because anybody can make an ad anytime they want. Those are all interesting questions, but this one had got a lot of attention over the last couple of days. The visual is Karen Bass walking through, you know, streets full of drug addicts and tents or parks full of drug addicts and tents and burnout.
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And everything's on fire behind her fire all the time.
Joe Getty
Anyway, this is how it sounds.
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Yet another clever ad from Spencer Pratt. And we'll get back into the LA mayoral race coming up a little bit later, but that's fun to watch.
Jack Armstrong
We're joined by Josh Rogan, global opinions columnist with the Washington Post, author of a terrific book, Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, she and the battle for the 21st century. Speaking of Trump, she and battles. Josh, welcome. How are you? Let's talk about it.
Josh Rogin
Hey, guys, great to be back with you.
Jack Armstrong
So let's talk about Taiwan and the stakes involved because there's been a lot of talk, well, from for decades and certainly more recently about does the US Defend Taiwan, et cetera. What's China's timetable? Let's start with what would it look like to the world economy if China made a serious military move on Taiwan?
Josh Rogin
Right. Well, it's in the news, of course, because President Trump went to China, met with Xi Jinping and then said, I'm not so, sure, I'm going to sell Taiwan the arms that we promised we were going to sell them, which sent a shockwave through the region, especially through Taiwan, because without those US Arms, the chance of deterring much less repelling any sort of Chinese invasion for the Taiwanese goes way, way down. So that's not great. Okay, but the question that you ask is the right one. What happens if they actually try it? And, you know, the main determinant is whether or not we help them. And, you know, would that American president, in that moment, press that button and send U.S. troops or U.S. ships or U.S. bombs to help the Taiwanese stop the Chinese invasion? And when I asked President Trump about that, when reporting for my book, he was very clear. He said, We're 9,000 miles away, China's 2ft away. If they attack, there isn't an effing thing we can do about it. That's what he said. Okay, so he's not very enthused about the idea of intervening on Taiwanese. He doesn't say that, but that's the idea. And what does that mean? That means essentially, if the Chinese attack, the Taiwanese would get crushed in a second without our help. They'd get crushed in a second. And after that, a number of scenarios can play out, all of them bad. You know, in the best case scenario, China controls, not only that, the Taiwan Strait, where 50% of the world's shipping goes through it sooner or later.
Joe Getty
Did you say 55?
Josh Rogin
Oh, yes. 50% of the world shipping goes through that. When one way or another needs the. Depends on the Taiwan Strait, and that's a lot. And then the 90%. 90% of the world's most advanced semiconductors are made in Taiwan. All the Nvidia stuff, all of it, it's actually manufactured in Taiwan. Most of it, anyway. That's pretty bad. If China controls that. And then think about the rest of the region. You've got Japan, Singapore, South Korea. All of those countries would immediately realize that they have no choice but to arm themselves to the teeth because America is not coming, and the entire region just becomes a powder keg forever. That's kind of like the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is there's an actual war over Taiwan. And that would immediately involve the Japanese, the North Koreans, maybe. Now we're talking nuclear weapons. And then it just gets worse and worse.
Joe Getty
Well, the best best case scenario, of course, as you know, is China's too scared to try it because they're so certain that. That we and the rest of the world would fight on Taiwan's behalf, but we're not exactly sending that message right now.
Josh Rogin
Well, that's right. The whole idea of the policy has been, for many decades is that we make it so hard that they don't. They don't try it. That every day Xi Jinping wakes up, he looks across Australia, he says, not today. It's going to be too difficult today. And the truth of the matter is that that balance of power between China and Taiwan and its friends is moving in the direction of China's advantage. Every single day, China's building the largest military buildup in the history of the world. Hundreds of nuclear weapons silos where those for, you know, a massive landing invasion, cyber warfare, Internet warfare, cognitive warfare. They're messing with Taiwanese politics, they're messing with their elections, they're messing with their media, they're messing with their minds on a constant basis all day long. And that's not good. Okay? And we're. And so in order for the United States and its friends and allies to keep that balance up so that Taiwan seems like too, too tough to eat, you know, like too, too difficult to swallow, you know, whatever you want to call it, we would have to do a lot more, and we're not doing a lot more. And so that's what. That's really the most worrying thing. It's not what would happen on the day of the attack, but like every single day that China gains an advantage, it actually, in my opinion, makes the situation a lot more dangerous.
Jack Armstrong
Interesting. Talking to Josh Rogan, global opinions columnist for the Washington Post. Josh, I've said that one thing restraining Xi is that China is so entirely dependent on exports. A gigantic shock to the world economy would be enormously damaging to them too. That's at least helped delay, you know, what might be inevitable. Agree, disagree, Expand on that. Your thoughts?
Josh Rogin
Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right. The best scenario for Xi Jinping is that he takes Taiwan without firing a shot. You know, look at what happened in Hong Kong. They never attacked Hong Kong. They just suffocated it. They just messed with it, messed with the people there, you know, clamped down as much as they could and eventually strangled the democracy and freedom out of Hong Kong. And it worked. And they never had to fire a shot. That's the idea. I think that's what he's going to try to do first. That's why I don't think a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is coming in 2027. I think maybe they could be able to do it, but Xi Jinping is going to try best. He can to mess with Taiwan so much that maybe the Taiwanese get so, you know, battered down that they fold. Or maybe they elect someone who's pro China because he messes with the other people so much. He's definitely going to try that. But I think in 2028, when the Taiwanese make their next presidential election, if they choose someone like they have now, someone who doesn't want the Chinese to take over Taiwan because guess what? Most Taiwanese don't want the Chinese to take over Taiwan. I think that's when Xi Jinping might realize that the military and economic risks might be worth it for him.
Joe Getty
Well, I'm glad you're somewhat optimistic.
Josh Rogin
It's very theory.
Joe Getty
I'm glad you're somewhat optimistic. It's not going to happen in the next year. But, but are, are we not dealing in reality at some point? I, I, I realize that if China takes Taiwan, we live in a completely different world than all of us have lived in our whole lives. But yeah, as China grows into an economic superpower, military superpower, and they got that island right off their coast, is it realistic to think that the world's not going to keep them from taking it?
Josh Rogin
Yeah, I mean, it's a good question. I think that 23 million Taiwanese people are not going to want to be ruled by the Chinese Communist Party. And if we let them just get swallowed up by the Chinese Communist Party, that's really bad for any other country in the world that lives next to a psychotic dictatorship that wants to take it over. I mean, look around the world. The cause of freedom, democracy, not really doing that well at the moment. You know, the autocrats are on the march now. The Ukrainians are fighting back. That's great. You know, hopefully someday the Iranian people get another chance to throw off their government. That's great. But right now, yeah, a lot of people around the country are like, hey, it looks pretty bleak for the Taiwanese. But here's the thing, you know, people do not actually want to live on their knees and they don't actually subjugate themselves to that kind of rule willingly. And they, they tend to resist. Now, sometimes they lose. But never discount the fact that people don't want to live on their knees. And really the only thing that we can do is to support those people who don't want to live on their knees. And no, it's not determined yet. China could win in that country. I don't know if you've ever been there. It's beautiful, the people are lovely, the food's amazing. It would be a damn Shame if it fell into Beijing's arms, because that would be a tragedy for all those people and for all of the other people around the world who look at some sort of evil dictatorship on their border and be like, oh, I really don't want to get swallowed up by those guys.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. My response to what Jack said, which is 100% true, would be that you've just got to make it as expensive or difficult as possible for as long as possible and hope things change for the better on one front or another. Which brings us to China's enormous demographic and economic challenges that are going on right now. We won't roll all of them out for you, but they have some serious economic problem problems going on. How's that going to factor in? Josh, any idea?
Josh Rogin
Yeah, it's important to talk about because China is not 10ft tall. They do have a lot of problems, but, you know, at the same time, we have to realize that it's going to be the largest country with the largest economy and maybe even the largest military in the region for the rest of our lives. So they're going to continue to have problems. Their problems don't affect them the same way our problems affect us, because they don't have things like elections. You know, I mean, if they have some sort of, like, crisis in the banking or real estate sector, they fudge it all because it's all a corrupt economy anyway. So, yeah, they have problems. And we should, in my view, try to maximize our advantages and cause more problems for them because they're out to harm us. You know, in the end, China's goal is not just to take Taiwan, but it's to become the most powerful country in the world, and that means our disadvantage. So it's not just about Taiwan. But, yeah, they have real vulnerabilities. To my mind, we should, you know, exploit those vulnerabilities and then use that to slow their rise so that we can maintain our leadership in the world, because that's better for us and better for the world. But, you know, it's just not going that well at the moment, if we're being honest.
Joe Getty
So President Trump met with President Xi last week. President Xi is meeting with Vladimir Putin today. And I know you're aware of this quote, the caught on a hot mic quote from three years ago when President Xi was talking to Vladimir Putin and said, and I think this is one of the most important quotes of my lifetime. President Xi said, there are changes happening the likes of which we haven't seen for 100 years. Let's drive those changes together. Putin said, I agree. What did that mean? And do they still believe that? And what do you think they're going to be talking about today?
Josh Rogin
Yeah, I agree with you. It's one of the most important things that I've heard said in a very long time. And what he's saying is something that I think is true, which is that, you know, the international world order, or whatever you want to call it, that maintained relative peace and security and in my opinion, ushered in the greatest period of prosperity for America and any country in the world in history since World War II is breaking down. That's pretty obvious. Whatever it is. The multilateral institutions, people were disadvantaged by the inequities of globalization. All of the grievances, some of which contributed to the rise of Trump and some of which are just sort of the baked into the corruption of the system. All those grievances are real. But the question is, okay, what do we do now? And if we're not going to have that whole system which, you know, has some good parts and some mistakes were made for sure. And if we're going to replace that, what are we going to replace it with? And to my mind, whatever we replace it with probably shouldn't be decided by Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin. That's my position. Call me crazy, call me old fashioned, you know.
Jack Armstrong
Well, yeah, call it Chesterton. Chesterton.
Josh Rogin
The new world system is we're going to pick what it is. I'm against that. I think the Americans should pick what it is. And our allies, maybe Japan and the Europeans too, and, you know, whoever else is on board with us. But if they pick it, I don't think it's going to be good for us.
Joe Getty
No.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, my God. Amen to that, brother. Josh Rogan, global opinions columnist for the Washington Post and again author of Chaos Under Heaven, Trump G. And the battle for the 21st century. Josh, always so thought provoking. Thanks a million for the time. Really enjoyed it.
Josh Rogin
Anytime.
Joe Getty
What a smart guy. And that terrific. That quote that I've read I don't know how many times on the show, gives me chills. Actually. It is one of the most important things uttered this.
Jack Armstrong
Glad you made note of that. You can't remember what you had for lunch yesterday, but man, you, you have absolutely internalized that one. It's a, it is a blockbuster. Oh, it's huge. It's an old timer.
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One of the biggest figures in the OJ trial died yesterday. Maybe we'll revisit that among other things on the way.
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This one in the air, right center field, Pete Crowe Armstrong looking up at
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11 scores and we got a tie game. Miguel Vargas coming through here in the fifth.
Jack Armstrong
That was a big effort by Crow Armstrong, but for the first time in this series he comes up short. All right, that was Pete Crowe Armstrong, Jack's illegitimate son with Sheryl Crow back in the day. Wow. He's Cubs superstar. He's faster than a deer. He's a great outfielder. He went for a ball at the fence and he missed it. Okay. Crashed into the fence trying to make the catch. Well, there were the White Sox play. The outfield fence is literally a chain lake fence. And people can stand and sit and watch the game through the fence, including hot blonde in tight dress who went. And he crashes into the fence and misses. And he's still sitting there, is yelling, you suck. You suck. Oh, God. Well, PCA as he's known, gets up, looks at her and says, u S my effing D. Gotcha.
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Think he. I think. I think that was probably too much
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personally, but there could be a fine. Wow.
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Now nobody can. Nobody can approve of it, but who can blame him?
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Yeah. Well, I can understand the reaction in the moment, but
Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
I hear what you're saying, but I think about this myself when I get. When I react to idiots on Twitter. Just, you gotta be above that crowd.
Jack Armstrong
Well, Peter Armstrong, your long lost son, right?
Joe Getty
He gets his foot speed from me. Remember, I ran what, 12, 900?
Jack Armstrong
That is so fraudulent. Some lady decided to start talking ass and I felt the need to give it back.
Joe Getty
That's pretty harsh, though. Just a simple FU. Might have been, you know, a little closer into the even.
Jack Armstrong
An F, U, B. Right, yeah. Going with the full S. My. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably.
Joe Getty
That's a lot.
Jack Armstrong
But let's not pretend this is the biggest problem afflicting America. Give them a little fine. Oh, ban her from the ballpark though.
Joe Getty
Biggest problem afflicting America is whether or not you're gonna get the Ebola virus.
Jack Armstrong
No, it's not.
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Oh, it's not.
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Furman's use of a racial slur. Fuhrman was 74 years years old.
Joe Getty
Did he die of throat cancer? Where was O.J. simpson at the time?
Jack Armstrong
Mark Furman, great interview. We, I will tell you that we
Joe Getty
had him on a couple of times, I think, but oh yeah, was the conclusion from you or whoever, most people, that he framed the guy that did it is what the happened there?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, he was in the middle of it. Yeah, I've heard the bit of wisdom. The LAPD framed the guy who did it. That was the problem with the O.J. trial. They just over egged the pudding.
Joe Getty
Yeah, perhaps.
Jack Armstrong
Anyway, he did it.
Joe Getty
So a quick tease for you. Is having a nice butt as a man the sign that you were healthy and going to live a long time? New studies say maybe.
Jack Armstrong
Yes.
Joe Getty
More on that coming up.
Jack Armstrong
Wow, that's intriguing. I will have to. Michael, I'll have to have you take a long look and give me an honest appraisal.
Joe Getty
One to 10.
Josh Rogin
All right.
Joe Getty
Or maybe just pass fail. I.
Jack Armstrong
All right. So I just heard something that makes me hate the modern world even more than I realized I did. And we have several stories on that. Well, kind of sort of a topic,
Joe Getty
but found out it's a friend of a friend.
Jack Armstrong
Got a six year old son, six years old, plays baseball. That's way too young to play baseball. It's too hard a game. Play catch with your kid until they're at least eight or probably nine, have them hit in the driveway over and over again. Reps not standing on a field in a cute little uniform bored to tears so he can pose for pictures that the women like.
Joe Getty
And you're saying this as a baseball player and coach, not just yes and
Jack Armstrong
the son of a professional and college baseball player and blah blah, blah. Yes. Yeah, the game is too hard. You're wasting the kids time anyway I'm in the minority, which does not bother me in the least. So this kid's 6 years old. He's a good little ball player. They have an all star team right there. What does, what the F does that even mean at age six? Oh my God.
Joe Getty
And they agreed?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Okay. If you want to be on this, whatever the F thing this is. Yeah, okay. Two hour practices, four days a week.
Joe Getty
Oh my God. Is a six year old.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, I give up.
Joe Getty
That's crazy.
Jack Armstrong
I give up. What do you want him to have Tommy John surgery as an 11 year
Joe Getty
old or just you people thinking or just time? I mean, you only get so many summers as a kid.
Jack Armstrong
Oh my God. Oh, that's horrible. I know. It's horror. It's child abuse. Moving along. How did climate science get so screwed up?
Joe Getty
I maybe read the same article as you last night and I was laying there in bed and I thought, how has it not become just a common thing to refer to it as the climate hoax, the great climate hoax, or the great climate fraud that we all lived through? Isn't there enough out now to call it that?
Jack Armstrong
Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, completely. Al Gore says. What did Al Gore say? Oh, it's Pete Crow. Armstrong, like. Anyway, yeah, it's this analysis written by a fellow with a musical name of Cuico Toro, but it's super, super Gentleman Quico, Toronto World Music and all with two drummers and whatever. Yeah. Anyway, so what he's writing about, well, he mentions that UN scientists finally announced last month, what climate researchers have known for years that the, the most extreme climate change pathway that they've been threatening us with. The whole Greta Thunberg horror cult thing is utterly implausible and it really shouldn't be part of the debate at all.
Josh Rogin
How dare you?
Jack Armstrong
It was based on something known as RCP 8.5. To folks who are really into this, the represent representative concentration pathway 8.5, which was a particular study by like serious climate scientists. For this reason, he explains that if you are designing a highway bridge and you need to figure out where your structure's weak points are, what it would take to cause it to break. You don't have like, you know, you don't do computer studies on what would happen if, I don't know, there were a few more trucks than usual because there's too much statistical noise, you wouldn't find the weak points that you're looking for. What you'd do is whip up a computer simulation, ask what would happen if 200 fully fully loaded? 250. Rather. Rather fully loaded M1 Abrams battle tanks drove onto the bridge at the same time. I mean, unbelievable stresses that your bridge would never face. But that'll show you where the weaker points are and what you might bolster up to deal with normal stuff. So you like super catastrophize a computer model to get it to show you what might happen if, well, climate, like legit climate scientists were doing this same thing in, I think it was 15 years ago or so.
Joe Getty
You've stolen our childhood, Joe.
Jack Armstrong
You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. That's what I do. If you knew me, you'd know that's kind of my act. This is all wrong. Dream stealing and childhood crushing. That's what I'm known for, baby. Anyway, so what these climate scientists did was. All right, all right, all right. What would happen if, like the most extreme crazy scenario were to unfold? And the. The 8.5 has to do with 8.5 watts per square meter of added solar energy. So it was like an extreme scenario. What would that cause? What would the stress points be? Blah, blah, blah, in the same way that the bridge engineer does this. Well, the problem is all of the activists and greed heads took hold of this study and used it as a premise for not the 250 fully loaded Abrams tank scenario. Extreme crazy scenario. They took it as a prediction and ran with it like crazy. And it dominated. That what's its 8.5 thing dominated all the discussion for years and years and years. And the original scientists are like, wait, no, this isn't going to happen. It couldn't happen. We're just trying to do math over here, but nobody wanted to hear it.
Joe Getty
How many? Does anybody have a total on how many trillions? It's gotta be trillions, could be sure, of dollars that were spent by the world to try to combat this fanciful prediction.
Jack Armstrong
So. Right. And I told you, including countries like
Joe Getty
Britain, completely destroying their economy, which they may never recover from.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, yeah, just a suicide based on bad data. And you know, I was talking about name checking a few people and activists who embrace this stuff. That 8.5 thingy has been the default setting for 30,000 climate science papers since 2018 alone. It was from this kind of research, Mr. Toro writes, that we get lured papers like Future of the Human Climate Niche, where respectable Dutch climate scientists claim that one in three human beings live in regions that will be unlivable in the next 50 years. It was this kind of research that gave rise to countless breathless headlines about how outdoor labor was about to become impossible across much of the tropical world. Alarmist documentaries claiming the ocean was about to end up without any fish or we'll all drown in it or whatever. Many he named checks a bunch more best sellers and documentaries and stuff like that. That's crazy.
Joe Getty
2018 because Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth, the movie came out in 2006. Yeah, 20 years ago.
Jack Armstrong
Right, right. And so these people said, wow, climate change. Let's look at the most extreme scenario possible. Well, I think we've explained it to you. Here's another story. Our modern era.
Joe Getty
Can we tell you about it or are you going into Incogni? Was that such a clever transition? I didn't even get it.
Jack Armstrong
Can I pretend it was and that I hadn't forgotten?
Josh Rogin
Okay.
Joe Getty
Incogni is a modern thing you need to know about. It's a way to get your data off those data brokers servers. You know, how people have your, your address, your phone number, your email. Geez, how fast you drive, what kind of cereal you eat. Everything is out there on the web somewhere. And Incogni is a company that can get that off there. So you don't get these scam emails, texts and phone calls all the time. They use the law on their side. They go to the databases, the law on their side, and say, get this off there. And they keep doing it over and over again.
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I love it. I love it. The real fix is to disappear. They can't spam you if they can't find you. And you know, unfortunately all of this stuff is legal, but getting it off there is legal too. And that's what Incogni does for you. And right now you can get 60% off the already quite affordable rate with an exclusive deal@incog.com Armstrong just go to Incogni. It's like Incognito without the toe. Incog.com Armstrong Take back your privacy and get 60% off. That's incog.com Armstrong Wow.
Joe Getty
It even wipes your. They can get the personal data from those people. Search sites. Have you ever like searched yourself and seen what's out there? It's horrifying.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
The amount of information, personal information about you that's so searchable, we want the
Jack Armstrong
Internet to be unplugged, but that's not likely to happen anytime. So. Incogni.com Armstrong so this is another great observation of the modern world. I'm gonna skip over so many South Korean soldiers get plastic surgery on leave. What? That they have to permit them not to like do their jobs for an extended period after they come back.
Joe Getty
What are they mostly getting done?
Jack Armstrong
Done nose jobs and just facelifts and ear tucks and just. I want to be sexier. Plastic surgery. Wow. South Korea is so weird.
Joe Getty
Even though they aren't dating, marrying or having kids.
Jack Armstrong
Right, right. It's all Instagram, you know, motivated. You got to look sharp on. You got to look gorgeous online. I saw an ad for Instagram the other day. I was trying to get people, I don't know, sign up or be on more and stuff like that. And it was clear, every single bit of it was, I am an attractive to, okay, attractive woman or girl, and I want everybody to see how attractive I am. That like is the entire engine behind it. And dip ass guys who ought to get a job, find a woman, get off Instagram, idiots. All right, so here's the story I want to bring you. This is a person by the name of John Shoshet or something like that.
Joe Getty
Ask for him by then.
Jack Armstrong
So he was on a neighborhood board in New York City and he came across this project to replace a bunch of water fountains in Riverside Park. If you know New York, you know it. If you don't, you don't. But it was going to repeat. Cost $375,000 to replace one broken and one outdated water fountain. And he's like, well, wait a minute, how is it costing the price of a four bedroom house in suburban Kansas City to replace a couple of water fountains? And he says, I spent enough time in and around the public sector to understand how he got there. He worked, blah, blah, blah. So he dug into it. And each rule governing the Riverside park drinking fountain project had its own logic. The backflow prevention systems protect the public water supply and are mandated by the Department of Environmental Protection. The dual bowl of fountains, one bowl up high, one lower, satisfy ADA requirements. Under current park directives, water lines as old as the existing 90 year old ones have to be replaced when any new work is done. Because parks chose to rebuild the fountain at its existing location and there are no records showing where the old water line ran, a new trench has to to be cut. A tree root survey is required because digging that trench risks damaging root systems that took decades to grow. The competitive bidding and procurement procedures were put in place to prevent corruption. The park's project manager presenting the slides was professional and thorough. Each box was checked and the outcome was a third of a million dollars for two drinking fountains. But it's actually worse than that. The community, through the city's participatory budgeting Process had allocated the 375 grand for five modern hydration stations with bottle filling capability spread throughout the park. Now that's still a lot of money, but you got five complete water fountain, bottle filler handicap. What's it. All right. 375 here in New York.
Josh Rogin
All right.
Jack Armstrong
But the plan that emerged from the parks department had been whittled down to replacing two existing fountains with code compliant versions of what had been there for decades. No new locations, no bottle fillers. Five hydration stations became two ordinary fountains.
Josh Rogin
Fountains.
Jack Armstrong
And the replacement fountains won't even be installed until 2027. Blah blah blah. And he makes the point that what went wrong with this is what went wrong with virtually everything else. This is why we can't build anything.
Joe Getty
Yeah. And an advantage China actually has over us.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Yeah. So true.
Joe Getty
Not getting bogged down in crap like that to accomplish anything that everybody wants.
Jack Armstrong
And. And he says the villain isn't a person, a party or conspiracy. It's a system built over decades by people making a series rational decisions that add up to something no one designed and no one would build on purpose. I'm going to call that system the machine. And he goes on for paragraphs about it.
Joe Getty
Understudied and underappreciated bureaucracy. The importance of having a good butt as a guy could be the healthiest thing you do is having a good butt. Among other things. On the way. Stay here.
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Get this, the makers of Spam just announced that they are now selling hot dogs.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, even the McRib is like, I wouldn't eat that.
Joe Getty
Makers of who are making Hot Dogs?
Jack Armstrong
Spam.
Joe Getty
Okay, interesting.
Jack Armstrong
That's a dumb joke. Hot dog's already a mystery.
Josh Rogin
Me.
Joe Getty
Do you suffer from gluteal amnesia? You may. Stay tuned. This New York Times headline caught my attention over the weekend is the Secret to Men's Longevity. A great but famous and powerful men have discovered that the key to a long, healthy life may be rock solid gluten. I like this first paragraph because it left me mystified. Daniel Rice is a personal trainer in Los Angeles, a job that gives him a front row seat to the physique coveted by today's American man. Rice recalls the washboard abs craze of the 90s, the athletic build of the early 2000, and the 2010s quest for tiny waists and huge biceps. I was completely unaware of these trends and I'm not sure how they're that much different from each other or anything. Okay, if you say so.
Jack Armstrong
You missed the obsession with six pack
Joe Getty
abs, but did that go away? Do you, do you have sense that it went away and changed into tiny waists and huge biceps? I don't. I think it's just all made up. Anyway, now all guys want thick thighs and bigger butts. It's become a glute dominant culture. Culture. I will say this as a guy who goes to the gym nearly every day in the best shape of my life physically, mentally, not so much, but physically. It's amazing to me and I've been wondering this for quite a while. All the guys that are doing squats and stuff like that, I think really that's interesting that you're all so focused on that part of your body.
Jack Armstrong
Well, I remember a few years ago the joke was quit skipping leg day. Right? Maybe all these guys with giant upper bodies and the tiny waists mentioned, blah, blah, blah.
Joe Getty
Maybe that is. But this article that came out over the weekend is how important the biggest muscle you've got in your body, which is your gluteus maximus, is to health all the way around and balance and not making other muscles overwork to common compensate for your weak glutes and everything like that. So money, even knee back and all kinds of different problems come from you letting your butt muscle amnesia of the butt muscle muscles get weaker. And then all these other muscles have to overcompensate. And it has a lot to do with balance, which is we all know when you get actually like old, old balance becomes a big problem.
Jack Armstrong
I have suffered from this very thing. I can attest to the truth of this.
Joe Getty
Strong glutes help manage and even reduce lower back pain and all kinds of other different things. I saw this quote from I tell my clients, as long as you can climb flights of stairs, you can have sex. Well, that's an interesting thing to know,
Jack Armstrong
especially if she's upstairs.
Joe Getty
So if I can't get up there,
Jack Armstrong
I'm coming. Hang on.
Joe Getty
Don't go to sleep.
Jack Armstrong
I'm almost there.
Joe Getty
Five more steps.
Jack Armstrong
I just gotta rest. I gotta rest for a minute.
Joe Getty
Called gluteal amnesia. It's a condition that occurs when the glutes forget their primary function because they aren't getting used after too much activity and go numb or even feel sore. Gluteal amnesia. And so it's talking about how you need to walk and do all the Things that you did most of your life. But then at some point, maybe you just started sitting all the time. You sit in your car, you get to work, you sit, then you walk out to your car, sit in it, drive home, and then sit some more. Then you get gluteal amnesia.
Jack Armstrong
You don't want it.
Joe Getty
No, you don't want it. And the overall point being? Oh, it's interesting. The metabolism, increasing glute strength improves how the body handles glucose, how it uses energy, how it maintains muscle over time
Jack Armstrong
for your whole body.
Joe Getty
It's really interesting. So they're making this argument that it's really a key predictor of your overall health and longevity. If you got a what they call
Jack Armstrong
a hockey butt, I'm going to chat GPT. A hockey butt. That's interesting. Is that the way pants, hockey pants fit?
Joe Getty
I don't know.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I got a chat GPT. The five best glute exercises and get to work. This commercial break.
Joe Getty
All the dudes are doing them at the gym. I'll tell you that the the squat rack is always being used. A lot of other stuff, not so much. Anyway, if you missed a segment of this show, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.
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Date: May 19, 2026
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Guest: Josh Rogin (Washington Post columnist, author)
Main Theme:
This episode dives deep into several big-picture topics: the geopolitical risks around Taiwan and China, the breakdown of the international order, America's economic and bureaucratic challenges, the evolution of fitness obsessions (including "gluteal amnesia"), and some lighter moments on sports and pop culture. The show maintains a conversational, irreverent tone with insightful commentary and humor.
“We addressed the homeless problem. Now most of them won’t stab you as long as you don’t make eye contact.” (04:14)
Start: 04:46 | End: 16:15
"Without those US arms, the chance of deterring, much less repelling, any sort of Chinese invasion for the Taiwanese goes way, way down." (05:20 – Josh Rogin)
“23 million Taiwanese people are not going to want to be ruled by the Chinese Communist Party… People do not actually want to live on their knees.” (11:11)
Host reads quote: Xi to Putin: “There are changes happening the likes of which we haven’t seen for 100 years. Let’s drive those changes together.” (14:41)
Rogin: Warns of the US-led liberal order eroding, replaced by autocratic alliances shaping the world to their interest.
"Whatever we replace it with, probably shouldn't be decided by Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin. That's my position. Call me crazy, call me old-fashioned..." (15:44)
Hosts’ Praise:
“He gets up, looks at her and says, 'U S my effing D. Gotcha.' ” (22:33 – Jack Armstrong)
Start: 29:02 | End: 41:55
"You only get so many summers as a kid… It’s horror. It’s child abuse.” (30:20)
“Activists and greedheads took hold of this study and used it as a premise… not the 250 fully loaded Abrams tank scenario, extreme crazy scenario. They took it as a prediction and ran with it like crazy.” (33:07 – Jack Armstrong)
“Just a suicide based on bad data… (Britain) may never recover…” (34:51 – Jack Armstrong)
“The villain isn’t a person, a party or a conspiracy. It’s a system built over decades by people making a series of rational decisions that add up to something no one designed and no one would build on purpose… I’m going to call that system the machine.” (41:37 – Jack Armstrong)
Start: 45:05 | End: 49:19
“As long as you can climb flights of stairs, you can have sex. Well, that’s an interesting thing to know, especially if she’s upstairs.” (47:36 – Joe & Jack, joking)
“The metabolism—increasing glute strength improves how the body handles glucose, how it uses energy, how it maintains muscle over time…” (48:41 – Joe Getty)
On US Intervention in Taiwan:
“If the Chinese attack, the Taiwanese would get crushed in a second without our help. They’d get crushed in a second.” (05:51 – Josh Rogin)
On Authoritarian Coordination:
“Whatever we replace it with, probably shouldn’t be decided by Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin. That’s my position. Call me crazy, call me old fashioned, you know.” (15:44 – Josh Rogin)
Social Commentary:
“You only get so many summers as a kid… It’s horror. It’s child abuse.” (30:20 – Jack Armstrong)
On Bureaucracy:
“It’s a system built over decades by people making a series of rational decisions that add up to something no one designed and no one would build on purpose.” (41:37 – Jack Armstrong)
Fitness Humor:
“Do you suffer from gluteal amnesia? You may. Stay tuned.” (45:05 – Joe Getty)
"As long as you can climb flights of stairs, you can have sex." (47:36 – Joe Getty quoting NYT)