Go Getters for Sit Downers

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand Episode: Go Getters for Sit Downers
Release Date: July 18, 2025
Host/Authors: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In the episode titled "Go Getters for Sit Downers," hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into pressing political issues, societal behaviors, and economic decisions shaping contemporary America. The discussion is marked by insightful analysis, candid opinions, and a blend of humor and seriousness that characterizes the Armstrong & Getty dynamic.

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Section 1: Immigration Enforcement and Political Implications

[03:07] The episode opens with a news report about a federal judge's order blocking the Trump administration's immigration sweeps in Southern California. Contrastingly, in Northern California, Border Patrol agents conducted operations that led to several arrests at a Home Depot location.

Jack Armstrong reflects on the local impact:
"Now that's the Home Depot on Florin... Home Depots have seemed to be a target really all across the country." ([03:46])

Joe Getty adds context about the availability of labor:
"We’ve needed lots of workers out at the farm... there are a bunch of Spanish-speaking gentlemen hanging around the parking lot who are willing to work." ([04:22])

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Section 2: Public Opinion and Polls on Immigration

The hosts discuss recent polling data indicating public sentiment towards immigration enforcement in the workplace.

Joe Getty cites a Reuters Ipsos poll:
"54% of people disagreed with the statement. Immigration arrests at places of work are good for the country. 54% disagreed, only 28% in support." ([06:03])

Despite the apparent public disapproval, Getty posits that historically, the Republican Party benefits from taking strong stances on issues like illegal immigration:
"Ultimately the Republican Party and Trump will be benefited from dealing with this even if the polling at the time doesn't look very good." ([07:10])

Jack Armstrong emphasizes the political divide:
"Only 28% of Americans are in support... Only 56% of Republicans hold that view." ([09:14])

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Section 3: Sanctuary Cities and Federal Authority

A heated debate ensues over the existence and legitimacy of sanctuary cities. A news clip is analyzed where the Border Patrol chief asserts federal authority over sanctuary states:

Jack Armstrong challenges the notion:
"There is no sanctuary city. Sacramento is not a sanctuary city. The state of California is not a sanctuary state." ([10:40])

Joe Getty suggests a clear messaging strategy for Republicans:
"Call it... What would it be? The Go Getters for Sit Downers Act?" ([08:56])

The conversation underscores the tension between state and federal authorities and the complexities of enforcing immigration laws.

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Section 4: Political Leadership and Scandals

The hosts transition to discussing a public scandal involving Chris Martin of Coldplay, who was caught in a "kiss cam" moment that revealed an extramarital affair.

Joe Getty criticizes Martin's public apology:
"His wife must be thinking, oh, he's having an affair and actually going out with her on the town... It's deeply personal mistake playing out on a very public stage." ([20:42])

Jack Armstrong highlights the irony of the situation:
"This is ironic that it was supposed to be a night of music and joy." ([21:14])

The discussion reflects on the impact of personal misconduct on public perception and corporate leadership.

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Section 5: Economics of DIY vs. Hiring Help

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing Roland Fryer's essay on the economics of DIY (Do It Yourself) versus outsourcing tasks.

Joe Getty summarizes Fryer's perspective:
"Americans are real DIYers... even when we'd be better off hiring someone else." ([28:11])

The hosts explore the concept of opportunity cost and the nuanced decisions behind whether to perform tasks oneself or hire assistance.

Jack Armstrong relates personally:
"I talked about this a year or so ago... I need to hire somebody for that." ([31:35])

Joe Getty elaborates on societal influences and personal pride influencing these economic decisions:
"We attach pride to doing things ourselves. It signals I take care of my things. I'm not above the work." ([33:42])

The discussion emphasizes that economic decisions are not solely financial but also tied to personal values and societal expectations.

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Section 6: Media Criticism – NPR’s Controversial Reporting

Armstrong and Getty critique National Public Radio (NPR) for its reporting choices and perceived biases.

Joe Getty mocks NPR's handling of certain stories:
"We don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories... about the Hunter Biden laptop." ([48:00])

Jack Armstrong compares NPR unfavorably to more mainstream outlets:
"NPR is so far out there, it's unbelievable." ([45:31])

The critique extends to NPR's coverage of conspiracy theories and cultural discussions, highlighting the hosts' skepticism towards the network's editorial decisions.

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Section 7: Additional Commentary and Humor

Throughout the episode, Armstrong and Getty interject humor and personal anecdotes, such as dealing with household staff and the dynamics of having a house cleaner and a butler. These segments provide a light-hearted balance to the more serious discussions on politics and economics.

Joe Getty humorously describes household tensions:
"The house cleaner didn't get along with our butler... Sleeve boy hears them bickering." ([40:36])

Jack Armstrong adds to the levity:
"Any thoughts in any of this?" referring to their humorous household situations. ([41:10])

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Conclusion

"Go Getters for Sit Downers" offers a comprehensive look at the intertwined nature of politics, economics, and personal behavior in contemporary society. Armstrong and Getty provide their perspectives on immigration policy, public opinion, economic decision-making, and media practices, all while maintaining their signature conversational style. The episode underscores the complexity of societal issues and the importance of nuanced discussion in understanding and addressing them.

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Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong at [03:46]:
  "Now that's the Home Depot on Florin... Home Depots have seemed to be a target really all across the country."

• Joe Getty at [07:10]:
  "Ultimately the Republican Party and Trump will be benefited from dealing with this even if the polling at the time doesn't look very good."

• Joe Getty at [20:42]:
  "His wife must be thinking, oh, he's having an affair and actually going out with her on the town... It's deeply personal mistake playing out on a very public stage."

• Joe Getty at [28:11]:
  "Americans are real DIYers... even when we'd be better off hiring someone else."

• Jack Armstrong at [45:31]:
  "NPR is so far out there, it's unbelievable."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand encapsulates the hosts' ability to dissect complex issues with clarity and wit. Whether discussing immigration enforcement's local impact, the broader political landscape, or the personal economics of daily life, Armstrong and Getty provide listeners with thoughtful analysis and engaging conversation.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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And now here's Armstrong and Yeti.

[Unknown News Reporter]

So last week in Los Angeles, a federal judge issued an order blocking the Trump administration from carrying out controversial immigration sweeps in seven Southern California counties. Well, that order has no effect up here in Northern California, where we joined a Border Patrol strike team today here in the state Capitol as they went out and enforced immigration law. Let's get right to that video. Take a look. As soon as those Border Patrol agents pulled up to a local Home Depot, suspected illegal immigrants took off running in all directions. That then led to several foot pursuits. And we saw about 10 people arrested in this one single location.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now that's the Home Depot on Florin. The only reason I ever go over to Florin is because I go to PCP Motorsports a lot to get my motorcycles worked on and that sort of thing. But I'm over in that area and it is pretty Spanish speaking heavily heavy over there. So it's not shocking. And Home Depots have seemed to be a target really all across the country for. So how did. I've never actually done this. And I'm kind of surprised that I haven't because we've needed lots of workers out at the farm for a variety of things. But so you can just show up to the Home Depot and there's a bunch of Spanish speaking gentlemen hanging around the parking lot who are willing to work. Who.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Right. You say, I need two guys for eight hours, $20 an hour, whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they probably aren't citizens of this.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Land nor properly registered as visitors. That's what I've heard, Jack. But the Governor of Cal Unicornia, the man with more lust for the Oval Office than a teenage boy has for the touch of a female, presuming they're straight. We love everyone here. Gavi blasts away trying to escape a court order stopping their reprehensible and illegal racial profiling and illegal arrests in LA Border Patrol came to Sacramento to spread more of their chaos and fear. They should go do their jobs at the border. Interestingly, he posted that online and the comments were almost entirely. Yeah, that's what we voted for, for them to do what they're doing. Another AD20 issue. Ah, blah, blah, blah. And of course, some of the local media, including the reprehensible Sacramento Bee, reported that one of the individuals captured by ICE is actually a citizen of the United States. But Bill Melugian explains why they did that in the next clip.

[Unknown News Reporter]

Border Patrol went on to tell us that record checks came back already on one one of those men showing he's a felon with a prior conviction for fentanyl trafficking. Now, agents also chased down this man. He's a U.S. citizen. This is after border patrol said he slashed the tire on one of their vehicles. Agents eventually took him to the ground where he appeared to lunge at one of the agents, causing him to get maced in the face and placed under arrest. As he was arrested, his wife was shouting that he's a U.S. citizen. Agents responded, well, too bad because he.

[Jack Armstrong]

Slashed our tire Macedon the face. That's not the way you want to spend your weekend.

[Unknown Advertiser]

You get to face mace and place under arrest.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do you want them to do? Well, so we got this text. This, this is kind of where I am on this. Uh, somebody said I don't believe the polls. We'll get into the latest poll that just came out a couple of hours ago where people are getting less happy with this. But this person texted if we let in 20 million people there are going to be, it's going to be some pain getting them out. The, the country will be better for it. I think I, I heard this from Sarah Isger on the Dispatch. She's analyzes polls and issues and different sort of stuff and then, and then the actual long term effect versus just the polling at the time. I think ultimately the Republican Party and Trump will be benefit from dealing with this even if the polling at the time doesn't look very good. For instance, right now, the latest Reuters Ipsos poll out 54% of people disagreed with the statement. Immigration arrests at places of work are good for the country. 54 disagreed, only 28 in support.

[Unknown Advertiser]

That's a pretty big gap.

[Jack Armstrong]

But again, at the end of the day I think people are going to reward the party that finally does something about illegal immigration.

[Unknown Advertiser]

I think that's a really interesting point because you do tend to forget about some of the rough patches that took place as you're accomplishing an important goal once that goal's accomplished. The what? I had another thought it was important. Oh, I wish the the Republicans were any good at messaging. It must be. Conservatives generally speaking are individualists and we don't particularly like being told what to say. But why not have everybody respond with some version of The Democrats let 12 million, whatever the a good accurate number is during the Biden years or Biden plus Obama or whatever. The Democrats let 12 million people into the country. It's not going to be easy to fix that. Bear with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good line. That's a great line. They should all be repeating that you're Right, Yeah.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah. And I actually do believe that poll because I think so many of us interact and all over the country with folks who maybe don't have their paperwork in order, but they're doing jobs and seem to be law abiding and the rest of it. The further you get down the road toward law abiding and taxpaying, the less support you're going to have. But where the critical point is where you have so little support you have to stop. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or how difficult it would be to separate those out. That wouldn't take either way too long or cost way too much.

[Unknown Advertiser]

One other talking point I wish the Republicans, to your point, I wish they would settle on is if these so called sanctuary states would turn over the criminal illegal aliens to ice, we wouldn't have to do this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Excellent point.

[Unknown Advertiser]

That would be a winning message.

[Jack Armstrong]

Excellent point. There is a breakdown on the. So only 28% of Americans are in support of going into these workplaces like the Home Depot down the street here. Only 28%, but it's a pretty big divide. Only 7% of Democrats while 56% of Republicans. But I think only 56% of Republicans is pretty striking given the fact that I saw a different poll. Trump's approval among Republicans just overall is at 90%. 90%. But on this issue it drops down quite a lot. Overall, Trump's immigration approval rating is down to 41 in this poll. He was as high as 47 just a month ago. It's down to 41. He could be in the 30s very soon. But you know, to use a very tired sort of phrase, you're gonna make an omelet, you gotta break some eggs. I don't know how you deal with this mess without having some pretty unfortunate.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Stories out there and maybe force the hand of the electorate and, or the Congress to say, all right, all right, all right, all right, you've made your point. We need to enforce the law, but the laws are a little broad. It doesn't have support. Let's, let's refine this. Let's have better laws. To my point about sanctuary jurisdictions though, I like this next clip.

[Unknown News Reporter]

Now, the Border Patrol chief in charge of this entire operation tells us the federal government can and will go wherever they want, even in this sanctuary state.

[Jack Armstrong]

There is no sanctuary city. Sacramento is not a sanctuary city. The state of California is not a sanctuary state. There is no sanctuary anywhere.

[Unknown Advertiser]

We'll be here.

[Jack Armstrong]

You'll probably see us in many other locations as well. We're here to stay. We're not going anywhere. We're going to affect this mission. Secure the homeland. So did the Supreme Court decide to take that up or did I dream that we're going to finally deal with that? Is there such thing? That guy's basically saying there's no such thing as a sanctuary city or a sanctuary state and there shouldn't be.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah, I want to say next session. It's on the docket. Maybe I dreamt it too. That'd be weird if we're dreaming the same dreams. I'm quitting the show. Things have gone. It's gone too far. Yeah, exactly. I'm disturbed mostly. I don't want you seeing my dreams. Some of them can get very well, let's just say not for air.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's like briefly when we were getting each other's name notes in our note portion of our iPhones. Remember that? What the hell was that?

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah, I don't even remember.

[Jack Armstrong]

Highly troubling.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah, no kidding. Anyway, moving along, let's see, what else do we have? Oh, this is kind of a.

[Jack Armstrong]

How come that hasn't been said out loud more strongly by more people? There's no such thing as a sanctuary. You can't have a sanctuary from the current federal law. That's not a thing. Or you could or, or red states would start having sanctuary gun law. We, we allow people to get open carry here just anywhere they want all the time and you can have as many rounds as you want. That because we're a sanctuary gun town.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Right. Right again. Republicans are so terrible with their messaging. It seems to me a pretty compelling sales pitch to say, look, we're just going to deal with the criminals. We need law enforcement everywhere to hand over the criminals and see what percentage of Americans are in favor of that. It's got to be like everybody and at the same time. And trust me. Well, anybody who's been listening to this show for a long time knows I'm as hardcore border security, serious immigration laws as anybody out there. But on the conservative side of the aisle, there is undeniably sympathy for the hard working go getter who disrupts their whole life, busts their ass, shows up every single day, follows the law, pays their taxes, loves their family, just happens to be from a fur in land. If they wanna come correct and pay a fine or whatever and have a pathway to whatever, there's a lot of sympathy for those people on the right. And there should be. Maybe we can enact a law where for every person like that who we permit to stay in the country, we kick out some freeloading scumbags who are American citizens. I don't care what they are.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're born in Omaha, but you're living off the taxpayer. Yeah, get out.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah, you're the third generation sucking off the government's teeth. Please. No, you're out. Go to that. But I'm a citizen. Well, go be a citizen somewhere else. You're a leech.

[Jack Armstrong]

Go to that El Salvador prison where they make you bend over and walk around.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Well, no, wait a minute. There are other alternatives. But call it. Call it that. What would it be? The. The Go Getters for Sit Downers Act? No, that's not good. I got to keep working on it. But you get the point. I have a list of some people you can grab.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I hear you. I hear you put me in charge. I'll be fair. You probably are. On the story of the Chris Martin of Coldplay does the kiss cam and the guy kisses a girl. But they're having an affair and they get caught and it becomes a problem. He's CEO of a big company and he put out a big statement yesterday that I thought was interesting. We'll, you know, put that in our groupings of apologies that we, we like to read.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah, interesting is one word for his statement.

[Jack Armstrong]

Among other things. On the way. Stay here.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Why are you clapping for that?

[Unknown Advertiser]

Clap for that. What are you, the applause police, man?

[Jack Armstrong]

Different concert. I can't believe Coldplay with Chris Martin because he's a very progressive musician. You know, he's married to Gwyneth Paltrow. They named their kid Apple. They believed in. What was that? Conscious uncoupling or whatever, the whole package.

[Unknown Advertiser]

That's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he's still touring despite climate change. And I can't believe how much attention this story is getting. The whole. You've probably heard it already or seen it. If you watched any news yesterday, it included the story of they. They do a kiss cam at their concerts, like they do at baseball games, I guess. And they put. They put the camera on a couple who like, immediately gets wide eyed and like, disappear. And Chris Martin.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Usually couples see themselves and say, oh, let's kiss. It's the kiss cam. And everybody, yay. But this couple's like, holy crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

And everybody's yay. So here's what it sounded like. Yeah.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Oh, look at these two. All right, come on. You're okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Either they're having an affair or they're just very shy.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah, you're right.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're either having an affair or they're very shy. The CEO of this corporation with the HR chief of his company, they're both married to other people and pretty bold in their affair, I would say, to go out to this concert. Anyway, he felt the need because this blew up all day yesterday in social media. A statement from CEO Andy Byron. New York, New York, July 17. I want to acknowledge the moment that's been circulating online and the disappointment it's caused what was supposed to be a night of music and joy. Oh, wow. I couldn't even when I read that, I thought, I can't believe this is where you're starting. What was supposed to be a night of music and joy turned into a deeply personal mistake playing out on a very public stage. I want to sincerely apologize to my wife, my family, and the team at Astronomer. That's the company he runs. You deserve better. For me, as a partner, as a father, and as a leader.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Wow, that's. He's right. It has caused some disappointment. I love that word. His wife must be thinking, oh, he's having an affair and actually going out with her on the town. That's disappointing. And his children are thinking, oh, papa has another wife across town. I too am disappointed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or, our family is going to split up. And having been through that, this will be the most devastating thing that's ever happened in my entire life as a child. And I'll never ever be the same afterwards.

[Unknown Advertiser]

But how disappointing.

[Jack Armstrong]

How fun for everybody to see it happen on the Coldplay stage.

[Unknown Advertiser]

This is ironic that it was supposed to be a night of music and joy.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a weird way to look at it. This is not who I want to be or how I want to represent the company I helped build. It's about the company. I'm taking time to reflect, to take accountability, and to figure out the next steps personally and professionally. I asked for privacy as I navigate that process. Well, he probably was thinking lawyers and HR and all that sort of stuff immediately. In addition to the fact that he may have blown up his family.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Having already issued a fairly mediocre apology, he decides to write a little more.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is the part. It's amazing. I also want to express how troubling it is that what should have been a private moment became public without my consent. Ooh, so you're kind of angry at someone else for the way this has turned out. Interesting. I respect artists and entertainers, but I hope we can all think more deeply about the impact of turning someone else's life into a spectacle.

[Unknown Advertiser]

You are literally in an effing stadium full of people. In what sense is that a private moment? That is hilarious, sir.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't believe that with a little bit like rereading it, he thought. He didn't think. You know, I probably shouldn't blame anybody for this because I have created this situation completely on my own. Acting like it's someone else's fault somehow at the end of the letter is probably not a good idea. But I don't know, maybe that helped him sleep last night, probably in a hotel.

[Unknown Advertiser]

It's a great example of how we can come up with self justifying arguments that are just completely ridiculous. Because if I mean for him to claim that was a private moment, that's hilarious. But he believed it enough to write.

[Jack Armstrong]

It and issue it, or that that's the real. Or that that's worth even bringing up at all. So if Chris Martin hadn't put the camera on you, you'd have been able to have your affair and go to the concert with your lover and continue both of you lying to your families. And wouldn't that have been grand? I mean, what.

[Unknown Advertiser]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I like all this. Stay tuned.

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[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting that he makes it seem like Lyft is a a poor man's Uber. Where I was told a couple of years ago when I struggle with Uber that somebody told me, no, no, no, you got to do Lyft. Lyft is Target, Uber is Walmart. But then other people have told me it varies from town to town, which might be true, or maybe it's all funk, but it's certainly not clear that Lyft is like clearly lesser than Uber.

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I have looked for patterns and can't find them.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I can't either. Although the price of Alpha sure varies a lot sometimes. So I do check both if one comes back high.

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Yeah, absolutely true. But that's another pattern I haven't been able to figure out.

[Jack Armstrong]

If it's just if it just happens to be a day where there's a bunch of Lyft drivers out.

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Yeah, but a lot of guys are both. Anyway, sure there's somebody who has a grasp on this, perhaps you can email us mailbagarmstrongegetti.com but speaking of working and paying the people to do things to work for you, I came across this essay that I thought was so great by Roland Fryer. Roland is a fascinating guy. He's an absolutely brilliant youngish economist. He happens to be on the faculty of Harvard. Among other things, he's won many awards. He first came to fame as a young black man because he published an extremely compelling analysis in 2019 that we talked about at length, arguing that black and Hispanic Americans were no more likely than white Americans to be shot by police in a given interaction with police. In fact, it was somewhat less likely. And that was extremely controversial. And he was called all of the things black folks are called when they dare go against the progressive consensus. But he's a really compelling guy and what he's writing. Do you have a comment on that, Jack, before I forge ahead or. Okay, he's talking about the economics of diy. Do it yourself. Should you hire someone to mow your lawn or clean your house? And I thought this was great. And we'll post this at our topic. Oh yeah, I know. And it's. Trust me, it pays off. We'll post [e-mail] you might get paywalled, but we'll. We'll see what we can do. He mentions that Americans are real DIYers. We clean our own houses to large extent, assemble our own furniture, grill our burgers, even when we'd be better off hiring someone else.

[Jack Armstrong]

He says better off is a phrase that should be put in quotes because you can argue that that's the whole point of this.

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Indeed. Still, I mow my lawn and cook most nights for my family, even though I work 80 to 90 hours a week, not counting my side hustle as an unpai, a driver and sideline soccer coach for my two daughters. I'm an economist, able to think through these decision rash decisions rationally. Yet here we are. When a friend invited me to play golf and I declined because the yard needed mowing, he couldn't hide his disbelief. Quote, you can pay someone to cut your lawn, you can't pay someone to have fun for you. He. He meant it as a joke. I took it as an indictment. He was calling me out on one of the most basic principles in economics. Opportunity cost, meaning the things you give up when you spend your resources, including time and money, on something else. If I choose to be an astronaut, I have given up my chance to be an interpretive dancer, at least for a while.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think that was a good choice.

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If I. If I have limited money, explored space.

[Jack Armstrong]

As opposed to world around in random ways and claimed it meant something.

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So opportunity cost, meaning the things you give up when you spend your resources, including time and money, on something else. Was he right? Maybe. But a truly economics informed approach to DIY is more nuanced than it seems. It gets really interesting. It's tempting to treat decisions like this as simple arithmetic. Add up the cost of hiring help, compare it with your hourly wage. Voila. In that light, it does seem crazy for a tenured professor to mow his lawn.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, I, I talked about this a year or so ago. Scott Lince, who does the financial stuff, economic stuff for the Dispatch, wrote a long piece about that opportunity cost that really kind of convinced me toward hiring more people, though I don't know that I have, which I have a feeling this is where we're going. I want to hear the rest of this.

[Unknown Advertiser]

I bet you're right. Let's see. It's tempting to treat decisions like this. Simple arithmetic, as he says. It seems even crazier to do what I did as a broke grad student when I hired a daily housekeeper so I could stay focused on what mattered most. Research, writing, teaching in the occasional video game when I wasn't consumed with the first three. But that isn't really thinking like an economist. And he's one of the leaders in economics moving from this single minded idea that human beings are purely logical and purely, you know, economic in terms of dollars and cents, numbers, and that's the only thing that matters. It seems laughable in retrospect that that's the way economics thought for a long time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's interesting. You know, if you were going to go with that logic, no one would ever have kids. Because economically it does make sense, right?

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Economic decision making is about considering the full set of options and how much you value each one. Sometimes you may find yourself mowing the lawn when you can afford not to, or paying more than your hourly wage to hire help. Other economic concepts can illustrate why one diminishing marginal returns. The value of an extra hour isn't fixed. It depends on what came before it.

[Jack Armstrong]

If.

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If you've been working all weekend and finally carve out a free hour, mowing the lawn might feel like a punishment. And avoiding that punishment would be especially valuable. But if you spent the weekend relaxing or playing with your kids, that same hour might feel restorative. The activity hasn't changed. You have. He's mentioned speaking of Uber and Lyft as we were. When I've been traveling too much and I haven't seen my daughters, I'll sometimes take an Uber with them instead of driving, just so we can sit in the back and catch up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's.

[Unknown Advertiser]

To me, that's money well spent. That's cute. That's Sweet, isn't it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah. That brings me to a third economic layer to consider American beliefs about identity and morality. I think this is maybe what you were hinting at, Jack. We attach pride to doing things ourself. And pride has value, too. For some of us, mowing the lawn isn't only about the grass, time or money. It's about what it says about us. It signals I take care of my things. I don't rely on others. I'm not above the work. Sometimes I wonder if I'm pushing that mower out of principle or because I want others to see me pushing it. I resisted hiring anybody to help with lawn care, landscaping, plants, trees, etc, for a very long time for precisely that reason. And I had to admit it. And I had some fairly complicated yards that took so much time and energy it was indefensible. But I was doing it out of pride.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting. I think he also got a factor in what it signals to your kids. And I don't know which side of this person would be on. You might feel like you should signal to your kids, don't waste your time mowing the lawn. Or you might feel like, I'm closer to this need to signal to my kids, I mow the freaking lawn, right?

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And that mowing the lawn, I do what has to be done, whether I like it or not. Maybe the most important muscle any human being ever develops. In fact, I know it is beneath our pride lurks the opportunity cost, my friend chided me about, a cost that too few people consider seriously. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Americans spend two hours a day on household activities like cooking, cleaning, laundry and yard work. That's more time than we spend exercising or socializing. We should probably buy more of that time back, even if it means swallowing a little pride. Not everyone can or should outsource his DIY activities, of course, but a great many people perform these tasks out of habit, inertia or guilt and would be better off spending the money to get help.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, the. Oh, I. I just. I. 1. I enjoy mowing the lawn. I just. I don't think I could. I don't. I don't have a lawn currently. I don't own a house, so. But I. If I did own the house I have, I would mow the lawn myself. But there's other stuff, like our agents always on me because every time I'm talking to him about personal life stuff. It's just the amount of paperwork that I have to do is the loan. I'm the Head of the household and the household. I'm the only person I should hire somebody for that. I should not be spending my time hours trying to log into a website, pay a stupid bill crap. Somebody should be doing that for me. That's just a waste of my life.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah, yeah. And the sentence about many people perform these tasks out of habit, inertia or guilt and would be better off spending the money to get help. You know, that reminds me of one of the great divides, I think, that, that you can observe in society. The left generally is big on trust your feelings and the right is more on, you know, observe your feelings, but think about them. Your feelings are irrational and unhelpful at least as often as they are, you know, or, you know, maybe it's 60, 40 or 40, 60, it doesn't matter. But the idea that your feelings are always right and you should always trust them. Yeah, yeah. My, my husband kind of me off. I'm gonna blast him and tell him exactly what I think of him. No, don't trust that feeling. It'll be gone in like 10 seconds anyway. Here are some examples, Roland rights of how to think through this decision, these decisions. Like an economist, Jane is a corporate lawyer and workaholic. Not enough hours in her day, her rare months of free time are precious. She's got cash to burn for her. Paying someone to clean the house or prepare dinner isn't indulgence, it's common sense. That's an easy one. Heather is short on both time and money and hiring a cleaner would cost more than she makes at work. Usually she hates cleaning or needs that time for something urgent. She's probably better off doing it herself. That isn't a failure. It's the most rational choice given her circumstances. Yeah, I didn't want. Unless she really hates cleaning or needs that time, she's better off doing it herself.

[Jack Armstrong]

I did want to throw this in because we're going to get a whole bunch of texts about this because the last time we brought it up about, you know, you and your effing yachts or whatever, about people who this is an option for. Yeah, for a big giant chunk of my life. I didn't worry about these conversations because it wasn't an option to hire anybody to do anything ever. So you have to be in a situation where it's an option.

[Unknown Advertiser]

So he gave you a pretty easy one on both ends. John is a middle class dad with modest savings and limited flexibility at work. If he wants extra time at home, he can't simply clock out early. He Pays the cleaner more than he makes per hour. So on paper, it doesn't seem to add up yet. It buys him time to read to his kids or help with homework or simply be less stressed after a long shift. It might be the smartest money he spends all week. He isn't maximizing his present disposable income, but he's boosting his lifetime utility.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's where I was. I'm getting a person to clean the house, which I still rubs me the wrong way. It just, it's not in my DNA. But it became clear to me that it was cutting into time with the kids to do various things. And I can't justify that. If I were on my own, no freaking way I would be hired. I was cleaner to do this. I would do it myself. But I just, I couldn't. I couldn't justify saying I'm sorry, I can't go for a bike ride. I gotta finish this laundry. I just, I couldn't. I couldn't justify that. But it does bother me. My kids sometimes have a bit of an attitude about the house cleaner didn't do something right or whatever. And I don't like that.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Oh, boy. I don't like that at all. Totally hear you. You are absolutely justified in hiring a housekeeper. Are your kids absolutely justified in having one? No. I know, what a quandary. I. I don't even like to admit that Judy and I have a house cleaner, especially because she does not get along with our butler at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

They have a thing going way back. There's just no solving it.

[Unknown Advertiser]

And.

And sleeve boy. My servant who merely buttons the little button that's like mid arm that's so difficult to button. He hears them bickering and he can't concentrate on his work. And then I have to punish him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown Advertiser]

To cite a long running joke on the Armstrong and Getty show, I have.

[Jack Armstrong]

Known people, you know, and it's none of my business. I have known people that complained to me about their financial situation and have people that do this stuff. And I think, okay, you're paycheck to paycheck. You're barely making it. Don't have someone clean your house.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Maybe do it yourself.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you know, who am I?

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Teach their own Michael. I just remember Joe has that guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who'S a footstool as well. Oh, yeah, remember the human footstool? That's right.

[Unknown Advertiser]

He's part time. He's just during, you know, the latter part of the week when I'm getting tired and really need a footstool and the adjustable kind, the mechanical kind aren't good enough. I like to be able to say footstool boy. Footstool boy when it comes back up slightly higher, please. Thank you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Comes with you whatever room you go into. It's very handy.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Yeah, footstool boy. We're moving to the den now. Oh my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is the worst. Any thoughts in any of this text line 415295 KFTC Armstrong and Gettysburg time.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

We are thrilled to have you here.

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This, this is a terrific facility. Needs a lot of work.

Fox News joined Attorney General Pam Bondi and Interior Secretary Doug Burgum for an exclusive tour of the Rock.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now part of a national park park. Alcatraz is is the brand known around the world for being a effective at housing people that are in in incarceration.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Across the country then had to take the boat out to Alcatraz in San.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Island and then and then act like this is a gonna happen. Okay. Anywho just came across this story.

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You know, the truth is very briefly Alcatraz is much, much more significant as a tourist location than as a prison. It was a prison for a relatively short amount of time and and it captures the imagination because it's remote and you take a boat ride out there and it's fun.

[Jack Armstrong]

I want to talk about CBS firing Colbert. That's a, that's an interesting one. If it was financial and not political, man, the timing certain certainly doesn't work in your favor for that narrative. But, uh, I wanna talk about this at some point, Australia is the first major country clearing the path for a social media age. Checks are really age checks of any kind online that they think will work, which obviously you could apply to social media and porn and all kinds of different things. Maybe we'll talk about that a little bit later. I came across this thread I thought was really good. I was asked from actually for Matt, Matt Taibi, who we really like the journalist Matt Tyby. He just said, post your favorite NPR ridiculousness.

[Unknown Advertiser]

Oh, I love that.

[Jack Armstrong]

On the day that the taxpayer funding for NPR and PBS got yanked and the mainstream and left is claiming like it's some sort of attack on free speech or whatever. Good lord. Actually, Tom Cotton, Senator Tom Cotton, Republican, said this would be like yanking the funding if there was taxpayer funding from Breitbart News and it got yanked. Except he said, except for Breitbart's closer to mainstream than it than NPR is. I haven't read Breitbart regularly in a long time, but NPR is so far out there, it's unbelievable. Anyway, here's just some examples. People bringing up old tweets or whatever. This is probably the biggest one from a couple years back. The NPR public editor tweeted out, why haven't you seen any stories from NPR about the New York Post Hunter Biden story? Read more in this week's newsletter. In which he said, we don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories and we don't want to waste the listeners and readers time on stories that are just pure distractions about the Hunter Biden laptop. Nice job, NPR. Um, here's one from NPR. A new poll finds 40% of respondents believe in a baseless conspiracy theory that the coronavirus was created in a lab in China. There is zero evidence for this. Scientists say the virus was transmitted to humans from another species. Thank you for that one, npr. Oh, this is a good one. That held up well about emojis a while back. Some white people may choose to use the yellow thumbs up emoji because it feels neutral, but academics argue it's actually racist and is trying to get away from your white privilege. That was an NPR story.

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[Jack Armstrong]

They're the network that says Latinx, Armstrong and Getty.

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