Go That Low

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "Go That Low" (July 29, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into the contentious Senate hearing centered around Dr. Anthony Fauci’s role in the COVID-19 pandemic and the broader societal response to authority, trust, and accountability. The podcasters dissect Senator Rand Paul’s attempts to demand answers, Fauci’s refusal to testify, and the media’s treatment of the topic. Beyond the politics, the hosts shift to cultural reflections on mental health, resilience, and attitudes towards life’s adversities, including some colorful anecdotes and philosophical musings.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Fauci Senate Hearing: Accountability and Science under Scrutiny

• Fauci as a Figurehead: The episode opens by recalling how Dr. Fauci became the central, almost iconic, figure during the pandemic, embodying the public’s need for a steady hand (“the nation's top infectious disease expert”—[02:33]).

• Human Nature and Leadership: Armstrong and Getty discuss why societies rally behind strong figures during crises, likening it to a childhood desire for reassurance ([03:11], [04:09]).

  “People want a king. They want somebody to be in charge, somebody to look to that they can fool themselves into believing…because how often do you put your faith in someone who's infallible? That doesn't exist."
  —Jack Armstrong ([03:11])

• Rand Paul’s Pursuit: The Senate hearing led by Senator Rand Paul focuses heavily on whether U.S.-funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan contributed to the pandemic and Fauci's accountability ([05:38], [06:30]).

  “They wanted to know whether their money funded experiments in Wuhan that made bat coronaviruses better able to infect humans. The answer is yes.”
  —Rand Paul ([06:30])

• Fauci’s Refusal and Fifth Amendment: Fauci, on attorney advice, refuses to answer questions, invoking the Fifth Amendment due to what he calls Rand Paul’s “unhinged obsession” ([13:38]).

  “Given Senator Paul's obvious obsession with calling for my prosecution...I will invoke my right under the fifth amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering your questions.”
  —Dr. Fauci ([13:38])

• Loss of Trust: Rand Paul addresses the consequences of secrecy and arrogance in public health crises, warning it undermines public trust ([11:29]).

  “It is secrecy that destroys trust. It is arrogance that destroys trust. It is censorship that destroys trust. And it is the refusal to admit error that destroys trust.”
  —Rand Paul ([11:29])

• Media Coverage Skepticism: The hosts predict poor media coverage, highlighting ongoing polarization in press responses ([15:34]).

  “I look forward to seeing what the coverage of this is throughout the day. I have a feeling I know what it's going to be and it's going to be very disappointing.”
  —Jack Armstrong ([15:34])

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2. Modern Society, Mental Health, and Pathologizing Human Experience

• Armstrong’s Divorce and Grief: Jack reflects on his personal experience of grief after his wife asked for a divorce, emphasizing that feeling bad after bad events is normal, not a pathology ([25:00]).

  “Don't pathologize grief. In other words, something bad happened, you're supposed to feel bad maybe for quite a while. That's the normal reaction…”
  —Jack Armstrong ([25:00])

• Mental Health "Concept Creep": The hosts discuss a New York Times piece noting rising self-diagnoses of mental illness and the expansion of what counts as "depression" or "trauma" ([26:56], [27:05]).

  “They call it concept creep in New York Times and how we've just, just kept expanding the definition of depression, anxiety, all these different things to where it encompasses pretty much just being a human being.”
  —Jack Armstrong ([27:05])

• The “Sweet Spot” of Attention: Joe Getty observes that overthinking both physical and mental health problems can worsen outcomes, advocating balance ([27:23]).

  “If you obsess over your physical health, it will hurt your health. You will make yourself insane. You will become or are a hypochondriac…There's a sweet spot.”
  —Joe Getty ([27:23])

• Mommy vs. Daddy Response: The discussion extends to parenting metaphors: comforting vs. tough-love responses to adversity, and how those shape character ([29:33]).

  “If, if the people around you say, yeah, me too, and you go on with your day, you're going to have a different attitude than oh no, no, you probably have anxiety.”
  —Joe Getty ([30:44])

• Resilience and Societal Implications: They reflect on whether a society built on "toughness" or one preoccupied with "diagnosis" is more likely to thrive during real crises ([31:08]).

  “If the S hits the fan…under the COVID suffering from anxiety and depression over every single thing that happens…versus a society where they suck it up. Which society is going to prevail?”
  —Jack Armstrong ([31:08])

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3. Philosophical Reflections on Attitude and Resilience

• Shakespeare’s Wisdom: Citing Hamlet, the hosts emphasize the power of perspective:

  “Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
  —Hamlet, referenced by Jack Armstrong ([34:54])

• Anecdotes of Survival: Recounting the story of country singer Trace Adkins surviving a point-blank gunshot wound (through both lungs and his heart) as a testament to improbable resilience ([19:27]).

  “Both lungs and your heart. How the hell is that possible?”
  —Jack Armstrong ([20:14])

• Reframing Negative Experiences: Jack recounts riding his motorcycle, initially in a bad mood but forcing himself to realize the objective positivity of his circumstance ([36:04]).

  “You're riding a really cool motorcycle into one of the greatest cities on earth to do a job you love, and you're in a bad mood and it's just like, what?”
  —Jack Armstrong ([36:04])

• “Get Over It” Moments: They discuss the value of friends or coaches giving tough feedback, and how those moments can trigger personal growth ([33:12]).

  “Somebody says something that you could construe as mean, but it ends up helping a lot.”
  —Jack Armstrong ([33:13])

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4. Notable Lighter Moments & Pop Culture

• Hearing Sideshow: Commentary on the “blonde behind Rand Paul” at the hearing—her viral fame simply due to her on-camera placement ([04:27]).

  “If she'd have been over his left shoulder, she wouldn't have been in the camera shot…but the web of sphere is talking about her.”
  —Jack Armstrong ([05:25])

• Trial Lawyers vs. Self-Driving Cars: Observation that the personal injury attorney industry is opposing self-driving cars as a threat to their business model ([41:47]).

  “The vast, vast majority of their money is made on car wrecks. The trial lawyers associations are foaming at the mouth against self driving cars.”
  —Joe Getty ([41:47])

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Dr. Fauci’s refusal to testify:

  “Given Senator Paul's obvious obsession with calling for my prosecution… I will invoke my right under the fifth amendment…”
  —Dr. Fauci ([13:38])

• On government accountability:

  “It is secrecy that destroys trust. It is arrogance that destroys trust…That loss of trust may be your most damaging legacy. Trust can't be ordered. It has to be earned.”
  —Rand Paul ([11:29])

• On self-diagnosis of mental health:

  “A third of American adults have given themselves a diagnosis of a mental illness based on information that they got online. A third for Gen Z, half, half of Gen Z thinks they have a mental illness...”
  —Jack Armstrong ([26:56])

• Shakespeare on Attitude:

  "Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
  —Hamlet, cited ([34:54])

• Personal growth from tough feedback:

  “Brady thought, oh my God, he's right. And it changed his brain chemistry and his entire emotional approach...”
  —Joe Getty ([33:18])

• Humorous closing thoughts:

  “May Anthony Fauci forget to look left before he steps up a curb.”
  —Jack Armstrong ([46:09])

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Segment Timestamps

• Senate Hearing/Fauci-Rand Paul Debate: [02:29] – [15:34], [40:28] – [42:39]
• Mental Health Reflections: [18:44] – [36:38]
• Philosophical/Attitude Discussion: [34:23] – [37:14]
• Lighter/Pop Culture Moments: Viral blonde ([04:27] – [05:25]), Trace Adkins story ([19:27] – [20:22]), Self-driving cars ([41:47] – [42:14])
• Final Thoughts & Humor: [44:33] – [46:27]

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Conclusion

This episode is a punchy, irreverent, and at times deeply reflective examination of how Americans deal with authority, accountability, and adversity—whether in government or personal life. Armstrong & Getty blend political criticism with notes of philosophical resilience, challenging listeners to find perspective amid cultural chaos. The tone, as always, is conversational, candid, and occasionally biting, but it’s anchored by a genuine search for meaning in complex times.

Transcript

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[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

And now, here's Armstrong and Getty, The

[Joe Getty]

single most respected voice in the pandemic. It's Dr. Anthony Fauci, the man who's

[Jack Armstrong]

become known as America's doctor, the nation's top infectious disease expert.

[Joe Getty]

Anthony Fauci. You are a saint to many as a superhero.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dr. Anthony Fauci, American hero and New York Yankee fan.

[Joe Getty]

You've done so much for this country

[Jack Armstrong]

in terms of this crisis.

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Who better to give us answers that

[Joe Getty]

we can trust than Dr. Anthony Fauci? Perfect person to answer our questions today. Joining us now, Dr. Anthony Fauci.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dr. Anthony Fauci. Appreciate your candor.

[Joe Getty]

Dr. Fauci. Appreciate the candor. We appreciate your service to this country.

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[Jack Armstrong]

You know,

[Joe Getty]

just before I was going to vomit. Go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

As we've talked about for many, many years, people, a lot of. Of a lot of human nature, people want a king. They want somebody to be in charge, somebody to look to that they can fool themselves into believing, usually. Because how often do you put your faith in someone who's in. Well, never do you put your faith in someone who's infallible. That doesn't exist.

[Guest or Caller]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

But wartime pandemics, you just. You rally around someone and everybody just all of a sudden. And I don't know if that makes us feel better to believe we're being led by someone who's in. Somebody's in charge, everything's okay. Somebody's got this.

[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

I represent science.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or if there's just a certain segment of society, like, if you tend to have the, you know, conflict divisions for whatever reason, you have the liberal mindset, you like the government telling you what to do. Like, I wasn't pining for someone to tell me what to do during the pandemic, really, but apparently a lot of people were, and they landed on Anthony Fauci.

[Joe Getty]

I get. And maybe this is at the heart of it, the desire to return to the time when you were a little child when mommy and daddy said, it'll be okay, honey, and you went to sleep believing it would be okay. I get that. Psychologically, it does not run my political. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the hearing is going on today between. Well, Anthony Fauci is the center of it. And Rand Paul called the hearing. He's in charge. We have to at least check in on the blonde sitting behind Rand Paul that I predicted early in the show was going to become an influencer just because she's attractive and she's in the screenshot. And it turns out Twitter has blown up with the. Who's the blonde behind Rand Paul? Hey, everyone. Who's the blonde? Who's that blonde chick? Somebody's figured out who she is. Her name is out there. She now has several hundred thousand more Instagram followers. And this has only been going on for a couple hours. So her life has changed, probably for the worse. She'll have a million people following her by the end of the day and some toothpaste or somebody will pay her to talk about it on her Instagram feed. And that's the way the modern world works, people.

[Joe Getty]

She's got to have an agent and an attorney before lunchtime.

[Michael (Producer or Crew)]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because she was sitting over Rand Paul's right shoulder. If she'd have been over his left shoulder, she wouldn't have been in the camera shot. But because she was over his right shoulder, she's in the camera shot, and, you know, the web of sphere is talking about her.

[Joe Getty]

So Rand Paul, to his credit, in my opinion, I believe Jack agrees with me, is trying to finally have an honest accounting of what happened during the COVID nightmare. What was Anthony Fauci's role in it, Specifically the fact that Fauci financed the gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute that then clearly leaked out of the lab. And if that is not true, Fauci can certainly defend himself. Except, whoops, no, he's not. Which we'll get to in a moment. I'll tell you this. The Democratic ranking member, Senator Gary Peters, his whole screed was this hearing looks backward. It's focused on the past questions we've already answered. We have challenges. Today there's an athlete's foot outbreak in Indiana. We should be talking about that, not this ancient history stuff. Well, we'll dip into Rand Paul's opening statement and give you at least some samples of it.

[Rand Paul (Senator)]

The American people weren't asking for a semantics debate over what is gain of function. They were asking, does common sense say this research was dangerous in Wuhan? They wanted to know whether their money funded experiments in Wuhan that made bat coronaviruses better able to infect humans. The answer is yes. They wanted to know whether NIAID adequately supervised their work. The answer is no. When you defended this research, you described its benefits in the broadest terms. But when Congress demanded accountability, you hid behind the narrowest possible definition. You can't have it both ways.

[Jack Armstrong]

So do you think if Anthony Fauci had done what some people would do, most people would do? I don't know the answer to that. If he had at the beginning said, yeah, there is something called gain of function. It's where in a lab, we make the worst viruses we possibly can so that we can study how we would treat them if one ever occurred naturally. That's what we were doing there in Wuhan, and somehow it got out of the lab, would he have been, like a villain forever? Would he have had to change his name and. And be in hiding the rest of his life because people would be, you know, trying to hurt him. Or do you think.

[Joe Getty]

Or would it be talking about at the very outset of COVID Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

If he had admitted to what gain of function is and that they did it and that, you know, it went wrong, would he. In other words, can. Can you explain a way why he would want to. Want to.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Would have wanted to hide that? Would people have gone nuts and made him a villain?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy, I don't think I would have. Well, that's.

[Jack Armstrong]

Government work is kind of the coin of the realm.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Let me. Although it usually doesn't lead to the millions of deaths. Boy, that's an interesting thought experiment. I'm having trouble in my own brain getting past the fact that he pushed and pushed and pushed for this sort of research to be allowed because he thought it was important. And then when it escaped the lab and killed lots and lots of people, he was already in way too deep to admit, hey, whoops. It escaped the lab because he'd been the one or he'd been among people driving hardest to convince people that, no, you have to let us do this.

[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

Why?

[Jack Armstrong]

I probably. We've probably had this discussion five years ago, and I know the answer, but I've forgotten it.

[Joe Getty]

Why.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why China? Why do it in China, a country that, you know, we don't trust they're an enemy. The United States, communist country. I mean, why. Why do something like this in a Chinese lab?

[Joe Getty]

My recollection is that you were not allowed to in the United States. That could be. That might not be right. You might have been able to do it in like, a super insane, oh, secure lab, but I don't think so. And the second thing is, there are, there were and are a number of experts in bat born coronavirus in China. They're like, at the leading edge of that research. So it made sense.

[Jack Armstrong]

So some lady got bit by a bat in the lab, went home, coughed on her husband, probably. Next thing you know, millions are dead across the entire planet.

[Joe Getty]

And Dr. Fauci covered for the Communist Chinese. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Something like $12 trillion were spent.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Rand Paul (Senator)]

Michael, President Biden issued you a sweeping pardon extending back to 2014, the same pardon he gave to his son Hunter. A pardon may protect a person from criminal prosecution, doesn't rewrite history, it does not erase documents, it does not convert a misleading statement into a truthful one, and it does not prevent Congress from establishing what happened.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do you think Rand Paul actually thinks of Dr. Fauci? Like what he says to his Close friends.

[Joe Getty]

Roughly what I've been saying.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he is an evil effing.

[Joe Getty]

Like a psychopath or he's a coward. And he has indulged his cowardice at enormous, enormous cost.

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Although.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that's all true, but he's one guy and we should have a system to be able to hold one guy to account. But all of the media is willing to cover from for the psychopath. Doesn't matter that his diary was exposed over the weekend and there's an entry in there which he states as plainly as could be that he's done the research. The research has been done and it didn't come out of a cave or the wet market. It came out of the lab. He says that. And nobody's reporting on that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, not many anyway. Nobody left to the Wall street journalists. Next clip.

[Rand Paul (Senator)]

There will be another pandemic. There will be another crisis. And there will again be officials who insist that uncertainty must be hidden for the public's own good. They will demand obedience. They will invoke science. I am the science, as though it were a commandment. They will argue that government officials cannot be questioned because questioning them would undermine public trust. They have it backwards. It is secrecy that destroys trust. It is arrogance that destroys trust. It is censorship that destroys trust. And it is the refusal to admit error that destroys trust. That loss of trust may be your most damaging legacy. Trust can't be ordered. It has to be earned. No scientist is above scrutiny. No government official is beyond accountability. And no public servant has the right to treat the suffering of millions of Americans as a footnote to his preferred version of history.

[Joe Getty]

I want to throw in here that remember Fauci? Well, in the Democrats point of view is that man who was just talking, what he just said, he's just crazy. He's got it in for Fauci. He's looking at the past. You are absolutely soulless, gutless and have no desire to argue in good faith. If you respond to what Rand Paul just said with a why are we looking backward? It's disgusting.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we didn't watch a hearing because it was happening while we're on the air. I don't know, Hanson, if you saw it, did anybody flat out ask the question? Even though I know Fauci's answer was on the advice of my attorney, I am using my fifth Amendment right to not answer. Did anybody specifically ask why did you write in your diary one day that you now know it didn't occur naturally, that it did come out of the lab, and then the next day Go on CNN and say the opposite. Why did you do that? Did anybody ask him that specifically? Because that'd be a good sound bite. Because that's what happened.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of sound bites, why don't we wrap up this segment with Dr. Fauci himself. Here was his at least part of his opening statement.

[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

Given Senator Paul's obvious obsession with calling for my prosecution, his repeated slanderous comments about me, and recently his publicly releasing my unredacted personal diary aimed at embarrassing and intimidating me, the only conclusion I can reach is that the sole reason he is calling me before this committee is to get me to say something, anything, that could vindicate his repeated public pledges that I end up in his words, quote, behind bars, unquote. Any reasonable person who has followed his unhinged obsession with me would readily come to the same conclusion. Therefore, although it pains me to do so because of the respect I have for the legislative branch of government and my decades long record of cooperating with Congress, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under the fifth amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering your questions. Thank you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Doesn't have to be behind bars, in front of a speeding bus or submerged. Also work.

[Joe Getty]

You're open minded. Yeah, I'm struck. And this will be my final note for the segment that Rand Paul laid out a very calm, very carefully constructed argument for why this is so important. Trust, government accountability, the next pandemic, etc. And Fauci's answer was an ad hominem attack. You're a maniac. You've got it in for me and I'm not going to answer any questions.

[Jack Armstrong]

I look forward to seeing what the coverage of this is throughout the day. I have a feeling I know what it's going to be and it's going to be very disappointing. More on the ways there.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Joe asked a question the other day. At what point of a percentage of people being depressed or anxious or whatever you Describe your problem as. At what point. What point are enough people saying that. That we just consider it the human condition. It's just part of being a human. And the New York Times had a piece just a couple of days ago. We've never been more focused on our mental health. And it's getting worse. And those things might be, you know, cause and effect. So speaking of mental health, we'll get to that coming up next segment. It's pretty interesting. Nice to see it in the New York Times. Speaking of mental health, here's a country music star you have or have not heard of. Trace Atkins talking about his ex wife trying to shoot him.

[Guest or Caller]

For some reason, I don't think she even had any idea what that gun was going to do. She thought it was a toy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was she pulling it, like in a

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She was mad. Yeah. She put it under my left arm. And the bullet came out under my right arm. So it went straight through. I just remember getting up off the floor and then taking a few steps and then going back down. Went straight through my heart and both my lungs. It was kill shot. The doctor said the only reason I survive was because the bullet went through at point blank velocity, at muzzle velocity, so it didn't have time to mushroom.

[Jack Armstrong]

Holy crap. I assumed when he said it went through one side, the other. Well, okay. It's one of those deals where it just luckily missed everything. No, it hit everything.

[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Both lungs and your heart. How the hell is that possible?

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To live.

[Joe Getty]

And then I'm fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

As you can hear.

[Guest or Caller]

I'm.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think she knew what that gun was gonna do. That guy's got a low.

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[Joe Getty]

Yeah, he does. I think most people are fairly familiar with what guns are gonna do if you say pointed at somebody and pull the trigger.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because you hear those stories sometimes where people get shot and it misses everything.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they're fine. Happen to that guy in San Francisco? The dude tried to steal his Rolex, gets shot. Luckily it missed all the important stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, the 49ers receiver.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Ricky Pierce.

[Guest or Caller]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

But here's the opposite. Amazing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Both lungs and the heart.

[Joe Getty]

The bullet was moving so quickly, it didn't spread or mushroom as bullets do. Hollow points.

[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

And.

[Joe Getty]

And it just. It made a neat little hole through everything.

[Jack Armstrong]

You'd still think that wouldn't do you any good.

[Joe Getty]

I would be highly concerned.

[Guest or Caller]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

I went down, then I got up to a couple steps.

[Joe Getty]

You're. You're halfway down to his voice.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't even get close there.

[Joe Getty]

There are whales who would hear his voice and say, wow, that's a low voice. Grizzly bears are like, wow. You hear that guy? Okay, so one more thing from the Fauci hearing that I just came down

[Jack Armstrong]

through both testes, up through my stomach.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, that's not what it's turned and

[Jack Armstrong]

came back through the other nipple.

[Joe Getty]

That'd be painful, wouldn't it? So one more note from the Fauci hearing an absolutely fascinating point on why one industry is hardcore against self driving cars and say forehead slapper went whistling out my ear hole, bounced off a window, come up through a nostril and up through my, you know, around back by my butthole. Now again, that's not what he said.

[Michael (Producer or Crew)]

Really?

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[Jack Armstrong]

And finally, more than £12,000 of bacon imported from Canada to the US was just recalled. These are interesting times. The only thing we can eat on a BLT is the tea. So this guest essay in the New York Times about how we've never focused more on our mental health and it's making our mental health worse as opposed to making it better. And there might be a connection between the two and it fits in with something a really smart guy told me. I'm glad it came up in conversation because it really, really helped me at the time. So when my wife told me she wanted a divorce, was very, very, very unhappy about that. I'm still very unhappy about that, but like extremely unhappy about it at that moment. Having a couple of young kids and, and particularly what it was going to do to them and, and I was talking to a guy about how down I was about it and he said, well, don't pathologize grief. In other words, something bad happened, you're supposed to feel bad maybe for quite a while. That's the normal reaction to something bad happening. If you don't feel bad after something real bad happens. That's the weird thing. It's, you're supposed to feel bad after something bad happening again, maybe for quite a while.

[Joe Getty]

You don't have depression, you're sad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly.

[Joe Getty]

They're very different things.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's not something to fix. It's just, it's something you have to go through. It's part of being a human being. Differentiating the difference between the two, you know, isn't always easiest. But we're clearly getting it wrong in modern society with some of these numbers they have in the New York Times, which are amazing. A third of American adults have given themselves a diagnosis of a mental illness based on information that they got online. A third for Gen Z, half, half of Gen Z thinks they have a mental illness, usually anxiety or depression. Obviously that doesn't make any sense.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, you throw in ADHD and there are legitimate cases of all of them. Of course

[Jack Armstrong]

they call it concept creep in New York Times and how we've just, just kept expanding the definition of depression, anxiety, all these different things to where it encompasses pretty much just being a human being.

[Joe Getty]

Human experience.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the human experience, right.

[Joe Getty]

I believe that we did not pay enough attention to mental health issues back in the day or treated them poorly. But like everything else in life, there's a sweet spot. I mean, let's put this aside because, you know, if people say, look Joe, you're talking like you know everything. I've, I've got anxiety, terrible anxiety, this drug has helped me, blah, blah, blah, that, that, that may be true, but if you obsess over your physical health, it will hurt your health. You will make yourself insane. You will become or are a hypochondriac. That's not to say you shouldn't pay attention. If you have chest pains or whatever, there's a sweet spot. But if you obsess over this stuff, and I've got enough hypochondria to, to be an authority on this, this topic, you can't obsess over it or it will convince you, you know, you've got the malady.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I would guess, having gotten to this point where we are, that we were better off leaning toward the under appreciating it than the over appreciating it, the soldiering on, the, you know, whatever, get over it lifestyle. Because this is, it's just such a crazy way to be a society.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

The way it is right now. Listen to this experiment.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, go ahead,

[Jack Armstrong]

let me find it here. The problem isn't just that many people give themselves incorrect diagnoses. It's also that these diagnoses can put people on the path to developing poor mental health. A kind of self fulfilling prophecy. When people in one study were encouraged to adopt a very broad view of what constitutes trauma. You sit them down and say, no, no, no. Did you ever have a dog die? Okay, Then you've had trauma, you know, that sort of of thing. So you're suffering from trauma. You broaden the definition of trauma with people, they reported greater levels of distress after watching a film clip with disturbing content and were more likely to describe the experience as personally traumatic. Yeah, so you broaden the definition of trauma, then you're more likely to say bad things have happened to you or traumatic and you're suffering from trauma.

[Rand Paul (Senator)]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not surprising.

[Joe Getty]

And again, I'm all for the sweet spot, not the extremes, but I'm struck by discussion we've had or the appropriateness of a discussion we've had several times on, you know, slightly different topics. The, the mommy effect and the daddy effect. When the kid falls down and scrapes their knee at the playground, often mommy will say, oh no, oh no, come to me. Oh, oh, with hugs and stuff. And dad will say, ah, you're fine, go play. And we can all picture, certainly those of us who've raised kids, we can picture the kid in scenario one really steers into the trauma of the skinned knee with blubbering and cries and getting hugs and stuff, which feel nice. Whereas the kid that dad says, nah, you look okay to me, you'll be fine, go play. I mean, it's not hard to extrapolate that phenomenon to, I'm feeling some anxiety, I'm feeling some depression, I'm unsure of myself, I have imposter syndrome, I'm not sure people like me, whatever. If, if the people around you say, yeah, me too, and you go on with your day, you're going to have

[Jack Armstrong]

a different attitude than oh no, no,

[Joe Getty]

you probably have anxiety.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just the way we're made as beasts. Well, in terms of being too far one direction or the other, just looking at society as opposed to individual people. If the S hits the fan and you got a society that's, you know, under the COVID suffering from anxiety and depression over every single thing that happens

[Joe Getty]

in their lives versus self obsessed panty

[Jack Armstrong]

waists versus a society where they suck it up. Yeah. Which society is going to prevail?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm going heavily, I'm betting heavily on society number two.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not much of a question.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, I think the fact that an article like that saying we've gone way too far showing up in the New York Times is definitely a sign that we've gone too far.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it's a touchy, touchy subject, isn't it friends? Don't we all have. And maybe it's you yourself, don't we all have folks, loved ones who've, who are in this world dealing with this stuff, perhaps taking medications, etc.

[Jack Armstrong]

And who clearly have something wrong with them. It's not even debatable. I shouldn't say something wrong, that's not the right term.

[Joe Getty]

But oh, I Think it's the right term?

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, fine, but. But it's clear. I mean, it's not even a question.

[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

I've.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've got one in my life which I've talked a lot about. I mean, it's not even a question that something isn't functioning the way it's supposed to in terms of emotional regulation and everything.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I was actually talking about the opposite kind of the borderline cases. I would like to put that piece in front of some people and find a way to say, I'm not suggesting you're not legit or you're faking it or you're. Or whatever. I just want you to keep these thoughts in mind as you look at your own mental health. It's a difficult needle to thread, but I feel like I'm going to thread it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. People are so touchy feely, soft in this modern world. Maybe everybody. I was about to say everybody's had this experience, but maybe you haven't. I was going to say, hasn't everybody had the experience where you're like down about this or scared about that or whatever, and somebody just like says, get over it or come on or you don't have a choice or whatever, and you snap out of it, you're fine.

[Guest or Caller]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hasn't everybody had that experience? I have multiple times in my life. Or a friend tells you whatever it happens to everybody or something.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Somebody says something that you could construe as mean, but it ends up helping a lot.

[Joe Getty]

I mentioned this on the show a couple of weeks ago. I think it was that Tom Brady told a story to the Kelsey brothers that he had a terrible attitude. His first, I think, couple of years in college as a college quarterback. And he had a coach take him aside and chew him out and tell him, you know your problem? It's your attitude. You're so negative. You're so self indulgent. How about you approach it this way instead, huh? And Brady thought, oh my God, he's right. And it changed his brain chemistry and his entire emotional approach to what he did.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, it's impossible to picture Tom Brady having a negative attitude.

[Joe Getty]

I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we're buying by two touchdowns. There's no catching up in this game. I mean, that is not the way Tom Brady performed.

[Joe Getty]

Coaches are calling running plays because they don't think I'm good enough. They never gave me a fair chance, you know, that sort of thing. Which I think the reason he is the way he is now is he's like, it's the fervor of the converted. He saw the change it made in his life to approach things in a positive way. And so he's just. He's brimming with enthusiasm for it.

[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's that Shakespeare line? I came across it in Hamlet the other day. I promised I was going to memorize it, but I haven't. I took the notes on it. Nothing is either good or bad to know one.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Takes one to no one. Exactly.

[Guest or Caller]

That's what it was.

[Jack Armstrong]

I could find it in, like, two seconds.

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It's worth.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's worth finding because it's so dang good.

[Joe Getty]

Alas, poor Yorick. Why you got to be such a dick?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why? Why are you such a dick? Maybe I can't find it as fast as I thought.

[Joe Getty]

To be or not to be. What is the apartment number? Hey.

[Montucky Advertiser 2]

Oh,

[Jack Armstrong]

oh, here it is. From Hamlet. Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. Yes.

[Guest or Caller]

Wow.

[Armstrong and Getty Announcer]

That is.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is so true.

[Guest or Caller]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Nothing Spear shakes me to the core.

[Jack Armstrong]

And talking about, you know, being in prison, you can have a good attitude about being in prison, or you can focus on all the negative and be miserable, but it's just, you know, your choice.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God, the Hannah Arendt. And. Oh, who wrote such brilliant stuff about being in concentration camps? The name escapes me, but yeah. Yeah, there's some absolutely wonderful stuff that's been written about that in the worst of circumstances. Some human beings say, all right, I am going to make the most of this, and I'm going to survive it, and here's how I'm going to do it.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they do. Menachem Begum was in solitary confinement for a very long time. And bad, like dirt floor rats, that sort of thing. And he said, in many ways, was the happiest he ever was in his life in that he. And he was focusing on. On God and positive attitudes and everything like that. Interesting.

[Guest or Caller]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

That is interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nothing is either good or bad. It's just thinking that makes it so. And, you know, I've been in that situation where I have to stop myself. Here's my example I use all the time because I love it. One time we're going into San Francisco to work. This was years ago. I rode my motorcycle into San Francisco, and for whatever reason, I was in a really bad, negative mood. And I'm driving across the bridge and I thought, for some reason it popped into my head, you're riding a really cool motorcycle into one of the greatest cities on earth to do a job you love, and you're in A bad mood and it's just like, what?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

How could you not be happy with your circumstance right at this moment?

[Joe Getty]

I would be tempted to say to Shakespeare, look, I get your premise. Nothing is good or bad. It's thinking that makes it so. I just stepped on a nail and I need your help with this. Let's see you learn to appreciate your feet or your skin when it's unpunctured.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm not buying it.

[Joe Getty]

Bard, you gotta do better than that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Think about all the times when you didn't have a hole in your foot.

[Joe Getty]

You've acquired the wisdom to avoid stepping on nails in the future. Still not buying it.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll finish strong. Next, Armstrong and Getty,

[Podcast Host]

This is Becca and Tanya from scrubbing in with Becca Tilly and Tanya. Rad.

[Becca (Scrubbing In Podcast)]

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Oh, so we're doing that today?

[Becca (Scrubbing In Podcast)]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I really been doing a deep dive on Hamlet lately, trying to really get that completely understood once and for all.

[Joe Getty]

Good man. Let us know when you figure it out. I wonder if we can get through this quickly enough that we'll have time for clip number 31 from Lindsey Graham's funeral. I kind of want to hear it, but but very quickly from the Dr. Fauci Rand Paul hearing earlier today, which we've been talking about. In his opening remarks, Paul called attention of Fauci's defense of gain of function research funded by the NIAID and the alleged concealment or destruction of federal records relating to the pandemic. An advisor to Fauci, David Morens, was indicted by federal prosecutors in May for concealing and destroying federal records. Not reported at all. It is a crime to destroy federal records, he reminded the witness. Yet our investigation reveals your assistant diligently reported that she deleted tons of emails in 2024. You testified that you did not delete federal records. Who's telling the truth? You are your assistant. So you know when it came to classified stuff in Trump's house, the media was feverish with curiosity about that. Not so much now. Another quick note apropos of nothing the free press making point that and I remember when I drove across country the last time the number one billboard buyer in America, and it's not even close is Personal injury attorneys. Right. And the vast, vast majority of their money is made on car wrecks. The trial lawyers associations are foaming at the mouth against self driving cars.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course they are.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So a lot of stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Business. It's like 60 of their business.

[Jack Armstrong]

Did you see that headline about Waymo that was everywhere yesterday about Waymo getting in a wreck again, and it was somebody who hit somebody, then swerved into the other lane and hit a Waymo.

[Joe Getty]

Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Waymo wasn't the cause of it at all. It was the sort of wreck we could all get into if somebody else ran into us.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the headline was Waymo and another injury related wreck.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. All right, Michael, do we have room for clip 31? The President at Lindsey Graham's funeral.

[Michael (Producer or Crew)]

He was a force of nature, and I will miss him greatly. As you remember, Lindsey and I did not exactly get off to the best of starts running against each other. Back in 2016, Lindsey said something rather nasty on his flight to becoming the next President of the United States. So naturally, I did something that I shouldn't have done. I shared his personal cell phone number with the millions of people that happened to be watching that particular day as I made a speech, a very important speech, and I remember the number. 202-228-0292. If anybody wants to give it a shot. His phone exploded. He said, I had that number for 20 years. His phone, totally. I don't know what he did with it, but it exploded. That was the beginning of a friendship, in a way. But it was Lindsay who had the last laugh. Because while I blew up his phone, all for one day, we became great friends. And Lindsay did not stop calling me for the next 10 years. It was not easy.

[Joe Getty]

That's a charming story.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is a charming story. I also like Trump telling a story of him and Lindsey Graham meeting the Dalai Lama. And Lindsey Graham asked the Dalai Lama, can you actually levitate?

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[Joe Getty]

Wow, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

That was a pretty heavyweight funeral, man.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Oh, it was. Absolutely. How about Zielinski and Netanyahu being there? They knew they lost a friend.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah.

[Rand Paul (Senator)]

I say final, you say thoughts.

[Tony Ayo (Boost Mobile Advertiser)]

Final.

[Joe Getty]

Final thoughts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day. There he is, Michelangelo, pressing the buttons to lead us off. Michael, talk to us. I got to think about that phrase. Nothing is good or bad. It's just your thinking. I got to apply that to my life.

[Michael (Producer or Crew)]

Life.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gotta work on that. It's true. In Many, many cases.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Might take a minute, but. Yeah. Jack, a final thought for us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll keep going with that. With my final thought. You can at the very least have a better attitude about everything and sometimes a completely positive attitude when you've decided on a negative attitude. Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about me, not you.

[Rand Paul (Senator)]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I find myself thinking about Lindsey Graham and life and death and having a sense of humor and all sorts of things and oh, how do I sum it up? Anthony Fauci should be in jail there. There we go.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lindsey Graham was definitely one of those people that is a Christian. Maybe he was doing as Jesus taught where life like a loose fitting suit of clothes. You know, you keep plowing forward with what you're trying to accomplish. And sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You keep plowing forward.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Remember we talked about this many years ago. It's a weird sort of selfishness in a way. I could yell at that person or make a big deal over this, but it doesn't really serve me. My best interests are to let them be a jerk. And I think that was Lindsay's philosophy. It's like, that's not gonna help me to get into it with him. Let's move on.

[Jack Armstrong]

May Anthony Fauci forget to look left before he steps up a curb. Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

So many people to thank, so many functions to gain. Go to armstrong getty.com drop us a note. What do you think of what happened today? What we talked about. [e-mail] Keep them concise if you can.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we'll have a lot more stuff for you tomorrow. God bless America.

[Guest or Caller]

Armstrong and Getty went straight through my heart and both my lungs.

[Joe Getty]

There are whales who would hear his voice and say, wow, that's a low voice. Grizzly bears are like, wow, did you hear that guy? Okay, so one more thing from the Fauci hearing that I came down through both testes, up through my stomach. Boy, that's not what it's. U turned and came back through the other nipple.

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