Grow Some Testicles, Man!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand Episode: “Grow Some Testicles, Man!” (September 15, 2025)

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode centers around the recent firing of several individuals who publicly expressed joy over the murder of Charlie Kirk, a polarizing political figure. Armstrong & Getty probe the boundaries of free speech, “cancel culture,” and personal responsibility in the age of social media. They contrast the current firings based on extremist, celebratory speech with cases where workers were dismissed for holding mainstream, albeit controversial, opinions (like “all lives matter”). The hosts also touch on societal tribalism, social media’s toxic amplification effect, and lighter fare about neighborly behavior.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Charlie Kirk Incident and Social Media Fallout

• The podcast opens after a series of ads with the hosts referring to the recent firing of numerous individuals for “gleeful comments about the brutal murder of a young man, Charlie Kirk.” (04:30)
• Employers terminated these employees after screenshots of their social media comments were shared.
• Discussion: Is this a form of “cancel culture,” or fundamentally different because it involves celebrating violence?
  • Jack Armstrong: “If I'm an employer…I can't believe you're so stupid, you post something like that with your name attached. Anybody that's stupid, I don't want working for me.” (05:39)
  • Joe Getty: Offers a counterpoint, exploring the nuanced difference between expressing an unpopular opinion and celebrating violence.
• The first case study is a Microsoft DEI department lead, who admitted posting nasty comments and, though not fully repentant, resented being fired.
  • Joe Getty: “Interesting that he was repentant, then admitted not the least bit repentant.” (07:18)
  • Clip from fired employee: “You take my job…my security…my money, my life, my food off my plate because I don't like Charlie Kirk? That's not okay…it is not okay…grow some testicles, man, because I felt joy that day. I can't help how I feel.” (07:56)

2. Cancel Culture: Is This the Same Thing?

• The show examines whether these firings are equivalent to examples from the left, where people were dismissed for views like “all lives matter.”
  • Joe Getty: “The idea that I'm gleeful over the murder of a young man…and now his children will not know their father—yeah, I don't want to work next to you…It's vastly different than saying, 'I believe there are two sexes.'” (10:20)
• Armstrong & Getty argue that the difference is between speech expressing a mainstream (if disfavored) political belief, and speech expressing joy at a political murder—framing the former as protected, and the latter as sick and firing-worthy.
  • Jack Armstrong: “People were fired even when…they just meant 'I don't think anybody should be killed by the police.'” (12:02)
  • Joe Getty: “It’s a different phenomenon…The result may look really similar. I would argue it is different.” (12:28)
• They read a listener email calling for free speech protections even for “brainwashed lefties” expressing vile opinions, yet stand by personal responsibility for speech.

3. Social Media Amplification, Tribalism, and Political Violence

• Discussion covers the unique dangers social media brings, amplifying the most extreme opinions and degrading civil discourse.
• Reports about the FBI investigating accounts that seemed to have foreknowledge—or to predict—the date of Kirk’s murder.
  • Joe Getty: “Posts…appeared to indicate foreknowledge of the assassination…mention the conservative activist by name, fantasize about his death…‘It’d be funny if someone like Charlie Kirk got shot on September 10th. LMAO’ posted on September 3rd." (31:09)
  • The hosts stress that if such posts are real, it suggests a serious conspiracy; if fake, it's still a tragedy of online culture.
  • They lament even wishing violence on political opponents: “If you're listening right now, and you would be happy if somebody on the left got gunned down, you're wrong…that's the end of the country if we start embracing that.” (36:50)
• The difficulty in breaking out of blame cycles between political tribes: “Both sides think the other side is worse than we are. But we'll never get out of this if we do that.” (16:17)
• Armstrong & Getty reference social media’s amplification of fringe voices as toxic for democracy:
  • Jack Armstrong: “We only hear the craziest ones…It may not work. This may not work.” (49:40)

4. Case Study: The Meltdown of ‘Angry Skirt Guy’

• Armstrong & Getty play a viral clip of a man (dubbed “Angry Skirt Guy”) reacting melodramatically after being fired for celebrating Kirk’s murder.
  • Clip: “I was just fired from my job. I was just fired from my job. Now I have nothing but this. I have nothing anymore…” (45:26-45:43)
  • The hosts mock both the over-the-top reaction and the practice of filming meltdowns for the internet.
  • They see this as representative of a “sickness” unique to the hyper-online left, but note a “whiny streak” can sometimes appear on the right too. (46:43)

5. Lighter Fare: Neighborly Guilt over Donut Gifting

• Jack shares a lighter, self-deprecating story: he gives his new neighbor leftover donuts as a “gift,” then feels guilty for not being truly generous.
  • Jack Armstrong: “The problem is he thinks I’m better than I am. See, that’s where I feel guilty…Maybe I should aspire to be the person I’m pretending to be.” (25:02-25:14)
  • This leads to friendly ribbing and jokes about modern standards for neighborliness and honesty.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On firing for celebrating violence:
  • “You're a tired human being. That's mean. That's what I think of you.” — Jack Armstrong (08:18)
  • “Glee that a young man was shot in the throat for politics…now his children will not know their father. Yeah, I don't want to work next to you.” — Joe Getty (08:40)
• On Cancel Culture vs. Public Decency:
  • “The difference between the cancel culture of the left and these people losing their jobs… the idea that I'm gleeful over the murder…was sick 50 years ago. It was sick 20 years ago. It will be sick, I pray to God, 25 years from now.” — Joe Getty (10:20)
• On Social Media Outrage:
  • “What is the mindset of filming these meltdowns and posting them for the world? It's its own sickness that we've got.” — Commercial Announcer/Katie (46:16)
• On neighborly gestures:
  • “I was basically getting rid of leftovers…you think I drove to the donut shop specially…No, I just didn’t want the donuts in my house.” — Jack Armstrong (21:45-22:55)
• On the future of the country:
  • “If you're listening right now, and you would be happy if somebody on the left got gunned down, you're wrong. You couldn't be more wrong. That's the end of the country if we start embracing that.” — Jack Armstrong (36:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Cancel culture and the Kirk murder firings: 04:30 – 12:28
• Listener email on free speech: 12:28 – 13:58
• Social media, FBI investigation, and conspiracy speculation: 30:48 – 37:14
• Lighter segment: Donut gifting & neighbor guilt: 20:39 – 25:19
• 'Angry Skirt Guy' meltdown and analysis: 45:24 – 47:13
• Discussion on the dangers of social media amplification: 49:00 – 49:49

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Original Tone Preserved

Armstrong & Getty maintain their usual blend of pointed sarcasm, banter, earnest moralizing, and cultural commentary throughout. The tone is irreverent and critical, but also reflective, particularly regarding the dangers of political tribalism and the erosion of civil norms online.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This show offers a candid, often brash discussion of the consequences of expressing extreme views online, the limits of free speech in the workplace, and the tribal, performative nature of modern internet culture. It’s both a critique of current trends and, in lighter moments, a look into the hosts' everyday dilemmas around honesty and decency.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio.

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[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Yeti. I was just fired from my job. So I've lost my job.

[Joe Getty]

I got called into the office yesterday and told me that they could either.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fire me or I could put a resignation in and. But that would look better. But they fired me or they're getting rid of me because of my.

[Joe Getty]

Because of my tick tock.

[Jack Armstrong]

Somebody screenshotted screenshot all of a lot.

[Joe Getty]

Of my tick tocks.

[Jack Armstrong]

You sound like a genius.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. It'll be a real loss to the organization, so. As well.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's mean.

[Joe Getty]

As we'll become more clear in the clips we're about to play, you. These people were among the quite a few, and nobody knows how many, but quite a few people who posted gleeful comments about the brutal murder of a young man, Charlie Kirk. And they're. Well, they. The. The presence of those online comments were collected by people who were horrified by them and provided to those people's employers, many of whom said, that's horrifying. Good God, I don't want anybody working here who would do that. The question before us in a minute will be, is this the right engaging in quote, unquote, cancel culture like the left did? If you said I think all lives matter or that sort of thing, my.

[Jack Armstrong]

First blush response is, yes, your first.

[Joe Getty]

Blush response is wrong. But we will discuss with an open mind and heart.

[Jack Armstrong]

If I'm an employer, I'm not getting rid of someone like that because of their point of view. I'm getting rid of them because I can't believe you're so stupid. You post something like that with your name attached. Yeah, Anybody that's stupid. I don't want working for Me. That's what would bother me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, like, that's not a bad angle. So another. We've divided this into two cuts. We can pause after halfway through and discuss. This is Microsoft guy. He is bearded, bald of head, and has a prominent nose ring. Just to get a visual.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

White feller, not a bad looking guy. Roll on. Michael 46. I made some stupid comments about Charlie Kirk on the day that he was shot. I said some things on Blue sky.

[Jack Armstrong]

And on threads that I. I'm sorry.

[Joe Getty]

Not sorry for, but I said them.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I deleted them when it was requested that I do so by my employer. And then today, on a weekend.

[Joe Getty]

On a weekend, I'm told that I am no longer employed at Microsoft.

[Jack Armstrong]

After six years building the diversity, equity and.

[Joe Getty]

Inclusion department from scratch.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so you built the DEI department from scratch.

[Joe Getty]

From scratch. The fact that it was on a weekend.

[Jack Armstrong]

On a weekend. In six years I've been here a.

[Joe Getty]

Weekend, I've been fired on a Tuesday. That was bad, too. Anyway, interesting that he was repentant, then admitted not the least bit repentant.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Roll on. I lose my job because one of you. Some random person reports my posts to my employer, goes out of their way.

[Jack Armstrong]

To find out where I work, and takes my job, takes my security away from me for a thought, for an opinion. And you talk about freedom of speech like you care about it. And you're just gonna take my. My money, my life, my food off my plate because I don't like Charlie Kirk? That's not okay. It is not okay to turn some testicles, man, because I felt joy that day. I can't help how I feel.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

I felt joy. You're a tiring human being. That's me. That's what I believe. All right? That's what I think of Aviam. I can't help that.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I can't help that I won't want you working for me. I don't deserve a job, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yes. Yeah, that's right. So, which brings me to my main argument.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

I know. What a long day he was. That's how I feel. Glee that a young man was shot in the throat for politics. Ripped out over politics, and now his children will not know their father.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't want to work next to you.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, you're a sick f. It is not okay to target me because I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Felt joy that day. I can't help how I feel. What is the weird thought process by anybody who posts this stuff? Like, I. Hey, I only met My post to reach people who agree with me completely.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

But I wanted confirmation from my crowd. I didn't think anybody else would see it. I mean, what is your thinking?

[Joe Getty]

So I'm thinking of a couple of progressive politicians who I absolutely loathe. I mean, I loathe them. They're America haters. I believe they are intent on spreading a sick totalitarian ideology in this country as quickly as they can. If somebody were to shotgun one of them and rip their guts out. And I was like, yes, unless my soul was completely dead, what I would be blubbering about is, oh my God, what have I become?

[Jack Armstrong]

Not.

[Joe Getty]

Those are my feelings.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't help that.

[Joe Getty]

So, all right, here's my argument, and I realize the. It's not a weakness exactly, but it needs backup. The difference between the cancel culture of the left and these people losing their jobs. And we've got one more bonus clip for entertainment's sake coming up in just a moment. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Same. Same weirdo dude or different person?

[Joe Getty]

Different dude. Okay, Made that dude look sober minded. Anyway, here is the difference. Many, many people lost their jobs for expressing mainstream, traditional views that could easily be justified or explained as long time excess accepted mainstream views. Now, the left, the far left, the, the neo Marxists would say, well, that's because it's a white supremacy society and all of our, you know, the language is all oriented toward backing up white supremacy and you're helping oppress people. Well, those people are wrong and they're maniacs and they're revolutionaries, and that's an argument we'll be having for the rest of our lives. The idea that I'm gleeful over the murder of a young man and I'm willing to say so publicly, is sick. It was sick 50 years ago. It was sick 20 years ago. It will be sick. I pray to God 25 years from now. It is vastly different than saying, you know, I'm sorry. I believe there are two sexes and only two sexes, and people were fired and hounded out of their jobs for that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, the All Lives Matter one is the best example since we know people personally who were fired for saying, I think all lives matter.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not knowing that that was a alleged Twitter code. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

A code for I reject the Black Lives Matter organization and movement.

[Jack Armstrong]

And these people were fired even when it was brought to their attention that that was some sort of code. You weren't supposed to say. And then they'd say, oh, I didn't. I just meant I don't think anybody should be killed by the police.

[Joe Getty]

Right. In fact, I threw away some Black.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lives Matter, but that wasn't good enough. You still got fired. Yeah, that is, that is a different thing.

[Joe Getty]

Because of the relentless pressure and hate brought on these companies by an organized movement of the left. As opposed to saying, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll. Jimmy the intern. We don't have Jimmy the Intern. But somebody saying, hey, you know, Jimmy the intern was online celebrating this horror and us being, oh my God, no, you can't work here anymore. It's a very different phenomenon. The result may look really similar. I would argue it is different. Got this note from D.H. in San Diego last week. Praised Bernie Sanders for calling out his own side as a free speech absolutist. I have to call out my side for the rash of pundits cheering the firing of teachers, firefighters and others that said they were happy Charlie Kirk was shot. Voltaire told us even speech we disagree with must be fought for. Firing a brainwashed lefty is not what Charlie would have wanted. Maybe just make a fun of them in a short video. You know, my only argue with you, and I sure appreciate your point of view, DH is that, let's see, what was the part that I. Oh, that free speech is absolutely like one of my most cherished principles. But you have to take responsibility for your speech and I will take responsibility till the cows come home for saying there are only two sexes. Now you go ahead with why you were happy a man got his throat ripped out in public.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I've got a piece that was written by a lefty about how blue sky is awful and how cancel culture worked until it didn't. And we need to move away from that. That I thought was really interesting. So we'll probably get to that later. Re bring up the whole conversation. I don't know how many of you, if you were looking at the NFL weekend, had put your money on Travis Kelsey socks. Oh, but that might have been a good direction to go with your prize picks. Next time maybe you can edge toward. I mean, I don't know if there's a line on does Travis Kelsey suck or not? Because the answer is yes.

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Obviously, Taylor Swift's husband does not. Future husband does not suck, but he did let a ball bounce off his chest that led to the Chiefs losing yesterday in a crucial moment. Absolutely. I mean, in the end zone would have been a touchdown anyway. There's that. And the touch push is boring. That's why they need to get rid of it. It's just boring. Yes, it's just really boring. Football and as a TV show, you got to make it more exciting.

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[Jack Armstrong]

That is agreed. Which happened again yesterday. Anyhow, what are your thoughts on this whole thing? I'm gonna try to stick with this as long as I can. As long as. As long as both sides go with. Yeah, but the other side did it. They're worse than we are. Both sides think the other side is worse than we are. But just one. We'll never get out of this if we do that.

[Joe Getty]

Ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Even if in our case we're right.

[Joe Getty]

But what's the choice? To lay down your arms. That's what I don't get.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you have to get both sides. Well, that's the way laying down your arms works. You have to get both sides to do it together.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

You have to have leaders on both sides say, okay, we're enough of this. We're not doing this anymore.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, we got more what's wrong with the World coming up. But first I need a ruling on whether or not this is okay. What I did last night. So we have new neighbors in our neighborhood, just moved in this weekend. I live in a cul de sac, and I mentioned the big cul de sac barbecue we had a week or so ago where we all got together. Everybody's lived there for many years, and I'll know each other. And now I'm new, and now I know them. We got a new one, nice cohesion.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

House right next to me. So they moved in. So yesterday my son went to the donut shop a couple blocks away and happened to get there right at closing, and they gave him a whole bunch of donuts because they were closed.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Like, you need those.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, he had boxes of donuts, so he brought those home and we had one big box of donuts left. And so Henry wanted to eat another donut last night. My youngest, and he'd already had one. I said, no, we don't want to. I wanted to eat one too. I said, we got to get these out of here. I said, I'm gonna go give them to the neighbors as a. As a welcome to the neighborhood gift.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So I, I took the box of donuts over there, knocked on the door, and guy comes there and I said, hey, I'm your neighbor Jack, and everything like that. Just wanted to introduce myself. And I got you A little, you know, welcome to the neighborhood gift. He said, oh, that's fantastic. Thank you very much. And then as he closed the door, he said, hey, honey, our neighbor's really nice. He got.

[Joe Getty]

Am I nice?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the question. Am I nice? For. I just didn't want the donuts in my house because I'm gonna eat them. I was gonna eat one. Henry was gonna eat one. I'm basically getting rid of leftovers.

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You easily could have thrown them away.

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[Joe Getty]

Who was he doing that for, really? Katie?

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Well, now, until that neighbor goes to that same donut shop near closing and gets a copious amount of donuts and goes, wait a minute.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it is, as I think it through, it is a different thing. Me thinking, oh, we have a new neighbor. I get in my car, I drive to the donut shop, I buy with my money a box of donuts, bring it home with the only intention of giving it to them as a gift.

[Joe Getty]

That was the unspoken implication.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is what I imply.

[Joe Getty]

That was the shadow narrative.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is what I implied. I should have been honest. I should have said, we have leftover donuts. Would you like some?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, that's no good.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've touched them all. We've fingered them all. As we were getting to the one, we wanted to turn them over, looked.

[Joe Getty]

At them, put them back in the.

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Box, flips one of them over, there's a bite out of one of them. I think you're safe. That was kind.

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[Jack Armstrong]

But I. It's funny.

[Joe Getty]

I walked away from there.

[Jack Armstrong]

There was something about the fact that he. Hey, honey, I met the new neighbor. He's really nice. If he hadn't said that right, I think I'd have walked away scot free. The fact that he said that. Because now she thinks I'm the kind of guy that goes to the store to buy a gift for my neighbors.

[Joe Getty]

Yell, set her straight.

[Jack Armstrong]

Soon enough, she'll figure out who I am.

[Joe Getty]

You know what I loved the most is he went with the maneuver. One of my very best friends, and he's made me laugh at least 50 times. Doing that every time we interact with somebody and the person turns and walks away, he'll say, great guy. Just loud enough to be heard.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's pretty good.

[Joe Getty]

Like, every time. It always makes me laugh. And maybe that's your neighbor. Hey, what a great guy I just met. Click. Honey. I mean, he knows what he's doing. He trumped your phoniness.

[Jack Armstrong]

With his as I told the story I think yeah. I can't get an. You can't give me an A for that because to his duplicitous so I get a solid C. A C is not very good.

[Joe Getty]

Not these days. Not an old school C. We they were a great inflation these days Katie. But you you thought oh we have a new neighbor. This would be a welcoming gesture.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't that I want to get rid of my cast offs.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. Used food. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just give him your leftovers from now on. Yeah. I got a plate here of half eaten mashed potatoes. You want this or just drag your.

[Joe Getty]

Trash can over there? Say anything in here you want. Take a look. No no. You.

[Jack Armstrong]

You get.

[Joe Getty]

You get partial credit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Partial credit for being a good neighbor.

[Joe Getty]

Neighborliness. I give it.

[Jack Armstrong]

The problem is. The problem is he thinks I'm better than I am. See, that's where I feel guilty.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe you should be that person.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Maybe I should aspire to be the pretend the person I'm pretending to be.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Put that on a bumper sticker.

[Joe Getty]

This segment brought to you by the Lutheran church or somebody or other. It sounds like that sort of uplifting segment.

[Jack Armstrong]

It really does. Okay. I'll be interested in what you think on the text line. 415295KFTC. Trump made a big announcement about TikTok Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Sophia Bush]

Is changing and so is the world.

[Joe Getty]

But what's happening in America isn't just the cause of global upheaval. It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.

[Sophia Bush]

I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm.

[Joe Getty]

Tristan Redman in London and this is the Global Story.

[Sophia Bush]

Every weekday we'll bring you a story from this intersection where the world and America meet.

[Joe Getty]

Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Multiple teams and sports fans honoring Charlie Kirk with touching tributes over the weekend. Organizations across the NFL yesterday honoring Kirk, including this emotional moment from the New York jets game.

[Joe Getty]

In total, at least a dozen NFL.

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[Joe Getty]

Kirk this weekend, including this moment of.

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Silence from the Dallas Cowboys in Charlie's.

[Joe Getty]

Home state of Arizona. The Cardinals holding a moment of silence.

[Jack Armstrong]

As well before their game, as did the Carolina Panthers ahead of theirs. So a dozen NFL teams did something and lots of college teams across the country. The Emmys didn't mention it at all last night.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And as I mentioned, the first person they had on the Emmys was Stephen Colbert, who walked out to a standing ovation for being the guy who stood up to the Trump Organization and got fired for it. So just, you know, the tribalism we have, son. That's what's. That's what's taken us down, people. I don't know how to break out of it. I don't know if there's any breaking out of it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. I just, I sympathize with your point of view, but it feels like yelling, I'm against bar fights as you're being slugged in the face. So I don't know what to do about it either. Oh, coming up. I forgot. Or we ran out of time to pay off my promise that we have one more person who lost their job for posting glee over Charlie Kirk's murder. Audio of their. Their online posts. Very entertaining. Coming up, the FBI is investigating social media posts by at least seven different accounts that appeared to indicate foreknowledge of the assassination of Mr. Kirk, according to three people familiar with the investigation and screenshots obtained by the Washington Free Beacon. The posts, one of which referenced the date of Kirk's assassination, September 10, more than a month before it took place, were all deleted in the days following killing several of the accounts.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Several of the accounts appear to belong to transgender individuals and at least one of them followed suspect Tyler Robinson's roommate, with whom Robinson was allegedly in a relationship on TikTok. So this is not just anonymous Internet geeks. The FBI has received archived copies of the post. According to a person who flagged him for the agency, screenshots have been circulating but had not previously been authenticated. While the posts do not establish that any of the individuals knew or conspired with Robinson, the 22 year old gunman who allegedly shot Kirk, several of them mention the conservative activist by name, fantasize about his death. It'd be funny if someone like Charlie Kirk got shot on September 10th. LMAO posted one on September 3rd.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now if that's real, that's impossible to explain.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the absolute authentication of them I'm reading, rereading the way they phrased it, the fact that the FBI is investigating them I believe to be absolutely substantiated. Whether they turn out to be 100% legit or not or relevant is open a question. Although there's an indication here that, yeah, these are legitimate screenshots of accounts. Well, I heard, and I'll hit you with a couple more, but go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

Charlie Kirk was on Bill Maher's basement show four months ago and where they sat there, talked for like an hour and a half, just Bill Maher and Charlie Kirk. Really good conversation. I mean, the exact sort of thing you want to be able to have two smart guys having a civil conversation about lots of issues that couldn't disagree more, but just, you know, yucking it up and we'll agree to disagree. You know, that sort of tone.

[Joe Getty]

But both.

[Jack Armstrong]

It started with both of them talking about have to. How they have to have security and for saying what they say, which is obviously horrifying in. In retrospect. But my point is there are a lot of people. Charlie Kirk. There's lots of tape out there. Charlie Kirk talking about all the people that want to kill him. So to be able to find posts where people wanted him dead is not surprising. You know, naming the particular day, obviously, is something.

[Joe Getty]

Another account posted on August 6, more than a month before the shooting, that September 10 will be a very interesting day. After Kirk's assassination. The account followed up I plead the fifth. The morbid quip was reposted by an account named Gobbledygook, who appears to follow Robinson's roommate on TikTok.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's. This is pretty easy one. Those posts are either real and this is huge, or they're not real. But there's no way they're real and it's not huge, correct? Yeah. I mean, because if they're real, well, there was a conspiracy with multiple people involved.

[Joe Getty]

Minutes, is this the same account?

[Jack Armstrong]

And then you've got to add in what we were talking about earlier, the fact that that somebody asks a transgender question, he gets shot in the neck. I mean, that seems less like a coincidence if these posts turn out to be real, right?

[Joe Getty]

These screen names are so funky. Yeah. All right, so the morbid quip was reposted. Oh, the quip about September 10th will be a very interesting day. Was reposted by an account named Cherbom, blah, blah, blah, who follows Robinson's roommate. All right, scrolling down now. Minutes after Kirk was pronounced dead, Cherbom posted on X, we effing did it. Commenting on a post that Charlie Kirk has died at age 31. So somebody reposted September 10th is going to be a really interesting day. Then tweeted, we effing did it. Several of the accounts under investigation appear to be associated with LGBT subcultures.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you seen any media coverage? Have they talked to the person who made who asked the trans question? Surely they have.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not aware of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

They have to have talked to him, the media or somebody.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, you would think.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because that person would almost have to be in on it. If, you know, all of this comes together, they ask a question. They were the first question they got up front so they could yell that question. Surely that person's been spoken to already.

[Joe Getty]

Another user who had. Who tweeted, charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow. I really hope someone evaporates him literally. Then, in a separate post, let's just say something big will happen tomorrow. They identify as non binary on X Man.

[Jack Armstrong]

Even if. Even if you had nothing to do with an assassination plot and all you're doing is somebody I don't like politically is coming to my town, I sure hope somebody kills them. What is wrong with you people?

[Joe Getty]

And finally, in a video posted on TikTok the night before the shooting, an individual appears to be transgender wrote that Charles James Kirk does not know what's coming tomorrow. Be ready. This isn't a threat. It's a promise.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, these are either not real or this is a giant dang story that we'll be talking about a lot as soon as it's nailed down.

[Joe Getty]

Final note, the investigation of the Post comes as the FBI is already examining whether pro transgender groups knew about Robinson's plan in advance. That probe, first reported by the New York Post, includes armed queers slc whose logo features high caliber rifle bullets. Wow. Okay. The investigation is ongoing. We will bring you details as they become clear.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is, maybe I need to just focus on this base line of. We need to get the word out to everyone, all sides. And if you're listening right now, and you would be happy if somebody on the left got gunned down, you're wrong. You are wrong. You couldn't be more wrong. That's the end of the country if we start embracing that.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Because what will end it? Either we slaughter enough of theirs that they're silenced. Please. You want to do that? We're not friends. Or at some point, somebody decides, hey, all this bloodlining has got to end. We've got to have a truce. Well, why don't we just have the truce now?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway. But if you have to explain that to somebody, their soul might be too dead. I don't know. A word from her friends at Trust and will. Get the peace of mind, you know you want. You know you need to do this. You just haven't gotten around to it. Get security and peace of mind by making an estate plan now.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Wouldn't be shocking at all. Maybe you've heard this story already. Is too smart for his own good, as is often the case with these people. Is really tested really, really, really high. Very smart guy. A lot of brain power which often gets you in trouble.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I saw one video that his family posted online about him reading a scholarship letter and a Twitter account. That's very reasonable and smart and nonpartisan. The guy behind it said, is anybody else getting neurodivergent vibes from this meaning autism spectrum, that sort of thing. And the answer is yes. I think we just would have called him a misfit back in the day, but yeah, yeah, a trouble didn't quite fit in society. Guy found unequivocal support online in a certain community and it led him down a path he never should have gone down. I mean that's, that's not exactly a new story.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. You got another fun clip for us from somebody who got canceled.

[Joe Getty]

Nothing more fun than somebody getting that. I wouldn't use the term canceled. They lost the job for expressing something horrific online.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

It's a subtle difference, but a significant one. This guy is either wearing a short skirt or short shorts. It's difficult to tell from the video, but is. It's clip 48, Michael. Let's just call him angry skirt guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Doing it here or are we doing when we come back.

[Joe Getty]

I was teasing. We'll do it when we come back here. Here Here it comes.

[Jack Armstrong]

In a minute, Elon bought a billion dollars worth of Tesla stock. Tesla is soaring on that news. We can look into that among other.

[Joe Getty]

Things on the way, Armstrong and Getty.

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[Sophia Bush]

So is the world.

[Joe Getty]

But what's happening in America isn't just the cause of global upheaval.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's also a symptom of disruption.

[Joe Getty]

That's happening everywhere.

[Sophia Bush]

I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C. i'm.

[Joe Getty]

Tristan Redman in London and this is the Global Story.

[Sophia Bush]

Every weekday we'll bring you a story from this intersection where the world and America meet.

[Joe Getty]

Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Boy, if you like the NFL and you wanted something different, it looks like the reign of the Kansas City Chiefs is over. After getting all the lucky breaks last year, the lucky breaks have gone away and they have started 0 and 2 in last place in a tough division. So.

[Joe Getty]

Huh, Parody they call it. Every team starts this season with a chance to win it all. And the mighty often fall. Although the Eagles look pretty good. Anyway, we were talking earlier this hour, fascinating discussion. If you missed it, grab Podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand about people losing their jobs because their employers become aware that they posted Glee over the murder of Charlie Cook online. And is that Cancel Culture? Is that something different? And I'm sure we'll continue talking about that. And and speaking of which, Governor Cox of Utah made another great little speech on Meet the Press yesterday. We'll play some of that next hour, but I promised you a super bonus person who lost their job just for the entertainment value. Ladies and gentlemen, a man in a skirt. It's Angry Skirt guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fired from my job.

[Joe Getty]

I was just fired from my job.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was just fired from my job. I was just fired from my job. I was just fired from my job.

[Joe Getty]

Now I have nothing but this. I have nothing but this website. I have nothing anymore. I have nothing. I have nothing anymore. I have nothing anymore.

[Commercial Announcer]

I have nothing anymore.

[Joe Getty]

I have nothing anymore. G Jim, calm down.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who wouldn't want you in their workplace?

[Joe Getty]

Hard to believe they had a job, right? And and managed to keep their I'm completely badass nuts nature from from the Aram.

[Jack Armstrong]

What was your job? Throwing a fit like a toddler. Was that your job? You can get paid for that. Yes. Katie.

[Commercial Announcer]

What? Also, what is the mindset of filming these meltdowns and posting them for the world?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's its tone. It's its own sickness that we've got. And that definitely is a thing of the left. The I need to freak out emotionally on camera and post for it to be real or have significance. It's a weird, weird thing. I hope that's a phase we're gonna grow out of. God.

[Joe Getty]

Right? It's all interconnected. The whole underdogma thing, the whole if I'm a victim, I am elevated attitude. That's mostly of the left, but not entirely. There's definitely a whiny streak on the right too, at times. But, yeah, it's. It's all related in ways that I can't quite map.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, Katie.

[Commercial Announcer]

Also, by the way, the guy in that video is wearing shorts shorter than any pair that I own.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, so it wasn't. Yeah, yeah. Real cute little booty shorts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, I don't know if this is a political left or right or age thing or what, but. But, like, if I'm about to get emotional, most people I know, they're about to get emotional. You, like, you know, you want to go into another room.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, and keep it to yourself until you can compose yourself, let alone let me get my phone out so I can get this and then post it for everyone to see.

[Joe Getty]

For friends, family, strangers, people I'll never meet on the other side of the globe. Everyone must see me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's not hinged.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Part of it is cultural, you know, Part of it's hard times, tough people. Tough people are good times, soft people, blah, blah, blah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And part of that is. Part of it that. That a lot of the emotional stuff you would consider private. And then part of it is you want to be tough. You want to be. I can handle this situation. I'm still. I've got. I've got my faculties. I can still, you know, be a dad, be a work, be the things I've got to be. I'm going to keep it together here.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

As opposed to.

[Joe Getty]

Give me a minute and then we'll. We'll get on with this.

[Jack Armstrong]

As opposed to. I want to go the other direction and show you just how devastated I am by whatever the latest thing is.

[Joe Getty]

What were you before?

[Jack Armstrong]

I want to know what that person was employed doing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

I have nothing but this website that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sure six people enjoy.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my. Wow. Yeah. Humankind cannot endure the Internet and social media that might be.

[Jack Armstrong]

The bottom line is that we just are not going to be able to adjust to this. We're not designed to be able to know the thoughts of everybody in the village. And then just because of the way social media works, and you'll hear from this from the Utah governor next hour. When we play it, he's talking about the algorithm. So it's not even just hearing what the person on the other side of the village has to say. It's that it gets amplified over all other voices so you don't hear what your the two huts next to you say, which is completely normal and within the mainstream.

[Joe Getty]

Or the 50 huts next to you that are all normal and mainstream.

[Jack Armstrong]

You only hear the craziest ones, right? Hey, yeah. It may not work. This may not work.

[Joe Getty]

Do you believe in an almighty God? All seeing God. I can just picture the fruit he was thinking, all right, let's see. The Old Testament is written thousands of years ago. These people have no idea what the Internet is or social media. I'll just have to come up with a great metaphor. They'll call it the fruit of the tree and knowledge. I'm actually talking about social media, but. But it'll be a few thousand years. We'll see what they can do. Use picturing the silicon chip, the computer, the social media. Do we the thing we cannot handle.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do we know what that nut job posted just glee about Kirk dying?

[Joe Getty]

Don't know the specifics. No. The one fellow is fairly specific that he said he felt joy and posted.

[Jack Armstrong]

That your employer did not hear that ranting, screaming toddler fit person. Your employer did not hear that and think, well, there's an employee I need to hang on to.

[Joe Getty]

We've made a mist. Finally firing old Jim.

[Jack Armstrong]

Call him back.

[Joe Getty]

See if he'll come back with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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Ugh.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Is an I Heart podcast.