He Has A Very Low Voice For A Child!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand: "He Has A Very Low Voice For A Child!" Summary

Episode Overview In the April 2, 2025 episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand, hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into heated political debates surrounding gender in school sports, progressive ideology, and the intertwining of biology with political affiliation. The episode provides a critical analysis of recent legislative actions in California, explores the philosophical underpinnings of progressivism, and touches upon contemporary societal issues with characteristic wit and candor.

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1. California's Legislative Battle Over Gender in School Sports

[01:22 - 22:37]

The episode opens with a discussion on California's recent legislative attempts to restrict boys from participating in girls' sports at the high school level. Both proposed bills, AB89 and AB844, aimed to reinforce sex-segregated sports by biological sex rather than gender identity. However, both bills were swiftly rejected by the California Assembly with a significant margin.

Key Points:

• Assemblyman Josh Hoover's Insights: The hosts interview Josh Hoover, a California assemblyman, who provides firsthand accounts of the legislative hearings. He highlights the overwhelming support from student-athletes for the bills and the surprising resistance from fellow Democrats.

• Arguments Against the Bills:

  • Privacy Concerns: Opponents argued that enforcing sex-segregated sports would invade girls' privacy by necessitating inspections, a claim the hosts swiftly dismiss as unfounded.
  • Historical Precedence: The necessity of sex segregation in sports was questioned, with references to longstanding practices contradicting the notion that such measures were needed.
  • Hyperbolic Rhetoric: A notable argument equated the introduction of these bills to leading the U.S. towards "Nazi Germany," a comparison Armstrong and Getty vehemently disagree with.

Notable Quote:

Josh Hoover: "There were hundreds of amazing student athletes there in support of the bill... The Democratic super majority in the California legislature has decided to double down."

2. Critique of Progressive Ideology Through Ezra Klein's Perspective

[01:51 - 17:27]

The hosts pivot to a podcast discussion featuring Ezra Klein of The New York Times on Lex Friedman's show. They critique Klein's progressive viewpoints, particularly his stance on fairness and government intervention.

Key Points:

• Fairness and Government's Role: Klein posits that life is inherently unfair due to disparities in talent, birthplace, and family circumstances. He argues that the government's role should be to transform this unfairness into universal dignity, allowing individuals to flourish.

  Notable Quote:

  Ezra Klein: "We are born into different families. We have luck operating as an omnipresence across our entire lives. And as such, the people for whom it works out, well, we don't deserve all of that... The role of government should... rectify that unfairness into a kind of universal dignity."

• Skepticism of Capitalism: Klein expresses fundamental skepticism towards capitalism, especially its unchecked forms, advocating for regulations to mitigate exploitation and environmental harm.

• Hosts' Counterarguments: Armstrong and Getty argue that while recognizing life's inherent unfairness is valid, relying on government to rectify these issues could lead to overreach and totalitarianism. They question the practicality and potential negative consequences of such extensive government intervention.

  Notable Quote:

  Jack Armstrong: "A government empowered to right all of these picayune wrongs... would be so awesome and not in the modern world, like causing awe and horror, so powerful and monumentally huge, it would be terrifying."

3. The Intersection of Biology and Political Affiliation

[17:06 - 18:57]

The hosts discuss a study from Iowa State University which reveals that brain activity during food purchasing decisions can predict an individual's political affiliation with approximately 80% accuracy. This suggests a significant biological component to political ideology.

Key Points:

• Study Insights: The research indicates that different parts of the brain are activated when liberals and conservatives make purchasing decisions, highlighting a biological basis for political beliefs.

  Notable Quote:

  Jack Armstrong: "Data from your parents allows us to infer your political party with 69% accuracy... you can correctly classify your political party about 80% of the time [based on brain activity]."

• Implications: This finding raises questions about the nature vs. nurture debate in political ideology, suggesting that approximately half of one's political beliefs may be inherited.

4. The Use of Hyperbolic Rhetoric in Political Discourse

[23:00 - 35:21]

Armstrong and Getty critique the prevalent use of extreme comparisons, such as likening political opponents to Nazis, in modern discourse. They argue that such rhetoric diminishes meaningful debate and inflames divisions.

Key Points:

• Nazi Comparisons: The hosts express disdain for the frequent and often unfounded comparisons of political disagreements to Nazi ideology, viewing it as a tactic to delegitimize opposition.

  Notable Quote:

  Jack Armstrong: "It's sub-Hitlerian... The left is so brutally hypocritical and dishonest because they believe they're morally superior."

• Reductio ad Hitlerum: They reference the logical fallacy where opponents are reduced to similarities with Hitler's ideologies, arguing it's a disingenuous method to shut down conversations.

5. Additional News and Commentary

[22:37 - 37:23]

The final segment touches upon various news items and personal anecdotes, maintaining the hosts' characteristic humor and critical perspective.

Key Points:

• Val Kilmer's Passing: A brief homage to the late actor, noting his iconic role as Doc Holliday in Tombstone.

  Notable Quote:

  Joe Getty: "Val Kilmer has passed. Dead at 65."

• RFK Jr. and the White House: Discussion on RFK Jr.'s strained relationship with the White House due to communication issues within his agency, labeling him as a "loose cannon."

  Notable Quote:

  Jack Armstrong: "He is a loose cannon, half a nut, and he will not last in his job. That is my prediction."

• Free Speech and Political Labeling: The hosts advocate for an amendment to prohibit the use of extreme labels like "Nazi" in political discourse to preserve civil debate.

  Notable Quote:

  Joe Getty: "There has to be an amendment to the Constitution. No more calling people a Nazi."

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Conclusion In this episode, Armstrong and Getty provide a fervent critique of progressive policies and rhetoric, particularly focusing on the recent legislative efforts in California regarding gender in sports. They question the practicality and implications of extensive government intervention in rectifying life's inherent unfairness and challenge the use of extreme analogies in political discourse. Through engaging dialogue and sharp analysis, the hosts offer listeners a perspective that underscores the complexities and tensions within contemporary American politics.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ezra Klein on Fairness:

  “[03:26] ...the people for whom it works out, well, we don't deserve all of that...”

• Jack Armstrong on Government Overreach:

  “[07:08] ...government empowered to right all of these picayune wrongs...”

• Study on Biology and Politics:

  “[17:06] ...correctly classify your political party about 80% of the time.”

• Critique of Progressive Rhetoric:

  “[34:26] This is leading to Hitler's Germany...”

• Call for Free Speech Amendment:

  “[34:26] There has to be an amendment to the Constitution. No more calling people a Nazi.”

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the episode's primary discussions, providing listeners unfamiliar with the podcast a thorough understanding of the topics covered, the hosts' viewpoints, and the key insights shared throughout the episode.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

California took a look at two different bills to stop boys from playing in girls sports, particularly like at the high school level and that sort of thing. And they both got shot down yesterday. And we're going to talk to somebody who was there for the argument coming up later this hour.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's now more than an 8020 issue in America. The support for males in girl sports is less than 20%.

[Joe Getty]

I don't get the politics of this.

[Jack Armstrong]

No kidding.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, so I mentioned this last week and we never got around to it. I'm glad we are now and I'm looking forward to Joe's reaction to this. So this is Ezra Klein of the New York Times on Lex Friedman's podcast from a couple of weeks ago. And Lex Friedman's an interesting guy. If you'd never heard his podcast, first of all, they're all two to four hours long. I don't know who listens to those whole things, but he has people on of all different kinds of political stripes and worldviews and stuff like that. And he just wants to hear what they think. And he, and he opened with this great question for Ezra Klein of the New York Times who if you don't know his act. He is a columnist, writer, liberal, progressive. Not a bomb chucker though. That's just his, I mean, he's a really smart he's an intellectual, but he's a progressive. And. And Lex had him on to say the first question was, basically, lay out the progressive point of view or the Democrat point of view of the worldview. And I thought, okay, this is fantastic. I'm gonna hear this from a smart guy. And I thought, I am going to. I was listening to this podcast in my earbuds as I was, like, doing laundry or something like that. And I thought, I am going to, like, in a relaxed manner, listen to this, see if I can find any common ground, like, fully understand, you know, where they're coming from.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Not the cable news version, but, like, the intellectual version of how they see the world. And I didn't make it more than, like, 30 seconds before I said out loud in my bedroom, oh, you gotta be effing kidding me. So this is how it went.

[Ezra Klein]

You can define the left in different ways. I think the left has a couple fundamental views. One is that life is unfair. We are born with different talents. We are born into different nations.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Ezra Klein]

The luck of being born into America is very different than the luck of being born into Venezuela. We are born into different families. We have luck operating as an omnipresence across our entire lives. And as such, the people for whom it works out, well, we don't deserve all of that. We got lucky. I mean, we also worked hard and we also had talent, and we also applied that talent. But at a very fundamental level, that we are sitting here is unfair. And that so many other people are in conditions that are much worse, much more precarious, much more exploited is unfair. And one of the fundamental roles of government should. Should not necessarily be to turn that unfairness into perfect equality, but to rectify that unfairness into a kind of universal dignity, right? So people can have lives of flourishing. So I'd say that's one thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

He has a very low voice for a child. Yeah, I'll hold back for now. I see what you mean, though my eyes were wide.

[Joe Getty]

You don't deserve that. That's when I said in my bedroom, oh, you gotta be effing kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Well, and I want to hear the next part, obviously, but he kind of denied his own purpose there at the end. We're not trying to come up with some perfect equality.

[Joe Getty]

But, yeah, let's hear a little more and then we can discuss.

[Ezra Klein]

The left is fundamentally more skeptical of capitalism and particularly unchecked forms of capitalism, than the right. I also think this is hard to talk about because what we call unchecked capitalism is nevertheless Very much supported by government. So I think in a way you have both. Markets are things that are enforced by government. Whether they are how you set the rules of them is what ends up differing between the left and the right. But the left tends to be more worried about the fact that you could get rich building coal fired power plants, belching pollution into the air, and you could get rich laying down solar panels. And the market doesn't know the difference between the two. And so there's a set of goals about regulating the unchecked potential of capitalism that also relates to, of exploitation of workers. There's very fundamental questions about how much people get paid, how much power they have. Again, the rectification of economic and other forms of power is very fundamental to the left.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, so it reminded me, of course, when Obama said, you didn't build that, that attitude. And I thought, okay, that's Edward Klein just laying that out a little more clearly. I heard a podcast with this guy, he's got the most famous economics podcast in America. I can't remember what his name is, but anyway. And he's, he leans left, but he, his, his take on the whole. Okay, even if you got a situation where, where you like in the most blatant example, it's not fair that this person, you know, they're born with a better brain, their parents got them a tutorial, they had connections to get him into a better school, whatever it is, versus someone else. How is the government gonna weigh in to fix it? He said, even if I buy all the lack of fairness, in what sense could you structure a government that's gonna even that out, that doesn't do more harm than good?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, exactly. The last phrase is the key one. And it is interesting to me to hear somebody who's obviously fairly intelligent, like Ezra Klein, be so narrow in his vision, so incredibly unwise to not recognize that if you empower somebody. I was going to summarize his screed with as the following. I'm so smart, I, and people like me should be in charge of everything because we will make it good. But a guy who is reasonably intelligent to lack the wisdom to see that a government empowered to right all of these picayune wrongs or equalize somehow or other, even if not a perfect equality, but like getting us halfway there, that government would be so awesome and not in the modern word, like causing awe and horror, so powerful and monumentally huge, it would be terrifying. How do you miss that? As, oh no, we would just do the good things, not the bad stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Well, Right. And then the problem being that where do you draw the line between unfair advantages that people didn't earn and choices that you make? Because lots of people make really, really bad choices in life. I've made bad choices in life that damaged me a lot. And some people keep doing them. I don't dismiss the ideas. Like I haven't told my story about the Uber driver I had the other day. Maybe I'll do that for the podcast today. But I was thinking in that trip, which was really sketchy, that this poor guy is never going to be able to do very well in life. So I got a better brain than he did. That is unfair. That's not his fault. It's not my credit. But then you got all the life choices that people make. And I've seen so many smart people make horrible life choices. What is the government going to do to even out results there?

[Jack Armstrong]

And I've known the proverbial C student.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, absolutely.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I'm not going to go with the old trope that. But there are very street smart and blah, blah, blah. No, I've known some people who aren't very bright, but they make good, sound moral decision after decision and have benefited quite nicely from those decisions anyway.

[Joe Getty]

What makes a person, though, get up in the morning and want to pursue the idea of that person has more than that person. We need to get them closer together. What is that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and the means that they use to pursue that goal are often horrible from my point of view. I mean, if you have a charitable view of the world and you think I ought to do something to help those people, you have my full blessing until it becomes, and what I am going to do is, at the point of the government's gun, take money from people and compel them to do these things. Because that's the opposite of generosity. That's, that's, that's, you know, totalitarianism. I hate to even use the word fairness in any context in this because it's become such a cliche, rhetorical cliche of the left because people have an instinctive view of what fairness is from childhood on. That is everything should be fair. That's at least the ideal. Whereas, you know, being born with a better brain or a worse brain or taller, good looking or talented or whatever, that the difference among people is 100% fair. It's the very definition of fairness. Nothing has been done by anybody to pervert the natural unfolding of it. Nobody cheated anybody.

[Joe Getty]

Right. The Jefferson idea of just you go as far as your talent and effort will take you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Exactly. There could be nothing more fair than you get dealt a hand in life. And then you've got to go from there with the help of the people around you and the people who care about you and the government protecting your rights. That's why the government exists. And off you go. Read Harrison Bergeron, the Great Kurt Vonnegut short story if you don't have a lot of time. Read Thomas Sowell's Conflict of Visions if you have more about this sort of thing. But I hate, and it breaks my heart that, that my daughter is autistic and life will always be extremely difficult for her. I hate that. I adore her. But I wouldn't use the word unfair to describe that. It just is.

[Joe Getty]

I got kicked off of a jury before I made it. The only time I've ever made it this far to like actually get into the courtroom and they start, the lawyers start asking me questions. And the question that got me kicked out was looking back to the starting point of your life where you've end up now, is it more the circumstance you were born into or your life's choices? And I went with life's choices and that got me kicked off the jury. Yeah, that I think life's choices. Good vocal fry from Ezra Klein. I don't know why socialism goes with vocal fry. I don't know why those two things go together. But I still think life choices have more to do with it than where you were born, who you were born to, and brain power you have in term where you're going to ultimately end up. And he obviously does not believe that. And then even if you agree with Professor Klein, you're still at the point of how could the government fix that anyway? Well, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

So I'd like you to weigh in. You could email or you could text us on that whole thing. I get. I guess part of what drives me crazy is when I hear people do that screed they give. They don't even throw in a line about life choices and effort.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not even a line because it undermines their premise.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Ezra Klein]

Unfair Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wretched slugs.

[Joe Getty]

Don't any of you have the guts.

[Jack Armstrong]

To play for blood? I'm your huckleberry. That's just my game. All right, lunger. You go to hell. I'll put you out of your misery. Say wham.

[Josh Hoover]

Johnny, don't get up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get up. Don't mind him. He just drunk, that's all.

[Joe Getty]

Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday in Tombstone. One of the great roles in Western history, if not movie history, so far. Freaking good.

[Jack Armstrong]

He will be missed. Val Kilmer has passed.

[Joe Getty]

Dead at 65. Got cancer in his 40s.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Fighting it all those years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So we're listening to Ezra Klein describe, you know, progressivism and why he believes in it and what it is. And mentioned Thomas Sowell's book Conflict Divisions. Very, very short version of it. He thinks there are two sorts of people. The constrained revision of life and the unconstrained vision. And I'm going to get to kind of a cool sciencey thing if we can fit it in. But Sowell argues that the unconstrained vision relies heavily on the belief that human nature is essentially good. Those with the unconstrained vision distrust decentralized processes like the free market and are impatient with large institutions and systematic processes that constrain human action. They believe there is an ideal solution to every problem and that compromise is never acceptable. Collateral damage is merely the price of moving forward on the road to perfection. Like taking away people's right to free speech sometime. Or like the. The progressive lady at NPR said, sometimes the truth gets in the way of what we need to Accomplish. That's a beautiful example of that. Sowell often refers to them as the self anointed. Ultimately they believe that man is morally perfect. Because of this, they believe that there exists some people who are further along on the path of moral development, have overcome self interest and are immune to the influence of power and therefore can act as surrogate decision makers for the rest of society.

[Joe Getty]

That's so good.

[Jack Armstrong]

How perfect a description of progressive America is that?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, so Ezra Klein or Elizabeth Warren, whoever they think I'm beyond being corrupted, I will, I will pass legislation, come up with rules that only benefit everyone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Because I can't be influenced one way or the other. I have no selfishness, I have no self interest whatsoever and I am morally.

[Jack Armstrong]

Superior to anyone who disagrees with me. Oh my God, it's. Well, that's the proof that they're morally inferior, the fact that they disagree with me. That is the smugness of progressivism.

[Joe Getty]

That is so good.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is so good. Scientists from Iowa State new study reveals how your brain reacts to food purchasing decisions can be used to determine your political affiliation with almost 80% accuracy. The punchline of this is not particularly interesting. I kept waiting for, you know, conservatives use the logic part of the brain to look at prices and progressives are stupid and they process things emotionally. They don't know enough to know that yet, but this is interesting enough. They had people purchase eggs with various prices and produced in different ways a different bunch of different tests. Then studied their neural networks. You know how they do these days with the light up maps and the rest of it oversimplifying this a bit, Says the professor of economics, you cannot tell whether someone's a Democrat or Republican when you see them buy free range eggs. But if you were to examine their brain activity, you would see that they are using different parts of their brains in that decision. The brain activity predicts the party, not the purchase. And he says, we know from studies of twins that about 50% of your political ideology is biologically heritable.

[Joe Getty]

Didn't know that. A half of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Data from your parents allows us to infer your political party with 69% accuracy. So it's pretty amazing that just the signal from the brain while you're buying eggs and milk enables us to correctly classify your political party about 80% of the time.

[Joe Getty]

That's interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the different visions, the different sorts of people in the world see the world differently and their brains work differently. Don't hate them, just convince them if you can.

[Joe Getty]

Fascinating.

[Jack Armstrong]

You can hate them a little if you want Armstrong and Getty?

[Scarlett Johnson]

I was removed from my varsity girls team and replaced by a newly eligible male transfer student who received favorable treatment. As a result of this unfair treatment, my teammates, Caitlin and I wore shirts that said save girls sports and stated that boys and girls are different. It's common sense. XX does not equal XY Director made me remove my shirt and told me it was like wearing a swastika in front of a Jewish person and said that I would face disciplinary action if I wore it again. My Title 9 and Free Speech Rights as a female matter too.

[Joe Getty]

That's a high school girl speaking in front of the California assembly about how she was told to take off her shirt asking that she not have to play against dudes more or less because it was like a swastika in front of a German or a Jewish person.

[Jack Armstrong]

Meanwhile, the dude was taking off his pants in front of all the girls.

[Joe Getty]

In the locker room and dominating in the sports.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just sick. So California's held a couple of hearings lately in the assembly in for the purpose of quickly quashing bills that would restore girls and women's sports. Josh Hoover is California assemblyman, 7th assembly district, who's privy to the goings on at the Capitol, obviously. And actually, Josh, first of all, welcome. It's always a pleasure. How are you?

[Josh Hoover]

Thanks guys. Great to be back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Great to have you. So were you at the hearings?

[Josh Hoover]

So I was at the Capitol. I wasn't in the hearing room, but I was watching on my screen and got to see everything go down.

[Jack Armstrong]

And how did it go?

[Josh Hoover]

Well, so I mean, you guys played that clip. There was just hundreds of amazing student athletes there in support of the bill. Obviously you guys know that Governor Gavin Newsom has seen the light on this in some ways, but the Democratic super majority in the California legislature has decided to double down. There were two bills that were heard. So AB89 would have required CIF, which is our sports body here, to limit high school women's sports to biological women. And AB844 would have returned California law to where it was 10 years ago, which essentially limits sex segregated sports to basically by sex versus gender identity, which is what they changed it to about a decade ago.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if Gavin Newsom had. I don't want to get stuck on Gavin Newsom, but if he had seen the light, he would have come out yesterday and made a statement about this or prior to the hearings. But he did not because he's a coward.

[Josh Hoover]

100%. Totally agree. The legislative committee, the arts committee there voted 7 to 2 to kill both of these bills back to back.

[Joe Getty]

Unbelievable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Latest poll out, it's 79 to 18. This issue in America.

[Joe Getty]

So it's an 80, 20 issue. I don't even understand the raw politics of this issue. It just seems like the Democratic Party's so on the wrong side of this. Just terms of staying in office. What gives?

[Josh Hoover]

So, Jack, you know, one of the things you've expressed is what are the arguments opposing these bills? And that's one of the reasons I tuned into the hearing, because I wanted to hear what the opposition had to say about this. So they laid out five basic arguments. Number one, passing these bills would be an invasion of girls privacy because somehow we're going to now require, you know, inspections of some kind, even though we did it this way for decades prior.

[Jack Armstrong]

The entirety of human history.

[Josh Hoover]

Josh, Sports are inherently unfair was another argument they used, which really begs the question, why do we even have sex segregated sports in the first place?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Josh Hoover]

You know, you know, Serena Williams famously talked about how, you know, women's and men's tennis is vastly different games. Right. They repeatedly said, we have no data. But then they said, it's not a big issue. And then a couple. These are my 2 favorite.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's reams of data, folks, which you probably know. Go on, Josh.

[Josh Hoover]

Sorry, sorry. Last two. The Trump administration is the real threat to women. Not this issue, obviously, but the really incredible one is one of my colleagues actually said that the fact that these bills were even introduced demonstrates that we are headed towards Nazi Germany and fascism in the United States. No, that actually came out of some.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

Josh, you're a learned man. We need. We, the sane need to come up with a universally agreed upon phrase to describe what you just described. And it's the same as introducing, say, gay porn into a school library. And then when somebody says that shouldn't be in there, accusing them of being a Nazi or a reactionary or what have you, the changing things vastly and then accusing those who say that change is no good of being the actual change agent we need. How do you. How do you describe it?

[Joe Getty]

Pretty good jiu jitsu trick, though.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah, I don't. If anybody has a brilliant idea, you can text us 415295, KFTC or drop us an email mailbagarnstrongetty.com we're on the.

[Joe Getty]

Road to Nazi Germany if we don't let boys play girls volleyball.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they said that with a straight face.

[Josh Hoover]

Deadly serious, actually. He was deadly serious.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, you know, Hitler, he sure was a fan of fellas dominating girls sports. That's the first thing he got going? No, I guess, no, he would be. He would be the opposite. He believed boys should. Anyway, back to the politics of damn Nazis. Everybody, back to the politics of it.

[Joe Getty]

I just. I just don't get it. I would think your average Democrat realizes most of the people in my, you know, around the United States district or in California, your little area of your town, whatever. Even the Democrats mostly don't think this is a good idea. So why hasn't that happened?

[Josh Hoover]

Well, in fact, there was a number of people that got up to the microphone to express their position on the bill that stated out loud, I am a lifelong Democrat. I support these bills. I support, you know, protecting women's sports. And that happened over and over again at the hearing. And yet every single person in there was called a Nazi. So, you know, I think it's pretty shocking. And remember, this isn't just the sports issue, too. One of these bills would also address the locker room issue, which basically California law allows locker rooms to be used based on your gender identity. When I was on a school board previously that our legal counsel actually told us that the only option for people that feel uncomfortable in that situation would be able to find a private space for the girls changing in those locker rooms. That was the only thing we would be able to do as a school district.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, the girls need to give way. Michael plays clip 18. This is Scarlett Johnson of Moms for Liberty in Wisconsin.

[Val Kilmer]

A biological male, 16 years old, obvious male, over 200 pounds, who, identified as trans, was allowed to change in the girls locker room. This boy has alleged to strip nude to leer at the girls while they were changing these girls. When they complained, the gym teacher told them to stop being dramatic. It was hard to believe. It was hard to believe that this was happening in Wisconsin, but it absolutely was.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm reminded of our discussion during the last segment or two about the moral superiority that progressives feel. I have a feeling they would say, you know, I don't care if it's 80, 20. We're gonna keep preaching that trans women are women until it's 80, 20 the other way. Because we're right and we're superior.

[Joe Getty]

With some example of the gay marriage move, the polling changed on that quite dramatically over years. This one is not, though.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, no, no. In fact, it's going in the other direction as more and more people get hip to the reality of it. Josh. So a question for you, Assemblyman California Assemblyman Josh Hoover on the line right now, and this is your political analyst hat time. Is it the voices you heard in the hearing especially, that killed both of these incredibly important reasonable bills? Is that actual ideological fervor? Do they believe this stuff to their hearts, or is it that whole intersectionality? If the illegal immigrant people don't back us on transgender and the black activists don't, you know, don't back the union guys, it'll all fall apart. Is it just solidarity or what?

[Josh Hoover]

Well, look, I think there are some Democrats in the legislature that kind of go with the wind, right? Whichever way the political wind is blowing. I think Gavin Newsom is that person actually. He actually signed a lot of these bills, Right. And then now that he's looking at running for president, he's changing his tune. But the people in this hearing that voted these bills down, a number of them believe this to their core. And in fact, at one point, the chair of the committee hearing even said. Said that he. He agrees it's an 8020 issue, but it's. But he still believes that it's the wrong thing to do to support these bills. So, you know, I think that it really depends on who you're talking about, but there are people that truly believe this to their core.

[Joe Getty]

Well, appreciate you coming on today. Specifically, the little nugget about somebody claiming we're on the way to Nazi Germany if these passed. I mean, that's hilarious.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's. That's beautiful, Josh. All right, well, keep fighting the good fight. I would love to see the Republican Party in California, which still exists, by the way, for folks in the rest of the country to go with. Trump believes in you. They believe in. They. Them. We've got to hammer that message anyway.

[Josh Hoover]

Absolutely. Thanks, guys.

[Jack Armstrong]

Appreciate you having me on. It's great to have you. Thanks, Josh. So, a couple of thoughts. Number one, there's never been a more disconcerting time for actual Nazis who will walk around, you know, and say, maybe they got a swastika. And people assume that some anti Elon Musk person painted on their car or their jacket or whatever. And if they can even tell you, look, I'm a Nazi. And they are probably greeted with, oh, so you're in favor of booting trans people out of sports? No, no, no, no. I'm a national Socialist. Oh, so you support Elon Musk? No, Adolf Hitler is my hero. But people don't believe it. Nazi Germany, Doge.

[Joe Getty]

Am I right? High five. No, no, that's not my thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I'm an anti Semite. They would say, I'm.

[Joe Getty]

Again, I'M confused by the politics because generally politicians just do what's gonna keep them in office.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. It's bizarre, troubling, and refreshing that these people actually vote their principles. And their principle is a person can decide one day they're a man, and the next they're a woman, and that magically makes them a woman.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's not what Gavin Newsom's doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, no?

[Joe Getty]

I'm surprised. I mean, this is like the easiest Sister Soulsia moment ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, he's termed out. He doesn't need to worry about running again in California. So why wouldn't he come out, make national news, be on Fox all day long. If he gave a little speech about why, you know, dude should be in girls sports and go against his party, I mean, that would have been a huge step forward for him on the national stage. I can't believe he won't do it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think he is waiting. He's thrown a breadcrumb or two out to enhance his reasonableness, bona fides, but he's not gonna turn on the left of his party in any recognizable or undeniable way until, you know, he's won the nomination. And then when he pivots to the general as presidential candidate in this nightmare scenario. Although I've said a million times I would love for him to run, I would enjoy that so much.

[Joe Getty]

Seen a lot of candidates overthink it like this and not get the nomination.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure. Oh, yeah, yeah. Kamala Harris. Although Gavi is twice as intelligent as Kamala. But anyway, you laugh.

[Joe Getty]

So is a cocker spaniel.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, true. But his tack to the center will be so jarring and complete because he has no principles. I don't know. There's part of me that would love to see it.

[Joe Getty]

God dang it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I know. It's obscene and just troubling that people can believe something so passionately and so completely that nobody believed no body 15 years ago and hardly anybody believes it now. But they will die on that hill.

[Joe Getty]

I don't want to get stuck on this. So my last comment on this would be. From everything I read, the polling shows that among Democrats, they believe they need to moderate.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

And the big money people are saying we need to moderate. So I just think. I just think it'd be such a win.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. Like I said, it is both kind of positive and horrifying that people are sticking to their guns.

[Joe Getty]

Keep believing Twitter. Just do it. Go ahead. Keep believing Twitter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And the college students listen to college students. They are wise yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yes. And your party won't totally go the way of the mastodon. Don't worry about it. Hang in there. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty, the baby brand Frida has announced it will offer breast milk flavored ice cream. So if you love ice cream and you love being on watch lists. Yeah, you got like a gallon. It was disturbing. If you're just tuning in, where you been? I've been talking about California assembly killing two bills to keep dudes out of girls locker rooms and sports. And one of the assembly members said the very occurrence of the hearing is proof that we're on the road to Nazi Germany. To say there should be no dudes in girls sports, which there weren't any till like last week, to say anything about that is proof we're on the road to Nazi Germany. And another capital insider in California has tipped us off that a bunch of people who testified on those bills noted that they are former Democrats due to the issue. And after assembly members Burr made the Nazi comment, there was a guy who testified that he is a gay Democrat, quote, and a Nazi, according to Mr. Zburr, because I support this bill. So again, lunatics keep thinking Twitter is America. Angry college girl, Twitter is America. These are people who watch Libs of TikTok and don't understand they're being made fun of. You being a good little Nazi.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So on the Nazi thing, here's where we gotta draw the line on free speech. There's got to be an amendment to the Constitution. No more calling people a Nazi.

[Jack Armstrong]

I will support that amendment.

[Joe Getty]

This is leading to Hitler's Germany. We just. It's. It's ruined. It's ruined all discourse.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Yeah. Remember the argument reductio ad al Hitlerum, that if an online discussion goes along, goes on long enough, sooner or later somebody will be compared to Hitler. It's now like instantum al Hitlerum. It just instantly goes there.

[Joe Getty]

Well, one of the problems with it, Jonah Goldberg has written about this a lot, is it always ends up. I mean, if you take it any further, it gets into a. No, it's not like Hitler's rise or Hitler's Germany because of X and Y, as if that's the only standard for good or bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

And so if it falls short of Hitler, it's okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's sub Hitlerian.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. If it's under the Hitler line, it's okay. So it sets the bar way too high for I should be disturbed by this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. And the left is so brutally hypocritical and dishonest because they believe they're morally superior. That if you were to say, you know, on the conservative side of things, that something's as bad as slavery, especially during the BLM Heights where everybody was terrified of them, everyone but us, they would say, that devalues the horrors of slavery. How dare you do that? It was a terrible, terrible thing. But they will compare people who are anti the designated hitter to Hitler. You don't think that devalues the Holocaust and the horrors and fascism and the rest of it? Yeah. And simultaneously you call everybody a fascist. It's just, again, I can accept that these people exist on Earth and I will protect their right to free speech, but by God, I don't want them in charge of anything. Anything.

[Joe Getty]

So Axios is reporting this today. Do we believe Axios?

[Jack Armstrong]

They've got some pretty good reporters.

[Joe Getty]

White House fed up with RFK Jr. Sluggish press shop. The White House is so frustrated by the lack of clear and fast communications by Health Secretary RFK Jr's agency that is set up a parallel press shop. Five top Trump administration sources tell Axios. Yeah, if you got five people leaking Daxios, that seems like a pretty solid story.

[Jack Armstrong]

RFK Jr is right about a handful of things that are pretty important. So you know what, Beef Tallow? I don't know much about those things. He's absolutely right about a handful of things, but he is a loose cannon, half a nut, and he will not last in his job. That is my prediction.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if they're setting up a separate press shop according to five different people willing to leak Daxios, that's a. That's a sign. Yeah, so we did. I guess we're out of time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.