He Liked Lasagna & Was Lazy

Summary

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Episode: "He Liked Lasagna & Was Lazy"

Date: December 2, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Overview

This episode centers on several current events and cultural issues, with the Armstrong & Getty signature blend of irreverence, skepticism, and banter. The central topics include the controversy over a U.S. strike on a Venezuelan drug boat, dysfunctional labor markets, confusing economic signals from Black Friday, and the absurdities of modern internet-fueled outrage culture (such as "rage bait"). Interwoven are lighter moments, reflections on history (with a nod to President Garfield), and colorful listener emails.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Venezuelan Drug Boat Strike Controversy

[03:00–05:00, 16:39–13:17, 28:21–36:32]

• Initial Overview: The main story is an alleged controversial second strike on a Venezuelan drug boat where survivors were reportedly killed after an initial attack. There's confusion and finger-pointing between the White House, Defense Department, and various high-ranking officials about who gave the order and what the operational goals were.
• Hosts’ Position: Both Jack and Joe emphasize their skepticism of partisan narratives, wanting instead to focus on facts:

  “I don’t think about that at all… whether it helps Trump or hurts Trump. I just want to know what happened.” (Jack, 04:51)

• Lawyerly Denials & Accountability: The hosts note how official statements are carefully worded, not directly denying accusations but framing actions as "righteous":

  "The denials by the White House have been very lawyerly. They have not been as direct as they would be if they could be direct…" (Joe, 03:49)

• Calls for Transparency: The hosts and listeners want the video of the strike released to clarify what happened:

  “Where’s the damn video?...Release it and let the chips fall where they may.” (Jack, 18:05)

• Listener Emails: The mailbag segment covers multiple perspectives on the controversy, from skepticism of media sources to constitutional questions about using lethal force against narcotraffickers.
• Political Fallout: Discussion of Republican-led House committees calling for investigations, which the hosts cite as making the story credible beyond just media or partisan chatter.
• Summary of Possibilities: The hosts weigh the government’s justification—destroying drugs vs. targeting surviving smugglers—and whether shifting blame to an admiral signals a cover-up.
• Quote (speculating on White House/Defense shifting blame):

  "Yesterday it sure looked like they were trying to pin it on that admiral, make it his decision. And I wonder what he's thinking about that." (Jack, 22:53)

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2. The Trucking School Scandal & Labor Market Malaise

[05:58–08:21, 09:07–10:47]

• Scandal: A large portion of truck-driving schools are called "CDL mills," licensing drivers without adequate training—regardless of immigration status. This links to fatal crashes involving underqualified drivers.
• Systemic Breakdown: The discussion toggles between failures of private oversight and government regulation; Armstrong's libertarian leanings are challenged by the prevalence of private "bad actors."
• Economic Context: The hosts link the issue to broader workforce challenges—including a historically low labor participation rate among healthy, working-age men.

  "…the labor participation rate among healthy working age males is the lowest it's ever been…" (Joe, 08:04)

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3. Confusing Economic Signals: Black Friday Spending vs. Financial Angst

[09:07–10:47, 39:02–39:15]

• Paradox: Despite surveys showing stress over healthcare, missed loan payments, and record-high credit card debt, Black Friday spending jumped 9% year-over-year.
• Possible Explanations:
  • Wealthy consumers may be responsible for bulk of holiday spending.
  • People may be "living like the government"—spending while broke and ignoring the consequences.
  • The real economic pain could manifest as a post-holiday spending drop.
• Quip:

  "Or we're just completely out of control. I mean we might just be living like the government: we're broke and we're going to come up with a new program." (Jack, 10:35)
  "It'd be something if the federal government passed some sort of bailout: 'We will bail you out of your personal debt.' That would be… a Shakespearean ending." (Joe, 10:47)

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4. “Rage Bait” – The Word of the Year

[12:12–13:11]

• Definition: Content engineered to provoke anger and maximize online engagement.
• Example:

  "I hate Santa. That is… putting out something into the public sphere with the idea of capturing engagement through anger." (Guest Clip, 12:54)

• Host Commentary: Both hosts lament the dominance of rage-driven content in digital culture, suggesting "unplug the internet."

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5. Quick News Headlines & Cultural Tidbits

[17:21–21:01]

• Katie presents top headlines spanning geopolitics (Russia/Ukraine, Netanyahu), economics (cheap commercial real estate), and the viral (Americans' knowledge of healthy eating, flesh-eating worms in Mexico).
• Notable Quote:

  "One in three Americans have no idea what a healthy plate of food looks like." (Katie, 20:32)

• The hosts riff on the protein obsession trend, government dietary guidelines, and nostalgia for simpler definitions of “healthy food.”

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6. Trump MRI Banter

[26:24–28:21, 38:11–38:50]

• A clip of Trump discussing a recent MRI is played. Trump is characteristically vague:

  “It was perfect… my MRI was perfect. You know, the whole machine and everything. And that my MRI was perfect. What an interesting personality that is.” (Jack, 27:51)

• The hosts marvel at Trump’s offhand, almost clueless approach to discussing his own health, joking about his supposed invincibility.

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7. Listener Mailbag & “Man-Keeping”

[42:41–48:33]

• A "man-keeping" viral article (the concept of women shouldering all emotional labor in relationships) comes under satirical scrutiny:

  "When I was young, that was called loving someone, man or woman. We all do a lot of that for our partner. But now we call it man-keeping and we hate it." (Nellie Bowles, read by Joe, 47:26)

• The hosts, and their emailers, mock the rebranding of basic human kindness as gendered oppression.
• Side note on a feminist bumper sticker ("Conduct yourself with the confidence of a mediocre white man") sparks a riff on cultural grievance-mongering.

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8. Historical References – President Garfield

[42:41–43:17]

• The episode title alludes to a running gag comparing President Garfield (the man) to Garfield the cat, based on a new Netflix series.
• Notable Garfield Quote:

  “If wrinkles must be written on our brows, let them not be written upon the heart. The spirit should never grow old.” (James A. Garfield, read by Joe, 42:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Drug Boat Strike:

  "We're waiting for the facts. For what it's worth, Robert, thanks for the note. This from Dave… Please, why do you keep reporting anonymous Trump administration hit pieces? ...Don't write to us, write to the heads of Republican committees who are saying, hey, this looks serious, we need to look into it." (Joe, 33:41)

• On Political Cynicism:

  "We live in foolish times." (Jack, 03:34)

• On Economic Confusion:

  "How are people so scared about their personal finances yet spending so much...for Christmas? I'm not quite sure." (Jack, 38:54)

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Major Timestamps

• [03:00] Main controversy: Venezuelan drug boat strike
• [05:58] CDL (“trucking school” scandal) and labor participation rate
• [09:47] Black Friday spending paradox
• [12:12] “Rage bait” as word of the year
• [16:39] Recap and headlines (Venezuela, Russia/Ukraine, economic news)
• [26:24] Trump’s MRI comments
• [28:21] Deeper dive into the strike controversy & listener responses
• [42:41] Mailbag, President Garfield, "man-keeping" viral trend

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Episode Tone & Language

The episode is marked by playful but incisive banter, skepticism toward both media narratives and government spin, and a willingness to pause for cultural or historical asides. The hosts’ tone is conversational, dryly humorous, and subtly exasperated with the state of modern discourse and governance.

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Summary Table

| Segment Topic | Time | Notable Quote(s) / Notes | | :--------------------------------------- | :---------- | :------------------------------------------- | | Venezuelan drug boat controversy | 03:00–05:00, 16:39–13:17, 28:21–36:32 | “I just want to know what happened.” (Jack) | | Truck driving school scandal, labor issues| 05:58–08:21 | "Part of this is just...crony capitalism..." (Joe) | | Black Friday/economic confusion | 09:47–10:47, 39:02–39:15 | "Living like the government: we're broke..." (Jack) | | Rage bait/Internet outrage culture | 12:12–13:11 | "I hate Santa – that's rage bait." (clip) | | News headlines/cultural riffing | 17:21–21:01 | “One in three Americans...” (Katie) | | Trump MRI banter, invincibility humor | 26:24–28:21, 38:11–38:50 | "My MRI was perfect..." (Trump) | | Listener email/mailbag | 42:41–48:33 | “Now we call it man-keeping and we hate it.” (Joe/Nellie Bowles) | | President Garfield asides/historical detour| 42:41–43:17 | “He liked lasagna & was lazy…” (title banter)|

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For New Listeners

This episode is a classic example of Armstrong & Getty’s approach: mix breaking news, biting cultural commentary, listener interaction, and offbeat historical references. If you want smart, irreverent talk radio that's skeptical of all sides and isn’t afraid to poke fun at itself (and everyone else), this is an episode worth hearing.

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[Joe Getty]

Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Donald Trump]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Live from Studio C C, a dimly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And hey, y', all, today, Tuesday, we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Joe Getty]

The second shot Venezuelan drug vote controversy.

[Jack Armstrong]

So is your take that they're trying to hang out to dry that other dude?

[Joe Getty]

There are a couple of different possibilities. The facts are not known at this point. And by the way, we received a new number of really interesting emails on the topic, many contrasting with each other. Yeah, yeah. The facts are in doubt at this point. So expressing a strong opinion I think is foolish.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course.

[Joe Getty]

We live in foolish times.

[Jack Armstrong]

We certainly do. Well, it seems to me that somebody could take more of a role of stepping forward and clearing this thing up in the Defense Department, couldn't they?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Or the White House. Yeah, absolutely. The. I will tell you this as a bull Esser, do not bless me. As the old saying goes, the denials by the White House have been very lawyerly. They have not been as direct as they would be if they could be direct saying, no, that didn't happen. They've, they've said the mission which was approved by the legal department is righteous to keep America free from drugs. But that's not what's being asked.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

So who knows? We'll see. On the other hand, the usual suspects are lining up to make hay in the usual ways, turning this into an entirely partisan matter of make scoring points. And so, you know, for instance, and I don't, I don't care about this a lot, but at least some of our listeners are like, guys, why are you siding with the Democrats who are always trying to bring Trump down? And the answer is we're not like usual, we're just trying to figure out what's actually happening.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think about that at all. When I think about a story, whether it's helps Trump or hurts Trump, I just want to know what happened. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Yep.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hear, hear.

[Joe Getty]

It's a nod method, but we're going to stick with it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's the most interesting thing I've heard today. First of all, I have a cold. Every time I fly, I catch a cold. I remember during COVID they told us flying is like the safest thing you can do in terms of air is.

[Joe Getty]

Aggressively filter Jack, how come every time.

[Jack Armstrong]

I fly, I catch a cold?

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, I think that airports are teeming with Filth.

[Jack Armstrong]

It might be the airport, not the plane. Of course, then that would, that negates what they said, though. Flying is not a problem because the airplane, okay, maybe the airplanes do recycle the air and filter it out, but the fact that we're all jammed together in that little walkway getting on and off or wherever else is important.

[Joe Getty]

If we get sick, filthy, filthy seats there in the terminal. Yeah. It doesn't really make fly private like me. Why don't you you in a related story, let them eat cake here.

[Jack Armstrong]

It doesn't really make any difference whether when I fly I get sick on the plane or waiting in line to get on the plane, does it?

[Joe Getty]

No, not really. It's a distinction without a difference. Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, here's the most interesting thing I've heard today and we're going to hear a clip from a little bit later. The Trump administration has been cracking down on the trucking industry. Started in California where they're giving out all kinds of licenses to illegals. And we've had some horrifying crashes across the country. Turns out about half, half of the trucking schools in the entire country, coast to coast, weren't doing their job or even close to it right. Being called CDL mills. They're just, they're just there to stamp licenses and get people through the door, probably at the behest of the trucking companies. I don't know who but.

[Joe Getty]

And if you can fog whatever their word is for mirror, they will give you a license.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. And at least half of them are going to be. People are going to have their licenses taken back away because it wasn't a real school they went to, or they're going to have to be closed down or they're going to have to really get their act together. But how does something like that happen? And man, does that lean toward us libertarians who want to take government out of these things. Have a private company of some sort do this?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could a private company be bribed or not good?

[Joe Getty]

Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

But is a government company more likely to be bad? Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and what's the recourse when, when a private company goes bad or, or, or does. Well, well, let's stick with the specifics. Does what the government sanctioned schools, which are quasi private, have done you, you bring them to their knees, you find them to death, you put them out of business. If it's a government agency, what do you do? You find the taxpayers? Please. It's terrible. Although part of this is just, I think it's crony capitalism because I think a lot of these truck driving schools are private.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

But the governments here and there said look, we need lots and lots of drivers. Nobody's gonna pay attention. These are jobs Americans won't do because they're busy smoking pot on their parents basement sofa where they can't get a.

[Jack Armstrong]

Job in there, whatever studies program they got a degree in.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. No kidding. You know, we should probably every single day, I don't know, maybe kick off hour two of the show of with just reminding you the labor participation rate among healthy working age males is the lowest it's ever been and then just go on with whatever else we're going to talk about.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Because that, that shades so many issues we talk about.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I was about to. And it might fit in with this. So first of all, in that trucking school thing, if it turns out most of them are private, obviously that damages my libertarian argument. So where is the breakdown there?

[Joe Getty]

Well, they, the state still has to give them the test though.

[Jack Armstrong]

And there had to be a lot of people knowing that they were not doing their job. I mean a lot. I mean thousands of people across the country have to be aware that these schools are just fake basically.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and then they get guys who can't pass the test who are inexplicably given a license by the government. So it's the sort of public private partnership that's that made America what it is today.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jack, here's the other interesting thing I heard today. There is a poll out one of many negative economic polls where people are worried about their health care in particular that they can't afford it and blah, blah, blah. How do, how do all those numbers that we had before we went on vacation and including today where people are late on their car payments more than they've been in decades, their credit card debt is maxed out, they're more worried about being able to afford prescriptions, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. They feel horrible about their personal financial situation. And then if those numbers out of Black Friday are true, but we spent 9% more on shopping, what the heck is going on there?

[Joe Getty]

Well, there are a number of different things that could be going on. Maybe people still perceive that Black Friday is the day for super bargains. And so they've been keeping their powder dry until that day they dumped all their money into it. And now you're going to see a drop off before and after. I don't know that's explanation.

[Jack Armstrong]

It could be we had a stat not that long ago that the top. We forget what it was 20% of income earners were doing like half of the consumer spending. So maybe the people with money just spent like insane people to make up for other people cutting back. But the, the none of that fits together. The idea that people are missing car payments, house payments, can't afford the prescriptions and they're spending more for Christmas and there's something funky.

[Joe Getty]

Who knows?

[Jack Armstrong]

Or we're just completely out of control. I mean we might just be living like the government. We're broke and we're going to come up with a new program.

[Joe Getty]

It'd be something if the government, Pat, the federal government passed some sort of bailout. This would be the next step of pandering to the, the citizens. We will bail you out of your personal debt. And then that drove the federal government into such high level of no kidding, they had to default. That would be kind of a perfect. It would be like a Shakespearean ending. Very Hamlet ending.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly, exactly. Let's start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Tuesday, December 2nd, known as my mom's birthday. She is just a couple of weeks younger than Joe Biden. Joe Biden turned 83 a couple weeks ago. Now my mom is 83, caught up with much better mentally and physically than Joe Biden. I was just with her. We had a birthday cake and everything. They are 20, 25. We are Armstrong and getting. We approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

We had lemon bars for my dad. He loves lemon bars. What's not to like? It is one of your top tier cookie or cookie adjacent desserts at my.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mom and dad's house. So you have to sit on the underneath this banner that says Happy birthday. And my mom, because this is the way she is, has been using the same cardboard banner since 1966 for my one year birthday. And everybody's birthday has the same. She takes it down, she folds it up, she puts it in a drawer, then she unfolds it. She gets it out for everybody's birthday and they have to sit underneath it with the cake for 59 years.

[Joe Getty]

I tell you what, whoever made that banner back in the day, that was America quality.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

No cheap Chinese crappy happy birthday banner is going to last for 50 some years. 60 years, Blaze. All right. Have we begun? Let's begin the show officially. Now, according to FCC rules and regs, here we go at mark. And the word of the year is rage bait. And what's so interesting is it only became a word back in 2002. Now what is an example of Rage bait. It might be. I'll offer this sentence for you. I hate Santa. That is that I am putting out something into the public sphere with the idea of capturing engagement through anger. Therefore, I say something that is provocative with the mere idea that it's going to generate rage.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's pretty good. That was a pretty good example, too.

[Joe Getty]

That was a good one.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a great example. I hate Santa. Christmas sucks. Your call.

[Joe Getty]

Are you kidding? It's a tradition. Okay. All right. Kind of exhausted by even thinking about it. I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Rage.

[Joe Getty]

Unplug the Internet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Word of the year. Okay, we got Katie's headlines on the way and lots of news. I hope you can stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yo, yo, yo. So we attack in Venezuela or what? Is that what's gonna happen? Huh?

[Joe Getty]

I'm as mystified as I've ever been.

[Jack Armstrong]

He actually told Maduro on the phone the other day, you got to get out. You and your family, you got to get out right now.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Maduro said, I'm hemmed and hard.

[Joe Getty]

I. I would like to have heard that. Hemming and hawing. Do you mean for the afternoon, Mr. President, or what? No, no, for good. But I live here. Oh, boy. I wonder what was said. All right, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie, we got this text. It's a classic. You don't need a parachute to go skydiving. You just need a parachute to go to skydiving twice.

[Joe Getty]

Very good. Very good.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a. That's a lesson for life right there.

[J]

Doing big things.

[Jack Armstrong]

What are your headlines?

[J]

I know. I know you're sick, so I appreciate you bringing the joke.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank you.

[J]

We have three regarding the Venezuela situation. One. NBC White House confirms second September 2nd strike on alleged drug boat. CNN. Trump struggles with Venezuelan dilemma as Maduro digs in and storm builds at home over potential war crime. And the Hill pressure grows on Hegseth amid boat strike fallout.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where's the damn video? I mean, we could. We could solve this whole thing pretty quickly. Where's the video? It exists. Just release it and let's get to the bottom of it and let the chips fall where they may.

[J]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I wonder if people, different people look at the video and see different things, though it would certainly help. It would get us closer.

[J]

From abc, Whitehouse is, quote, very optimistic ahead of Russia US meeting on ending the Ukraine war.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, man, I took in a bunch of information on that yesterday. I don't know what I think of that. The reporting on that is all over the place, and I'm not sure what's true and what's not. Did Russia dictate the terms of this thing or was that a misreporting that whole week before we went on vacation? I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

More on that later.

[J]

From the ap. Netanyahu requests a pardon to end his ongoing corruption trial in Israel.

[Jack Armstrong]

That gonna be something if he ends up going to jail? Wow.

[J]

From the Wall Street Journal. Commercial real estate is getting too cheap to ignore.

[Joe Getty]

It's fallen so much that people are starting to think, hell, maybe I jump in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah. Well, I'm just amazed. Everywhere you go, there are so many empty storefronts with signs, you know, some sort of commercial real estate sign. There's so much space all over the place.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And in inner cities, obviously in their commercial districts, it's even worse. New York is actually doing some really cool stuff with converting those office buildings into residential, which is a good trend, I think.

[J]

From the New York Post. Truck driver charged with killing newlyweds in horror crash is an illegal immigrant given license in Newsoms, California.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's what we were just talking about. Yep. Somebody's got to pay a price for giving out those licenses to people who shouldn't be driving. I mean, that is outrageous.

[J]

From the Washington Post. Flesh eating worm in Mexico is squeezing the US Beef supply.

[Joe Getty]

Worms are eating the beef. Gross.

[Jack Armstrong]

How do I know if I got this? My flesh is being eaten away. Is that the first sign?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that is the, the main.

[J]

All right. Study finds one in three Americans have no, no idea what a healthy plate of food looks like.

[Jack Armstrong]

What the hell does that mean?

[J]

They're saying that Americans are protein obsessed and thinking that we can get all of our nutrients from stacking up on protein and we ignore other vital ones.

[Jack Armstrong]

One in three Americans doesn't know what a healthy plate of food looks like.

[Joe Getty]

Okay?

[Jack Armstrong]

This is based on the government's constantly changing food pyramid. Right?

[J]

And finally, the Babylon Bee. Nice day outdoors, drinking with the boys. Keeps getting interrupted by having to hit this little white ball.

[Joe Getty]

That's Joe's life right there. Yeah, an odd anti golf sentiment there. Where'd that come from?

[Jack Armstrong]

What does a healthy plate of food look like?

[Joe Getty]

It's your balanced diet. You got your protein, you got your vegetable, and maybe a little tater or something like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, as opposed to what?

[Joe Getty]

Starch?

[Jack Armstrong]

What are other people eating?

[J]

Well, a lot of people are just cutting out the. The healthy carb. They forget that your body needs carbs, so they're cutting those out.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I got a hot dog, and then I got some pudding, and I got French fries. Hot dog, pudding, and French fries. Is that good?

[Joe Getty]

Nailed it. Perfect. Yeah. I just saw in the free press they were joking about. All right, we've become too protein obsessed. There was some sort of bowl that you could buy that had, I think it was 168 grams of protein in it, which is just an absurd amount. And, yeah, I don't know, the whole people seizing on something online and going way, way too far thing, there's nothing I could do about it. Go ahead, knock yourself out.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I really look forward to those emails from people with opinions about the, you know, the second strike on the boat and Hegseth and that whole thing. I'm interested in hearing about that. You got to put the video out. I mean, you got to get on top of this. Unless, you know, unless something horribly illegal happened, then I suppose they're in cover up mode.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And there have been a couple of different stories that have been floated while we were just trying to destroy the rest of the wreckage because it was Lena Sea Lane or. No, we were trying to destroy the drugs because that was the point. Destroying the drugs. Those poor fellows, we didn't even notice them there. They need to get one story and stick with it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yesterday it sure looked like they were trying to pin it on that admiral, make it his decision. And I wonder what he's thinking about that. We got a lot more. Stay tuned.

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[Donald Trump]

They asked about my MRI. MRIs are very. Governor Walls. You mean the incompetent Governor Walls. So if they want to release it, it's okay with me to release it. It's perfect. It's like my phone call where I got impeached. It's absolutely perfect. So if you want to hear about it or if you want to release it, do you want to have it released? News Nation failing, Failing News Nation. News Nation is doing a lousy. By the way, but if you want to have it released, I'll release it.

[Show Announcer]

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[Donald Trump]

For what? Releasing.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no.

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What part of your body was the.

[Donald Trump]

No idea. It was just an mri. What part of the body? It wasn't the brain because I took a cognitive test and I aced and I got a perfect mark, which you would be incapable of doing. Goodbye, everybody. You too.

[Show Announcer]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So that's, that's that. We had that clip yesterday. There's a new clip out Hanson. So, and when the new clip, Trump is asked about it and he says, he talks about where the MRI was and he says. And they said it was the best MRI they'd ever seen, which is hilarious.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sorry, I'm just shaking my head.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it was the best. Mr. They told me it was the best MRI they'd ever seen. And that is absolutely hilarious. We have that clip.

[Donald Trump]

We should have MRI and in the machine, you know, the whole thing. And it was perfect.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was perfect. His MRI was perfect. You know, the whole machine and everything. And that my MRI was perfect. What an interesting personality that is. It's just so funny. And it seems like he's never heard of an MRI in his life and he has no idea what it is, even though he just got one. And I, I think he honestly doesn't know why he got one or what part of his body or how they work. They either find something or they don't. You don't have like a perfect MRI or like a really good one or something.

[Joe Getty]

There's not a score. No. He's on the phone to Putin during that Is awesome, you know. So your headline today, White House defends Hegseth over strike on alleged Drug boat that killed survivors. Press secretary says the admiral who ordered the second strike which killed survivors of the initial attack was un. Acting under the Pentagon chief's authority. So that's interesting. Again, we just don't know some of the key facts. And so this is just, you know, exploring possibilities. You can call it speculation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but some of the people that could fill in those facts aren't. And that's its own story.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, And I find some of this kind of lawyerly. Admiral Bradley, the head of Special Operations Command, by the way, Navy seal, honorable man, great service record. Not a. Not a. Not a blemish. Of course, these days, if you have a single blemish, you disappear, which is probably not a great system. But anyway, he was acting legally under authority. Authority to use lethal force granted by Hegseth and continuing in conducting the attacks on the boat. According to the White House press secretary, White House defense of Hegseth followed a report Friday in the WaPo that he gave a spoken order to kill them all aboard the vessel. Again, the denials are a little bit lawyerly, probably because there could be lawyers involved at some point. Anyway, we got a bunch of different emails about this topic. Do you want to add anything else to the. The accusations and denials description?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I don't.

[Jacob Goldstein]

It's.

[Joe Getty]

It's just not clear to me everything like he was operating under a lawful order by the. The secretary of defense.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know why, if nothing bad happened, why Pete Hegseth wouldn't just come out and say, look, this is what happened. We spotted a boat. I gave the order to, you know, and then say whatever you said. And then he. Then he. He hit it. And then there were. And then there was a second strike. For this reason, just come out and say that and show the video. I don't know why you wouldn't do that unless something bad happened.

[Joe Getty]

Well, last night, Hegseth posted on social Media that the Sept. 2 attacks were Bradley's decision. Let me make one thing crystal clear. Admiral Mitch Bradley is an American hero. A true professional. Has my 100% support. I stand by him in the combat decision he has made on the September 2nd mission and all others since. And then the White House, Caroline Levitt, said that Bradley had directed the attacks. Quote, On September 2nd, Secretary Hegseth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes. Admiral Bradley worked well within his authority in the law, directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the Threat to the United States of America was eliminated.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, see, that's where it made the turn yesterday, later in the day, where I felt like they were trying to put it on this Bradley guy. Yeah, but so is the story right now then. So Pete gave the order, kill them all. Which is, Is that the normal order to strike a boat? I mean, is the goal to kill everybody in the boat or stop the boat?

[Joe Getty]

Stop the boat. Just because if there are survivors who are helpless and no longer a threat and some people, you know, are saying, well, they're still part of a drug running operation, so that was a threat. No, that's, that's not the way military law works or, you know, American law works.

[Jack Armstrong]

But so they're trying to go with Pete order. Pete says kill them all. They hit the boat once, there's still some people left. And that admiral guy took it as well. Pete told me to kill them all. So I guess I got to kill these two guys and made a mistake.

[Joe Getty]

Well, although there's another story floating around that no, he wasn't trying to kill the guys, he was trying to take out the rest of the boat or destroy the drugs or something. And you know, you could claim that in the heat of it, he didn't notice the dudes. I don't, I don't know. I don't know. That's not been made clear. Got a handful of email, got a huge handful of emails on the topic. A variety of different takes guys writes Anita Hegseth for his part is not actually denied what happened. However, some reports out of the administration now claiming the second strike was because the boat was still floating and not because there were survivors. That is a plausible excuse. While I favor treating narco terrorists as enemy combatants, I would like to note that federal law defines narcotic trafficking as a criminal act. And I actually do not know that the President can just as a matter of law suddenly declare an act that Congress has decided as a crime to be an act of war. Is a good constitutional question. Let's see. Robert, so the WaPo reports something quoting anonymous sources. Why is that given any credibility at all, given the history of the WaPo with favorite fabricating things. This dude was just put in place on August 1st and is a Navy Seal. I'm guessing he knows the law and isn't afraid of the Sec Def. This is an entire argument against a straw man to put and keep it in the news. Unless there's proof this order exists or something happened that was illegal. This is just somebody trying to make news and Then the media reporting on that. Essentially, the story is the story, not the fact our media is so broken.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would feel like that's true. I would feel that way. If you didn't have the Republican chairs of a couple of committees saying, this looks bad, we need to investigate this.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would agree. And so we're waiting for the facts. For what it's worth. Robert, thanks for the note. This from Dave on the drug boat. Please. Why do you keep reporting anonymous Trump administration hit pieces. Like the recent story about the rudderless FBI report written by 20 anonymous former and current agents. Please, guys, be more skeptical. Okay? Don't write to us. Right, Right. To the heads of Republican committees who are saying, hey, this looks serious, we need to look into it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. That's what gives it credibility to me. If the Republican chair. Because Republicans don't have to investigate anything in the House unless they decide to, and they've decided to investigate this. If the Republican chair of a couple of different committees had come out and said, no, this is anonymous sources, we talked to Pete. This didn't happen, okay, that would be a different story. But they said, this looks bad. We need to look into it.

[Joe Getty]

Mm. How about this from Brian? Critical distinctions in the Hegseth controversy. Number one, Hegseth and others are saying that Pete gave the initial order but not the follow up order for the second strike. That was done by an admiral. Two, they were targeting the boat and its content of drugs, not the people clinging to the sides. They were concerned that the cartels would send another boat to retrieve the cargo, and the cargo was the concern. Let's see. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that kind of makes sense, I guess. I don't know what the rules are there. If the goal is to destroy a munitions depot someplace and he got a bunch of soldiers around there and the first strike does not destroy the thing. Do you hit it again? Even if there's dudes standing there, I would think that you would hit it again since the goal was to destroy the munitions depot.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah, I would agree. Sideshow Bob writes, can someone please explain to me why Venezuelan drug smugglers deserve death but Honduran drug smugglers deserve freedom. I'm pretty sure I know the answer, and it's an obvious one, but I'd love to hear some other theories, just for S's and giggles. As a reference to Trump saying he was going to pardon the former president of Honduras who's in American jails for the rest of his days because he accepted zillions of dollars in bribes to let the cartels Run Honduras. Allegedly. Trump is saying no, that was a Biden administration cooked up cooperation with the leftists of Honduras to frame this poor man. The prosecutors of the Justice Department disagreed rather strongly with that. I don't know. I haven't looked into the story. It seems odd timing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I don't know that story at all. So I will not weigh in.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, so a big variety. Quite a variety of responses.

[Jack Armstrong]

The fact that they're not just getting to just getting it out concerns me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would think they could put this to bed pretty quickly if they were completely on the right side of this.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

No, somebody emailed us guys, since their budget is unlimited for medical care for the president, they probably just did like a whole body mri.

[Jack Armstrong]

You wouldn't be curious yourself. What are you chicken?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah. But I'm not Trump. How his brain works is a complete mystery to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know. Yeah. If it's probably just I think he, I think he feels he's like invincible, like immortal. So he doesn't think much about health stuff. I think that's part of it. And so he's not, he's not like a guy who's constantly worried about, oh, I got a pain. I wonder what that is. I think he's the exact opposite of that.

[Joe Getty]

Right. The opposite of a hypochondriac.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got some actual mailbag to get to that's not about the second strike, which could be a quite a story for a while, man. We got to look into some of these economic numbers and polls that are out today. How are people so scared about their personal finances yet spending so much, it seems, for Christmas? I'm not quite sure. Lots on the ways to hear Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Somehow this became an off air conversation. How many kids does Pete Hegseth has? He is the biological father of four, stepfather to three, for a total of seven. There you go.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

You like lasagna and was lazy. Is that what we know about President Garfield?

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I gotta watch that show. I gotta admit, I know nothing about James A. Garfield.

[Joe Getty]

I find Myself inspired to learn more about the fellow. He seems to be a man of real honor and integrity, which is a rarity. Of course, you never know how fictionalized these things are. Which is why I want to dig into it. Yeah, Mailbag could be based on a true story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. There was once a guy with a chainsaw. That's where the reality hands. The occasionally insightful Magnus in Tucson writes. Can you ask Jack to address the. The question if there are any admirable admirals in the electrical college place? Yeah, that's funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

I believe they're commenting on my inability to speak.

[Joe Getty]

Well, there. The electoral college thing is, you know, that's yours. But the saying admirable when you're trying to say admiral. I do that one, too. Let's see. Speaking of speech, Jeff, listener from day one. Thanks. Jeff has phrases to be exempted from free speech. It should be against the law to utter these three phrases. Let me be clear. Yeah. That if somebody says that, they're about to be utterly unclear and completely dishonest. So his phrases are let me be clear, make no mistake, and period, full stop. Oh, all right. One more honorable mention. I don't know who needs to hear this, but. Not sure I've heard that one much. Let me be clear.

[Jack Armstrong]

Period, full stop is a favorite of Gavin Newsom.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, God, I hate it. Then Jared in Missouri writes. Guys, Armstrong, you get the hour two. Can we come together to prevent this obvious approaching catastrophe? The taxes versus debt. No, we can't until it's too late. Angie, hour four. Can we come together to prevent this obvious approaching catastrophe? AI Hope springs eternal. Yeah, but Jared, I jump in and say that hope is false.

[Jack Armstrong]

So. Doomed. Doomed. What's your P. Doom? We'll have to talk about that later. That's a popular phrase they throw around in the AI World. What's your P. Doom? Your. Your percentage of doom? Maybe we'll get to that later.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. Speaking of AI Theron writes, don't worry, AI Will probably only wipe out half the population in the beginning to conserve more energy for its own consumption in order to become even more intelligent. It would not be until AI can produce robots that can do the maintenance at power plants and on the servers. That it is needed to keep AI Functioning properly. That it will finally decide what to do with the rest of humanity. I'm sure AI Will keep at least a few humans for its own personal entertainment. Kind of like what humans do with pets. Well, pets have. Well, humans have millions and millions and millions and millions. Of pets. So I'd be an AI pet. I'm fairly obedient. I'll eat what's put in front of me. Just leave the Golf Channel on when you go to work.

[Jack Armstrong]

AI could definitely run a. One of those countries where they're observing you all the time. What do you call that? They got cameras and video every. Just watching you everywhere you go. That'd be easy for AI to come up with, I'm sure.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, just like a. A surveillance state.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, surveillance state. A totalitarian surveillance state.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you could certainly use that phrase to describe a zoo. I thought you were driving it like a human zoo. A big, you know, city sized human zoo. That they could be entertained by watching us. Of course. Does AI need entertainment?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think he loves entertainment, but it might need us for other work and no freedom.

[Joe Getty]

And then. And then our vital fluids. And then John writes on a totally different topic. We brought up this idiotic. I mean, beyond idiotic, aggressively malignantly stupid viral article about man keeping which described responding to his emotional needs and holding his hand when he's worried and blah. It was in. It was essentially describing love, but now it's called man keeping. And women are supposed to hate it. It's just bizarre. I wish we had more time to describe it. Actually, we do have a minute. Can I find it? I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It's basically trying to present as a negative the idea of you love your husband or boyfriend and you help him through tough times.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, here it is.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that's just awful. You have to do that.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I know, I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's.

[Joe Getty]

It's terrible. It's unfair. Man keeping describes the emotional labor women end up doing in heterosexual relationships. Goes beyond remembering birthdays or coordinating social plans. It means being your partner's one person support system, managing his stress, interpreting his moods, holding his hand through feelings he won't share with anyone else. All of it unpaid, unacknowledged, and often unreciprocated. And as Nellie Bowles writes, when I was young, that was called loving someone, man or woman. We all do a lot of that for our partner. But now we call it man keeping and we hate it. Oh, do we hate it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Holding his hand through feelings. Ew.

[Jack Armstrong]

And men don't do that for women. And if it's not reciprocated, then you're in a bad relationship. That's got nothing to do with this.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Then John writes in regard to your discussion about man keeping and feminism. Feminism made me think of a bumper sticker I saw a couple of days ago that said, quote, conduct yourself with the confidence of a mediocre white man. I was stunned at how offensive it was. Put me in a bad mood for an hour. The car was driven by a woman with a butch haircut. It was a Subaru with a Tell your dog I said hi sticker. These people are absolutely crazy. I Back to your dog.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's fantastic. If you miss the segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand Armstrong.

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