He Lived for His Goals

Summary

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Episode: He Lived for His Goals
Date: July 13, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the legacy and impact of Senator Lindsey Graham, who passed away over the weekend. Armstrong & Getty reflect on Graham’s career, especially his reputation for political pragmatism, his hawkish foreign policy stances, bipartisan work, and memorable moments in Congress. The episode also covers Alaska (from Joe’s recent trip), the population disparity between U.S. states, and touches on several lighter news stories and cultural trends.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Remembering Lindsey Graham

• Immediate Reaction and the Narrative Around Graham

  • The hosts dissect the mainstream media coverage and public reactions to Graham’s death, highlighting how misunderstandings of Graham’s shifting political alliances often miss the pragmatic beliefs that drove him.
  • Joe Getty (02:57):

    "The narrative from stupid people for stupid people, that Lindsey Graham, who originally opposed Trump, later kowtowed to him and became a sycophant, and he's a hypocrite. Again, stupid analysis for stupid people. How about this? Lindsey Graham thought his goals for America and what he thought was best were so sacred to him that he would work with whoever he needed to to make them happen because he lived for those goals. He was a highly principled guy. The last thing he was was unprincipled. He's practical."

• Political Flexibility for Ideological Goals

  • The hosts stress that Graham’s changing alliances were about advancing deeply held beliefs, not climbing the ranks for power’s sake.
  • Jack Armstrong (03:37):

    "He ran against Trump originally... He didn't like Trump's foreign policy at all... Graham was more of a hawk than me... But when he realized, okay, I guess the country's going Trump's direction, or at least the Republican Party is, I need to still be a voice for the things that I want."

• Working Across the Aisle

  • Graham’s reputation for bipartisanship is explored, with emphasis on his work up to his last days.
  • Joe Getty (05:28):

    "Lindsey in particular was a real fan of working across the aisle, even during these days... he was working across the aisle till his last day."

Greatest Hits: Lindsey Graham’s Senate Moments

• Direct Confrontation in Congressional Hearings

  • Compiled highlights from Graham’s confrontational but sincere style during hearings, especially the moment during Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation.
  • Lindsey Graham (08:40):

    "If you wanted an FBI investigation, you could have come to us. What you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. You've said that, not me... This is the most unethical sham since I've been in politics... When it comes to this, you're looking for a fair process. You came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend."

  • Jack Armstrong (10:00):

    "A lot of the Sunday shows credited that speech from Lindsey Graham for rescuing/saving Kavanaugh's nomination."

• Humor and Self-Deprecation

  • Anecdotes highlight Graham’s wit, with quotes from Al Franken noting Graham was the funniest senator.
  • (13:18, Jack Armstrong):

    "When he was running For President in 2016, I was next to him in the senator's men's room and said, if I was a Republican, I'd vote for you. And without hesitation, Lindsey Graham said, that's my problem."

• Unyielding Hawk on Foreign Policy

  • Graham’s consistent stance on U.S. military strength and intervention, including his hawkish approach to Iran, Ukraine, and elsewhere.
  • Lindsey Graham (13:32):

    "Here's what I tell President Trump. Keep it up for a few more weeks. Take Carg island, where all of the resources they have to produce oil. Control that island. Let this regime down a vein..."

• Taking on Extremism and Antisemitism

  • Graham’s directness and humor showcased in his speech to the Republican Jewish Coalition.
  • Lindsey Graham (11:53):

    "I just want to make it really clear. I'm in the Hitler sucks wing of the Republican Party. What is this Hitler? I don't know... If you ever run for office as a Republican and you embrace this weird sh*t, we're gonna beat your brains out."

Graham’s Biography & Character

• Background and Humble Roots
  • Discussion about Graham’s modest upbringing, minimal personal wealth, and commitment to family after his parents' death.
  • Joe Getty (11:12):

    "He's the son of a not very well to do liquor store owner and his parents passed away when he was a teenager and he adopted his sister and raised her and took care of her.. He's never displayed much interest in getting rich. He just cares about American foreign policy and the judiciary and stuff like that."

The Ukraine War and Graham’s Unique Role

• Mark Halperin’s Counterintuitive Point
  • Graham’s death is bad for Ukraine, not simply because he was a stalwart supporter, but because, like Nixon’s unique position with China, only Graham could have credibly negotiated a realistic peace with Ukraine.
  • Jack Armstrong (44:21):

    "[Graham] was the only guy, according to Mark Halpern on Earth, that Zelensky would have believed or listened to... If Lindsey Graham came in and sat down and said, 'you know how I feel about it. You know how much I hate Putin. This is as good as it's gonna get.' Zelensky to listen to him and there's nobody to take that role."

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Current Events & Side Topics

Alaska Reflections – Joe Getty’s Anniversary Trip

• Geography, Population, and Adventure

  • Joe recounts Alaska’s vast wilderness, low population, and history.
  • Admiring the state’s natural beauty, describing the isolation:
    • Joe Getty (27:49):

      "That little like appendix, that little vestigial tale of Alaska is an enormous wilderness...anything past right there is complete wilderness there are no trails, there are no roads, there are no cabins, there's nothing. It's just wilderness. And that continues for roughly 800 miles in that direction."

• Gold Rush Analogies & American Adventure

  • Gold rush history as a metaphor for American risk-taking; the lesson: it’s often more profitable to “harvest the miners” (provide goods/services) than to seek gold oneself.

• Minor Notes on Alaska

  • Joe’s knife-buying adventure, security theater on cruise ships.
  • Alaska’s tiny population compared to its land mass.
    • Jack Armstrong (35:24):

      "Alaska's population is 740,000 for that big, giant space."

• U.S. Senate and the State Population Imbalance

  • The evolving debate about representation as several low-population states together have more Senators than, for example, the entire population of New York City.

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Pop Culture, Humor, & Lighter News

• Conor McGregor’s Defeat

  • Brief, comedic recap of McGregor’s quick MMA fight loss.
  • Jack Armstrong (18:27):

    "It lasted about 35 seconds. Classic. The mind is willing, but the body is not."

• New AI Dating Apps

  • Jack mentions a Bay Area AI matching service attracting students by pairing users on personality and interests rather than just swiping on photos.
  • Skepticism about breaking human mating instincts (20:37–21:22).

• Strange Guinness Record Attempts

  • Sam Farber breaks record for 10-meter balloon-walk as Joe Getty jokes about the proliferation of absurd world records.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker & Context | |-----------|-------|------------------| | 02:57 | "Lindsey Graham thought his goals for America and what he thought was best were so sacred to him that he would work with whoever he needed to to make them happen because he lived for those goals." | Joe Getty, on Graham’s pragmatic approach | | 08:40 | "If you wanted an FBI investigation, you could have come to us. What you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. ... You came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend." | Lindsey Graham, Kavanaugh hearings | | 11:53 | "I'm in the Hitler sucks wing of the Republican Party...If you ever run for office as a Republican and you embrace this weird sh*t, we're gonna beat your brains out." | Lindsey Graham, addressing extremism | | 13:18 | "If I was a Republican, I'd vote for you." "That's my problem." | Al Franken shares a Lindsey Graham joke | | 44:21 | "Lindsey Graham was the only guy, according to Mark Halperin, on Earth that Zelensky would have believed...there's nobody to take that role." | Jack Armstrong, on Ukraine and negotiations | | 27:49 | "...that little vestigial tail of Alaska is an enormous wilderness...anything past right there is complete wilderness, there are no roads, there are no cabins." | Joe Getty, describing Alaska |

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Important Segments and Timestamps

• [02:10–05:53]: Graham’s career and narrative from the media
• [06:18–15:29]: Lindsey Graham’s greatest hits, with in-depth on-the-record audio
• [35:24–36:46]: Alaska’s population and the U.S. Senate representation debate
• [41:51–44:21]: Why Lindsey Graham’s death is significant for Ukraine peace prospects

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Tone and Style Notes

Armstrong & Getty balance irreverent humor, sharp political analysis, and sincere reflection, especially in discussing Graham. Their style mixes conversational anecdotes (from cruise stories to knife shopping and old Senate jokes) with pointed critique of "dumb narratives" in media and politics.

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In Summary

This episode serves as both a tribute and a nuanced exploration of Lindsey Graham’s political legacy—pragmatic, controversial, and uniquely impactful. Armstrong & Getty use Graham's story to launch broader discussions about American values, political flexibility, the realities of power, and the complexity behind public figures who refuse to fit into partisan caricatures. The hosts blend serious analysis with accessible humor and practical life analogies, making the episode engaging for both political junkies and casual listeners.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the

[Joe Getty]

George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. He was a fantastic person. He he was a man who you're going to watch. It's going to be a very big thing with him. He's going to be appreciated more now than he was when he was living.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think Donald Trump called into a whole bunch of different news shows yesterday when his friend Lindsey Graham died over the weekend and he got the news and telling everybody about it yeah.

[Joe Getty]

As we were discussing earlier, the narrative from Stupid people for stupid people, that Lindsey Graham, who originally opposed Trump, later kowtowed to him and became a sycophant, and he's a hypocrite. Again, stupid analysis for stupid people. How about this? Lindsey Graham thought his goals for America and what he thought was best were so sacred to him that he would work with whoever he needed to to make them happen because he lived for those goals. He was a highly principled guy. The last thing he was was unprincipled. He's practical.

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[Jack Armstrong]

He ran against Trump originally, if you don't remember, because he thought Trump. He didn't like Trump's foreign policy at all, and he was really worried about Trump getting the nomination and where that would take the country, because Trump was running against all these wars. Like, Lindsey Graham was more of a hawk than me on wanting, for instance, Iraq and Afghanistan to go on forever, it seems. But I agreed with him on being a hawk about Iran and Ukraine. But he was worried that everything could get out of hand. And like you said, so when he realized, okay, I guess the country's going Trump's direction, or at least the Republican Party is, I need to still be a voice for the things that I want. So I got to figure out a way to do that.

[Joe Getty]

And I actually saw this phrase used in one tribute to him. My mom's family was from South Carolina, and I was a small child when my grandmother first said to me, or it could have been my mom quoting my grandmother, that you. You draw more flies with honey than vinegar. And of course, that's not about drawing flies. Why do you want to draw flies? Who wants flies around them? I've always wondered how there are flies in the kitchen. There are a few flies, but not enough. Exactly. It's an odd expression, yet it has endured, so let's use it. And Lindsey Graham, also of the great state of South Carolina, believed that, look, if you want to get stuff done, you don't do it being an ass. You do it by reaching out to people and seeing how you can work with them. So, again, that whole he was a hypocrite narrative from evil, stupid people, Forget it. It's dumb.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, I was happy to see, with the respect that he was shown by all your mainstream media over the weekend, they. They presented him in a very good light on your faces, the Nation your Meets The Press, your ABCs this week, which I was happy to see that we still do that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. And Lindsey in particular was a real fan of working across the aisle, even during these days. He and Senator Blumenthal, about whom I have said very harsh things, and he deserves them. They're working together on a new Russian sanctions bill that actually had teeth. They've been trying to get Trump to support it for ages, and it was finally looking like it might work. And it still might work. But, yeah, he was working across the aisle till his last day.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've got a good, controversial, hot take from Mark Halperin on the role of Lindsey Graham's death in the war in Ukraine. Counterintuitive. Stay tuned.

[Joe Getty]

I do enjoy a good counterintuitive. So we have some of Lindsey's greatest hits assembled for you. He was very, very funny, very eloquent, sincere. You know, let's. Let's start with something quick and jazzy. Michael65.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

Mr. Zuckerberg, you and the companies before us, I know you don't mean it to be so, but you have blood on your hands. You have a product. You have a product that's killing people.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that was good. I tell you what, why don't we just do. We should start the show with a showstopper. Jack Free. It's his stairway to heaven. It's his greatest hits. His hit. Greatest hit. Lindsey Graham during the Judge Kavanaugh hearings. Just to reset it in case your memories are fuzzy, at the last moment, the Democrats brought forth this Blasey Ford woman who claimed that in high school, many decades ago, that Judge Kavanaugh was part of a group of boys who molested her on one level or another at a high school party where people had been drinking. And her memories were incredibly vague and a lot of the facts didn't fit.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was the opposite of the woman that came forward against Platner last week, where there was zero contemporary at the time, corroborated evidence. Her friends were like, I never heard that.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. There was just nothing to corroborate it. And, and notably, because Lindsey makes reference to this, the Democrats didn't say, hey, this needs to be fully investigated. They just brought it up at the last minute to assassinate his character. Judge Kavanaugh, you may recall, and I would love to hear this again, he finally had had enough and abandoned his. I'm going to sit here quietly with a smile on my face in a dignified way and take this, because this is horrific. It made the borking of Judge Bork look tame. He blasted him. He said it was disgusting and it was wrong and the rest of it. And then the narrative became, Kavanaugh is he's hot headed. He doesn't have the temperament to be on the court. Well, they came back from a break, and Lindsey Graham had had enough. 60. Michael.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

Did you know that her staff had already recommended a lawyer to Dr. Ford?

[Jack Armstrong]

I did not know that.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

Did you know that her and her staff had this allegation allegations for over 20 days?

[Jack Armstrong]

I did not know that at the time.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

If you wanted an FBI investigation, you could have come to us. What you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. You've said that, not me. You've got nothing to apologize for. When you see Sotomayor and Kagan, tell them that Lindsey said hello because I voted for them. I would never do to them what you've done to this guy. This is the most unethical sham since I've been in politics. And if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy. Are you a gang rapist? No. I cannot imagine what you and your family have gone through. Boy, y' all want power? God, I hope you never get it. I hope the American people can see through this sham that you knew about it and you held it. You had no intention of protecting Dr. Ford. None. She's as much of a victim as you are. God, I hate to say it, because these have been my friends, but let me tell you, when it comes to this, you're looking for a fair process. You came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend.

[Jack Armstrong]

And a lot of the Sunday shows credited that speech from Lindsey Graham for rescuing Slash. Saving Kavanaugh's nomination.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, possibly. There's a lot of grandstanding in the halls of Congress and the Senate these days. It's fairly rare that you hear somebody who is obviously completely sincere. That was great. That was so ugly.

[Jack Armstrong]

He never. He never wavered on his whole hawkishness in terms of thinking the United States needed to, you know, stand up to bullies around the world. That was. Man, that was a through line for him always, Even when it was very unpopular.

[Joe Getty]

I think that probably is partly because of his life story, that he was very much not the upper crust of society. In fact, he's still in the. His net worth when he passed was like $1.5 million.

[Jack Armstrong]

They had him. I got the article in front of me. The poorest member of Congress in terms of net worth.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think that's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, well, this article is wrong.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, we can look into that. But he definitely is in the bottom half of everybody in the Congress. But he, you know, he's the son of a not very well to do liquor store owner and his parents passed away when he was a teenager and he adopted his sister and raised her and took care of her. He's never displayed much interest in getting rich. He just cares about American foreign policy and the judiciary and stuff like that. He's also very, very funny and the context of the next clip 61 he's talking to the Republican Jewish Coalition about the the rise of anti Semitism and this was a while back, but note the tone.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

But I just want to make it really clear. I'm in the Hitler sucks wing of the Republican Party. What is this Hitler? I don't know. Anyway, here's what I do know. You can sit in a basement with weird people and say weird things. It's a free country, right? But if you ever run for office as a Republican and you embrace this weird sh t, we're gonna beat your brains out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Reading from this transcript with Al Franken, a former senator from Minnesota who was a member of Saturday Night Live wrote for Sen. Reporter said, Would your colleagues in the Senate tell you jokes? Al Franken said, yes. Is that annoying? Is really annoying for a couple of them. Is there anyone who's actually funny? Yeah, the funniest senator is Lindsey Graham. Really disappointing, isn't it? Al Franken said, that's surprising. He's very funny. Al Franken said, what's an example? I thought this was actually pretty good. When he was running For President in 2016, I was next to him in the senator's men's room and said, if I was a Republican, I'd vote for you. And without hesitation, Lindsey Graham said, that's my problem. Which is true.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow. Yeah. I'm anxious to hear. Well, do you have more of the, the Lindsay stuff you'd like to hear or I mean, here's an example of his hawkishness in 62 for sure.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

Here's what I tell President Trump. Keep it up for a few more weeks. Take Carg island, where all of the resources they have to produce oil. Control that island. Let this regime down a vein.

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[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

Sort of tired of all this armchair quarterback. And this has been amazing military operation God Bless the Fallen.

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But it's a difference. Troops on the ground.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

I trust the Marines, not that guy. I trust dod. We got two Marine Expeditionary Units sailing to this island. We did Iwo Jima. We can do this.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that might be what we're going to do, which we'll talk about a little bit later. I really think it's an interesting conversation and it's not everybody's personality that could do this around, switching gears, befriending enemies or whatever. Because you want to stay in office to accomplish the things you want to accomplish versus people who do that, who just want to stay in office because they like being in office. Because there's plenty of that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I think maybe it's as simple as you look at somebody and say, are they clearly purpose driven?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, for instance, I kept hearing over the weekend, Lindsey Graham found a way to always be relevant, no matter, you know, where the party went. So he came in in the the big wave in 94 with a whole bunch of rebels that were all about throwing Newt Gingrich out of office and a new kind of Republican Party and fighting the establishment. Next thing you know, his best friend is John McCain, who couldn't have been more of the establishment. And then we all know the Trump story. He ran against Trump, he ends up being Trump's closest friend, all that sort of stuff. But he all he, he stayed in relevant so that he could be a hawk on foreign policy all the way through. Or as opposed to Joe Biden, who also always found a way to be relevant for all those years. But I have no idea what Joe Biden cared about. No idea.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think he cared about anything

[Jack Armstrong]

but holding on to power, enriching the Biden family.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, he had so many 180 degree reverses. Not on who he was working with or whatever, but on some fundamental policies.

[Jack Armstrong]

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He will shoehorn in a Joy Behar

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I hope you didn't pay for the Conor McGregor fight on Saturday night. It lasted about 35 seconds. Classic. The mind is willing, but the body is not. He's 38 years old and tried to kick a guy in the head. Like the first second he tried to do one of his big giant kicks and then he just kept falling down and limping around and he tapped out like in less than a minute.

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[Jack Armstrong]

He hurt himself getting surgery today. I just read age is a thing, man. It really is. I'm sure he thought positive.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sure he thought, I've done this out there. 10,000 times. Why can't I kick like that anymore? Because your body is not the same as it was when you were 22 and doing that.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, you weren't here. My. Yeah, we got this text. Hey, Jack, who's that guy in the air with you? He sounds vaguely familiar. Joe Getty. He's been in the radio industry for many years. My son saw Conor McGregor walking down the street in Vegas. I was already in bed. My son was out and about, and he saw because he was training for the fight that was in Vegas over the weekend. And he. Conor McGregor just walking down the street in Vegas does that. He walks just like he does on tv, kind of. His arms sticking out, swaggering. That's his actual walk. I don't know if you swagger as much when you lost in 25 seconds to a guy. So there's a new dating app on UC campuses. There's some Bay Area company AI companies trying to get going. Kind of an interesting idea. Found it a couple of years ago. It just started to take off. Now, instead of scrolling through profiles, you complete a survey that allows the platform's AI to determine matches. New pairings are generated every Wednesday, giving match students a chance to choose a time that works for them both. And according to their own data, which is probably fudged, it has arranged more than 12,000 dates, with 92% of the matched participants saying they wanted to go on a second date, which would be very high.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I read about that when it was just getting going. It's intriguing. There was some skepticism about it, too, but if that percentage is anywhere near clear. True. That's pretty good.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if I would.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

For the past 20 years, we've connected in primitive ways. What, based completely on looks? Yes, that's fairly primitive. But now AI brings your profiles to life as agents. Can human beings get past the choosing just based on looks and start doing the whole AI thing and letting AI choose a mate for them? We'll see.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. There's a lot, I guess, in the questionnaire about the things you like to do. Your hobbies, your interests, your attitudes, and

[Jack Armstrong]

is he hot or not?

[Joe Getty]

The skepticism I ran into is that that's never really been the way we've chosen mates.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, it's not.

[Joe Getty]

It's a mysterious project, you know, product of genetics and sensing things in each other. It's probably pheromones involved. I mean, my wife and I have a couple of things in common.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

But we best friends.

[Jack Armstrong]

We should talk about that more later because that's one of the things I noticed my brief period of online dating. We will talk about that later. We got other stuff to get to though.

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[Jack Armstrong]

25 year old Sam Farber tried to

[Joe Getty]

break a Guinness World record For the

[Sports Announcer]

fastest 10 meter walk while holding a

[Jack Armstrong]

balloon between his knees. The current record is 3.91 seconds. Seconds. Barbara did beat the record coming in 3.5 seconds. I feel like somebody in this building

[Sports Announcer]

could probably give it a run tonight.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michelangelo's take was the Guinness Book of World Records needs to go away. I think you're right.

[Joe Getty]

Right? That's just, it's idiotic. Look, you get a hundred records, you pick them. Yeah, but just 110 meter balloon walking ain't gonna make the grade, I'm guessing.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Joe, as you know, was on vacation. Two weeks, I mentioned it a million times, celebrating his anniversary. He's in Alaska. He was actually that guy that got flipped by the bison. If you've seen the video.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the swelling's starting to go down. Thank God he's okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank goodness.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, here's the number everybody wants to know. Three. Three solid pounds I gained, but only three.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's not bad.

[Joe Getty]

It's not terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, it's not.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy. When I got on the scale this morning, I was thinking, all right, look, brace yourself, take it like a man. Do what needs to be done. It'll be okay. I wasn't happy about it, but it was fine. Might even be a little encouraging.

[Jack Armstrong]

Like you can, you could live a pretty out there lifestyle and ain't gonna do much damage.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, I hadn't thought of it like that. Yeah, it was just the food was so good. So for those who don't know, how many times do you live.

[Sports Announcer]

That's a really good point.

[Joe Getty]

As a non Buddhist. So my college sweetheart and I have been married for 40 years and so we celebrated our anniversary with a cruise. Due to the nature of this job, Jack and I don't take long breaks much. It's not like I've risen up in the insurance world and I can have Jim cover my big accounts and let me know if something big happens and then go on a safari for three weeks. It's just not the nature of what we do. So we haven't traveled nearly as much as Judy would have liked to. So for our 40th anniversary, I more or less declared that. Not that there was a problem with it, but look, we're taking a two week cruise. We're gone. So good luck. Goodbye. See you suckers. And. And we went off to Alaska, which is every bit as amazing as you have heard landscape wise, just every time you open your eyes you say, oh

[Jack Armstrong]

my God, I still call it Seward's Folly.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I was thinking about that because, oh, I went to so many really interesting, like history lectures on the, on the, the ship or went to museums and that sort of stuff. And, and the swords folly thing, it just, it reminded me of modern politics. Oh, the other side did it. So let's call it stupid.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

It's now widely recognized as the best real estate purchase in the history of humans. But now, no, of course it was swords, but those Republicans are stupid. Anyway, it's, it's unbelievably beautiful. Plus a buffer against, plus a buffer

[Jack Armstrong]

against the Soviet Union and Russia, which is important.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah. And you know, as lovely as whale oil was back in the day, although, oh God, the history of whaling, so gross, so terrible. We had no idea the mineral resources that were in Alaska when it was bought. I mean it was a good idea that at the time it turned out to be an unbelievably good idea. But the one thing you get the takeaway from Alaska is how vast it is because we did really the southeastern Alaska, Alaska coast. And if you look at a map, Alaska is this enormous land mass. And then you say, oh, look at that. It kind of, we took some of the coast that looks like it ought to be Canada, but that's part of Alaska.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

Huh?

[Joe Getty]

Well, that little like appendix, that little vestigial tale of Alaska is an enormous wilderness. It's huge. The big part of Alaska, you can't even comprehend how big it is. It's three times the size of Texas. Roughly. Roughly. Wow, three times as big as Texas. Yeah, yeah. And it's just, it's so beautiful and so rich in resources and animals and you name it. And like we were in Seward, Alaska at one point. Oh, and that was, I mentioned this Friday. I was on the last half hour of the show showing what a trooper I am, exhausted from an all night flight. But we, we did a super cool, I guess that was a kayak tour that we did. And the guide pointed out, he said, all right, you see those mountain. He said, we've, we've got 14 miles of road in this town, essentially. He said, anything past right there is complete wilderness there. There are no trails, there are no roads, there are no cabins, there's nothing. It's just wilderness. And that continues for roughly 800 miles in that direction. He said, I mean it's just all unbelievable. It's you and the bears out there. So anyway, it's just. It's miraculously beautiful. A lot of these little towns really only exist now because of tourism, I'm sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

There.

[Joe Getty]

There ain't no whaling. There ain't no gold rush. All the horrors have left the. The. The bordellos that they like to talk about because it's cute and people giggle. Nothing cuter than the bordello, I've always said.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nothing core cuter than a woman desperate enough to sell her body for money. Yeah, that is old for the kids.

[Joe Getty]

Old timey desperation. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. The gold rush stuff, super interesting, though. Oh, the number of who headed up into the frozen tundra and ended up freezing to death and had to haul gear up mountains full of snow, and then none of them got gold. And I was reminded of the. The old saying, man, if there's a. If there's a gold rush or an anything rush, don't go for what the. You harvest the miners, not the gold.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. Don't like Levi Strauss figured out, don't go for the gold. Sell them jeans. So anyway. But the history of it is super interesting, and it reminded me of a time when, you know, people in general and Americans would just toss aside everything and go off on an unbelievable adventure in a search for success and some material comfort. So it was really cool. And I ate a lot and drank like a fish.

[Jack Armstrong]

So when that bison flipped you in the air, were you thinking, well, let's back up. When you were running around the trees.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the bison was chasing you, what were you thinking?

[Joe Getty]

So far, so good. You know, he's big, but he's a little clumsy. I've got a good leader. And then, you know, he went right through the trees, ass over teach, around the sky, the ground, and thought, this is gonna. This is gonna end badly.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think my thought would have been, when I land, is the thing gonna gore me to death or is it gonna run off? Because that. That the real decision part to me is when you come down to the ground, is it done with me, or is it that when things get really ugly.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

What?

[Joe Getty]

Michael, I know that look on your face. What do you want to say? No, just your lack of foot speed in that video was amazing. Hey, I'm old. I've been eating a lot. Oh, yeah. Oh. To his credit, the professional photographer who's taking the video that we've all enjoyed 78 times in the last 48 hours, he said when the guy went down, he ran over and started yelling at the bison because he thought it was gonna Gore the fella.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

So he tried to, you know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he.

[Joe Getty]

You know what? He got us some good video and then he did the right thing. So kudos to him. So I, as you noticed, perhaps, I'm wearing a Alaska themed T shirt here from the scenic and musically named Metlakatla, Alaska, which is the only Indian reservation, Native American reservation in Alaska. I bought four Alaska T shirts. That's almost the only swag I bought. I need four more T shirts. Like, I need an 11th finger. I don't know what I would do with it. You know, where would you put it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Between your thumb and your pointing finger.

[Joe Getty]

You know, that's a good question. Probably like a second pinky to really grasp stuff. Or if.

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[Joe Getty]

Could you get another thumb? A thumb on the other side? Can you imagine about.

[Jack Armstrong]

On your forehead?

[Joe Getty]

No, no, that's disgusting. Anyway, but I bought the T shirts, and the only other swag I bought were a couple of knives. And I've got a. I'm gonna get you a copy of this guy's card, Jack, AK Rod. He was cop in the lower 48. He resettled in Alaska. He and his family run a store. But he makes knives. And they're gorgeous and they're amazing. I mean, everything from a little paring knife. Rod up in Alaska sold me a couple of knives that we can use to surf charcuterie.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Getty]

Cheese knives and a little paring knife in pretty colors. I could tell he respected me, but. So I buy these beautiful knives. And again, I know you're more of a knife guy than me, but they. They range from like a Crocodile Dundee. Boy, there's an old reference. Now, that's a knife. Giant knives to, you know, steak knives to paring knives. But he hand makes them with compressed woods and they're. They're stained different colors, just gorgeous. But. So I buy a couple of these knives. Well, you have to check them with security as you get on the cruise ship because you can't bring a weapon on board. So they take it from you. They fill out a receipt, you sign it, blah, blah, blah. Then you give it to them. Then less than two effing hours later, right? You can guess the rest. I'm sitting at the table cutting into a nice juicy steak with the giant knife they've given me to do so. Which was a way more capable weapon of mayhem than the little knives I bought. What the. Just more security theater, lawyers. Exactly. It says you can't bring a weapon onto the ship. I get that, okay? But it's Just ridiculous.

[Jack Armstrong]

How many people live in Alaska? Do you know the total population?

[Joe Getty]

140. You know what? I don't remember. It's not many. Anchorage was bigger than I thought. We did not make it to Anchorage, but it's. It's six figures, but it's by far the biggest city in Alaska.

[Tony Ayo]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

Wow. So go to ruffgreens.com, use that promo code Armstrong. They'll send you a free Jumpstart trial bag. You just cover the shipping. You try it, see what you think. See what your dog thinks all about nutrition and happiness and health and long life from the inside out. Rough Greens, all sorts of great, you know, stuff to reduce oxidative stress and help your dog stay active, mobile, and alert. Roughgreens.com use that promo code Armstrong. The reason the population.

[Jack Armstrong]

A reason I brought up the population of Alaska was this political movement that's going kind of being pushed by the socialist crowd of the population of. I think it was North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and Alaska is less than New York, for instance. And they. And that allow. How many states was that? That's 12 U.S. senators for a population less than one city. That doesn't make any sense. Which is kind of an interesting conversation to have. Alaska's population is 740,000 for that big, giant space. 740,000 people in that enormous, enormous space.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. The interesting part, and I think I may have mentioned this Friday, is that all these towns that you may have heard of, if you're a little bit into geography, as we both are, you know, Seward and Sitka, Juneau's the capital, they all have, like, a few thousand people in them. You've only heard of them because that's the only towns there are. And it's the opposite of, you know, the show has been based out of Sacramento, California for years and years and years. And SAC always gets overlooked because you got the Bay Area and Los Angeles. But Sacramento metropolitan area is well over 2 million people. And everybody's like, oh, is that. That's in, what, Northern California? Nobody knows about it, but a lot of people have heard of Sitka, Alaska, Sitka Spruce and the rest of it. But these towns are tiny.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's kind of an interesting topic, though, and I'm against this, but Dakota's Wyoming, Nebraska and Alaska combined. Ten senators representing them. New York gets to the state of New York has New York City. The argument as to why, you know, if you're mad, get it mad at James Madison. I don't know who first came up with that idea, but it's kind of interesting on its own. Among other things, we'll talk about counterintuitive look at why this is actually bad for Ukraine that Lindsey Graham's aorta gave out on him. You would think it was, I'm sorry, not the reason you think it's bad for Ukraine that Lindsey Graham was going to argue for more weapons and now you don't have that voice. It's not that at all, which I think is actually correct. So stay tuned for that.

[Joe Getty]

Among other things, Armstrong and Gettysburg Summer

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Morgan Rogers Rodgers lets fly. It's 21 England. Bellingham's there once again on the follow up Morgan Rogers shot spilt by Neyland.

[Jack Armstrong]

England's on a rock roll man. Very exciting. Down to the final four in World cup, but I'm actually into soccer for the first time in my life for

[Joe Getty]

some reason, England needs something to root for as they die as a country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have some breaking news around the whole Iran thing and I need to nail down where this is coming from. Mark Halpern has it breaking news on his Twitter feed breaking us to take over straight of Hormuz. According to who. Who announced that? Trump says. Look, Trump says a 20% toll will be charged on all cargo. I'm sure he made that up off the top of his head. We're going to take over the strait of Hormuz. 20% toll charge on all cargo. US military will blockade all Iranian shipping. That's the very latest. So. All right, get that as any details come out. That's John Bolton's arguing to take the straight in the Wall Street Journal today. The New York Times doesn't argue for it. So Much as just saying that's pretty much the only option left for what we can do to end this thing. And Trump might be aware of that. Wow, that's going to be a big deal if we do that.

[Lindsey Graham (clips)]

Whoa.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the former CENTCOM commander yesterday, we're going to play that a little bit later. He's arguing yesterday that we need to take. It seems like the. The voices are piling up and the fact that there are no other options.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Again, I ask what will that look like? But I don't see another option.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Lindsey Graham died over the weekend, Senator from South Carolina. And one of the reasons that's a big deal is he was the hawkish hockeyest of the hawks out there in terms of promoting, you know, foreign policy by war to make the world a better place all around the world, for better or worse. And he was certainly a hawk on Iran and taking on Putin. In fact, he'd just gotten back from Kiev right before he dropped dead and was happy with some new direction. Some stuff was going. I don't know if you caught this while you were on vacation. Trump announced after talking to Zelensky that they can make their own Patriot missiles. So we're giving them that technology and they'll have the best air defense system on planet Earth. Did you catch Zelensky's joke from the NATO summit? That was. That was a good one.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think so.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Trump sitting there with Zelensky taking questions and had gotten on the phone with Putin. And Trump's sitting there and saying, so Putin says he wants to meet. He wants to meet. I know you guys don't like each other. He said, you can meet in Moscow. Would you meet in Moscow? Probably not. And Zelensky said, I don't know. Moscow is very dangerous. There's very many Ukrainian drones there. I mean, they hit on oil refinery in Siberia like a thousand miles away and blew it up. So they're. So you add that in with these Patriot missiles and Ukraine is definitely on the front foot. And here's Mark Halperin's counterintuitive on why Lindsey Graham dying is bad news for Ukraine. Not because he was such a forceful proponent of arming Ukraine, because he was the only guy like the old. Only Nixon could go to China. Nixon had such anti communist credibility built up over so many decades that he could go to China and try to deal with them without people saying, oh, he's a commie. Lindsey Graham was the only guy, according to Mark Halpern on Earth that Zelensky would have believed or listened to could come to him and say, I think this is gonna good a deal as you're gonna get. You should give up the territory and make a deal here. Oh, and that's probably true because he was such a hawk for so long on supporting Ukraine. If, if Lindsey Graham came in and sat down and said, you know how I feel about it. You know how much I hate Putin. This is as good as it's gonna get. Zelinsky to listen to him and there's nobody to take that role.

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[Joe Getty]

Wow, wow, wow. Maybe Marco. But yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Twists and turns of history. It's amazing.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you got these really pieces of garbage. That's unnecessarily harsh. You got these completely useless ancient senators who live forever. Why so Lindsey Graham. Gotta go.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, we'll answer why do bad things happen to good people next hour.

[Joe Getty]

Stay with us. I actually do want to get to the topic of soft on crime policies and how completely insane they are. I mean, they're more nuts than you think they are. When you look at who is most likely to hurt you, kill you, take your stuff, rape your daughter, et cetera, we know who these people are and we know what to do about them. And the Marxists who want to turn them loose on the street, they're, they're just, they're a menace.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gotta dig into this so called breaking news that the United States is going to open the straight and charge a 20% toll to everyone.

[Joe Getty]

Are we cover the expense? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wonder how Pete feels about that. Pete Hegseth. Does he say, sure, we can do that? Or is he saying, whoa, whoa. This is going to be quite the project. I want you to know what you're getting into here.

[Joe Getty]

I hope both.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, a lot on the way and breaking as we talk. If you miss a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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