He Probably Keeps Her Barefoot, Pregnant & Without A Parachute

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "He Probably Keeps Her Barefoot, Pregnant & Without A Parachute"

Date: April 9, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into global and domestic tensions, with a primary focus on the ongoing Strait of Hormuz crisis following recent U.S.–Iran conflict and the complexities of geopolitical power over global shipping lanes. The hosts also discuss the ever-expanding acronym for marginalized groups, the usage of identity language, and the effect of changing terms in society. Throughout, Armstrong & Getty maintain their trademark sardonic humor, with diversions into cultural observations—including eye-rolling in relationships, reaction to Springsteen’s politics, and lighter fare like choosing astronaut wakeup songs.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Strait of Hormuz Crisis and Geopolitical Fallout

Key Context:

• The Strait of Hormuz remains a major global flashpoint, with Iran claiming control and limiting maritime passage, even as the U.S. claims a ceasefire is holding.

Key Points:

• Four vessels made it through the Strait, the fewest since war began, contradicting claims that it is “open.”
  (01:15)
• Iran is now requiring ships to check in, charging tolls ("in Bitcoin or Trump crypto")—an unprecedented shift in global maritime norms.
  (02:38)
• The U.S. is at risk of losing its status as guarantor of free maritime navigation, a role held since WWII.
  (03:33)
• Fears are raised that letting Iran’s actions stand may inspire other authoritarian regimes (e.g., China with Taiwan, North Korea with South Korean ports) to impose their own tolls or blockades.
  (04:15 - 06:10)

Memorable Quote:

"It's so enormous. And to lose it would be an incredible shock to the world economy."
— Jack Armstrong (03:47)

• Richard Haas (through paraphrase): The U.S. should consider a complete blockade, not just trying to open the Strait for shipping.
  (05:07)

2. Confusion and Irony in Negotiations (Iran, U.S., Israel)

• Both sides accuse each other of bad faith, with the U.S. and Iran differing fundamentally about the terms of any deal ("We haven’t even agreed on what the ends of the deal are.")
  (02:09)
• J.D. Vance metaphor about uranium enrichment: likening Iran’s claim to the right to enrichment to his wife’s right to skydive (implying rights versus actions).
  (08:23)

Memorable Sequence:

"She and I have an agreement that she’s not going to do that ... We don’t really concern ourselves with what they claim they have the right to do. We concern ourselves with what they actually do."
— Michael, paraphrasing Vance (08:23)

• Hosts mock the metaphor, joking Vance keeps his wife, "barefoot and pregnant... and without a parachute." (09:52 – 10:05)
• Iran’s skill at drawing out negotiations and playing the international community is emphasized.
  (09:26)

3. Expanding Identity Acronyms & Social Language

• Discussion of "MMIWG2SLGBTQIA+" (Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, Girls, Two Spirit, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual, Plus) from Canadian politics.
  (12:06 – 13:05)
• Hosts argue that the ever-growing acronym is less about inclusivity and more about enforcing social obedience to current norms.
  (13:27 - 14:49)

Memorable Quote:

"...you obey them by memorizing all those letters to show you're down with it. And if you're not, they can call you a bigot, which means they can kick you out of power or whatever. It's a weapon of takeover, all of this postmodernism crap."
— Jack Armstrong (13:27)

• They compare the pressure to use correct terminology to language obedience during Mao's Cultural Revolution in China ("It wasn’t about the term, it was about your obedience.")
  (14:19)

Fun Segment: The Role of Eye-Rolling in Relationships

• Eye-rolling is purportedly an “ultimate sign of contempt” in marriages, but the hosts find this overstated—context matters.
  (15:22 - 16:14)

4. Media Narratives & Outcomes of the Iran Conflict

• Rapid-fire review of headlines/lens on the U.S.–Iran war’s aftermath:

  • Editorial Board of the Journal: “Trump declares premature victory in Iran.”
  • “Iran tightens its grip on Hormuz despite ceasefire.”
  • “Why Iran thinks it won the war” — surviving, keeping uranium, controlling the Strait.
  • Atlantic Council: “Unless... freedom of navigation and a resolution of Iran’s nuclear program [occur], this tactical victory will be a strategic loss.”
    (18:55 - 22:05)
  • Eli Lake: “Trump’s madman act delivers in Iran... America’s won twice.” (contrarian view)
  • Free Press: Iranian civilians may have wanted the U.S. to "finish the job" and remove the regime.
    (23:39 - 24:15)

• Overarching uncertainty remains: Iran lost much militarily but gained strategic leverage; the U.S. risks loss of credibility as global enforcer of maritime law.

• The complexity and uncertainty ("fog of peace") make outcomes hard to assess ("Hollow mirrors shrouded in fog.")
  (25:53)

Memorable Quote:

"Meanwhile, the Strait of Hormuz... is a strait where the US Navy has to ask permission for passage. That dog won't hunt."
— Aaron McLean, paraphrased by hosts (25:46)

5. U.S. Domestic & Political Sidebar

• Briefly criticize President Biden (and Wilson) as possibly among “the worst presidents in American history,” citing inflation, decline in respect, "woke apocalypse," and senility.
• Jokes about the cyclical nature of presidential handling of Iran dispute: Iran simply waits for a new U.S. president.
  (27:05 - 27:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Toll for Global Shipping (03:33):
  "On the entire planet it has been the United States saying all shipping lanes are open. If you try to do anything different than that, we're going to come kick your ass."
  — Jack Armstrong

• On Expanding Acronyms (13:27):
  (See above quote about “weapon of takeover”)

• Mocking Political Metaphors (09:52):
  "Yeah, she's a part of the whole Handmaid's Tale thing ... Probably keeps her barefoot and pregnant, huh? And without a parachute."
  — Armstrong & Getty riffing on JD Vance

• Cultural Revolution Comparison (14:19):
  "It happened during the Cultural Revolution under Mao ... where the language had changed so much ... so that you could be on the right side of things."

• Rational vs. Emotional Politics (34:19):
  "One side is rational and the other is emotional in their views of the world. We, the rational, certainly have emotions."
  — Jack Armstrong

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Fun & Lighter Segments

• Springsteen & Politics (31:13 – 34:17):

  • Listener criticism over attending a Springsteen concert due to his liberal politics.
  • Hosts note that being on the political right means learning to “roll your eyes” at left-leaning artists, while the reverse is rarely true.
  • Discussion on art vs. artist and tolerating differing views for the sake of musical enjoyment.

  Memorable Quote:
  "Artists are whack jobs. Well, see, that's one of my multi-part answers."
  — Joe Getty (31:58)

• Astronaut Wakeup Songs Challenge (35:13):

  • Katie: "Feeling This" by Blink-182
  • Michael: "Total Eclipse of the Heart" by Bonnie Tyler (everyone suspects trolling)
  • Joe Getty: AC/DC for moon missions
  • Jack Armstrong: World Party’s "Way Down Now"

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:15] – Strait of Hormuz Update & Irony of Navigational “Opening”
• [02:38] – Iran Charging Tolls for Passage
• [03:33] – Historical U.S. Role in Free Maritime Navigation
• [08:23] – JD Vance ‘Skydive’ Metaphor on Uranium Enrichment
• [12:06] – Discussion of “MMIWG2SLGBTQIA+” Canadian Discourse
• [13:27] – Critique of Expanding Identity Acronyms
• [15:22] – Eye-Rolling and Marital Contempt
• [18:55] – Review of Column Headlines and Views on Who Won/Lost Iran War
• [25:53] – Strategic Uncertainty: "Hollow Mirrors Shrouded in Fog"
• [31:13] – Attending Springsteen Show Despite Politics
• [35:13] – Wakeup Song Picks for Astronauts

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Episode Tone

• Cynical, sardonic, and irreverent as Armstrong & Getty apply biting humor to both world events and culture wars.
• Nuanced, with moments of genuine concern over global security, counterbalanced by outright mockery of political gamesmanship and societal fads.

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Conclusion

This is a classic Armstrong & Getty episode, blending sharp analysis of high-stakes geopolitical shifts with commentary on contemporary cultural debates—sprinkled with characteristic snark and comic relief. The stakes of the Strait of Hormuz conflict are laid bare, as are the social tensions around evolving identity language and the power struggles of U.S. politics. Listeners are left with food for thought and plenty of laughter, whether the topic is world peace or AC/DC wakeup calls on the moon.

Transcript

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[News Reporter]

There is a lot of focus today on the Strait of Hormuz. Yesterday, four vessels were allowed to pass through, but the Iranians are still saying publicly they're in control of the strait and that it is closed. Right now, vessels have to check in with the Iranian military and other reports indicate they'd like to charge a toll for vessels to pass through this critical thoroughfare.

[Joe Getty]

Four vessels passed through. That's the fewest number of vessels passing through the strait since the war began. So it got less closed. The day it was announced it was open, it got less closed. I mean, less open than it had been the entire time.

[Jack Armstrong]

So is that irony inaccuracy?

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's a head spinner.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's ABC News on where Trump is on this.

[News Reporter]

The White House says that this cease fire is holding, but right now, President Trump's main condition for this truce is not being met. The Strait of Hormuz remains closed as Iran is accusing the US of not holding up its end of the deal.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So at least we're admitting that the Strait is closed.

[Joe Getty]

And then to say they're not holding up their end of the deal is,

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, both sides are saying that about the other, but we haven't even agreed on what the ends of the deal are. For instance, does Israel have to stop attacking Hezbollah in Lebanon? Iran says, of course, of course, the ceasefire is a ceasefire. And the US And Israel are like, no, that has nothing to do with what we're talking.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So I just read this from Noah

[Jack Armstrong]

Rothman of the National Review. I thought it was interesting about the straight being closed or, or the fact

[Joe Getty]

that Iran is now charging a toll.

[Jack Armstrong]

You have to, you email them and say, this is the ship I want to send through, this is the cargo. And then they, they calculate what it'll cost and it's going to be, you know, a couple million dollars.

[Joe Getty]

And then you Send it to them

[Jack Armstrong]

in Bitcoin or Trump crypto.

Oh boy.

[Joe Getty]

And then they let your boat go through. And Noah Rothman writes, this has become a unilateral ceasefire with Washington alone abiding by its top line terms. Washington has every reason to believe that Iran cannot throttle its own economic lifeline for long. And the strait is not closed in a conventional sense. But it has not relieved any pressure on it, remains apparently committed to extorting shipping and is attempting to expand the scope of this temporary pause to include. To include Hezbollah. The consequences of letting the status quo persist are grave. The US would effectively cede its role as a guarantor of global maritime navigation rights, which we have done since the

[Jack Armstrong]

end of World War II. On the entire planet it has been

[Joe Getty]

the United States saying all shipping lanes are open.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you try to do anything different

[Joe Getty]

than that, we're going to come kick your ass.

[Jack Armstrong]

And nobody's even really tried.

And I would point out to folks who have through the years, in a knee jerky way saying, why do we have to be the world's policemen? It's not like you don't have a point at all. But the enormous benefit we all have gotten from that free navigation and free trade is you can't even quantify it. It's so enormous. And to lose it would be an incredible shock to the world economy.

[Joe Getty]

The world would then make its own separate arrangements and spheres of influence would naturally arise. Beijing will be tempted to test the premise of this by contesting the waterway there.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's the Straight of Gibraltar.

[Joe Getty]

I can't say the word. The strait that goes between Taiwan and China.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're going to be tempted to try Taiwan.

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Is it the straight Taiwan. Where's the straight?

[Jack Armstrong]

Gibraltar? Spain.

I'm glad it's not involved because I

cannot say Southern Europe and Africa. Yeah, it's not involved. You're off the hook.

Thank God it's not involved.

[Joe Getty]

If we're involved, I'd have to quit my job. If the Straight of Hormuz were the Strait of Gibraltar, I'd have to quit

[Jack Armstrong]

the unilateral Gibraltar agreement. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Jack would just have to retire anyway. China is going to be tempted to at least test the premise of whether or not this is something you can do and nobody comes and stops you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure.

[Joe Getty]

Which at all. But ensure a soft or hard blockade of Taiwan, which would be horrible obviously, but yeah. I mean either. Either either force is going to come down and say you can't be closing straits and charging tolls or the world US in Europe are going to say, well, I guess there's not much we can do about it now. I was just watching Richard Haas, who's one of your think tank guys on foreign policy, retired, but he was on MSNBC and he said, I don't understand why we haven't blockaded the strait. Because. Not go in there and try to open it up for shipping, but close it completely. Because currently Iran has made more money the last month than they made prior to the attack with shipping stuff through the straight. Why haven't we put ships on the, on one end of it and just no ships are going through?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

So you're not getting any ships through either.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And, and then the pressure that would put on China and India and Europe's already got pressure to, to open this thing back up. Why, why is that? Seems like an obvious fix. Must be something I'm missing there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could be, yeah. I'm, I'm completely mystified by Trump's thinking in this. I don't, I just don't know what the strategy is, honestly. And I, I wonder whether he does. But back to the no Rothman's theme. I'm picturing Kim Jong Un breaking out a map of the Korean peninsula and the range of his various weapons systems, thinking, yeah, anybody wants to go in and out of the ports of South Korea, it's got to pay me a toll. It's half my peninsula too. I mean, you could see this just, just metastasized around the world.

New Orleans, the Mississippi River. Hey, Midwest, you want to get some

[Joe Getty]

wheat down out into the Gulf, Better pay a toll.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of the Midwest, people who are boating, tubing, water skiing in the Midwest are getting the crap beat out of them by fish. These invasive Asian flying carp that if they get spooked, they jump up, like to up to 15ft high in the air. Boating has become incredibly dangerous in parts of the Midwest because you're, you know, you're cranking along at 20 knots or whatever and you get hit in the head by a 30 pound fish will knock you cold, knock your teeth out.

[Joe Getty]

Coming up after the break, Katie has

[Jack Armstrong]

nailed down all the letters in the new MMI.

WG2SLGP TQQ I A plus.

Yes, you heard correctly. They've added like 10 letters. And so after the break, Katie's gonna let us know what all the letters

[Joe Getty]

mean and we're all going to memorize them and use them to be good.

[Jack Armstrong]

M, m, I, W, G2SL, G, B,

[Joe Getty]

T, Q, QIA Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Want to be good. Members of the community. So we will learn all those.

[Joe Getty]

I want to get this on before

[Jack Armstrong]

we take a break though, because I think this is so Points of contention with Iran include opening the Strait of

[Joe Getty]

Hormuz and they stop with the trying

[Jack Armstrong]

to get a nuclear weapon and they stop trying to enrich uranium.

[Joe Getty]

Iran announced yesterday they will not give up their right to enrich uranium. JD Vance attempted to spin that as okay with this. Clip 56 Michael

[Michael]

the second thing Golubov said, which again I found fascinating, is he said we refuse to give up the right to enrichment. And I thought to myself, you know what? My wife has the right to skydive, but she doesn't jump out of an airplane because she and I have an agreement that she's not going to do that because I don't want my wife jumping out of an airplane. We don't really concern ourselves with what they claim they have the right to do. We concern ourselves with what they actually do. And I think the President has been very clear on the enrichment question. Our position on that has not changed.

[Jack Armstrong]

I get it. It's an interesting metaphor.

[Joe Getty]

It's just, I don't get it. The point of the deal is we're saying you don't get to enrich uranium. They're saying we're going to enrich uranium.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, they're saying we have the right to. And we say, yeah, okay, you have the right to, and if you do, we're going to beat the hell out of you. That's a weird word game and ridiculous.

Yes, that's a very weird, childish word game.

Yes. And it's just another example of the Iranians great skill at stringing along negotiations and waiting for the next Joe Biden to come into office or Barack Obama. Then they, having asserted their right to, you know, enrich uranium, will insist that they're about to and they'll do it and the next Obama will let them.

[Joe Getty]

So it seems that J.D. vance's wife would like to skydive, but he won't let her.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

Yeah, she's part of the whole Handmaid tail thing.

Sure, sure. That's it. Yes. Probably keeps her barefoot and pregnant, huh?

And without a parachute.

Right, right.

Not allowed to skydive.

And clearly dreams, dreams of plunging out of the sky, but he won't let her.

I don't know. I. I feel like they're trying to

[Joe Getty]

wiggle out of signing a deal while the other side says, yeah, we're going to keep doing all the things we

[Jack Armstrong]

were going to do.

F you, we won this, we won, we survived we control the straight. We're going to get richer and we're going to keep doing all the stuff.

[Joe Getty]

And you just signed a piece of paper that says we have the right

[Jack Armstrong]

to enrich uranium and we don't think

you have the guts to take us out, so. Right, yeah, that's what they're saying. That's their posturing right now. All right.

Wwmia. Lgbtqia.

[Joe Getty]

What do all those mean?

[Jack Armstrong]

You left out one of the Q's.

[Joe Getty]

Bigot. We'll get that.

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[Jack Armstrong]

We'll get that when we come back.

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[Joe Getty]

So back in the day when we

[Jack Armstrong]

first started this, it was lbg, right? Lesbian Gay Community.

Lgb. Yeah.

Lesbian, Gay by. Yeah, lgb. Lgb. For.

[Joe Getty]

For quite a while.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

And then the T came along which got everything quite confusing. Then they started adding letters, as we all know. Well, now we've got a whole bunch of letters. At least this lady up in Canada that we played earlier had a whole bunch of letters.

[Katie]

This is getting excessive.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think you may have misgendered him, her, them, they or something. I don't know. Why don't we go ahead and play that for folks just tuning in. 12. Michael.

[News Reporter]

When the budget was released, I was shocked to find out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between Indigenous Services Canada and Crown Indigenous Relations. They provided $0 to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQIA. This is abhorrent.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's a genocide against my sexual orientation thing.

What? Oh, it rallies people to the cause, which I want to talk about in a minute. But Mike, the lawyer from Chicago with the comment of the day. How can there be a genocide if people don't even know what the hell it means? I was told to go out and round up all of these people. I wouldn't know where to start. Well, that's why we have tasked Katie with figuring out what MMIWG2SLGBTQIA stands for.

Okay. So we can be good people. And we know this. What is it?

[Katie]

Okay. Missing and murdered indigenous women, Girls2Spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender queer, questioning intersex, asexual plus.

[Joe Getty]

What's the plus for at this point, who's. Who's not included.

[Katie]

That means that this list is not

[Jack Armstrong]

over there, it's incomplete. Yeah, but I'm asking, are there three more or 30 more? Here's the key to this. And these people absolutely missing and murdered indigenous women and girls and all the other things. Here's the key to this. And this is what you have to understand. And this is what we've been preaching about for quite some time. The point is not that all of those people need your consciousness. The point is that, that you obey them by memorizing all those letters to show you're down with it. And if you're not, they can call you a bigot, which means they can kick you out of power or whatever. It's a. It's a weapon of takeover, all of this postmodernism crap. That's why it exists, to keep you afraid of being called a bigot.

It happened during the Cultural Revolution under Mao in China in the late 60s, early 70s. Also, where the language had changed so much as reading about how people would get up sometimes and read the company newsletter, the communist newsletter, to find out what the new term was for various things so that you could be on the right side of things.

And you didn't dare use even yesterday's term. That was the important. You better use this term yesterday because it wasn't about the term, it was about your obedience.

Yeah, we've been doing that for years. We just didn't quite catch on to what was going on when it was

[Joe Getty]

black,

[Jack Armstrong]

Negro, colored, African American, you know, all those. It would change. And then you had to be on the right side of the new change.

Right, Exactly.

So when I asked if Katie could, I said, katie, here's a homework assignment for you to look up all those letters. And Joe said, she rolled her eyes. And that reminded me having a conversation with some of the other day, and

I remember talking about this while back,

that they had determined that the eye roll is the ultimate sign of contempt in a relationship. If you're married, if you ever roll your eyes at your spouse, you're like beyond repair. Or if your spouse ever rolls their eyes at you, you're like, you're. You're end up probably can't fix it territory.

That sounds overstated to me. I would say more like understand that's throwing a harder punch than you might realize.

[Joe Getty]

You.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, when, when I, when, when I was discussing this the other day, I

[Joe Getty]

feel like there are topics where you

[Jack Armstrong]

could get a right with an hour. Like if you have an ongoing running disagreement about a monopoly rule or something like that.

Right.

[Joe Getty]

It's kind of, it's kind of funny that you argue about it. Oh, my God, here we go again.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I was gonna say Judy

and I have playful eye rolls all the time about, you know, teasing each

other, but something serious, an eye roll on something serious would probably be a. That's a.

That's all. Yeah, excellent point, both of you. Well done. Well done. So coming up, some. A number of fascinatingly overlapping, yet differing perspectives on where the Iran conflict is right now and who won or is winning or just any of that.

[Joe Getty]

How does the murdered.

[Jack Armstrong]

How does the murdered community fit in with the current living gay community that, you know, demands rights and respects and, and you know, you can't be discriminated against the world if you're, if you're murdered.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, that's just a different topic of human, isn't it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's. It's a cause up in Canada with the treatment of the indigenous people through the years, a lot of it.

[Joe Getty]

How's that get lumped in with.

[Jack Armstrong]

Same reason they. You have queers for Palestine. You just rope in everything to the omnicause, pretend that it's a moral question. And actually soft heads like that, that MP probably think it is a moral question. They don't know they're being used by the Marxists. But yeah. And you convince people that to be on the right side of this is to obey our take on it, and they just keep finding causes to rope into the Omni cause.

Yes.

[Katie]

Katie, you sound like a bigot for questioning it.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do.

Oh, absolutely. And I have a white supremacist lawn too, as we discussed last hour.

[Listener]

Ooh, that's unkind.

[Joe Getty]

Straight of Hormuz opened yesterday. How many oil tankers went through? 0.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not actually open, it's closed. We'll have more on the latest of that at some point in the show. Also, if you missed a segment, get the podcast.

[Joe Getty]

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[White House Spokesperson]

The President's red lines, namely the end of Iranian enrichment in Iran, have not changed. And the idea that President Trump would ever accept an Iranian wish list as a deal is completely absurd. The President will only make a deal that serves in the best interests of the United States of America.

[Michael]

And.

[White House Spokesperson]

And he is. A negotiating team will focus on this effort over the next two weeks so long as the Strait of Hormuz remains open with no limitations or delays.

[Joe Getty]

When did she say that? Because the strait has not been open

[Jack Armstrong]

at any point, Right.

And then you've got JD Vance saying there are various forms of the 10 point proposal that are fictional. A lot of bad faith propaganda. The Israelis have offered to check themselves in Lebanon. JD said, Give me 58. Michael Netanyahu.

[Listener]

We have more goals to complete and we will achieve them either by agreement or by renewing the fighting. We are prepared to return to fighting at any moment necessary. Our finger is on the trigger.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so where are we? Who's ahead, who's behind, who's won, who's lost? I went through all sorts of media and think tanky stuff and my favorite publications before the show. And I'm just going to read you some headlines and subheads and, excuse me, some of them we can dig into. Editorial board of the Journal. Trump declares premature victory in Iran. Tehran is still a threat to the strait and may retain enriched uranium. Did the war with Iran that began with a roar end with a whimper?

They want to know on the enriched uranium. So they've got a whole bunch of uranium enriched to 60%, I guess. And I found this kind of humorous because the entirety of the war, which has been going on what, month and a half now, the mainstream media left, cable news channels have been, we still

[Joe Getty]

don't know why we did this. It's a lie that they were close to getting in a nuclear weapon. Now that it looks like there's a possibility Trump's going to allow them to keep the uranium. I noticed on MSNBC they were making a big deal out of 60% enriched is how enriched the uranium was for the bombs we dropped on Japan. That's a date. You cannot allow them to have that. Now that it looks like Trump might

[Jack Armstrong]

let them have it.

[Joe Getty]

So before it was they weren't close

[Jack Armstrong]

to getting a bomb.

[Joe Getty]

Now Trump's a bad guy for letting them keep it. So you can't win with that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, Lord.

All right, a couple more headlines. This is a multi byline piece, also in the Journal. Iran tightens its grip on Hormuz despite ceasefire. Trump demanded opening the strait. Tehran's Revolutionary Guard is limiting ship traffic and charging tolls.

[Joe Getty]

That's a bold move, man. That is. That is some serious cojones. Your idea is, you know what we're gonna do? We're not gonna open it. In fact, we're gonna charge tolls for boats to go through.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Tehran plans to tighten its grip on the world's most important energy shipping lane, etc. As Jack has pointed out, now that it's open, fewer ships are passing through than Ever like none. This from David S. Cloud, why Iran thinks it won the war. Despite huge military losses, the Islamic regime survived and appears to possess a new strategic prize in the Strait of Hormuz. When Iran agreed to a two week ceasefire only hours before, President Trump had vowed to unleash punishing new attacks. It was in many ways a moment of triumph for the battered regime. Tehran emerged from 38 days of war against the US and Israel, having won not only its primary goal, its own survival, but also two potential strategic gains, control of the Strait of Hormuz and a newly established deterrence against large scale attack by its long term adversaries. Keep moving along. This is Jonathan Pannikoff. What victory looks like in Iran. Trump can't negotiate away free movement in the Strait of Hormuz or highly enriched uranium. President Trump's decision to accept a two week cease fire with Iran brought down oil prices. But unless the war concludes with the freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz and a resolution of Iran's nuclear program. I'm sorry, a resolution of the nuclear program. This tactical victory will be a strategic loss. If Trump declares success and walks away, he will accelerate the outcomes he went to war to prevent, further isolate US Allies and leave Iran with advantages it lacked when the conflict began.

[Joe Getty]

Who wrote that one?

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's see. That is Jonathan Panikoff, who is listed as a director of the Atlantic Council. Scowcroft Middle East Security Initiative. Here's holman Jenkins. The U.S. iran war isn't over. Washington advanced, it seems, more than Tehran did. And a ceasefire isn't a permanent settlement.

Yeah, I don't know that. I believe, like, if it all ended today, that Iran comes out better. They lost their navy, they lost tons and tons of, you know, military equipment, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's different for sure, but only time will tell.

Yeah, but in terms of the image

[Joe Getty]

of the United States and our ability

[Jack Armstrong]

to get what we want, that's what

I'd be worried about. Interestingly, Eli Lake, who writes mostly for the Free Press and is a very smart guy who I'm often persuaded by, writes, Trump's madman act delivers in Iran. Now that Trump has postponed his threat to end Iranian civilization, America has won twice. Here's why. President Trump just saved his war in Iran. On Tuesday evening, he announced that the planned bombing of the power plants would be called off for at least two weeks. Phew. While this is only a ceasefire, we just stepped back from the abyss. Now that Trump has postponed his threat to end Iranian civilization, America's won Twice. First, the Iranians agreed to end their attacks on shipping through the strait if the US Military campaign stopped, according to a statement. And then. What's his second point? Oh, man, this is so long. Anyway, he's taking a much more positive view of the. The situation as it stands. But then quickly, two more. Also from the Free Press, Amy Kellogg. My friend in Iran is not happy about the ceasefire. We were on the phone when the news broke. He sighed and wondered if Trump will come back and finish the job. These people want the regime gone. They pray for it nightly.

Yeah, I don't understand why the. Well, I guess I do understand why they don't put this in better context. Whenever you hear the number of civilians that have died in our attacks, we're

[Joe Getty]

still not even close to the number

[Jack Armstrong]

that their own government killed in one

[Joe Getty]

night two months ago. Not even close. So that's why they're okay with that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. And then Aaron McLean writing in the. Also in the Free Press, after the ceasefire, the military scenarios, now that the deadline has been moved back, and it's super interesting, it's a great piece, but it's long again. And his emphasis is, you know, every single aspect of this that we've talked about has, like, three possible outcomes, you know, good, bad and indifferent. And he goes into a bunch of the other regional powers and what they might do. Man. Uncertainty. Mr. Trump's public rhetoric leads one to believe it took him a few weeks to come to terms with the circumstances which he's talking about. The global interconnected economy. And if Asia or Europe or both enter a recession because of the energy shock, eventually that will affect the United States. Meanwhile, the Strait of Hormuz, where Iran calls the shots, is a strait where the US Navy has to ask permission for passage. That dog won't hunt then, he said Mr. Trump's public rhetoric leads one to believe. Took him a few weeks to come to terms with these circumstances. As recently as his White House address last Wednesday, he alternatively stated that other countries that are more dependent on the strait should open it and that those countries shouldn't worry about it as it would open naturally at the end of the conflict. In the very same remarks, he said he would escalate if Iran didn't open the strait. Now, we have paused things at the threshold of door number three. Hollow mirrors shrouded in fog.

Yes, the fog of peace. I've heard it called over the last four days.

Clever. That's clever.

It's very hard to know what's going on. My concern as a U.S. citizen, is Iran not getting a nuclear weapon ever. So I just want to make sure we don't leave them in a position to continue trying to do that. And a lot closer than they ought to be to getting one.

Right, right. I like that thinking. Let's put our goals in order purely in terms of national interest and tick off the most important ones. I'm blow their heads off. That's exactly right. If necessary. I'm a little concerned about where Trump's priorities are as opposed to purely American self interest. I mean, if we cut that deal for sharing the tolls with the Iranians on the Straits of Hormuz. God. Well, I've said enough on that topic. I hate the idea.

I don't think Trump's going to budge on them being able to pursue a nuclear weapon.

[Joe Getty]

Of course, all they got to do

[Jack Armstrong]

is delay for 2 and 3/4 years, then you got a new president.

Like I said earlier, they're waiting for the next Obama or the next Biden.

Yeah, none of this would have happened under Biden or Kamala Harris.

[Joe Getty]

As they got closer and closer to

[Jack Armstrong]

Obama and reports were coming out from

[Joe Getty]

the, for the, from the IAEA that

[Jack Armstrong]

they're now, you know, three weeks away from having a nuclear open or whatever.

Don't. My message is don't.

And they just would have gotten a bomb and then the world would have been quite a bit different.

I need to dig back into the Buchanan administration and Wilson also was an awful, awful human being. I think Biden may be and I think by a good stretch the worst president in American history. If you go through, even in a fairly neutral way, the exploding inflation, the decline of American respect around the world, the, the woke apocalypse just. There's his senility. Obviously. I think he may be the all timer.

Let me hit you with a mind clearing headline before we take a break.

Love that idea.

[Joe Getty]

Woman sneezes Inch long worms out of her nose.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God. Oh Lord. I thought it was gonna be like pleasantly Mind cleric. Why is your head both with our heads in our hands?

Why is your head in your hands, Katie?

[Katie]

Because what part of that did you think was going to clear our minds?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't remember what we were talking about before.

[Katie]

Okay, you know what?

[Joe Getty]

Woman sneezes Inch long worms out of her nose.

[Katie]

It's a party trick.

[Joe Getty]

How she got this biologically implausible infection coming up. How likely is it to happen?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I am, I am putting my foot down. We will not be bringing you that story, not under any circumstances.

[Joe Getty]

And other stuff. See,

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Prosecutors in Florida are now seeking prescription drug records for Tiger woods following his arrest on suspicion of DUI after a car crash. Prosecutors say they plan to issue a subpoena to a pharmacy in Palm Beach. Woods has said he is stepping away from Gulf to seek treatment. He has pleaded not guilty.

[Jack Armstrong]

We might learn a whole lot about Tiger woods lifestyle. It's none of your business. Yeah, idiot became our business when you

[Joe Getty]

started crashing vehicles on public roads.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, so there's a lot of heaviness in the world. And indeed, we have a lot of good stuff to get to that's of a serious nature, including one of the great geopolitical military battles right now is protecting our undersea cables from the Russians and the Chinese, who are finding new ways to cut them and blackmail us all the time. A lot of this is covert because the. The powerful don't want all of us to know and panic. But yeah, there's a. It's a growing problem. Plus, an unbelievable report about NATO trying to come to grips with the new drone reality in the world of military conflict. So all that's coming up. But first, on a lighter note, first of all, we are tasked by Anna Luisa and Sunny La Mesa. She points out it's been a very, very heavy week, and so she's sending a fun Friday challenge for each of us. Jack will actually be off tomorrow, so it's going to be a fun Thursday challenge. The Artemis. Two astronauts each got to pick two Wake up songs. If you were astronauts, which two songs would you choose? You can think about that for a moment. And then I want to point this out. We got Jack mentioned that he and his boys are going to see Bruce Springsteen and. And his E Street Band Monday night, San Francisco. And we got this note from Joe. How could you support a leftist lunatic like Springsteen? And you bring kids. I really don't get it. I can't even stand listening to them in the news. And now you're going to give him money. Wow.

Oh, my God.

And then we got a note from a very, very conservative, longtime listener. Just. It's just to. Well, go ahead if you want to answer that. Although, who says I despise Bruce's politics, but it's one of the best shows I've ever seen. Here are my favorite songs. Blah, blah, blah.

[Joe Getty]

Well, just in general. So if you're gonna go with that. So you just don't go to any movies, listen to any music, buy any music, go to any concerts, unless Chuck Norris is singing. I mean, you really gotta soul in the world. Of entertainment. You don't look at any art. I mean, you really, really have to limit yourself if you're going to not support or take in any art from people whose politics you don't agree with.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because artists are whack jobs.

Well, see, that's one of my multi part answers. Artists are generally whack jobs. Navy Seals seem to be a fairly similar temperament. Likewise musicians and artists. There are exceptions of course, but. So I just think it's part of the trip. Secondly, it does not surprise or offend me that people disagree with me. I've come to expect it. And, and I, I think Bruce is a fool. I think he's a naive, artsy, limousine, liberal fool. But he's a great songwriter and the two things are just very different to me. And I had another point I wanted to make. Oh. I, you know, worrying about giving him money, I mean, no, he's got more money than he could ever spend in 15 lifetimes and his band is great. And I just. Again, I. I think he's a fool. Not. I'm not. Although I've got to admit, Jack, and I'm anxious to hear your experience. I'm not sure I could take the speeches at a concert.

It'll be interesting to see. It'll be interesting to see how far it goes. I'm just gonna, you know, stare at the ceiling and think of mother England or whatever you're supposed to do and,

[Joe Getty]

and wait for him to get right

[Jack Armstrong]

on her wedding night. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Wait for him to get to 10th Avenue.

[Jack Armstrong]

Freeze out.

[Joe Getty]

Wait for the horn section.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's just, that's what I'm gonna do.

[Joe Getty]

I was thinking though, we've discussed this a lot.

[Jack Armstrong]

The difference between people on the right

[Joe Getty]

and people on the left is that if you're on the right, you get used to it. You have to, to live in the world. Because all the teachers at your kids school, every concert you go to, every awards show you ever watch, you know, whatever the media, anything you do, you're going to be surrounded by this and you just have to learn to roll your eyes. I can't ever picture the reverse being true. Can you imagine? It's never happened. But can you imagine if there were a giant. Giant rock star, huge. Who spouted conservative principles in between every song and it would be full of Democrats who just put up with it.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I shouldn't say Democrats.

[Joe Getty]

Progressives who just put up with it. Not a chance. They'd be, they'd be blocking the roads getting to and from the venue to try to Shut the show down. They wouldn't go to it. Yeah, they wouldn't go to it and just roll their eyes. They'd try to stop it from happening in their town.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a pretty big difference.

Well, not. This is not 100. I would never claim that. But one side is rational and the other is emotional. In their views of the world, we, the rational certainly have emotions.

[Joe Getty]

I had not thought this through, but that is certainly the case. If you had somebody equal on the spectrum to the right coming to San Francisco to do a concert, it would get shut down. They would find a way to cause so much mayhem that cars couldn't get there or the bridge shut down or bomb threats like you mentioned or whatever. It wouldn't even go on. You wouldn't be able to pull it off. Be like when you try to have, you know, conservative speakers at UC Berkeley.

[Jack Armstrong]

100. Correct. Yeah. Which says something. Says something powerful.

[Joe Getty]

I think I'm just going to go and roll my eyes with a smirk on my face, like, good Lord, he's

[Jack Armstrong]

old and out of it. All right.

At least one wake up song. Katie, do you have one?

[Katie]

I do. It's feeling this. Blink 182.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, okay. Nice. Michael.

[Joe Getty]

Total Eclipse of the Heart by Bonnie Tyler.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

You're.

You're trolling.

You went.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, I'm famous.

[Jack Armstrong]

You are trolling us. This is. This is insubordination. Jack.

[Joe Getty]

Do they have coffee up there?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I want. AC DC blasting to get me ready for my moon mission.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fabulous. First thing popped to my mind was world parties. Way down. Now, which is the most upbeat song ever about being way down?

[Joe Getty]

Michael goes with a moon themed song or a solar themed song. Oh, that's hilarious. We got more on the way. If you missed a segment, get the podcast.

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