He'd Beat His Balls Up Pretty Good

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "He'd Beat His Balls Up Pretty Good"

Date: November 6, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Length: ~60 min (content summarized: non-commercial sections only)

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Episode Overview

This episode enjoyed a trademark Armstrong & Getty blend of sharp commentary and banter—starting with a lighthearted, in-depth look at the evolution of NFL field goals and pivoting into a substantive, sometimes biting, discussion of the Tucker Carlson/Nick Fuentes controversy and its ripple effects in conservative politics. After diving into the news and a viral animal clip, the show wrapped up with final thoughts tinged with characteristic self-aware humor.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

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1. NFL Field Goals and the Science of "K Balls"

[03:41–14:27]

• Record-Breaking Kicks: The show opens with shock over a recent 68-yard NFL field goal, contrasting it with Tom Dempsey’s legendary 63-yarder in 1970.
  • [03:52] Dave: "Nobody cam. Little caves up big."
  • [04:18] Michael: "Not very many years ago, nobody would have attempted a 68 yard field goal."
• How Kickers Help Themselves: The hosts unpack how old-school NFL kickers used to “beat their balls up pretty good”—soaking, drying, and otherwise distressing footballs (the "K balls") to make them more kickable.
  • [06:33] Michael: "This is news to me... I didn't know they use different balls for kicking than they did for the rest of the game."
• Rule Changes: Since 1999, the NFL has cracked down on ball doctoring. But in 2025, teams now get 60 "K balls" a season and are allowed limited prep, leading to a surge in long field goals.
  • [07:13] Dave: "He would beat his balls up pretty good to work in the leather. Then he'd overinflate them to stretch them out."
  • [08:26] Michael: "If all you have to get to is like the 40 yard line... it's a different sport."
• Sport Evolution: The conversation broadens to how equipment and athlete prowess force sports to constantly adapt. Reductio ad absurdum: if you could hit 90-yard field goals, would something have to change?
  • [10:00] Dave (Latin flourish): "Oh, reductio ad absurdum. If you could make a 90-year, 90-yard field goal... Right, right.”*

2. Football History & Rule Changes

[10:56–14:25]

• Football Origins: With the anniversary of the first college football game, the hosts recall Teddy Roosevelt’s involvement and the sport’s once-deadly reputation before helmets and other safety measures.
  • [11:21] Michael: "He was highly concerned that people were getting all concerned about the number of college football players that were dying on the field."
• From Soccer to Football: The U.S. altered soccer to make it more exciting (i.e., picking up the ball), and the hosts reflect on how sports names and rules evolved, such as the forward pass.
  • [13:34] Michael: “These Euros got nothing better to do... So we almost immediately altered soccer to become the most popular sport in America.”

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3. Conservative Media Meltdown: Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes & Heritage

[14:27–43:54]

• The Core Controversy: The episode’s heart is a deep-dive into the recent uproar after Tucker Carlson hosted Nick Fuentes—a figure with well-documented racist and antisemitic views—on his massive media platform, giving him expansive airtime with minimal challenge.
  • [30:07] Michael: “Jews are running society. Women need to shut the up. Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part and we would live in paradise.” (summarizing Fuentes’ rhetoric)
  • [30:22] Michael: "It's literally that simple."
• Heritage Foundation’s Response: A board member resigned after Heritage’s president, Kevin Roberts, offered only tepid condemnation of Carlson’s platforming of Fuentes, foregrounding free speech and “no cancel culture.”
  • [32:35] Michael: “He comes out and says… we don’t believe in cancel culture...”
  • [33:20] Jack: “He is on day about day three of apologizing for his original statement.”
• Notable Quotes & Letter Excerpts:
  • [36:22] Dave, reading Mark Goldfedder (resigned from Heritage’s antisemitism task force):

    "Elevating [Fuentes] and then attacking those who object as somehow un-American or disloyal... is not the protection of free speech. It is moral collapse disguised as courage..."

  • [34:31] Dave: "He essentially said anybody criticizing that [Tucker/Fuentes] interview was being a bad American and a bad conservative."
• Tucker Carlson’s Logic: Despite personal attacks from Fuentes (including insults toward Tucker’s family), Tucker gave him a huge platform, citing a desire to “talk to everyone” and speculating that Fuentes “can’t be canceled” due to his influence over young men.
  • [39:18] Michael (paraphrasing Tucker): “He’s the most influential voice for men under 30 in the United States. I hope that isn’t true.”
• Cynical Business or Genuine Belief?: Hosts suggest Tucker, Candace Owens, and Fuentes inhabit a “profitable grift” ecosystem—making alliances for strategic rather than ideological reasons.
  • *[41:08] Dave: “It’s like, you know, the Gambino family and the Bonanno family in New York... war was bad for business. I think there’s more than a little of that in this.” *
  • *[41:59] Michael: “I have no idea how much money Nick Fuentes or Candace Owens are making off this, but man, I wouldn’t want the security that these people have.” *
• Conservative Self-Reflection: The right, A&G argue, is engaged in overdue self-policing—debating “no enemies to the right” and whether to disown fringe figures, unlike what they see on the left.
  • [42:48] Dave: “No enemies to the right... The right in America is saying increasingly, ‘No, we're not going to put our arm around the lunatics just because they're against the same people we are.’”
• Historical Echoes: Michael spots the persistence of antisemitism, comparing Fuentes’ line of thinking to casual prejudices depicted in Joyce’s "Ulysses."
  • [43:54] Michael: “...the amount of antisemitism he runs into in one day in Dublin... sound exactly like Nick Fuentes.”

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4. News Roundup: Flight Cancellations & Political Leadership

[21:39–24:31]

• Airport Shutdowns: Due to staffing issues (and political gridlock), 40 major U.S. airports are slashing 10% of flights, with 4,500 cancellations forecasted.
  • [22:28] Dave: "There is not going to be an empty seat in America."
  • [22:46] Dave: "At least neither party has any interest in what's good for the American people..."
• Political Reflections: The hosts wax nostalgic—and sarcastic—on Nancy Pelosi’s retirement and relative political talent versus her successors.
  • [23:31] Michael: "She was really good. I hated that she was so good.”

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5. Quick Takes: TikTok’s Tubi Deal, International News & More

[20:05–21:28; 25:06–25:30]

• **TikTok airs its first award show on Tubi—provoking bemusement at the pairing of a giant platform with a little-watched streaming service.
  • [20:06] Michael: "TikTok was like how can we take something everyone is on and show it on something nobody is on?"
• Headline Watch: Comment on vandalism at the Met, muted discussion of Russia/Ukraine war.

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6. Animal Clip & Light Fare

[53:30–56:12]

• The infamous “owl and chickens” viral clip: A farmer catches an owl mid-attack on his chickens, gives it a gentle scolding, and releases it—with a running, bemused commentary.
  • [54:04] Dave (as farmer): "I wish we could be friends. I don't want you eating my birds. However, sir. Okay, this is not permissible."
  • The hosts riff on the realism of chicken noises, the physical eccentricity of owls, and the morality of handling varmints.
• Final Thoughts
  • [55:42] Michael: "I don't have a real final thought, but that owl clip made me happy."
  • [56:37] Dave: "I hope Donald Trump and Chuck Schumer are listening... Maybe they can take an example..."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Football's Changing Physics:

  "He would beat his balls up pretty good to work in the leather. Then he'd overinflate them to stretch them out."
  —Co-host/Producer Dave [07:13]

• On Conservative Gatekeeping:

  "Elevating [Fuentes] and then attacking those who object as somehow un-American or disloyal... is not the protection of free speech. It is moral collapse disguised as courage."
  —Mark Goldfedder, via Dave [36:22]

• On Grifting in Media:

  "...it's an enormously profitable grift. And it could be that the Coke of that decided, I'm better off having a comfortable relationship with the Pepsi of this grift, than to be openly at war with each other..."
  —Co-host/Producer Dave [41:08]

• On Modern Antisemitism:

  "...the main character Leopold Bloom is Jewish and the amount of antisemitism he runs into in one day in Dublin... sound exactly like Nick Fuentes..."
  —Co-host/Producer Michael [43:54]

• On Animal Husbandry and Harmony:

  "Out at the farm... a big giant dog, a cat and a chicken all just standing together, just hanging out, perfectly happy."
  —Co-host/Producer Michael [56:17]

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Key Timestamps

• NFL Field Goal/Evolving K Balls: 03:41–14:27
• Football History & Forward Pass: 10:56–14:25
• Tucker/Nick Fuentes/Heritage Controversy: 14:27–43:54
• Flight Cancellation Crisis: 21:39–24:31
• Animal Clip ("Owl vs. Chickens"): 53:30–56:12
• Final Thoughts: 55:36–56:57

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Tone & Style

• Spirited, irreverent, knowledgeable, and occasionally biting—especially when skewering political hypocrisy or the absurdities of sport.
• Hosts are self-effacing but unabashed in critique, alternating laughter with no-nonsense moral clarity.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode demonstrates Armstrong & Getty’s unique ability to tackle both the granular—NFL football physics, viral farm animal clips—and the grand—political infighting, antisemitism, and the evolution of American conservatism. Whether dissecting sporting minutiae or cultural fault lines, their candid, often comic approach makes for a brisk, thought-provoking listen.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Michael]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Michael]

68 yards away. It's up there.

[Joe Getty]

It's out there and it's gone. It's good. From 68 what nobody.

[Michael]

Cam Little came's up big to be kidding me.

[Joe Getty]

Not very many years ago nobody would have attempted a 68 yard field goal. No.

[Michael]

That's like a kickoff. Yeah. That's amazing. You know, it's a tangent. But executive producer Hansen points out that that call was just okay for the longest field goal ever kicked in NFL history.

[CJ Toledano]

Right.

[Michael]

And by contrast, here's 1970 clip 17. Michael when the great Tom Dempsey set a record that state that stood for decades with a 63 yarder will it try to kick the longest field goal in National League history? They're sending him on with two seconds left.

[Joe Getty]

Scarpetti will hold.

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Here's a snap. The ball is down.

[Joe Getty]

Dipsy kicks. It's on the way. It is good. It's good. It's good. The Saints have won. The Saints have won. The stadium is wild. Dempsey has been marked. The time has run out. The Saints have won. 19 this 17. Well so. Yeah, that one does. You should. Whoever that was, they should be fired. How did they not set that up with this would be the longest field goal in history. How did you not set it up like that?

[Michael]

They may have previously cuz the edit in fairness but I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Well they after it was made it's like. And he makes it.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Come on now, give me a little excitement.

[Michael]

People of our generation familiar with Tom Dempsey was born with some pretty serious handicaps including one arm that was just. I think it ended at the elbow. And he had half a foot. And he discovered at some point in his life that his, his foot, because he wore a flattened shoe was really good for kicking field goals because they were toe kicking in that day, as we called it. Anyway.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, wow.

[Michael]

That's a much better call. Anyway, that's all a lead up to this. The Wall Street Journal of all publications reporting on what's actually going on with the incredibly long field goals being kicked in the NFL right now. And the numbers are amazing. Nobody kicked a 50 plus yard field goal unless they had to to win the game because they were desperate. Now it is routine. Well, they begin the article with back in the 90s, Chris Boniol, who was a great kicker for the Cowboys. He won the super bowl actually, as a kicker for the Cowboys. They would get the, the balls before game day. The kicking balls. K balls they call them. If you have K balls, talk to your urologist.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, you can spot them. It's just so you get a little light in there.

[Michael]

Comfort.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I, this is news to me. As a. Used to be a huge NFL fan. I didn't know they used different balls for kicking than they did for the rest of the game.

[Michael]

Yeah. And punting. Yeah. Why would you do this?

[Joe Getty]

Yin yang.

[Michael]

And yin again. So back in the day, Chris would douse the balls with water, toss them in the dry.

[Joe Getty]

I do that with mine, deflate them.

[Michael]

Good Lord. And beat them up pretty good. Yeah, do that too last night. Yeah. No, I have nothing.

[CJ Toledano]

Nothing at all.

[Michael]

No, no, don't. Don't even be.

[Joe Getty]

You have been bad today. Pow, pow, pow.

[Michael]

If, if not for you, for your beautiful unborn child, stay away from this. Anyway, he, he would beat his balls up pretty good to work in the leather. Then he'd over inflate them to stretch.

[Joe Getty]

Them out and then stretching it out is the best part.

[Michael]

Then he would. Then he would get them back into game inflation and the rest of it. But it made it way easier to kick and that kind of stuff stopped. In 1999, the NFL put an end to the practice by introducing special new K balls which were used exclusively for kicking, punting. The balls were delivered directly from the manufacturer to the officiating crew before each game.

[Joe Getty]

What's the theory behind having a different ball than you use for the whole. For the whole game?

[Michael]

I don't know. Actually.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Michael]

Kicker can practice with it on the sidelines maybe and have the feel of it.

[Joe Getty]

Well, they had a whole bunch of balls I know that you just use. Everybody uses the same ball. It's almost got to be because they wanted more or longer field goals because they thought it would be better for the sport. It almost has to be.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And I think they've gone too far now because it's changed. It changes the sport. If all you have to get to is like the 40 yard line of the other team to guarantee you're going to get three points, it's a different sport.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Interesting. Yeah. How, how, why The NFL originally said, yeah, the kickers can, you know, have the footballs and work them a little bit. I don't, I don't know. But anyway, so much stretching this year they, this season they received an additional leg up, no pun intended. In April, owners approved a change that now gives every team 60 so called K balls for the.

[Joe Getty]

And.

[Michael]

And crucially allows them to prepare those footballs before game day. Now, some actions like submerging the ball in water or exposing it to high heat are prohibited, but there's still plenty of things kickers can do to soften up and de shine ify them.

[Joe Getty]

How about letting some of the air out of them? Tom Brady and your clone dog?

[Michael]

Yeah, well, allegedly. So that's why you're seeing the. I mean, if kickers are better and stronger than they used to be, like a lot of things in football, but. Yeah, that's why.

[Joe Getty]

And all sports, that's men's tennis, particularly golf, at some point, between equipment and people getting stronger, they're going to have to adjust these sports, I think.

[Michael]

Yeah. Every sport's got a different set of challenges.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. But to do what's, what's the technique where you take something to an absurd limit to show that there is a limit.

[Michael]

Reductio ad absurdum.

[Joe Getty]

If you could make a 90 or 90 yard field goal, that'd be no good. You'd have to do something. Right.

[Michael]

Right. Yeah. Your team gets to the. What would that be?

[Joe Getty]

You're.

[Michael]

You're kicking it from the 80 yard line. So that would be kicking it from your 30. Yeah. Your team would just have to get to the 37 and you'd get points. Your own 37.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that'd be no good. And we're at 70 yards now. Damn near.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Minor problem, obviously for the world in general. Oh, I was talking about earlier. The.

[Michael]

Or.

[Joe Getty]

Or.

[Michael]

I don't know. As a football fan, let me argue this point. That's still a long shot, literally and figuratively. And if you miss it, the opponents get the ball at that spot.

[Joe Getty]

Good point.

[Michael]

So it's a hell of a Gamble.

[Joe Getty]

So today is the anniversary of the first ever college football game, which turned into a very popular sport as we were just discussing for college and then the pro football and the number one sport in America by far, the first college football game in the late 1800s. Teddy Roosevelt was really into college football. He thought it was important to our manliness. And when they started wearing helmets and players stopped dying, he thought we had gotten too soft. Have you ever read about this? It's really interesting. He was highly concerned. Concerned that people were getting all concerned about the number of college football players that were dying on the field. It was becoming a regular occurrence. And TR thought we'd gotten too weak. Why don't you put a skirt on her? You know, that sort of thing with. The players aren't dying now. You can't, you know, if you look at. If you side eye a quarterback, it's a penalty because they want more scoring.

[Michael]

And they throw the flag and he cries like a little girl.

[Joe Getty]

In my opinion, they have taunting penalties now. Daunting. Exactly. You can't say something mean, but people were dying on the field in college and then they started wearing helmets and changing some rules and that sort of thing. Anyway, first college football game years ago. No, no, there was no throwing or carrying the ball. Which man, if they. If they.

[Michael]

Slightly different game.

[Joe Getty]

I'd say if you told the Raiders and Broncos tonight, by the way, no throwing in honor of the first college football game. First football game ever. No throwing or carrying the ball. What am I supposed to do now?

[Michael]

Well, you could not play the game.

[Joe Getty]

No, it was a completely different game. Why you would even call it soccer.

[Michael]

With an oblong ball or was the ball round? I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Well, fans of the NFL have heard many times about the. Invented the forward pass or the first forward pass or whatever. Had nobody just ever. Was there no rules against it and somebody just hadn't thought of heaving the ball forward and then waited to see if his referee is going to complain. As far as I know, there's no rule against throwing the ball forward. So it. Go ahead.

[Michael]

You know, it would appear that soccer was invented, slash established, although there are probably ancient versions of it. But in 1863 in England and Scotland, so.

[Joe Getty]

So soccer wasn't around much longer than. So we took soccer, which was new at the time, and then started boring and stupid.

[Michael]

How about we pick the ball up? God gave us hands, let's use them.

[Joe Getty]

These Euros got nothing better to do. Apparently we do. So we got to come up with something a little more exciting. So we almost immediately altered soccer to become the most popular sport in America. That's kind of interesting.

[Michael]

Now the other version's the most popular sport in the world.

[Joe Getty]

Well, because they're. They got nothing else to do, apparently. Okay, I had another comment on the football and the soccer and the. Oh, the. For the, the. The first forward pass, the first person ever do that, just to pick up the ball and chuck it forward. Then some guy caught it. Everybody's like, what the hell was that?

[Michael]

Hey, what are you doing?

[Joe Getty]

And then everybody started doing it.

[Michael]

This is exciting. Stop.

[Joe Getty]

That was fun.

[Michael]

Get it out.

[Joe Getty]

You want to final NFL note Because if you're not a sports fan that you're not interested in this, go back and watch a legendary football game from even 30 years ago in the 90s. You'll be bored to tears. It was all about running the ball over and over and over again. Incremental gains. This is just boring compared to now. It's amazing.

[Michael]

You gotta stretch the field. Big play potential.

[Joe Getty]

How big a deal is this whole flap within the conservative. I don't know if you what the term is. Republican party, the conservatives, whatever right of center with the whole Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, anti Semite racist thing. How big a deal is it? It's still growing as far as I can tell, as a controversy. We'll talk a little bit about that coming up. Among other things. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

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Oh yeah.

[Joe Getty]

They don't have it. I'm sure we'll find out. It just happened. So another thing that just happened before I get to our news story. Russia threatens to send hypersonic missiles to Venezuela. Oh yeah, Russia and Ukraine. When's the last time you talked about that? It was the biggest story in America and Trump with the peace deal and whatnot. And we got caught up in the elections and there are young men married with little kids dying today fighting for their country against Russia in Ukraine. And we have the luxury of not having to think about it unless it's in the headlines for some reason.

[Michael]

For now, I just read another really interesting piece about the evolving nature of warfare, drones, etc. It's different than it was three months ago, which is part of the point.

[Joe Getty]

So, biggest story in America today that we haven't mentioned for a little while is the Transportation Secretary announcing they're going to cut 10% of flights at 40 airports starting tomorrow because of the shutdown. There just aren't enough workers at the airports. And he thinks they're getting. We're getting into danger territory here where there's going to be mistakes made and people are going to get hurt. The list of airports is out, and not surprisingly, it's all the big airports. I mean, it's all. All of the airports that everybody uses. And even if you're going somewhere that doesn't use that airport, your flight is going to be a mess because of the fact that Dallas and Denver and Chicago and LAX and SFO and Salt Lake City and every. Everywhere that people connect, it's going to be a mess. 4,500 flights are expecting to cancel tomorrow.

[Michael]

There is not going to be an empty seat in America.

[Joe Getty]

And it's. I just find it hard to believe, obviously, I find it hard to believe that the shutdown is going to last two more days with this. I think that's the point. But we'll see.

[Michael]

Well, at least neither party has any interest in what's good for the American people, and they just want to gain advantage over the other guys.

[Joe Getty]

I gotta believe the people at the top, especially if this continues in tomorrow. The people at the top, whoever's. Whoever. Is it Hakeem Jeffries and, And John Thune or whoever. Whoever's having the discussions between the tours are going to say, look, we got to find a way out of this. I mean, this isn't good for anybody. With 4,500 flights canceled, what will that. I just can't even imagine what that's going to look like tomorrow.

[Michael]

For what it's worth, having listened to both of them a lot. Nancy Pelosi, as a politician, especially in her prime, was an A plus. Hakeem Jeffries is a B minus. He's not nearly as talented as she was.

[Joe Getty]

Very few people are. She was a. She was a. She is one of the most talented politicians ever. She was really good. I hated that she was so good. I mean, I walked to watch turn. She Announced today that she's not running again. She basically retired today. Bye. Bye. And Trump called her evil and corrupt. That was his parting shot. But I hated her politics. But man, she was good at making her arguments on all the talk shows. Wish we could come up with someone like that. J.D. vance. Yeah. Septie's the vice President. I don't know. He's not gonna have the long run like she had of being in the House and the. The face of the Democratic Party. How many decades was she the person to go on the talk shows and make the argument?

[Michael]

Eleven decades.

[Joe Getty]

That's right. What did our emailer say? Abraham Lincoln thought she was quite the milf.

[Michael]

Yeah. That means major legislative figure. It's on his list of top five major legislative figures.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. Okay, so I'm going to get into this a little bit right after the break. Yet another member of Heritage that's one of the most powerful think tanks in the world, one of the best funded, has been a hero to the conservative cause pretty much my whole life. Kind of gone off the rails in the last couple of years. Another person resigned because their leader came out in support of Tucker Carlson. And Nick Fuentes, that podcast from the other day. How big a deal do you think this is? Because I feel like it's a growing thing still.

[Michael]

I think it's definitely significant. Yeah. It's an important thing we have to go through on the right.

[Joe Getty]

So if you don't know what we're talking about, we'll bring you up to speed really quickly and what the latest wrinkle is on that. And it's the best thing that's ever happened to this Nick Fuentes character. I think because he went from some people know him to practically everybody knows him very quickly. Stick around for that. If you missed a segment or anything else, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Michael]

Coming up with no, it's not the Jews. No, it's not women.

[CJ Toledano]

No, it's not blacks.

[Joe Getty]

It's actually really complicated. No, it isn't at all.

[Michael]

Jews are running society.

[CJ Toledano]

Women need to shut the up.

[Michael]

Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part and we would live in paradise. It's that simple.

[Joe Getty]

It's literally that simple.

[Michael]

And some people find that racist.

[Joe Getty]

Sorry, it's not done. I have watched probably an hour and a half of the two and a half hour Nick Fuentes Tucker Carlson interview from the other day. That was Nick Fuentes there who is already a pretty big figure, had a million followers on Twitter and pretty successful influencer on the right with that sort of talk. But I mean like is really big after Trump's had dinner with him a couple years back. So Trump has dinner with Kanye and Nick Fuentes. That's the first time I'd ever heard Nick Fuente's name. I don't run in those circles, so I'd never heard of the guy. I only heard about it because the media went oh my God, can you believe Trump had dinner with Nick Fuente?

[Michael]

Fuentes.

[Joe Getty]

It was Nick Fuentes. So then I had to look into it and then he kind of receded in my life. And then there's he. Tucker puts him on. Tucker has a much bigger following than practically anybody really. And unless you're Taylor Swift, Tucker Gets tens and tens and tens of millions of views either on Twitter or on his own platform or on YouTube, depending on who he's talking to. And he had Nick Fuentes on the other day for a couple hours and let him go. Let Nick Fuentes spew all kinds of things with no pushback, no not even probing questions. So that's one aspect. I mean, you could still just kind of shelve that in the Tucker Candace Owens, Nick Fuente's world. But then Heritage foundation, which I remember back in the day when we used to say love the people at Heritage, because we did. They were fantastic. They were like as typical American conservative as you could get in being involved in our politics. And one of the most important think tanks in the world. Anyway, so some people were going after Tucker Carlson about having a platforming Nick Fuentes and giving him a bigger voice and everything like that. They ask Heritage what their position was on it. And the guy who runs Heritage said, we don't believe in canceling anybody.

[Michael]

Kevin Roberts, I think we should name names.

[Joe Getty]

Okay? But he comes out and says, you know, we shouldn't, we shouldn't. We don't believe in cancel culture or anything like that. Even though they've gone after plenty of other people that they thought ought to be deplatformed or booted out or not listened to or whatever. For some reason, he was really soft on Tucker. We'll get to that in just a second. In specific, but yesterday, a Heritage foundation board member quit over this whole thing. They were so upset with the leader of their group coming out and not, you know, just out and out saying, no, we don't agree with Tucker Carlson. He shouldn't have had Nick Fuentes on all those things that were said were abhorrent, and we in no way support any of that. That. That's not what he did. So this board member decided to step down. Lori Cardoza Moore is her. Announced her name. She announced she's withdrawing from the board. And so there's a couple of statements that were made yesterday that I thought were interesting. First of all, the president. Roberts, Kevin Roberts, I let you down. I let. And I let down this institution, period, full stop. He told attendees yesterday, this is after his. This is his second apology. He's on apology number two here. I made the mess. Let me clean it up. Up. You can say you're not going to participate in canceling someone while also being clear you're not endorsing everything they've said. You're not endorsing softball interviews. You're not endorsing putting people on shows. And I should have made that clear. So he is on day about day three of apologizing for his original statement.

[Michael]

Right. Well, and I'm afraid you soft pedaled his original statement unintentionally, I'm sure it said. And I'm trying to find the wording out of I've had it for a week and I don't know what I've done with it. But he essentially said anybody criticizing.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Michael]

That interview was being a bad American and a bad conservative. And Tucker will always be our close.

[Joe Getty]

Friend and we need to point all our anger at the left and not be attacking each other. Attacking each other. So we're into an each other agreement here. I'm, I'm in each other relationship with Fuentes all of a sudden. I don't know about that, but actually the reason I wanted to bring this up to me the most interesting part of this whole little version. So when I was watching the. Yeah, he talked.

[Michael]

I'm sorry. He asserted that Heritage would not bow to the venomous coalition trying to cancel Tucker over the interview with Fuentes.

[Joe Getty]

That is unbelievable. Wow. Wow. That is really quite unbelievable. From one of the most, I mean, buttoned up, seriously taken conservative organizations in America for decades.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Surely something. So do you see that as like capture by. You can't even say it's captured by Trump. Was it captured by. No.

[Michael]

Trump is the strongest support of Israel in the history of the American presidency.

[Joe Getty]

And Nick Fuente is ran. I mean, his whole. He tried to get all of his followers to vote against Trump in this most recent election a year ago yesterday. Right. So it's not a Trump thing. So why did, why does Heritage feel captured by Tucker and Candace and Nick Fuentes?

[Michael]

I just think they sense the energy on the young far right and don't want to violate it. And a lot of the people in positions like Kevin what's his face, who I just mentioned Roberts. Roberts have been friends with Tucker for a very long time and are like a lot of people I admire, utterly befuddled by his turn toward weird anti Semitic pro Russian crap. The one of the members of the Anti Semitism, the National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism, which was a project housed under the Heritage foundation, resigned Mark Goldfedder and his resignation letter is eloquent. If I might. When I agreed to join this effort, it was because I believe that combating antisemitism must remain a nonpartisan moral imperative, one that transcends politics, ideology and institutional affiliation. The Jewish people have too often suffered when fighting hatred became a partisan sport, and he hoped that it would be better. Shared decency, moral clarity. Unfortunately, the recent decision by Heritage leadership to defend and even celebrate Tucker Carlson's decision to platform Nick Fuentes, a figure whose record of overt racism, sexism, and anti Semitism is beyond dispute, makes continued participation impossible. Elevating him and then attacking those who object is somehow un American or disloyal in a video replete with anti Semitic tropes and dog whistles, no less, is not the protection of free speech. It is moral collapse disguised as courage. It is especially painful at Heritage. An institution with a historic role in shaping conservative policy would choose this moment to blur the line between worthwhile debate and the normalization of hate. I have spent much of my career defending the principle of free expression, including speech I personally abhor. But defending the right to engage in abhorrent rhetoric is not the same as endorsing the platforming of those who use it to dehumanize others. Free speech protects the right to speech. It does not compel anyone to provide a megaphone for a Nazi.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that Nick Fuentes guy. And I, I don't know how much he believes this stuff or if he's just latched onto it and, like, is making money off of it. And I mean, because yesterday I saw him on something talking about how Charlie Kirk was a weakling America hater who deserved to die because he. Blah, blah, blah. I mean, it's just like what I feel like you're just like, going out of your way to poke people at this point.

[Michael]

Angry little basement dwelling incel is the vibe.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Anyway, I thought this was really interesting. So I'm watching the Tucker thing, and I don't know if I'll make it through the whole thing or not. It is amazing how friendly Tucker is to this dude with no pushback given this. So at some point during the interview, Tucker says, well, you attacked me. You've been attacking me for a long time. And Nick Fuentes says, you attacked me first. And Tucker said, yeah, but I don't. I'm the sort of person that I want to. I want to talk to everybody. So I had you on. So I thought, that's interesting. Nick Fuentes attacked Tucker. Well, here's Tucker yesterday talking about it. For one, Tucker was doing a podcast. Tucker Carlson said, for one, Nick had attacked my father, my wife, one of my children. Um, and he implied that Fuentes was a federal op designed to tar sane anti neocon pro realist foreign policy people like us Taurus is Nazis. But basically, in the end, I decided Nick Fuentes can't be canceled. He's an enormously talented. Anyone who denies that is lying. And he has a semi coherent kind of position. He's. And Tucker went on to say this, he's the most influential voice for men under 30 in the United States. I hope that isn't true. It's.

[Michael]

It's at least close to true.

[Joe Getty]

That's troubling. But how about the fact that Nick Fuentes went after Tucker's dad, wife and kids by name, and Tucker was still willing to overlook that because that crowd, I just, I like, I just haven't quite grasped what's going on there.

[Michael]

I, I don't know. We're dealing with a bunch of different people. The whole, that end of the Internet, that whole paranoid, anti Semitic, weirdly somewhat right wingy, Russia friendly Candace Owens type paranoid conspiracy, just that whole cabal. It's an enormously profitable grift. And it could be that the coke of that decided I'm better off having a comfortable relationship with the Pepsi of this grift than to be at openly, openly at war with each other. It's like, you know, the Gambino family in New York and the Bonanno family or whatever, they avoided war because it was bad for business. I think there's a. More than a little bit of that in this.

[Joe Getty]

That's kind of the way I took it too. It's the only way I could make sense out of it. Because, I mean, you start attacking my. Not just me. I mean, when you get in, if you're in the media like we are, you, you get it and you expect it and it's part of the deal. But, you know, you start naming my kids and stuff like that, I'd get pretty upset about that. But Tucker's willing to overlook that.

[Michael]

You make nice, nice and have a softball interview. In contrast to your brutally combative interview only weeks before with Ted Cruz where you lambasted him for supporting Israel and have said, you know, I hate those people. Christian Zionists more than anybody, more than isis, more than communists, more than Islamists more than anybody.

[Joe Getty]

Huh.

[Michael]

That's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sure it pays well. It certainly pays well for Tucker. I have no idea how much money Nick Fuentes or Candace Owen are making off this, but I. Man, I wouldn't want to have to have the security that these people have. Nick Fuentes had. Was it a knifed intruder came in trying to kill him, died in a shootout with the cops at his House, I mean that's kind of lifestyle is that. I can't imagine what Tucker's security is like. Wow. I mean it's probably like practically, you know, your president level security that he's got. But that, that whole crowd and they're interacting with each other. I don't know what it is.

[Michael]

Well, here's the good news. The right is now in a very serious, somewhat combative conversation with itself about the whole no enemies to the right philosophy, which is a variation on the no enemies to the left French Revolution thing. And the right in America is saying increasingly, no, we're not going to put our arm around the lunatics just because they're against the same people we are because that weakens our message. It hurts us. Morally speaking. It's just, just immoral to do. We're not doing it in the way that the left almost never does. When was the last time you heard the left, anybody in the center left seriously criticizing the radical gender crowd that's perverted and damaged so many of our children. Never. Or Islamism or Marxism. When was the last time you heard a Democrat, mainstream Democrats saying yeah, I'm for a. Maybe an enhanced social safety net but central control, central planning, socialism, communism, that's killed way more people than fascism. We can't go there. You never hear that on the left.

[Joe Getty]

By the way. On the. It's the Jews front. I'm still reading James Joyce Ulysses and fighting my way through it. I'm at 48%. I'm almost halfway through the book. It is a. It is a tough read. I'm really enjoying it. But the, the main character Leopold Bloom is Jewish and the amount of anti Semitism he runs into in. In one day in Dublin going around to bars and work and that sort of stuff and people things people say behind the back sound exactly like Nick Fuentes. That's a hundred years ago in Dublin. It's been around for a very long time that my life would be great if it weren't for guys like him.

[Michael]

It's been called the oldest prejudice.

[Joe Getty]

It's wild. We will finish strong.

[Jack Armstrong]

Next Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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And he caught the owl.

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Well, the owl's just going to come back and eat his chickens.

[CJ Toledano]

But I thought it was kind of fascinating where as soon as the owl flew off, you can hear all the chickens just go silent.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that is.

[Michael]

I didn't notice the incredibly realistic chicken sound effects in the background.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right, those are. As a guy, I go up to the farm regularly. We have, we have fresh right out of the bottom end of a chicken eggs in my fridge right now because we have so many chickens out at the farm and Henry likes to make eggs every morning. So they're fresh. But anyway, lots of chickens and chickens don't make that much noise. They make some noise, but that not that much noise. And that's cuz the owl is around. You got a predator he's holding right there next to you and they're all like, ah, get that thing out of here. Ah, way to snap an owl's neck though.

[Michael]

Don't you have to find its neck? They're kind of neckless, aren't they?

[Joe Getty]

And they can turn their head all the way around.

[Michael]

Oh, it's amazing.

[CJ Toledano]

Check your clock.

[Michael]

It's time.

[CJ Toledano]

Time to stop Jack and Joe. They've got to go. And if they don't, you can. They'll be back tomorrow.

[Joe Getty]

It took a long while. Save it for my final thought. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Michael]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap up the day. There is Michelangelo pressing the buttons. Michael, what's your final thought? I don't have a real final thought.

[Joe Getty]

But that owl clip made me happy.

[Michael]

Just something about man and dealing with the wild animal.

[Joe Getty]

I just loved it. Okay, cool. Yeah, good.

[Michael]

You know, there was a lot to like there. Here's my final thought. He was a man who was serious about his work, but a man of.

[Joe Getty]

Compassion and a sense of humor.

[Michael]

Likable fella. Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman has a final thought.

[CJ Toledano]

Katie, thinking about the Kim Kardashian chat GPT situation earlier. If I ever fail at anything, immediately blaming a chat.

[Joe Getty]

Good idea.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah, good point. Jack is murdered. Animals that displaced him. Jack, Jack, final thoughts.

[Joe Getty]

I have quite a few, but out at the farm got animals that, that get along. It's like a Disney film now. It took a long time to get that. He's had dogs eating birds and cats eating chickens and everything that didn't get along. I was out there the other day. There was a, the big giant dog, a cat and a chicken all just standing together and just hanging out, perfectly happy.

[Michael]

I hope Donald Trump and Chuck Schumer are listening to this right now. Maybe they could take an example and I already did my final thought.

[Joe Getty]

All right.

[Michael]

I like the farmer. I want to be friends. Where is he? Go ahead.

[Joe Getty]

Why is it the word owl? You put a word, the B in front of it and it's not bowel, it's bowl.

[Michael]

That's a good point. This English is a ridiculous language.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Michael]

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[Joe Getty]

It's probably because you don't want to say I ate my cereal out of a bowel.

[Michael]

That might be one of the reasons my cereal bowel.

[Joe Getty]

See you tomorrow. God bless America. Yeah. Get out of you audio mofo. So it's a hustle.

[Michael]

Yeah, it's a hustle. It's kind of bogus.

[Joe Getty]

It's a wild animal Joey baby. Yes we drank beer.

[CJ Toledano]

Wait.

[Michael]

Tell you what. You got a a a tiger and two monkeys. Get a case of beer. You got a party. Experts tell me all bloody hell is.

[CJ Toledano]

Going to break loose.

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