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Jack Armstrong
All right, we're all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe, and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses. And I plugged in the Partisan Partisan. It's a home cocktail maker that makes over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites too. I just got it for 50 off, so how about a Cosmopolitan or a Mistletoe Margarita?
Joe Getty
I'm thirsty. Watch.
Jack Armstrong
I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow.
Joe Getty
Beginning to feel more seasonal in here already.
Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
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Chris Wilner
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Joe Getty
Now buy a car directly on Amazon. Ooh. The only hiccup is that since it's Amazon, your car will be delivered in 4,000 separate packages. I'll bet that might be the future of buying cars. I know Tesla started that. Some states outlawed it, which was awful. The idea of selling cars without a dealership. Do you need a dealership? Why, no.
Chris Wilner
No.
Joe Getty
And so you on Tesla, you just go online, you pick what kind of car you want, everything like that, and it shows up at your house. Then you got problems, you take it to a local place.
Chris Wilner
So, yeah, just in case you're not familiar with it, the car dealers in various states, mostly blue states, but not entirely, bribed their legislatures that said, no, it's dangerous to let people just buy a car directly. You never know what will happen. Here's $50,000 for your next campaign.
Joe Getty
Yeah, maybe you do need a dealership. I don't know. But the idea of outlawing is crazy. But so Amazon. Selling cars now. There you go.
Chris Wilner
That is interesting. Huh? I'll have to look into that. So, a couple of notes about the transition, foreign policy, that sort of thing. This. This is not of any great significance. It's funny, anytime I want to bring up the Biden administration, what they're doing, I feel like, I don't know, I'm railing against last year's teacher or something in school. It's in the past. It almost doesn't matter. Excep. And again. And trust me when I say this, because I have studied this my whole life. Joe Biden is still the president. He still has the powers of the presidency. And they've been walking around crowing about the fall of the Assad regime, talking about, well, Biden put out a statement the other Day. Well, his people did. He. He's mumbling into his jello right now. But our approach.
Joe Getty
Mumbling into his Jello? Come on.
Chris Wilner
Our approach has shifted the balance of power in the Middle East. Through this combination of support for our partners, sanctions and diplomacy, and targeted military force when necessary, we now see new opportunities opening for the people of Syria and the entire regime. Yeah, just like they drew it up, writes the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal and Jake Sullivan talking about our unflagging support for our allies in the region. How unflagging? They point out that Israel, all of Israel's success in defeating Hamas and Hezbollah and now knocking Iran seriously onto its heels and Assad's hostile regime falling, all of it was because directly because Israel ignored the Biden administration.
Joe Getty
Absolutely. I was just in the Bob Woodward book Wars went through, the part where I forget which leader it was. Israel assassinated. Remember they assassinated one of those high level Hamas dudes in Tehran. And Biden went AP s on the phone with Netanyahu, according to Woodward's book, screaming at him, you effing a hole, you effing a hole. Do you know what you've done? So that's the unwavering support, Is that what you're talking about?
Chris Wilner
Yeah, they list it off. Mr. Biden worked hard, even blocking weapons, to stop Israel from taking the fight to Hezbollah. Even after 11 months of Hezbollah attacks, Biden argued that Israeli self defense would risk escalating into a regional war. He pushed a ceasefire that would have left Hezbollah at the height of its powers. Biden officials were furious. Jack. When Israel instead blew up Hezbollah's pagers and took out its leader Hassan Nasrallah. But now they congratulate themselves for a policy that in Biden's words, quote, made it impossible for Iran and Hezbollah to continue to prop up the Assad regime. Wow, that's beyond revisionist history. I mean, that's just writing a novel, right? Just fiction.
Joe Getty
Right.
Chris Wilner
Here's a headline for you. Days after Trump's victory, Biden Harris administration granted Iran $10 billion in sanctions relief according to a congressional committee. You know what's interesting about all this and intriguing, and I'm waiting to see how it plays out. Tulsi Gabbard was staunchly, vehemently against virtually every policy of Trump's first term, including those that worked out beautifully, that were bold, brilliant, decisive. He's praised practically universally for them. She was, she is Bernie Sanders on defense and again was harshly critical of.
Joe Getty
Trump and praised Assad a lot and went and met with him And John Bolton, Trump's national security adviser for a while, John Bolton on TNB TV these the other day said they're going to get into the archives there in Syria and we may find out that Tulsi Gabbard was on the payroll.
Chris Wilner
Well, that's a heck of a thing.
Joe Getty
To say from another, you know, cabinet member of Trump's.
Chris Wilner
Yeah, Bolton's a bit of a bomb chucker, literally and figuratively. I'll be curious to see that. But the other thing about Tulsi is she is one of the Kremlin's most effective spokespeople. She is way, way cooperative. She's a star of Russian tv. They run clips of her all the time. I also know state run tv.
Joe Getty
I also know a lot of you MAGA people love her. I read social media. She's beloved by a lot of people.
Chris Wilner
I am aware of that as well. And that's why I think it's going to be so interesting to see play out. How do they square that circle, as they say, rectify those conflicts? Is Trump even aware of them? Is it just because she switched sides and kissed his butt? Why do you see somebody. I don't know. It strikes me as a very, very odd choice, but we'll just have to see. And this final note on the question of transition foreign policy and stuff, this is also from the Journal, but the headline is Biden is Ceding Presidential Influence to Trump. And some Democrats are furious and they're talking about how, and this was kind of the basis of my joke that Biden is still the president. And I do have to keep reminding myself of that in a way, because Trump is. He's in France, he's meeting with Macron, he's got world leaders. Well, Trudeau flying to Mar a Lago to beg him for, you know, his kindness and mercy.
Joe Getty
Well, National Review said he's the most powerful presidential president elect in modern history. Without a doubt, he is.
Chris Wilner
Oh, yeah, clearly true. He is pulling many, many strings of foreign policy. He's already dictating trade and immigration policy, has moved rapidly to remake the U.S. government. You know all that ridiculous talk about on day one, I'm going to do this on day one. And no, on day one, you're going to go to the inauguration, you're going to swear an oath on a Bible. You're probably going to have dinner, right? You're going to dance a bit because you got to. That's what you're going to do on day one. Well, Trump appears to be, I mean, really getting his troops in order, some of his troops are odd choices again in my opinion. But he's absolutely taken the lame duck by its scrawny neck and tossed it aside.
Joe Getty
Right. Well, the political article that I never got to that came out over the weekend where even Democrats, unnamed sources in the White House feel like Joe Biden's not the president anymore. They're, they're even like we're over it. So partially because he's so out of.
Chris Wilner
It as our institution.
Joe Getty
Uh huh.
Chris Wilner
Well. And I think it's yet another proof of how just stupid diculous the whole he's Hitler we'll never have another election talk was. I hope the young people of America see this and grok it. They figure it out. They won't. A lot of them but dudes and dudettes. Do you see how willing they are to say wild eyed crazy stuff that they don't mean even a little bit? Just file that away for the next election, please. This is one of the lamest of lame ducks we've seen with the Democratic administration. A massive missed opportunity, said a far left progressive yahoo who I would hate.
Joe Getty
Well, we've got a hope is that nothing giant awful happens. So yesterday the breaking news we had while we're on the air, Taiwan announcing that China had their biggest military exercise going on in decades right off their shore and that, you know, an exercise could turn into an invasion in a, in a moment. And who's going to be in charge of making decisions on that if we, if we have to decide where we come into Taiwan's aid or not?
Chris Wilner
Jake Sullivan's half drunk. Anthony Blinken's on a beach in Hawaii probably. They're, they're like, wait, what? They did what? Well, what's have Trump deal with it?
Joe Getty
I don't know if they're saying that.
Chris Wilner
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Joe Getty
God, the eating season is so off to a rough start for me at my home. I have currently three pies and a giant cheesecake.
Chris Wilner
What?
Joe Getty
And I. I'm really bad at like throwing stuff out. I. How do you throw out a great homemade dessert? You can't. You gotta eat the whole thing.
Chris Wilner
No, that's sinful. Well, right.
Joe Getty
Or give it to someone, but I don't know. Then I gotta interact with it.
Chris Wilner
I don't know what. Human garbage disposal. Give it to somebody. They're beautiful pies. You can't eat all of that. Come on now.
Joe Getty
Yeah, somebody texted me the other day as complaining about my situation, which is not much to complain about. They said, look forward to watching you on my 600 pound life.
Chris Wilner
Yeah, I was just going to say is the scale had a talk with you.
Joe Getty
Yes, Katie, I was thinking if you're having trouble figuring out where to take it, just bring it to work. I could, I could, I might. I actually, I think I'm going to offload at least one pie tomorrow at work. That's such only a you problem. I have too many pies.
Chris Wilner
That is. You're quite right, Katie. That is the first time I have ever heard that in my several decades on earth. You know my problem? I have too many pies.
Joe Getty
Well, you know what it is? I've made it so clear to others what would be an easy gift to get me that I would appreciate. I think that's what it is because I, you know, I talk about pie. I have a T shirt I wear that says I love pie. I mean, I mean it's. I'm pretty transparent about this. And yes, the scale has talked to me. I'm at a record high. What a shock. I wonder if I could connect the dot. I need to do the research and connect the dots. Moving on. If eating pie and cheesecake every day now for a week has anything to do with them at the highest weight I've been in a couple years.
Chris Wilner
Any conclusions? Of course, if I were you, I wouldn't be able to leap to anything. Huh. Am I wrong? You know, I get you, though, Katie. Back when the Dead Flowers used to play our crazy rock and roll shows, everybody knew I really liked Tanker and Tonics. And so, like, two songs into the show, there'd be half a dozen Tankery and Tonics on the edge of the stage in front of me. And I felt like, you know, it'd be rude and shut up. Yeah, I'd have to fight being incoherent by the end of the thing.
Joe Getty
That's what I keep thinking to myself. If I eat another piece of pie, I'm being polite. I'm being a good person. Some of the continuing efforts to make a folk hero out of this murderous scumbag are absolutely amazing. In another situation, the guy who got choked to death by Daniel Penny making a folk hero out of this dude. What the hell is this? Among other things. We'll get to this hour. I hope you can stay here.
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All right, we're all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe, and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses. And I plugged in the Partisan Partisan. It's a home cocktail maker that makes over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites, too. I just got it for 50 off. So how about a Cosmopolitan or a Mistletoe margarita?
Joe Getty
I'm thirsty. Watch.
Jack Armstrong
I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow, it's beginning to.
Joe Getty
Feel more seasonal in here already.
Jack Armstrong
If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender. Unless you've got a Bartesian, because Bartesian crafts every cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds. And I just got it for $50 off.
Joe Getty
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That's NASCAR coast to Coast. You can listen today in the iHeart app or on your favorite podcasting platform. Definitely know who wins time Sexiest Alleged Murderer of the Year. That would go to the suspect in the shooting of the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, who's become the hottest coal black killer in America. I'm not sure what this says about us, but ever since these photos of him came out from his holding cell from his mugshot, someone found his abs somewhere online. Ryan Murphy right now is flying a Netflix headquarters in a jetpack. So many women and so many men are going nuts over how good looking this killer is. And there's a huge wave of horny.
Chris Wilner
Washing over us right now.
Joe Getty
It's like when one of the gu guys you work with says he I had a dream about you last night. When it's the FedEx guy with the big muscles and the rolled up sleeves, you're like, oh, but if it's the bald IT guy wearing Crocs with black socks, you're on the phone with hr. It's. That's true. That's actually factually true.
Chris Wilner
Yes. Yes, it is. Yeah.
Joe Getty
Yeah. The whole the killer's hot thing is, well, it's weird, but who did originally put out, like, the first picture I saw, the guy was him shirtless, on vacation, ripped like he's Wolverine.
Chris Wilner
Yeah, yeah, weird. Well, that's the sort of picture you post online. That's what people got access to, Right?
Joe Getty
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Joe Getty
Daniel Penny, a free man, did his first interview yesterday talking about how it unfolded and what it felt like and choking a guy to death and the whole thing. So we got that coming up and then some of the efforts to make a hero out of the guy who got choked to death. So stay tuned for that. Caitlin Clark was named athlete of the year by Time magazine. If you're old, you think that means something? Perhaps if you're younger than 50, you'd say, what is Time magazine?
Chris Wilner
What is a magazine at all?
Joe Getty
What's a magazine?
Chris Wilner
I know.
Joe Getty
I like when they put out online the picture of the COVID of magazines for people to try to imply that the magazine is, like, still showing up in people's mailboxes and. And people are putting on their coffee table to read later this week.
Chris Wilner
I don't know.
Joe Getty
It's a weird game we play. I wonder how long this lasts. We got to be on the tail end of this, I would think. But of course, Caitlin Clark is the athlete of the year. Who else would be? She's the dominant story of the year, but the most googled athlete of the year, and I don't remember what her name is. I don't even want to look at my phone to figure it out. Was the dude that trounced all the women in Olympic boxing that was the most googled female athlete of the year. Female. Using my finger quotes athlete of the year as people say, what? There's a guy, the trans woman guy, beating up women. Yep. In the Olympics. So that was a good story.
Chris Wilner
Yes, that's right. The Olympics. Bringing the nations of the world together to watch a man punch a woman in the face over and over again. Very excited. But it's okay because he says, I'm a woman. He actually is one of those people with the rare, you know, internal testes and. Or whatever the situation is. A rare. A fairly rare syndrome that makes you, you know, kind of hermaphroditic.
Joe Getty
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Chris Wilner
Too much work. It's too much. But being held against my will help.
Joe Getty
But today pornhub put out their list of the most searched terms of the year, and it's actually pretty interesting. And not just in a, you know, high school locker room sort of way.
Chris Wilner
I made a cringy face. I'm not sure I'm comfortable enough to uncringe yet.
Joe Getty
I promise it's kind of interesting, but it'll also be somewhat tawdry. So that's where we will put it in the One More Thing podcast.
Chris Wilner
Oh, not safe for work friends. Raw content.
Joe Getty
Al Sharpton's one of the worst human beings on earth. Standing up for the victim. Victim. Finger quotes of Daniel Penny. Stay tuned.
Chris Wilner
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Jack Armstrong
All right, we're all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses and I plugged in the Bartesian Bartesian. It's a home cocktail maker that makes over 60 premium cocktails plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites too. I just got it for 50 off, so how about a Cosmopolitan or a Mistletoe Margarita?
Joe Getty
I'm thirsty. Watch.
Jack Armstrong
I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow, it's beginning to.
Joe Getty
Feel more seasonal in here already.
Jack Armstrong
If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender. Unless you've got a Bartesian because Bartesian crafts every cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds and I just got it for $50 off.
Joe Getty
Tis the season to be jollier.
Chris Wilner
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Dan Snow
History has made this world of ours History is the reason I'm talking to in English from a place called the UK with its castles, its warm beer and cricket. It's why the United States doesn't have King Charles and its currency, but Canada does. I'm Dan Snow and I host Dan Snow's History Hit podcast. If you want to know the origin stories of the cities we inhabit, why we've always been drawn dictators, or the long history of what's going on in the Middle east, we've got you covered. Learn about the past and understand our world today. Listen to Dan Snow's History Hit wherever you get your podcasts.
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Joe Getty
So you're in a subway car and a guy gets on looking crazy, yelling, he's willing to hurt people. He's willing to kill people to get what he wants. That would unnerve me. That's Daniel Penny. Obviously, if you've been following that case at all, who was acquitted this weekend is a free man now after he had decided to subdue this dude, put him in a chokehold, guy dies. And that's how it became such a national story. And he being charged with. What was the worst charge he had before it was dropped?
Chris Wilner
Oh, I can't remember. It was bad, though.
Joe Getty
He was gonna. He was gonna go to. He was gonna go to jail for a long time if he was found guilty. Let's hear a little more from the Daniel Penny interview before we roll on.
Chris Wilner
He was just threatening to kill people. He was threatening to go to jail forever, Go to jail for the rest of his life. And now where I'm on the ground with him, I'm on my back in a very vulnerable position. If I just would have let go. Now he turns. Why is that a vulnerable position? Well, If I just let him go, I'm on my back now. He can just turn around and start doing what he said to me. So killing, Killing, hurting.
Joe Getty
Yeah. So you get a hold of him, you're on the ground, you let him go, he's going to kick you in the head or punch you in the face or who knows what. You don't know if he's got a.
Chris Wilner
Knife on top of you. Judge.
Joe Getty
Yeah, I assume she was asking that question just to spell it out for her viewers.
Chris Wilner
Right? Yeah.
Joe Getty
Anyway, I'm gonna try to not make this like super dumbed down talk radio thingy because this is a complex issue. We talked already about the fact Elon Musk tweeted out yesterday a link to a San Francisco Chronicle article about homeless housing. And basically what a disaster the homeless housing thing is in San Francisco. And I'm sure it's the same in New York and everywhere else where they live in squalor. They fight and kill each other, they die of drug overdoses, they get evicted for failure to follow the rules, they threaten abuse staff. Nobody's being like, rehabbed or housed or taken off the streets. And Elon Musk said in most cases the word homeless is a lie. It's usually a propaganda word for violent drug addicts with severe mental illness. Well, we'll get to the life of Mr. Neely here in just a second. Who was all those things that Elon Musk just described. But some of the people who are very unhappy with the penny verdict from yesterday. The New York version of the civil Civil Liberties Union. This case will forever be a symbol of New York's failure to adequately care for people with mental health needs and those experiencing homelessness. Okay. They said Jordan Neely deserved basic human rights, a safe place to live, enough to eat and access to mental health care. He should still be alive today. We could go off on that topic of do all human beings deserve basic a place to live enough to eat and access to health care, or do you need to figure out a way to provide that in your life? But.
Chris Wilner
And I'm pretty sure it was a community note. Do you have the community note to that statement on Twitter? Somebody tweeted it out and commented after Neely punched an elderly.
Joe Getty
We're going to go through that whole thing.
Chris Wilner
Yeah.
Joe Getty
That whole timeline. Yeah. Great.
Chris Wilner
Al had all of those things, is the point. He was given all of those things.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Even after you get past my question of does everybody deserve that provided by the taxpayer, Everyone someplace to live, something to eat and health care. Okay. Reverend Al Sharpton yesterday. Jordan, I didn't know you. I know your aunt, and I've talked to your daddy. And one thing I promise is in your name. We're going to change how they deal with homelessness. And your name. We're going to change how they deal with the mentally ill. And now and then that started a movement toward raising money for all kinds of different things. Scholarships, a statue, a new rehab facility, a new homeless center. All of that will raise lots of money and nothing will be accomplished. And I'm not just being cynical here. I know because I've seen this happen before. You can easily get in an afternoon 100 grand to show up, to put up a statue. Somebody puts up a $15,000 statue and $85,000 just disappears someplace. Same thing with the scholarship. Same thing with a bunch of other stuff, right?
Chris Wilner
Well, and there's no question that we need to do a better job of dealing with the mentally ill. But, you know, this is a classic example of the something needs to happen. This is something. So therefore, this needs to happen. No, no. To bring me your solutions, let's talk about them.
Joe Getty
And again, I'm trying to make this realize this is. Recognize this is a complex issue. What do you do with mentally ill people? What do you do with drug addicts? But let's go through Mr. Neely's life. Mr. Neely racked up more than three dozen arrests in his life before he was choked to death. Many were of the sort that people living on the street often accrue while homeless, like turnstile jumping or trespassing. But at least four were on charges of punching people, two of them the subway system. We'll get to that later. Outreach workers noted that Mr. Neely heavily used K2, the powerful, unpredictable synthetic marijuana, which, by the way, when you're on it, will make you do horrible things, but will ruin your brain. And there ain't no fixing that. And what do we do with those people? Back to that. We'll get to that again later. In June of 2019, an outreach worker noticed that Mr. Neely had lost considerable weight and was sleeping upright. Around that time, he was reported to have banged on a booth agent's door and threatened to kill her, according to the workers notes. Then he was gone. At some point, Mr. Neely became a client of an intensive mobile treatment team, one of the squads of mental health clinicians who minister to people in the streets and shelters. I have a relative who actually does that kind of work. In March of 2020, the team had Mr. Neely taken to Bellevue Hospital, where he was kept for a week, according to homeless outreach records. It was not clear what contact the team had with him after that. This gets to Joey's Joe's point that. But he did get that care that Ace, the ACLU and CLU was claiming he deserved. Yeah, okay, he deserved it and he got it. In November of 2021, Mr. Neely's aggression seemed to peak when he punched a 67 year old woman in the street on the Lower east side, the police said. The woman suffered several facial injuries, including a broken nose, according to court documents. Obviously it's just luck that she didn't die. He was charged with assault and awaiting the resolution of his case, spent 15 months in jail, the police said, though his family said the stint was shorter. He pleaded guilty on February 9th of this year and a carefully planned strategy between the city and his lawyers to allow him to get treatment and stay out of prison. Treatment for your drug addiction, do you know what the goal is today? The judge said. Yes, Mr. Neely replied. What is the goal? To make it physically and mentally to the program. He was to go from court to live at a treatment facility in the Bronx and stay clean for 15 months and return his felony conviction. Conviction would be reduced. I don't know that that's what we need to do as a society. But anyway, he promised to take his medication and to avoid drugs and not to leave the facility without permission. This is a wonderful opportunity to turn things around and we're glad to give it to you, the prosecutor said. Thank you so much, Mr. Neely replied. Thirteen days later, he abandoned the facility. The judge issued a warrant for his arrest. He goes on to do a variety of other minor things and then shows up on the subway screaming and yelling, he's going to kill people. If he doesn't get what he wants, he gets in a choke hold and he's dead.
Chris Wilner
Right.
Joe Getty
So to Elon Musk's point, the word homeless is a lie. Most of the time. It's a. You got a drug addict here, maybe, maybe whose brain doesn't work because of their drug use. Are we going to address this or not? What would it take to get the country, the states, the cities to talk about it, like it, what, what it.
Chris Wilner
Really is, a educating Mr. And Mrs. Resident of whatever state you want to talk about so they understand this. But I think the way you cut through the misinformation about this is to take the profit out of it. There are billions and billions of dollars being given. People always talk about it being Spent, which is true. But it's being spent on something and someone is getting it. The people who are getting billions of dollars to to deal with a quote unquote homeless problem don't want to give that up. And they are frequently the cronies of the powerful. You combine those people with the well meaning but soft headed that have caused so many problems in our society and you just, you've got to take the profit out of it.
Joe Getty
I don't.
Chris Wilner
Because then you got to deal with the reality.
Joe Getty
Well, the reality is tough because even if we are going to today as a country decide, okay, no more calling it homeless, let's call it a drug addiction problem. Now what? I don't know the answer and I know, I think I know more than the average person knows about addiction and rehabs and all that sort of stuff. And they don't work very often in the best of cases.
Chris Wilner
Yeah, yeah. As a lover of liberty, I have had my mind changed on this topic in a significant way.
Joe Getty
Can't wait to hear that. I assume you're implying after this.
Chris Wilner
After this. Yeah. As I reach awkwardly for my hey.
Joe Getty
Joe Burrow, quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals who won on Monday night whilst his home was being broken into and his girlfriend or whoever was living there had to call the police. If you'd have had this simply safe active guard outdoor protection they would have seen this happening before the people got in and it would have been a much better situation.
Chris Wilner
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Joe Getty
Yeah. And you can set it up yourself. I did. I set it up on my old house. Then I moved to a new bigger house. Ordered some more sensors and cameras and stuff like that. Easy to do. Set it up. You don't have have to set it up yourself. They got people that will help you.
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Joe Getty
Safe before you get to your solution. I think this is true. Al Sharpton is a charlatan. He absolutely knows I get people worked up. They donate money to various things. I end up on the board or something. Get a Check. Or get to fly around and stay at a hotel and eat meals. Whatever. He's a charlatan. But I think like the ACLU version in New York, whatever. I think they actually believe that we're. It's a homeless problem and we're not doing enough to help homeless drug addicts. I think how they, how they ignore the fact the guy was in how many different facilities and offered how many. Why would society say that if you go to this rehab for a month, we'll forget the fact that you almost killed an old woman? I'm not sure society should say that to start with, but it doesn't work anyway.
Chris Wilner
Yeah, and he got food and housing and services over and over again. So what was I going to say? Oh, Al Sharpton is precisely what he's always been. He's a race hustler and a scammer and a black man.
Joe Getty
And Morning Joe has him on almost every single morning and takes him completely seriously on msnbc.
Chris Wilner
Oh, that's what I wanted to point out the ACLU people, that they're hardcore Marxists and I used to be a quote unquote, card carrying member of the ACLU because I'm a First Amendment freak, but that was back in the day. But like the Southern Poverty Law center and the naacp, they've turned into hard left neo Marxist organizations. They've evolved. It's a different beast than it used to be. But anyway, as a. Oh my gosh, look at the time. As a lover of liberal.
Joe Getty
Should we come back and allow time for this? We got two and a half, two hours and 15 more minutes. We should not rush through these things. These are important details.
Chris Wilner
Yeah, yeah, I hate to rush. Rush our way through important stuff that's nuanced.
Joe Getty
And I'll give us a short version of why I get so worked up about this topic. Because of what the police said to me when I was in this situation. Oh, makes me so freaking angry. Got all that on the way.
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So thank God Daniel Penney was acquitted. It still might be damaging to society to know that you could even be arrested and have to go through that. When I was standing between a crazed, violent, drug addict street person who was screaming at my small children who at the time were 5 and 7. I'm going to effing rape them, I'm going to effing murder them, I'm going to kill them, I'm going to bury them, I'm going to blah blah blah. Screaming at me, screaming at them. And I'm standing between him and there and he's like two feet from me. Me. In retrospect, I think I probably should have put my hands on the guy. Luckily it turned out the way he did. But it's just his mercurial, drug crazed mind that when after what seemed like an hour of this, it might have been three minutes, some guy started walking across the parking lot and he realized there's not only one dude here, but about to be two dudes. He started to walk away. Then he said, f you, I'm going to kill you. He reached in his jacket, I thought, crap, I'm going to die. He's got a gun, gun. And then he walked off. Turned out he didn't have a gun. I don't know if somebody's screaming, I'm gonna effing kill your kids. I suppose you can put your hands on him at that point. I, I don't know. Not in the town I live, I don't know. But anyway, I call the police. The first thing the cops say to me when I describe what's happening and everything like that was. And I said I got to deal with this, you know, my kids are crying and lobby. He said the real problem is that we don't have facilities for these people to be in. First thing that freaking cop said to wow. Now I complained about that on the air the next day and I think that's the react why I got the reaction I did out of the prosecutor and the police department. I think I got special treatment for being a media guy who embarrassed them on the air or that I wouldn't have gotten that. I really do.
Chris Wilner
I repeatedly Violent drug addict. The real tragedy is that he can't get help.
Joe Getty
First thing the guy said to me, how offensive is that?
Chris Wilner
Yeah.
Joe Getty
And so does that your actual belief about the world. Oh, my God.
Chris Wilner
Yeah. People are completely delusional about reality. They cannot accept reality. I've said this many times. The real divide in American politics is those people who are adults who understand reality and understand sometimes you have to do stuff that's sad or makes your heart hurt and you'd rather not, but you have to as a society. Some people can deal with that and some people cannot. And they are generally progressives who are wantonly cruel when they need to be, which is a bit of a. A paradox. But what I was about to say about the drug thing is. And you know, as a small L Libertarian, I always want to opt to the side of more liberty. But there are absolute perfect parallels between, like, some way out there libertarians who believe we ought to have open borders, free flow of labor. But they always say that there are little meetings where, you know, they concoct their ridiculous plans, but we need to completely eliminate the welfare state. And there you've come and you work, and if you don't work, you don't get anything. And then it will work. Well, that's utterly, completely, laughably unrealistic. There is no way you are going to get the people in the government of the United States to completely dismantle the welfare state. Stop it. You might as well talk about pigs flying information like the Blue Angels. So with the drug thing, and it's been interesting to watch it play out, particularly in Oregon where they decriminalized possession use of hard drugs, and actually ask the people of Oregon how that went. It's been a miserable, miserable failure. And they rescinded that law and are now back to at least to some extent cracking down on possession and use. I was swayed at one time in my life by the great libertarian setting, saying rather that drugs will ruin your life. Therefore, if we catch you with drugs, we're going to ruin your life. And I thought that was very clever, and it is, actually. But now here's the problem and it's. There's a parallel with the immigration thing in that if you say to me in society, yes, you can use and possess hard drugs if you like, but if you violate any of the rules and laws of man or God, you are going to suffer the full consequences of it. We're not going to let you say, but I was on drugs. If you ruin your mind, you're not get allowed to say, I'm sorry, I'm crazy. No, you have made the decision to use hard drugs. That road very quickly and directly toward the horrendous thing you did. You will feel the full weight of the law.
Joe Getty
As opposed to this guy that got choked to death by Daniel Penny, who had punched an old woman in the face, could have killed her. And they were gonna let that slide if he did the drug treatment thing.
Chris Wilner
Over and over again. Yeah, yeah. And it's well meaning that sort of program. And if you wanna have a one strike, you're out system, I'm willing to consider that. But the problem is like the immigration thing, there is no urge, there's no will that I've observed to do the second half of the equation. We're going to legalize hard drugs, decriminalize them, but if you across the line, you're going to full feel the full weight of the law. Americans don't seem, at least a large percentage of the electorate doesn't seem willing to do that. It strikes them as too mean or too cruel. And so you get the worst of both ends. You have all these people destroying their lives with addiction and screwing up cities and towns and hurting people and claiming more victims. Oh, and then the other end of this is that I think we do people a real favor by making it as difficult and miserable as possible to be a drug addict. Otherwise, society becomes the enabler.
Joe Getty
Oh, absolutely.
Chris Wilner
Society becomes the boyfriend or girlfriend that keeps giving them money and covering up for their crimes and the rest of it.
Joe Getty
No, we're the parents that let your drug addicted kid live in the basement and let them have a car and.
Chris Wilner
A phone and bail them out time and time again. It's just a simple reality. It's unfortunate and it feels mean, but yeah, it's inescapably true. You've got to make it miserable for people to become drug addicts. You know what? You get fewer drug addicts.
Joe Getty
Well, one thing is certain. What we're doing currently is not working.
Chris Wilner
Miserable failure.
Joe Getty
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Episode Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "He's Mumbling Into His Jello"
Release Date: December 11, 2024
Host/Authors: Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, and Chris Wilner
Podcast Description: The official, On-Demand podcast of The Armstrong & Getty Show! Accept no substitutes!
The episode delves into a critical analysis of the Biden administration's foreign policy, particularly focusing on the Middle East. Hosts Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, and Chris Wilner dissect the administration's approach towards key regional players and the resultant geopolitical shifts.
Support for Allies and Regional Shifts:
Criticism of Policy Effectiveness:
A significant portion of the discussion centers on the perceived decline of President Biden's influence juxtaposed with former President Trump's rising clout in both domestic and foreign arenas.
Trump's Enhanced Role:
Biden's Waning Authority:
The episode transitions to a deep dive into the tragic case of Jordan Neely, using it as a lens to examine broader societal issues related to mental health, homelessness, and the criminal justice system.
Chronology of Jordan Neely's Struggles:
Failures in Support Systems:
Building on the Neely case, Armstrong, Getty, and Wilner debate potential societal approaches to tackling addiction and homelessness, weighing libertarian ideals against progressive policies.
Libertarian Perspective:
Progressive Solutions and Critiques:
Adding a personal dimension to the discussion, Joe Getty shares a harrowing encounter that underscores the podcast's critiques of societal failures.
In wrapping up, Armstrong, Getty, and Wilner reiterate the urgency of addressing the systemic issues surrounding mental health, addiction, and homelessness. They advocate for policies that balance compassion with accountability, emphasizing that current approaches are insufficient and often exacerbate the very problems they aim to solve.
Call for Realistic Solutions:
Final Reflections:
Chris Wilner at [05:21]:
“Our approach has shifted the balance of power in the Middle East... new opportunities opening for the people of Syria and the entire regime.”
Joe Getty at [06:08]:
“Biden went AP on the phone with Netanyahu... screaming at him, you effing a hole...”
Chris Wilner at [09:55]:
“He is [Trump]. He is pulling many, many strings of foreign policy...”
Joe Getty at [36:42]:
“The reality is tough... addiction and abuse programs don't work very often in the best of cases.”
Chris Wilner at [37:59]:
“He was given all of those things,” referring to treatments Neely received.
Joe Getty at [40:17]:
“Al Sharpton is a charlatan.”
Joe Getty at [46:01]:
“The real tragedy is that he can't get help.”
In "He's Mumbling Into His Jello," Armstrong and Getty offer a poignant critique of contemporary American policies on foreign affairs, mental health, and societal support systems. Through incisive analysis and personal storytelling, the episode underscores the complexities and failures inherent in current approaches, advocating for more effective and accountable solutions to pressing societal issues.