Hide Your Daughters... I Mean Your Sons

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "Hide Your Daughters... I Mean Your Sons" (Feb 3, 2026)

Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode: Hide Your Daughters... I Mean Your Sons
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Date: February 3, 2026

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Overview

This episode is a characteristically fast-moving Armstrong & Getty conversation blending sharp political commentary, media criticism, pop culture, and biting humor. The episode’s core explores the boundaries of press freedoms, political trolling, the logic (or lack thereof) in celebrity activism, and modern polarization during shared events like the Super Bowl. The hosts particularly scrutinize Don Lemon’s legal troubles tied to activist journalism and satirize musical celebrities’ political statements, all while weaving in current events and historical analogies.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Trump, Trolling, and the Nationalization of Elections

[02:16–04:55]

• The hosts riff on Trump’s recent podcast appearance with Dan Bongino, specifically his suggestion that Republicans should "nationalize the elections."
• They note how this has whipped up strong reactions in the media, with headlines warning of an "escalation."
• Joe Getty argues that such proposals are typically "trolling" and unlikely to materialize due to systemic checks—comparing Biden’s stalled loan forgiveness to Trump’s provocations.

Notable Quote:

“It is unprecedented the extent to which Trump will troll.”
(Joe Getty, 03:33)

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2. Dan Bongino and the Role of Content Creators

[04:28–04:57]

• The hosts comment on Dan Bongino’s trajectory from fringe podcasting to mainstream roles and back.
• They note the differences between being an “unbound” content creator and a mainstream “government” media figure, hinting at broader shifts in trust and authenticity in media.

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3. Don Lemon, Journalistic Boundaries & Legal Consequences

[05:24–12:28]

• The central segment dissects Don Lemon’s role in a controversial church invasion during a protest, recently discussed in Jed Rubenfeld’s legal analysis.
• Joe Getty notes there is "no such thing as journalistic immunity"—even while telling a story about former newsman Marshall Phillips’s similar activist/journalist arrest.
• They probe the vague line between covering news and actively abetting a crime, pondering how the courts and Supreme Court will eventually need to clarify the standards.

Notable Quote:

“There’s no such thing as journalistic immunity in criminal law. So yes, he's potentially criminally liable, but proving he committed a crime will be quite difficult.”
(Joe Getty, 06:59)

• They humorously lament the idea of a major Supreme Court decision being called "Lemon," and highlight Eric Rossbach’s argument by analogy:

“By Lemon’s logic, the KKK could claim a first amendment right to storm a black church during services and stage a protest. Wow, that gets the first amendment completely backwards.”
(Joe Getty quoting Eric Rossbach, 22:16)

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4. Celebrity Activism: Lady Gaga, Billie Eilish, and the Grammys

[11:30–13:26; 36:34–44:00]

• Discussion on Lady Gaga’s public anti-ICE statements, noting the irony that she made these remarks from Japan, one of the world’s strictest countries regarding immigration.
• They criticize California’s proposed ban on hiring former ICE employees as cops or teachers.
• The show returns later to Billie Eilish’s "no one is illegal on stolen land" remark at the Grammys, skewering the logical contradictions and audience groupthink.

Notable Quotes:

"So in the country she is in, absolutely nobody can come in. But yay for your country, letting whoever the hell in all the time."
(Eric, 12:11)

“No one is illegal on stolen land.”
(Billie Eilish audio, 36:44 and 40:29)

“God, the internal illogic of it is so amazing… the fact that an auditorium full of people will cheer it wildly without spending a single second thinking about that contradiction and how dopey it is, no.”
(Joe Getty, 41:53)

• The pair invoke Ricky Gervais' famous Golden Globes admonition as wishful thinking for today’s celebrities:

“You’re in no position to lecture the public about anything… So if you win, come up, accept your little award, thank your agent, and your God and…”
(Ricky Gervais, 42:31)

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5. Super Bowl & the Loss of Shared Experience

[14:09–21:40]

• The hosts reference Drake May, Patriots quarterback, and his wife’s baked goods Instagram—celebrating a “normal” and “non-influencer” couple, a contrast to typical internet celebrity culture.
• They criticize the polarization of the Super Bowl experience, noting Turning Point USA's counter-programming to the halftime show:

“So now we're gonna all, all watch our own individual politicized halftime shows and have even fewer... last common experience[s] that we can talk about.”
(Eric, 20:00)

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6. Iran, War, and the Nature of Empires

[25:14–34:16]

• The conversation shifts to mounting US–Iran tensions, with references to pressure from Trump allies and the lessons (and risks) of military escalation.
• They muse about historical cycles of empires, referencing the fall of Carthage and the dangers of complacency.

Notable Quote:

“All empires fall. We will at some point. They all do.”
(Eric, 31:28)

• Discussion invokes the violence of Hannibal’s campaigns as a reminder that modern peace is fragile.

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7. AI, SpaceX, and the Next Tech Gold Rush

[43:41–46:45]

• The show explores Elon Musk's publicly announced plan to merge his AI company into SpaceX and build power-generating plants in space to supply the immense electrical needs of AI.
• They express skepticism and awe at the ambition.
• A brief sidebar discusses the furious pace of AI startup acquisitions and the resulting billion-dollar fortunes.

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8. Final Tease: Gender Debates and "Cruel Experiments"

[46:46–47:00]

• At the end, the hosts preview upcoming commentary on gender and youth, alluding to “cruel experiments on confused children” possibly ending, but cautioning the debate is far from over.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "It is unprecedented the extent to which Trump will troll."
  (Joe Getty, 03:33)

• "There's no such thing as journalistic immunity in criminal law. So yes, he's potentially criminally liable, but proving he committed a crime will be quite difficult."
  (Joe Getty, 06:59)

• "By Lemon’s logic, the KKK could claim a first amendment right to storm a black church during services and stage a protest. Wow, that gets the first amendment completely backwards."
  (Eric Rossbach, quoted by Joe Getty, 22:16)

• "So in the country she is in, absolutely nobody can come in. But yay for your country, letting whoever the hell in all the time."
  (Eric, 12:11)

• "No one is illegal on stolen land."
  (Billie Eilish audio, 36:44 and 40:29)

• "God, the internal illogic of it is so amazing... the fact that an auditorium full of people will cheer it wildly without spending a single second thinking about that contradiction and how dopey it is, no."
  (Joe Getty, 41:53)

• "You're in no position to lecture the public about anything… come up, accept your little award, thank your agent and your God and…"
  (Ricky Gervais, quoted by Joe Getty, 42:31)

• "All empires fall. We will at some point. They all do."
  (Eric, 31:28)

• "That’ll be something if an individual—not a country—builds the first giant power plant in space… to power his own stuff."
  (Eric, 45:09)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Trump, Bongino & Election Trolling: 02:16–04:55
• Don Lemon, Journalism & Law: 05:24–12:28, 22:16 for Rossbach quote
• Celebrity Activism/Grammys: 11:30–13:26; Eilish segment 36:34–44:00
• Super Bowl Polarization: 14:09–21:40
• Iran/Empire/History: 25:14–34:16
• Elon Musk, AI & Space Power: 43:41–46:45
• Closing Gender Debate Tease: 46:46–47:00

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Episode Highlights & Memorable Moments

• The takedown of Billie Eilish’s “no one is illegal on stolen land” at the Grammys, lampooning both the contradictory logic and the unthinking audience approval.
• Hilarious musings about “journalistic immunity,” drawing parallels to KKK church invasions and referencing circuitous and vague legal standards.
• Bemoaning the loss of shared American rituals, as political polarization fractures even the Super Bowl halftime show.
• Joe Getty’s invocation of history—Carthage, the Roman Empire, and the painful lessons of war.
• Skepticism and marveling at Elon Musk’s plan to build giant space power plants to fuel AI, framing it as the next gold rush.

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Conclusion

This episode shows Armstrong & Getty at their best—blending irreverent wit with sharp observations on media, law, politics, and culture. The show is packed with quotable lines, historical allusions, and a relentless questioning of modern groupthink and tribalism, delivered in their signature, punchy conversational tone. For listeners hungry for both entertainment and critical thinking—without the filter—this episode is a lively and incisive recap of the week’s most controversial stories.

Transcript

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[Eric]

So we have millions of people. Most of them are bad, to be honest with you. And by the way, if Republicans don't get them out, you will never win another election as a Republican if you don't get these. These people are all pitted so they vote and they make all this crap with the voting. Well, you can vote, you can do whatever you want. It's crazy. I mean, it's crazy how you can get these People to vote. And if we don't get them out, Republicans will never win another election. Okay, I don't want to spend a lot of time on this, but a lot of your news outlets are leading with it because you don't have time.

[Joe Getty]

To worry about the Constitution.

[Eric]

Trump did what he did does yesterday, trolled mainstream media and everybody who hates him. He said on that podcast with Dan Bongino that the Republicans should nationalize the elections. So that has gone crazy everywhere. In New York Times, Trump in an escalation, calls for Republicans to nationalize elections. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. People, nuts, people. There's heads exploding. Mark Calper in his newsletter today. Should you take this literally or seriously? Neither. I agree. It's just. He's just trolling and it's just what he does. Although, you know, January 6th happens, so I can understand how you think. Sometimes he says something, maybe I don't.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I get it. But there have been a couple of really good opinion pieces lately. One was entitled Trump Not Unchained. I think that may have been the Wall Street Journal editorial board. Then the Free press has been talking about how some of the proposals that are out there that shouldn't get through, they don't. The market or the bond market or the Republican leadership or the courts or our allies say, nope. And then it doesn't happen. No, it is unprecedented the extent to which Trump will troll. Joe Biden did a lot too, with, like, the loan forgiveness crap. That was never going to happen. It was unconstitutional. But, yeah, I'm not really worried about this one.

[Eric]

No. God, no. The number of things you would have to do or get various Congress and states and all these different things to get on board with just never gonna happen.

[Joe Getty]

I find the Dan Bongino story kind of interesting that he was a really successful out there, fringy conspiracy theory, hardcore red meat. Right. Podcaster. And then he got drafted to do a real job.

[Eric]

He also rescind some of the things he'd talked about in the past and.

[Joe Getty]

Stick only to facts and show up in a tie and be told what to do. And he did it for a little while and thought, I want to go back to doing a podcast.

[Eric]

First of all, it paid better.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. Vastly better. Vastly better. Right now, he's unbound by what's true. He can just say whatever he wants and entertain his audience. Anyway, good for him. Government work is not for everybody. So speaking of being a. I hesitate to use the word journalist. Provider of content. Content creator. You got America's bitterest fruit.

[Eric]

Don Lemon, we missed him coming into the Grammys as a clip yesterday. Did you see that standing ovation. Everybody cheering like crazy when Don Lemon was announced being there.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I already hated the modern world and the world of the Grammys, and now you've. You've. You've somehow stoked the fires of my hatred to, like, consuming a city level.

[Eric]

Geez, you're lifting up Don Lemon as a hero.

[Joe Getty]

All right? Who busted in with a bunch of Marxists and screamed and yelled and intimidated a church service into stopping? That's your hero, Don effing Lemon. I'm gonna look for another line of work. I'm gonna have a heart attack. This is too much. Too much. Anyway, speaking of, you know what? I can hardly restrain myself from using naughty words that people should not hear.

[Eric]

Well, he's out of jail now, right? Though he. He got. He got jailed, and now he is out, and now he's going to be charged with some sort of crime. And is this going to be your daughters.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, your sons. Don Lemon is back on the streets.

[Eric]

Wow. That's completely unnecessary.

[Joe Getty]

I had to do something to improve my own mood, all right? I had to amuse myself. I had to switch off the bitter. The bitter pipe and turn on the amused pipe. Yes, Michael, it amused me, too. Thank you. But.

[Eric]

So is this going to be. This is, like we talked about last week, kind of an interesting constitutional questions. Oh, beyond if I can, like, you know, do something crazy, and then immediately I got my cell phone on. I'm a journalist, so, hey, you know, I can do whatever I want.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Jed Rubenfeld does a lot of writing. He's a professional constitutional law at Yale Law School. Free speech lawyer. He writes for the Free Press, among others. And so the question is, is Lemon potentially criminally liable for invading the church service and forcing it to stop, which is absolutely clearly a First Amendment violation, or is he constitutionally protected? As short answer, there's no such thing as journalistic immunity in criminal law. So, yes, he's potentially criminally liable, but proving he committed a crime will be quite difficult. And he points out, many journalists seem to imagine that they can't be prosecuted if all they're doing is covering the news. And usually that's true. But reality is not so simple. By his own admission, Lemon met with the city's church protest group in advance, knew a lot about what they were planning to do, when and where they were planning to do it, kept those facts secret, and then entered and filmed the event while it was taking place. Now, imagine a Journalist did all that, but the event being planned was a murder instead of a church service invasion. If you're an accomplice to a crime, videotaping the criminal act and streaming that video does not make you immune from prosecution. That would be a get out of jail free card. And given the fact that everybody has a phone and the means to disseminate what they record, there can be no immunity for journalists. On the other hand, dragging this to court and indicting him under US Code Title 18, Section 241, Conspiracy Against Rights.

[Eric]

Well, my. On the other hand would be, you can't have journalists afraid to cover any story where people might get arrested, because they could just get arrested, too. So, you know, journalists all of a sudden can't, what, cover protests or anything or.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right.

[Eric]

That wouldn't be any good. But our old news guy, Marshall Phillips, he'd have been good to ask about this because he got arrested once as a journalist covering a Greenpeace story. And it's a very similar Don Lemon sort of thing, because he was a journalist covering the story. When they did something. I forget what they did. They broke into a. I don't know, a place where they're abusing a toad or something.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know, some water pipe, something or other.

[Eric]

Yeah, but he also was in agreement with their cause. Is it a journal? He was, like half an activist and journalist, but he got thrown in jail with the rest of them. And I don't remember how it turned out, but similar sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. The laws are too vague. This is heading for the supreme court probably in 37 years because they delay as long as they possibly can.

[Eric]

The idea of a major Supreme Court case being named for Don Lemon hurts my heart. Oh, well, you'll remember in Lemon, they ruled.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, wow, I'm back to being bitter again. I was fine there for a second. Now you've made me angry. Yeah, Everybody agrees that no, there's not some sort of blanket immunity, some get out of jail free card, blah, blah, blah. But nobody can figure out how to untangle it if the test seems to be. And the indictment actually that was filed seems to be leaning on several acts Lemon engaged in that look a lot like intentional assistance, for example, while live streaming. Before the event, Lemon kept his distance while the protesters were strategizing to keep critical, critical information hidden, thanked them and reminded them not to disclose the target of the operation on the live stream. Arguably, that's knowing encouragement and facilitation of their conduct, an attempt to help them succeed Indeed, it seems Lemon was giving them advice to help them succeed. Yeah, clearly he is guilty of a vague law. The so called face freedom of access to clinic entrances, which makes it a crime to obstruct people in a church with the intent to intimidate or interfere with anyone trying to worship there. But obstruction is defined narrowly. It means completely blocking an entrance or exit or rendering passage to or from the church unreasonably difficult or hazardous. Did he do that? No evidence we've seen suggests he did, writes Mr. Rubenfeld. He could still be guilty as an aider or a better but so the law says, as long as I say. Now remember folks, the exit is right here and you should feel free to use it. I can just run into any church service I want and scream and yell obscenities. Are up with Marxism or down with ICE or whatever.

[Eric]

Since we're talking about ice. Two things. Ice adjacent, obviously. At the Grammys the other night, that was a hot topic. I didn't realize the Lady Gaga stuff we played where she got up there and condemned ice and all that different sort of stuff, she was doing it live from Japan, one of the hardest countries to immigrate to in the entire world. They allow basically nobody who's not Japanese to come into the country screaming and cheering for open borders. In America, when she says, you know, we shouldn't, nobody could be illegal and all that sort of crap. So in the country she is in, absolutely nobody can come in. But yay for your country, letting whoever the hell in all the time. And California introducing a bill that would bar ICE employees from becoming cops or teachers anywhere in the state. Illinois, if you ever worked California, if you would ever work for ice. If you ever worked for ice. You can't be a cop or a teacher in California would be.

[Joe Getty]

That is so patently idiotic, I can't even summon the energy to comment on.

[Eric]

It is performative and it is what we do now, which is just inflating it.

[Joe Getty]

Is it? Well, that's one word for it. I wonder if Lady Gaga would say, I would prefer this actually, if she were to say, oh yeah, I know, I know it's ridiculous. But our young audience, they all believe this crap. They've been taught it in school. So if I say something like that, they see me as like their friend and protector and all. But of course, yeah, nothing could be more ridiculous than advocating what I advocated from Japan. It's hilariously ironic. I would prefer that sort of dishonesty and cynicism to the simple minded, you know, Stupidity that I think it probably is on a completely different topic. Word from our friends at Prize Picks. They have a special max discount for the big game. The big, big game. It's live on the app right now. Drake may needs just one passing yard for the max discount to win. Just add another player to your lineup and if your picks hit, you can cache in. So it's essentially a freebie.

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So Drake made the big quarterback for the Patriots, him and his wife. Very, very nice story. I thought we got a talking about his wife's baked goods. That's how I got into the cinnamon roll thing. And then, then another new thing that's going to happen with the super bowl on Sunday. If you don't like their halftime show, there is a. There's another option which makes us even more divided. That seems to be the theme of the week. Lots of stuff on the way. Stay here.

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She just made those for the lineman this week. That's my number one Puppy Chow. I'll put Puppy Chow number number three Pistachio bread. I think it's good. I'm not a fan. I'll put that at four and the Crumble Copy cashier. Yeah, I'll put that at two. That's Drake May, the quarterback of the Patriots asked to rank his wife's baked goods one through five because she has a she has an Instagram thing where she, she bakes. I thought, well, first of all, I'd never really heard him interviewed. He's a very like, normal seeming guy. They've been together since they were 12, him and his wife. And I thought, okay, is this one of those athlete things? You know, like some of the football.

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[Eric]

They're super hot and they, and they, they, they start their own career as a hottie? No, she looks like a mom and a wife in the kitchen showing how to bake cinnamon rolls. So she's got a thing where it's all about baking and stuff.

[Joe Getty]

All right, so she's not an enormous breasted bikini model, you know. Right, Yeah, I assumed it was that.

[Eric]

Well, she's not dressed in such a way that you would really know.

[Joe Getty]

But not that there's any with buxomness, certainly.

[Eric]

Yeah. But I'm kind of turned off by the whole athletes. Okay, now your hot wife has got her own career being your wife and.

[Joe Getty]

Wearing a bikini and an influencer or something.

[Eric]

I thought it was a very nice, cool night, seemed like normal people thing.

[Joe Getty]

So what's Puppy Chow? Do we know? I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

What?

[Eric]

That baked good is delicious. I'll bet it is too. Yeah, I'll bet it is too. Two other super bowl notes before we move on. One to combat what I guess they think will be Super Bowl. Not for them. Bad Bunny, the halftime show. And Roger Goodell, who's the commissioner of the NFL, came out yesterday and he said he, he, he has been talking with Bad Bunny's people and he doesn't expect there to be any controversy, just a good halftime performance by the number one streamed music artist in the world and et cetera, et cetera. Okay, say that if you want. I think there will be some politics.

[Joe Getty]

I wonder, because I know the NFL has full approval of everything that happens and I'll bet they hold a big chunk of change back.

[Eric]

Ah, maybe they do that. If I'm Bad Bunny, just to make.

[Joe Getty]

Sure you toe the line.

[Eric]

If I'm Bad Bunny, I just focus on my music, but that's me. But if you don't, if you don't like that. Turning Point USA is having a counter programming halftime show at the same time that they're putting together, including Kid Rock and a couple other people that you can watch if you want to do that. So there we go. So now we're gonna all, all watch our own individual politicized halftime shows and have even fewer. We want to get rid of that last common experience that we can talk about. Yeah, let's get rid of the last common thing that we all watch.

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Shared experience. Right.

[Eric]

Get rid of them all.

[Joe Getty]

How about I just talk to my friends and eat and drink too much?

[Eric]

And then this one you'll kind of only get if you're a 49ers fan. I got this text from a Seahawks fan friend of mine yesterday. We're corresponding back and forth about the Epstein files, which I want to talk about coming up later, but he said, oh, and by the way, my Seahawks are going to win the super bowl in the 49ers stadium, and you can't stop us. That is a pretty good flex if you're.

[Joe Getty]

Because that's quite a rivalry.

[Eric]

That's quite a rivalry. We're going to win the super bowl in your stadium. You aren't there.

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[Eric]

I'm rooting for the Patriots because of the cinnamon rolls.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Not only did we spank you and send you home, we're going to come into your house and win a Super bowl and hoist the trophy. So enjoy that. Oh, you bastards. Your ospreys. Oh, there. There's a fair amount of angst, by the way, in San Jose, which is Santa Clara. Might as well be to say it's all part of the South Bay and very close to each other. All the festivities, all the sexy stuff is happening in San Francisco, which is, you know, quite a drive if there's any traffic at all from Santa Clara, as opposed to in beautiful San Jose.

[Eric]

How long would that take in traffic?

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[Eric]

What's happening here? Downtown San Francisco to Santa Clara. How long in traffic? Hour and a half in traffic? Yeah, probably. You're probably looking at two hours. That's not exactly. If you're on the east coast, you'd be going through three states.

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Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, there's another super bowl note I wanted to get to. Where is it? It doesn't matter. Oh, hey, can I squeeze in one more thing about the Don Lemon thing? Number one, Don Lemon ought to be in jail or getting ass beaten, but certainly we never encourage violence. In the Armstrong, you get a show that nobody should. That may be the only legal recourse. I'm not sure. An ass beating is, quote unquote, illegal recourse, but I almost left out Eric Rossbach, who's vice president and senior counsel at the Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty, said this. Neither journalists nor protesters enjoy any constitutional right to Invade someone else's private space, blah blah blah. By Lemons logic, the KKK could claim a first amendment right to storm a black church during services and stage a protest. Wow, that gets the first amendment completely backwards. You defenders of Don Lemon help me understand how that's not exactly right.

[Eric]

Yeah, I don't see a logical flaw there off the top of my head.

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Now we can talk more about any thoughts.

[Eric]

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[Eric]

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[Joe Getty]

Trump allies and Iran hawks are putting pressure on the White House in the wake of the Iranian regime's deadly protest crackdown. President Trump, you said help is on the way. That has to be real. It has to be real. Soon. You're Reagan. Plus, this is the defining moment in your presidency. Stand by the people. The Ayatollah falls, the region changes. Bigger than the fall of the Berlin Wall.

[Eric]

Yeah, that was Sunday. And Lindsey Graham, I think, appealing to Trump's place in history, which is, you know, not just a Trump thing. And lots of people have done that with presidents, whether it's Abraham Lincoln or Prime Minister Winston Churchill or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

People appealing to W. Bush. Sure, sure.

[Eric]

Your role in history with this big decision to make before we get a little more of the where things are now with our negotiations with Iran. Ian Bremmer tweeted out last night, Trump is demanding far more than the old nuclear deal and Iran is unlikely to agree. That leaves force in the risk of a wider war with real consequences for oil and geopolitics. If the US Hits Iran's leadership, which I think we would, oil will spike, markets will react, and Russia and China will be paying attention, unlike Venezuela. This is going to be very hard to keep a local. History has got so many examples of this sort of thing where, you know, you overreact or underreact the most recent event, and then things swing wildly the other way. And like, so we had this incredibly huge success in Venezuela with the military buildup and no fallout, no loss of life and all that sort of thing. And then you start to feel a little invincible. And then maybe, you know, hitting Iran turns into a, like the history of many, many wars, much longer and more difficult than you thought it was going to be.

[Joe Getty]

I would certainly hope we're working our Gulf State frenemies behind the scenes as vigorously as possible.

[Eric]

God, I hope so, too. Why wouldn't Saudi Arabia, like, want to join in? Let's do. In Iran once and for good, your main enemy. Let's just finish them off.

[Joe Getty]

I think a you got two things. Number one, if I assume they're being sincere, it's a desire to avoid chaos because you never know what's going to happen. They feel like Iran is contained, it's weak. We can live with the status quo, says MBS for instance, right now. But it's also possible that it's insincere that they and this is the longtime story of our quote unquote, partners in the Middle East. Behind the scenes, they say, yeah, we totally get it. We know what you got to do. Go ahead and do it. But you understand we've got to be out saying this is an outrage, this is cannot stand. We are against imperialism. We're not going to do anything about it. But to keep our people quiet, we've got to act like we're against it. That may be what's going on here.

[Eric]

Here's a little more of Jennifer Griffin on Fox laying out what's happening right now.

[Joe Getty]

After a warning from centcom, Iran now says it has no plans to carry out live fire exercises in the Strait of Hormuz, despite announcing last week the IRGC navy would be holding drills in the narrow strait. In the Red Sea, the guided missile destroyer USS Delbert D Black conducted a joint military exercise with Israel Sunday.

[Eric]

Americans should know that if they start.

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[Joe Getty]

President Trump said he plans to give negotiations a chance.

[Eric]

Right now we're talking to them, we're.

[Joe Getty]

Talking to Iran and, and if we could work something out, that'd be great. And if we can't.

[Eric]

Probably bad things would happen. Probably bad things would happen. We have a lot of firepower there right now and we're bringing more in.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, this is really a unique set of circumstances. I mean, Iran's power structure is weird. Nobody quite understands it. If we were to hit them hard and the possibility of a regional war looms, what's the IRGC going to do? Are they going to break off from the ayatollah? And having no desire to see their incredibly profitable fiefdom undone, they'll reach out to the Trump administration quite possibly and say, look, we're ready to do business. We got rid of old weird beard or you helped us to let's all come to hell down. We don't need nukes.

[Eric]

Who knows? How religious are they? I don't think anybody really knows that.

[Joe Getty]

It's probably a mix of fundamentalists and, you know, just materialist greenheads how about the people? Where do the people of Iran flow on this? Depends on the nature of the attacks and how sustained. I mean, they can send rockets to and fro in a way that will hurt people, kill people and damage a hell of a lot of property, including some of our best and brightest kids. And I don't want that for a second. But beyond that, what are you gonna have like the Republican Guard or the Iranian army attack Saudi Arabia in an effort to, I don't know, something. It just, I mean, if there are a hell of a lot of potential conflicts in the world that if you know anything about it, you can guess. Okay, they're either gonna do this or that. There's like, you know, I hate to indulge in the cliche, but they're like, you know, riddles wrapped in conundrums wrapped in, you know, mysteries with Iran and how they might react. On the other hand, I was thinking about it. You about swayed me the other day. War hawk Jack Armstrong with the status quo is awful. And there's no indication that the status quo will get less awful, except maybe in the near term because they're scared. And so they're going to pretend to negotiate for a while like they've done a dozen other times. But Iran's going to keep Iran. And unless something changes fundamentally, it's tempting.

[Eric]

I don't know. I was doing a deep dive on the Punic wars yesterday. I was listening to a podcast about Hannibal invading the Roman Empire and that whole story and either know it or.

[Joe Getty]

You don't, but I don't. Is that Carthage?

[Eric]

Carthage, right. And that's what I was going to bring up as Carthage, which was the.

[Joe Getty]

Carthage in my knees is all worn.

[Eric]

Out little area in North Africa that was. And this, this is the only reason I bring is just all empires fall. We will at some point. They all do. And when it happens, you know, who knows. But Carthage was the mayor major player in that area of the world for 600 years. But then finally, you know, a new power like China or whatever, the world changes.

[Joe Getty]

And that was Rome.

[Eric]

Absolutely. Just laid waste to the place, eventually just destroyed it. There's still ruins there, but I mean it just never even grew back as a city.

[Joe Getty]

I couldn't have told you what continent Carthage was on. I assumed it was in Europe somewhere.

[Eric]

But yeah, it was a North Africa, Tunis.

[Joe Getty]

Right across like a glorified lake from Europe.

[Eric]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

The reason for their immigration problems, obviously.

[Eric]

Yeah. Short boat ride and they would go over there and ruled. Ruled by that whole area For a very, very long time. But, but, but, and then this is aside, this has nothing to do with anything other than I thought it was interesting. One of the greatest bloodlettings in the history of warfare on the planet is Hannibal. And I forget which battle it was, but he ended up surrounding the Roman army and basically destroyed the Roman army. They killed, they think between 60 and 80,000 Roman soldiers in one day. They had them surrounded with swords. Can you imagine what a physical job that would be?

[Joe Getty]

You'd get so tired from hacking people apart. I mean you'd have to go rest for a couple hours.

[Eric]

Yeah, they did have to rest. They had to rest for days. Which played into them not moving forward to Rome and ending up taking over the Roman Empire and then Rome fights back, blah blah, blah. But you know, take a history class if you want to learn that. But just unbelievable. The, the, the, the, the writings about what that was like in the hot heat and the blood everywhere and everything, just stunning. God, the world is gruesome.

[Joe Getty]

It is, it is, it's horrifying and it's difficult for modern people with our technology and our comfortable lives and our sophistication to, to imagine. And we all act like it's in the past, right?

[Eric]

And it could happen again so easily. If you don't have somebody that keeps the order like the United States has for the last 80 years us with the help of Europe.

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[Eric]

Woof.

[Joe Getty]

So I am no war monger. I think I just understand that armed conflict will never go away from humankind. You got to be smart, you got to be judicious. You cannot spend lives carelessly. That's an obscene thing to do. On the other hand, can you imagine describing to any sort of political expert or historian, okay, here's an empire that wants to keep its empire and has been primarily a very benevolent empire. Like what it tries to do is spread peace and prosperity. But this empire finds itself in a place where if it isn't sure the outcome of something, it doesn't do anything. It just plays safe bets how long?

[Eric]

Let him prevent defense. You might see it on Sunday.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, how. How do you like their chances? And no, that's not an argument for recklessness or spending lives unnecessarily. But you've got a malign force like Iran, which has proved for 50 years how rotten and evil they are and they're the weakest they've ever been. You know, beware of parallels in history, but I'm reminded of when Elois Shickle Gruber. I don't want to get the bell. When Hitler's army was way overstretched and was in the Sudetenland and any decisive blow by the Brits or the French would have ended the Third Reich right then. But they're like, we're not exactly ready. We're not sure how it end. Maybe we negotiate more, I don't know. And Hitler took that time to reinforce his troops and on it went to the horrors that we all know. So tough stuff.

[Eric]

So the clapbacks against Billie Eilish continue. And I'm enjoying all of them. I'm enjoying all of them because it is one of the dumbest things an.

[Joe Getty]

Adult has ever said out loud.

[Jack Armstrong]

No one is illegal on stolen land.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God. Go clean your room. Okay. Clean your room. The adults are talking.

[Eric]

Or play me a fine melody because you're good at that, but lay off anything that involves critical thinking. But anyway, we've got a little of that and a bunch of other stuff on the way. Stay here.

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[Eric]

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[Eric]

So that was a very nice way of the Indian tribe saying, oh, yeah, if it's stolen land, your house is on.

[Joe Getty]

How about you give us your house.

[Eric]

Billy? I was you.

[Joe Getty]

And at the same time, the notion that, you know, my ancestors hundreds of years ago used to hang around here. So it's essentially mine. What? No, it's not.

[Eric]

Well, they. Quiet. So this person, Colin Wright, commented on this, and this is pretty good. This is Billie Eilish saying, no human is illegal on stolen land.

[Jack Armstrong]

No one is illegal on stolen land.

[Eric]

Which is, you know, really ranks. And the crowd cheered. So all of those people need to be held to account, those of you who cheered.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, you've got to bring back up that James Lindsay analysis of that sentence, how it's a very reminiscent of Maoist slogans because it doesn't really make any sense, but. But you think, what? Yeah, Hooray.

[Eric]

Yeah, the way appeals to pleasure centers in your brain in certain ways, these.

[Joe Getty]

Slogans, but it's confusing, so it turns off your logic.

[Eric]

Yes, yes, that's so. It's so interesting. And we've all had that experience, even if we're, you know, ramrod straight enough to ignore it and know, yo, you're not going to get me with this. But you can feel in your brain, it's like, okay, it's got some nice words in there that sound pretty good. And I don't quite know why, but this is wrong. It's weir.

[Joe Getty]

Weird.

[Eric]

Weird how that stuff works. Anyway, this guy tweeted out, you cannot simultaneous believe simultaneously believe these two things. One, all borders are fake and should not be policed, and two, that land can be stolen. Those things can't go together.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Eric]

Obviously.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Eric]

It just doesn't work.

[Joe Getty]

Either land belongs to everybody who's on it just because they're on it, or the people before own it and the other people ought to be kept at bay by, I don't know, a border.

[Eric]

Right, Right.

[Joe Getty]

God, the internal illogic of it is so amazing. And again, the fact that anybody can be that nutty or dumb doesn't surprise me. But the fact that an auditorium full of people will cheer it wildly without spending a single second thinking about that contradiction and how dopey it is, no.

[Jack Armstrong]

One is illegal on stolen land.

[Joe Getty]

That makes me insane. You know what we need? You know what we need? Right? We need Ricky Gervais, the great Ricky Gervais from 2020 at the Golden Globes. Ricky, hit it. 32. Michael, if you do win an award tonight, don't use it as a platform to make a political speech.

[Eric]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

How dare you.

[Eric]

He, Ricky Gervais actually retweeted that after the Grammys and said, they just don't learn.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's.

[Eric]

I don't know. Somebody ought to get to them. Somebody needs to break through the wall of the sycophants and the handlers and the people who profit off of them and say, hey, this is actually doing you more harm than good.

[Joe Getty]

This is. People are.

[Eric]

The bulk of people hate this. You're cutting off half of your customers for no gain. I know they're cheering in this room. So you think, oh, my God, the whole country wants to carry me around on their shoulders. But that's not actually what's happening out in the real world.

[Joe Getty]

And the people who are cheering, you were already on your side. Yeah. So you've gained nothing, right? Yeah. Yeah. Kill me.

[Eric]

Do you understand this story that got a lot of attention yesterday?

[Joe Getty]

Elon Musk is plotting, going to some Irish village and saying, you know, I own this place. My, my ancestors, hundreds of years ago, they, they owned it, so it's mine. I get a shilleli up my wazoo. Yes.

[Eric]

And that would be unpleasant right up me McGillicuddy. So Elon Musk, Elon is combining AI with SpaceX, creating the world's most valuable private company. Do we understand what this means? Seemed to be a big deal. Elon. Elon, his argument was, the most valuable private company in the world. He's rolling his whole AI thing into SpaceX together. But the idea is there's just no way you can come up with enough energy on planet Earth to run what AI is going to require because it takes so much electricity. So he's going to combine the two, and in space, he's going to build these electric generation power plants. He's going to build power plants in space because he can't do them on planet Earth. And that's going to run the AI and that's why he had to combine SpaceX with AI that's what he on said yesterday. And it is supposedly a really, really big deal.

[Joe Getty]

And then what do we do? Run an extension cord to Pluto? I don't know how that works.

[Eric]

But.

[Joe Getty]

That'll be something if an individual batteries back and forth.

[Eric]

Not a country which has been doing, you know, most of the big stuff in space forever. Now, Elon's obviously made his own dent, but ad guy might build the first giant power plant in space that's maybe bigger than anything that's on earth to power his own stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Which would be his own AI. Taken at what cost?

[Eric]

No idea.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, he's a visionary and I'm not, so I wish him well in the endeavor, but that seems looney tunes to me.

[Eric]

And all of this while raising 13 kids. It's just incredible.

[Joe Getty]

I got two kids and I barely have nursery. Changing diapers, I have two kids, I.

[Eric]

Barely have time to tie my shoes. And Elon can do all these things. Quite amazing. But yeah, well, so that is a very so chat. GPT is gonna go talking about going public. Do you think I'm thinking about investing in one of these? I'm only I want to get in and like, you know, Nvidia took off. I wish I gotten in on that five years ago.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I could see taking a flyer on something like that. If you can afford to, you know, have it go away. Yeah, why not?

[Eric]

I don't want to be left behind. Oh, I was reading the other day about. About all of these AI startups that have been acquired in the last year or so as the Googles and the open AIs and everything like that. Don't want competition or you come up with a good idea that they want and they just throw so much money at these things. I mean, you can. You can come up with an idea and in six months they give you $20 billion to buy it from you or whatever just insane amounts of money that are getting thrown around. The new gold rush in Silicon Valley.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow.

[Eric]

Wish I weren't.

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So coming up, a gender bending madness update. The cruel experiments on confused children may be coming to an end. But the woke crowd is not going away without a fight.

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Armstrong and Getty.

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