Hoarding Mode

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "Hoarding Mode"
Date: May 5, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty riff on the challenges of human nature—from weight loss to social interactions—while dissecting current headlines. They're in their element: sharp, irreverent, and insightful, weighing in on public events like the Met Gala, California's political scene, and economic policies—with the signature Armstrong & Getty humor and skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points and Segments

1. Cinco de Mayo: Origins and Stereotypes

[03:17 – 05:00]

• Jack and Joe kick off with typical comedic banter about Cinco de Mayo's Americanized traditions.
  • Jack pokes fun at the misconceptions:
    "A lot of people mistakenly think that it's Mexico's Independence Day, so remember to correct people if you want to be the most annoying guy at happy hour." —Jack [03:51]
  • A humorous fake origin is floated:
    "Cinco de Mayo, which commemorates the day that French armies were defeated at the Battle of Puebla by drunk blonde girls in sombreros." —Guest [04:04]
  • They blame the holiday’s popularity on the food and beverage industry filling a calendar gap.

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2. Cruise Ship Hantavirus Outbreak

[05:17 – 09:16]

• Coverage of a deadly hantavirus outbreak aboard a luxury liner.
  • News report: Three dead, one in intensive care, passengers quarantined.
  • The duo lampoons the media’s penchant for highlighting the most hysterical interviewees: "You know, one thing the news does is they find the most hysterical person in any given situation and use them as the face of it." —Jack [08:07]
• They muse on legal repercussions, infection risks, and public panic: "I'd be texting and emailing with lots of lawyers. This is going to be a huge deal." —Jack [08:37]

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3. Why Do We Talk? Self-Aggrandizement in Conversation

[09:16 – 14:19]

• Sparked by a Plato quote, Jack launches a thought experiment: What if you could only speak without self-aggrandizement?
  • "Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools because they have to say something." —Quote read by Joe [09:29]
  • The hosts ponder motivations for small talk, anecdotes, and the unspoken drive to impress.
  • Jack:
    "If you eliminate all the times that it's going to be something that makes you look better... how often do you ever talk?" —[10:45]
  • Joe (classic dry introvert):
    "That experience sounded fairly mundane to me. But you two are really happy that you're exchanging that conversation... it establishes some sort of connection between you that I don't get a buzz from the way you people do." —Joe [12:34]

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4. Social Interaction Styles & Mundane Conversations

[15:52 – 17:23]

• The duo reflects on why people love trading everyday stories.
  • "Women, because the way women relate to each other especially, are coalition builders. And any signal that says, we're friends, we're teammates, we're allies, we're part of a coalition, feels really good." —Joe [16:23]
• Joe shuns mundane storytelling, referencing Rob Becker’s "Defending the Caveman" to explain gender-based social differences.

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5. Met Gala, Wealth, and Hypocrisy

[20:35 – 24:24]

• Critical take on the Met Gala, celebrity activism, and performative politics.
  • Jack mocks Sarah Paulson’s “dollar bills over her eyes” protest against the 1%: "You're the rich. Go ahead and give all of it to the government if you would like. Nobody's stopping you." —Jack [22:34]
  • Joe weighs in:
    "How about you cram a bag of nickels in your mouth and shut up?" —Joe [23:04]
• Discuss why the public resents such elite spectacles: "It's the prettiest people, the richest people, the most powerful people having a spectacle to let us know you can't come to this." —Jack [23:42]

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6. California Politics: LA Mayor & Governor Races

[27:09 – 34:46]

• Jack analyzes innovative campaign tactics and competitiveness in the Los Angeles mayoral race.
  • Spencer Pratt’s viral ad: contrasts his Airstream trailer with Mayor Karen Bass's mansion. "Being hailed by political experts as a really good ad. That's good stuff." —Jack [29:40] "Pratt’s reply was, they're just validating the entire premise of our commercial. She doesn't care if there are homeless drug addicts in front of your home... but God help her if a man in a suit takes a picture on the public street for two minutes." —Jack [30:32]
• Governor’s race: preview of debates, candidate strategies, polling updates.
  • Jack compliments an ad by Katie Porter: "That's called hanging a lantern on it. If you have a deficit, you try to highlight it yourself so it takes the sting out of it." —Jack [33:41]

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7. The Billionaire Tax and Fiscal Reality

[34:46 – 39:04]

• Panel dismembers the push for a California wealth/billionaire tax.

  • Gavin Newsom and Gray Davis (both Democrats) criticize it on practical grounds: "Billionaires do need to be taxed more, but just not at the state level. Capital moves. And... we've already seen dozens and dozens of people leave the state." —Gavin Newsom [35:17] "A wealth tax is a self-inflicted wound." —Gray Davis, former governor [36:11]
  • Repeat the statistic:
    "45% of all tax revenue for the entire state of California" comes from "the top 1%." [36:53]

• Joe’s rhetorical question: "Is there any logical argument that can trump envy in politics? I think the answer's probably no at this point in our history." —Joe [38:09]

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8. Uplifting Astronaut Interview—Then Right Back to Cynicism

[39:14 – 41:10]

• A rare feel-good moment: Teenage girl asks astronaut Victor Glover about being the first Black person to orbit the moon.
  • Glover dodges racial focus, emphasizing teamwork: "I spent a lot of time thinking about this patch and this patch and not this patch." [39:39]
• Jack applauds his answer but then rails against overemphasis on identity:
  "Those questions are freaking stupid and people should stop asking them." —Jack [40:38]

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9. The Science (and Frustration) of Weight Loss: Adaptive Thermogenesis ("Hoarding Mode")

[44:56 – 48:13]

• Jack riffs on the biological difficulties of keeping weight off:
  • "Our bodies adapted to, if we start to lose weight, it goes into calorie hoarding mode to make sure you don't lose weight so you don't die... now we have more food than we need." —Jack [45:06]
  • Even minor activities trigger the body to slow metabolism elsewhere:
    "Even with that minor calorie loss of a 30-minute walk, your body goes into adjustment mode… your body is going to fidget less, change your posture to save energy..." —Jack [46:20]
  • Joe's response:
    "This is radio. You can't see that my head is in my hands." —Joe [47:07]
• Broader message: the struggle against one’s own biology, with Jack wishing for a CRISPR fix:
  "Get your CRISPR going. We all need the CRISPR technology to reverse that thermogenesis thingy that I just mentioned because that sucks." —Jack [47:54]

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Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong:
  "If you eliminate all the times that it's going to be something that makes you look better... how often do you ever talk?" [10:45]
  "Pratt’s reply was, they're just validating the entire premise of our commercial. She doesn't care if there are homeless drug addicts in front of your home... but God help her if a man in a suit takes a picture on the public street for two minutes." [30:32]
  "Those questions are freaking stupid and people should stop asking them." [40:38]
  "Get your CRISPR going. We all need the CRISPR technology to reverse that thermogenesis thingy that I just mentioned because that sucks." [47:54]

• Joe Getty:
  "That experience sounded fairly mundane to me. But you two are really happy that you're exchanging that conversation... it establishes some sort of connection between you that I don't get a buzz from the way you people do." [12:34]
  "How about you cram a bag of nickels in your mouth and shut up?" [23:04]
  "Is there any logical argument that can trump envy in politics? I think the answer's probably no at this point in our history." [38:09]
  "This is radio. You can't see that my head is in my hands." [47:07]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:17] - Cinco de Mayo banter and myths
• [05:17] - Cruise ship hantavirus outbreak
• [09:16] - Thought experiment: Why do we talk?
• [15:52] - Social styles; "Defending the Caveman"
• [20:35] - Met Gala hypocrisy
• [27:09] - LA mayor & CA governor race deep dive
• [34:46] - California’s wealth tax: Reality check
• [39:14] - Victor Glover, identity, and astronaut Q&A
• [44:56] - Adaptive thermogenesis: Why weight loss is so tough

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Tone and Style

The episode is classic Armstrong & Getty: a blend of irreverence, wit, cynicism, and cultural critique, often oscillating between comic relief and serious political analysis.

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Summary

This episode skillfully navigates the intersection of current events, psychology, and everyday struggle, with Jack and Joe delivering humorous, pointed social commentary. From the folly of performative virtue at elite galas to the Sisyphean battle against evolutionarily “hoarding” bodies, it’s a tour of modern American contradictions—served with sarcasm and a healthy dose of skepticism.

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Useful for:
Anyone interested in politics, pop culture, human nature, or just in need of a smart, sardonic take on the headlines without having to endure the commercials and cruft.

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broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty. It is Cinco de Mayo, the annual Mexican holiday that I believe commemorates the

[Joe Getty]

five jars of mayo that miraculously lasted for eight nights.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cinco de Mayo is the fourth drunkest holiday in America. That's true. It's the fourth. Yeah.

[Guest or Caller]

The first three are St. Patrick's Day, so thank you.

[Jack Armstrong]

It would be amazing, though. A lot of people mistakenly think that it's Mexico's Independence Day, so remember to correct people if you want to be the most annoying guy at happy hour.

[Caller or Guest]

It's a common mistake, actually.

[Guest or Caller]

De Mayo, which commemorates the day that French armies were defeated at the Battle of Puebla by drunk blonde girls in sombreros.

[Joe Getty]

That's my favorite.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a common mistake, actually. It's not Mexican inmates. I think what probably happened is the bars and beer and restaurant industry got together and said, we need something. We got a blank spot between St. Patrick's Day and Memorial Day. Then we got Fourth of July. We need something. Yeah. About May.

[Joe Getty]

Restaurant entrepreneurs said, we gotta have our

[Jack Armstrong]

big day, make something up. We need one between St Patrick's Day in March and Memorial Day. And then they picked the date and made something up. And then there you go. This didn't exist when I was a kid.

[Joe Getty]

I tell you, as a youngster, I couldn't hear enough about the Battle of Pueblo. It's so obviously something.

[Jack Armstrong]

They probably.

[Joe Getty]

The name is probably known to the guy who came up with it because he had a Mexican restaurant in San Diego or something like that. And he was like, yeah, we need to. We need a promotion. Well said. Dr. Jill. Would you look at this?

[Jack Armstrong]

Is this infected?

[Joe Getty]

Dr. Jill,

[Jack Armstrong]

couple of California political races, we're going to touch on that I think are interesting to you whether you live in California or not. The mayoral race in Los Angeles, he got a, an upstart trying to dethrone the current loser with a really interesting tactic that's getting a lot of attention and is controversial. Then you got the governor's race, which Gavin Newsom is done because he's running for president. And they have my effing office. They have a debate tonight and we have an ad from one of the candidates in that. So we'll get to that a little bit later this hour. Maybe you've been following this story. Usually on your cruise ships. It's norovirus, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which doesn't kill you very often, but makes you crazy, crazy sick. But I went through my family one time, everybody in the house got it. Non stop vomiting for like 24 hours. I never got it, thank God.

[Joe Getty]

But cruise passengers tend to be older, so that can be pretty dangerous to older folks.

[Jack Armstrong]

But not like this hantavirus which kills like half of people that get it or something. I mean it's. The hantavirus is bad and they got it on this cruise ship because of rodent droppings. And then no port will let them, let them get off the boat. Anyway. Here's a news version of that.

[News Reporter]

With a suspected outbreak of hantavirus on a luxury cruise ship. Three passengers are dead and another is in intensive care. Medics are now working to evacuate three people on board the Dutch based ship which has been refused permission to dock in Cape Verde off West Africa. Jake Rosemaryn, one of 17Americans trapped on board.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's happening right now is very real

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Guest or Caller]

We're people.

[Jack Armstrong]

People with families with BL lives with people waiting for us at home. Well, you shouldn't have booked a trip on something called rat crap ocean liner. That would suck. I mean, the fact that there are three dead people and one in intensive care and you're in your room hoping you don't catch it would suck. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I hate to judge a guy in a difficult position like that, but I'll go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was a guy.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. Yeah, I don't think I'd be quite that weepy. I think I'd be more like, hey, there are plenty of medical facilities that can handle this. We need to doc some more quickly. Who's in charge here? Come on, let's get this done.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd be. We got, we got another piece to

[News Reporter]

this Story Hantavirus is a rare but serious illness spread by exposure to rodents. It's the same virus that killed Gene Hackman's wife, Betsy Arakawa last year.

[Jack Armstrong]

There is no documented person to person transmission, but the risk is in the environment. Places like cabins, barns, or areas that are infested with rodents are considered high risk and those are areas you want to avoid.

[News Reporter]

Tonight, passengers are being told to stay in their cabins.

[Jack Armstrong]

All we want right now is to feel safe, to have clarity and to get home. You know, one thing the news does is they find the most hysterical person in any given situation and use them as the face of it. And I'm guessing similar to what you said, that most of the people on the ship who are probably quite angry about this and maybe scared aren't falling

[Joe Getty]

apart like that person are demanding specific action as opposed to, we're real people

[Jack Armstrong]

and we figured I might go with the angle of. Yeah, I've been texting and emailing with lots of lawyers. This is going to be a huge deal. I would Doc now if I were you, that's the angle I'd probably go.

[Joe Getty]

You can't. If they won't let you, we'll get

[Jack Armstrong]

a hold of somebody, make it happen. But if it's not transferred person to person, what are the, what are the various ports worried about?

[Joe Getty]

I really don't know. It's, it's West Africa.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not, I'd be saying they got monkey pox, they got aids, they got, they got all sorts of stuff on Africa. You're not gonna let me go into Africa? Are you kidding?

[Joe Getty]

Not sure that would help. It's a fair point, but not helpful.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anywho, glad I'm not on that ship is the long and short of that. Again, full team coverage of Dolly Parton's kidney stones next hour. First this though, this email that sparked something in my mind that I think will be interesting.

[Joe Getty]

It's actually a quote from Plato, the philosopher. Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools because they have to say something.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I got on this. I don't, I don't remember what sparked this in my mind. Maybe it was that quote there, I don't know. A year or two ago when I thought about in public situations whether I'm like at a dinner, that never happens, but pretend it did that I'm at a dinner with people. I haven't done that in like eight years, but pretend it could happen. Or maybe at work or wherever. How often when you talk, is it self aggrandizing in Some manner. It's either because in my case I think I'm going to be funny or you think you're going to sound smart or you got something that's better than what that other person is. How often, if you eliminate all the times that you're doing that, how often do you ever talk if it's not self serving? If I eliminate all the times that I say something that's self serving to make me look better in whatever way, smarter, funnier, cooler, more interesting, better traveled than you, or whatever the story is. If you eliminate all the times that it's. That it's going to be something that makes you look better. How often do you ever talk?

[Joe Getty]

That is an unanswerable question because I can never know your motivations.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I'm thinking about you. You, you're you, not me.

[Joe Getty]

Well, well, right, but. So here's the problem. If somebody says, and because I get in these conversations all the time, if we're talking about one of the issues of the day and you can shed light on it and it will further the discussion, it will also make you look good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that gets a pass.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd say if it's only going to make you look better.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. I spent time with those people, certainly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if you eliminate those, it cuts back the number of times you talk a lot. For me, twice a week, if it's necessary. But probably the amount is probably worth taking a look at. Yes, Michael, Twice a week I hardly speak at all. Right, right. I just, I don't know. I don't know if it's. I don't know if it's a necessary. I don't remember what sparked it. It was something I read about that should be a. It was somebody suggesting that should be a goal when you're in conversations is to not just say things that make you look better. And I thought, man, if you eliminate that, there's might be a lot of people sitting around the table with just the clinking of forks on plates, which

[Joe Getty]

would be all right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which would be fine, by the way. Yes. Maybe that's the point.

[Joe Getty]

If everybody is good with that. Lord knows I am.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't. I don't feel as strongly as you do about this because I don't know

[Jack Armstrong]

if I do feel strongly about it. I just thought it was an interesting thought experiment.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I just as, especially as an introvert, I hear people just delighted to be trading stories about either their day or their vacation or their neighbor or whatever else. And I will listen to it and I will think that wasn't funny. It wasn't insightful. It wasn't particularly enlightening. That experience sounded fairly mundane to me. But you two are really happy that you're exchanging that conversation because it establishes some sort of connection between you that I don't get a buzz from the way you people do. And they're nice people, so I don't know about any of this stuff. I don't know what to think. Most people see it and feel it very differently than I do, so I don't know what to say.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder if it was off that Plato code. I wish I could remember what it was I read, but I thought it was. Are interesting just to ponder. If your goal was to eliminate speaking when all you're trying to do is make yourself look better, how often you would you talk? I don't know.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, on the other hand, if I'm at dinner with, I don't know, pick a really smart or really funny person or. Or both. I want them to talk a lot and it makes you look good. That's fine with me. You're funny and interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're more. You're funnier than me and more interesting to me. You talk.

[Joe Getty]

But then is their motivation, yes, I'm going to talk because then Jack will think I'm funnier and more interesting. Are they just trying to further the conversation? I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. You've asked the unanswerable question and I wish you'd cut it out.

[Jack Armstrong]

I am amazed by people who want to hear or tell stories about something completely mundane. Like your story is a trip to the grocery store and you're just telling me what happened and nothing out of the ordinary happened. You're just recounting a trip to the grocery store, for instance.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I was just thinking if I was really a jerk and, or all powerful, I would like to, at various dinner gatherings, like when there's like six people around the table, once I get a feel for everybody, say, okay, you're allowed to talk about 30% of the time. You about 15 you, nobody needs to hear from you at all. So you just sit and listen. You can talk, you know, because that'd be perfect.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I got a new fantasy. It used to be about a French maid. That's my new fantasy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nope, nope.

[Joe Getty]

I told you, you don't get to talk.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're boring. No, you've never had anything interesting to say ever. So you just sit there and listen. Enjoy the food.

[Joe Getty]

So years and years ago, we knew Rob. What was Rob's name? He wrote and did Defending the Caveman, which was one man show that went worldwide and was enormously successful. And it was really interesting. It was about anthropology and specifically the differences between men and women, which I found really intriguing. I did a bunch more reading about it. But one of the things that I took away from that is that women, because the way women relate to each other especially are coalition builders. And any signal that says, we're friends, we're teammates, we're allies, we're part of a coalition. Feels really good. It satisfies a really, really primitive need. And so people trading those mund stories in a happy, cheerful way gives people that feeling, people who aren't, you know, introverts. And so I just figured, okay, Rob, but I can't. I cannot tell you a mundane story about the time I drove to New Jersey. I can't and I won't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Rob Becker was his name, right? We got more on the way. Stay here. Armstrong and Gettys.

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[News Anchor or Reporter]

year's gala is also facing controversy, particularly around honorary co chairs Amazon founder Jeff Bezos and his wife, Lauren Sanchez Bezos. Critics cite Amazon's labor practices and are calling for a boycott.

[Political Ad Voice (Katie Porter)]

Shame on you, Jeff Bez.

[News Anchor or Reporter]

Last night, a video featuring Amazon workers angry over the way they're treated was projected on the facade of Bezos's Fifth Avenue apartment. A handful of celebrities have decided to sit out this year's gala, and New York City Mayor Zoran Mandami is skipping the event, saying he's focused on affordability in one of the country's most expensive cities.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good political move by him, I think. You can't go to that thing as a communist and be among that crowd and talk about, you know, the downtrodden.

[Joe Getty]

So 100,000 bucks a seat, sponsoring tables, 350 revenues. A little tight these days in media, so Jack and I only sponsored three tables at 350k each.

[Jack Armstrong]

By the way, Jeff Bezos's wife, which you told it, you brought us that story yesterday about how that, that's how you show people that you're wealthy. Now, it's not a hand mar a lago face, not a handbag or a car, but the fact that you've carved up your face. They had her up on the TV a little bit ago. She's getting into Michael Jackson territory. She's looking weird, of course. She's married to what, the second richest man on the planet?

[Joe Getty]

So it's what he was looking for.

[Jack Armstrong]

Apparently there were a whole bunch of ridiculous costumes. And I don't mind the, the whole fashion is art as a theme, and I like art. And so you're trying to be something creative. That's that, that's fine. But the political statement, Sarah Paulson, she's an actress. I don't know what you might know her from, but she's been in a bunch of different stuff. She wore dollar bills over Our eyes to call out the 1%. My God, so powerful. The actress, who is worth tens of millions of dollars, used her outfit to call out the world's elite While attending the $100,000 per person met Gala. Feel free to give away all your money. You want to tack the. The rich need to be taxed more. You're the rich. Go ahead and give all of it to the government if you would like. Nobody's stopping you. There's a little. There's a little line on your taxes where if you want to give more, you can.

[Joe Getty]

That would not help enough. We need to redo the system.

[Jack Armstrong]

You were dollar bills over your eyes to call out the 1%. And then you go to bed thinking,

[Joe Getty]

oh, what a blow I've struck for

[Jack Armstrong]

the hungry or something.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, I got an idea. How about you cram a bag of nickels in your mouth and shut up?

[Jack Armstrong]

I didn't know if you're gonna say in your mouth. That's what I was picturing. Why don't you suitcase a bag of nickels?

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

What?

[Joe Getty]

No, no. Mine was better.

[Jack Armstrong]

You couldn't walk normal. But that's not my point.

[Joe Getty]

I want her to be silent. Good Lord, man. I liked them both. Thank you, Michael.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I was listening to. Actually, I was listening to Mark Halperin's news. He's my favorite news show in the afternoon. He does the news of the day and has guests on. Anyway, he is saying, I don't know why people hate on the Met Gala so much. He said. I went one time, he said, I don't know. It's a for charity and people wear colorful costumes. We don't know why people hate on it. I mean, even just from an anthropological. It's the prettiest people, the richest people, the most powerful people having a spectacle to let us know that you can't come to this. I mean, just human nature would be to hate on that thing, flaunting it

[Joe Getty]

and celebrating how wonderful they are. It may be the absolute pinnacle of self hatred is required to be a progressive. You show how incredibly wealthy you are, then spout how you create hate. The incredibly wealthy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

prizes of different kinds have always been a little suspect. It's just the part of the nature. And the Pulitzer Prizes have been, you know, annoying for a very long time. But. But there was a time back in the day what they were. They're at least somewhat accurate as to, like, good journalism or literature or whatever that came out every year. They are now. Just ridiculous. I read the list of winners yesterday and you could tell by the title of all the books and the articles and everything like that. Okay, is all trans this, downtrodden that, Palestinian this. I mean, it was just every single thing. Anyway, we ought to get our friend Tim Sandifer on who's got a brand new book out called Proclaiming Liberty.

[Joe Getty]

Lovett was reading it last night.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who wrote a devastating piece last year about the book that won the Pulitzer Prize for history. As of yesterday, it's about the Constitution or Declaration or something. But anyway, Tim took it apart last year. A bunch of commentators are today on how it's just crap. The appealitzer board gave it the best nonfiction book of the year. History book of the year. Wow. Anyhow, we might have to have Tim on to tear that. He can tear that apart while boosting his own book. I think that would be a good one. So a couple of California political races that I think are going to be interesting to you no matter where you live, just because of. I find the game of running for office and politics and all that sort of stuff kind of interesting. In California, you got the current sitting mayor who has come under all kinds of fire for all kinds of different things, as we all know. Karen Bass.

[Joe Getty]

Karen Bass, yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

And this guy, Spencer Pratt, he's a registered Republican, but he's. He's made so much, so much inroads over the fact that he's a guy whose house burnt down and the city hasn't built it yet. And he's still living in an Airstream trailer. So he goes over to Karen Bass's house and films an ad in front of a. This is where she lives, this $3 million house. This is where I live. This is what the ad sounds like.

[Spencer Pratt (Political Candidate)]

Like this is where Mayor Vass lives. You notice something? Or here where Nikki Ramen's three million dollar mansion sits. They don't have to live in the mess they've created. Where you live. This is where I live. They let my home burn down. I know what the consequences of failed leadership are. That's why I'm running for mayor for my sons and the rest of us Angelinos that want to stop these corrupt politicians from doing destroying our city. We are going to get the golden age of Los Angeles back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Being hailed by political experts is a really good ad. I mean that. I mean, that's. That's good stuff. Looking at a $3 million house. This is where I live. Fire was a long time ago. Still haven't done anything yet. I'm still a brief flash of bums

[Joe Getty]

and junkies too, because that's the scourge of a lot of other people's neighbors. Anyway, it is a good ad, but

[Jack Armstrong]

he came under attack from the mayor filming and the other Democrat who's running Ramen. Filming outside my home where I live with my young children feels unnecessary and reckless to me that it was awful that he was outside their homes, showing people what their homes look like, etc. Etc. Pratt, Spencer. Pratt's reply was, they're just validating the entire premise of our commercial. She doesn't care if there are homeless drug addicts in front of your home, in front of your kids school, but God help her if a man in a suit takes a picture on the public street for two minutes. That's pretty good. Pratt shot the they're not like us ad outside both Ramen and Mayor Karen Bass's homes. And it's. It's one of those ads that. What do they call that? Unearned exposure.

[Joe Getty]

Media.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unearned media. Gazillions of views. Because it's. It's so clever and everything like that. And we'll see how that goes. But currently the polling. Bass retains the lead with 25% support. Pratt at 11, Ramen at 9. But those are both very low numbers, which means everybody's still very, very undecided. Wow. Imagine a Republican mayor in Los Angeles in the same way that the ailing Rudy Giuliani came to be in New York. Because people got. Got so fed up with things that they were willing to try something else. Louisiana might be there. It's possible.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You gotta overcome the special interests, though, because they turn out and vote like crazy and they win every election. It's a. It's a hell of a fight.

[Jack Armstrong]

Turning our attention toward the governor running the state of California. Gavin Newsom is leaving. And you got all these people running. And I've got the latest polling in front of me. There's a debate tonight on CNN that you won't watch and neither will I. There are any highlights, and there probably won't be. We'll have them for you tomorrow. But currently, Steve Hilton still at top tight, actually, with Javier Becerra the Democrat, at 18%. That's probably going to be the race. You think, voting here in a month.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Chad Bianco's making a lot of sense, too. I mean, you say there won't be any highlights. I don't have. It depends on the context. The context is an utterly corrupt state with fixed politics. So what is a highlight? I don't. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

But currently Steve Hilton and Javier Becerra, if you had the election today in the jungle primary with the top two people ending up running against each other, you'd have a Republican against a Democrat, and then Steve Hilton would be up against it. Any who Katie Porter, who we've enjoyed. Married for a couple of months now because she's the famous one of you. Get out of my shot. Get out of my shot. That's how we. That's how I first came to even know who she was.

[Joe Getty]

Face like a clenched fist. Yeah, just angry, bitter, violent woman.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, she's trying to distance herself from that angry, bitter, violent woman thing. And she had an ad that came out yesterday that I thought as a. I mean, if you're just going to look at it as political science, I thought it was really good.

[Political Ad Voice (Katie Porter)]

I'm Katie Porter, and I'm not like most people who run for governor. I actually get what you're going through. A single mom of three kids, I know what it's like to push the shopping cart. My Minivan has almost 200,000 miles. I have a grown kid who may soon be living on my couch to give Californians what they need. It's gonna take standing up to Donald Trump, calling out greedy corporations and stepping on some toes along the way. Now, could you guys please get out of my shot?

[Jack Armstrong]

And she does the get out of my shot. That's called hanging a lantern on it. If you have a deficit, you try to, like, highlight it yourself so it takes the sting out of it. But I thought the here's my grown kid laying on the couch in her living room or standing next to her minivan with 200,000 miles, getting gas, looking like a regular mom. I thought that was really good ad and she didn't come off as angry or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Here's my ex husband fleeing from me lest I attack him with boiling potatoes again.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here I am assaulting my ex husband.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I would agree with you, that is a very, very skillful ad created by professionals to make an absolutely, hilariously idiotic point. But it is skillful. I mean, the idea that California's problems are Donald Trump in greedy Corporations. Well, she's a lac of the public employee unions and will do anything they say up to and including murder, self immolation, setting fire to a warehouse full of puppies. If the unions tell her to dance, she dances.

[Jack Armstrong]

So another thing we're going to vote on here soon in California, which will matter to every state because if it passes in California, other states are going to say we got to try that is the whole billionaire tax. The horrifying, horrifying to my mind and to all economists, billionaire tax, wealth tax,

[Joe Getty]

in short, various states are trying it in various forms. All the same thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gavin Newsom was asked about it on Bill Maher the other night. This is what he said. People who don't live here and follow it, they would think, oh, Gavin Newsom, far lefty, he's going to be for the billionaire tax. But you're not.

[Gavin Newsom]

Well, I think billionaires do need to be taxed more, but just not at the state level. Capital moves. And the challenge with this particular tax is it doesn't include firefighters and teachers. They're left out of the tax. It's one time and we've already seen dozens and dozens of people leave the state. But my state of mind is crystal clear. At a federal level, the imbalance between the rich and the poor has got to be addressed.

[Jack Armstrong]

He didn't explain why he's against it at all.

[Joe Getty]

I think capital moves, that was a brief nod toward the reality.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that is the obvious problem with the whole billionaires taxes. The billionaires are just going to say, okay, I'll live somewhere else then where they don't do this. And then you don't get any of their tax money, which as we've all seen the charts, is most of the tax money we all get is from the rich. Gray Davis, former Democrat who got hounded out of office. Even he is against the billionaire tax.

[Caller or Guest]

If I was governor, I would try to find some combination of a tax increase and cost reduction. But a wealth tax is a self inflicted wound. First of all, it takes away money from education. 90% of the wealth tax cannot go to education. Right now, 42% of all money is supposed to go to education. And secondly, the billionaires are leaving. The millionaires are leaving. We need their tax to support our revenue. Newsom's budget says 45% of the taxes in California are paid by the top 1% taxpayers. So I am against the wealth tax not to help the billionaires, but to help the rest of us. They'll have to fill the hole the billionaires leave behind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[News Reporter]

Let's repeat what you just said. 45% of all tax revenue for the entire state of California.

[Caller or Guest]

Top 1%.

[Jack Armstrong]

Top 1%. This is true for the whole country.

[Joe Getty]

Far right CNN, by the way, this

[Jack Armstrong]

is true for the whole country. That 1% that they were hating on at the Met gala last night with dollar bills over their eyes, they're already paying most of the tax everywhere you go in the country.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

As I always say, pay their fair share. What's the fair share if a tiny percentage of people are paying most tax? Because when you get it to like top the top 5% or something like it's like 70% of all taxes.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And then you've got the hilarious adolescent socialist mayor of Seattle saying as we played yesterday, and you millionaires want to leave.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bye. Well, the last polling I saw, the wealth tax billionaire tax in California is going to win overwhelmingly. So maybe the message will filter down from CNN and Gray Davis and Gavin Newsom and Bill Maher to people who think, much as I hate those billionaires, I guess it doesn't make sense. Or is it actually going to pass even with the Democrats, the leading Democrats saying this is nonsensical.

[Joe Getty]

Here's, here's my question. I've said many times, and I believe this to my soul, that if inflation is high, nothing else matters. Politically speaking, virtually nothing. Similar question. It's gotta be phrased differently. But is there any common sense or is there any logical argument that can trump envy in politics? I think the answer's probably no at this point in our history. Cuz it's so easy to demagogue people. A quick TikTok video about the wealthy and how you're getting screwed and the rest of it. Please excuse me. I would like to point out why that is logically flawed. Right. Good luck to me,

[Guest or Caller]

man.

[Jack Armstrong]

When even Gray Davis and Gavin Newsom are out doing interviews saying that's a bad idea and it still passes, I think that means something. We'll see here in a few weeks.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, yeah. I'm miserably cynical about California politics, as you know. Do you want to hear something encouraging? Good, uplifting.

[Jack Armstrong]

You have something encouraging. I know somebody gave it to you.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody's more surprised than me. This is a teenager asking Victor Glover, who is a black man, he was one of the Artemis 2 astronauts, asking him the inevitable woke question. Michael, you see that?

[Teenager Asking Victor Glover]

How did it feel to be the

[Jack Armstrong]

first person of color to fly to

[Joe Getty]

or around the moon?

[Guest or Caller]

You know, good question. Amaya, thank you for the question and I will tell you one of the things about swinging for the fence and trying to, you know, hit a home run when the game is on the line is if you think about that, that can add pressure and make you not go up there and play your best game. And so I focused a lot on working with this team and trying to be a good teammate, trying to be a good teammate to them and also receive from them their good teamwork. And I think one of the reasons we were as successful as we did is we spent a lot of time thinking about us and not us, me individually. And so I, I would ask, answer this by maybe just making a visual lesson here that I spent a lot of time thinking about this patch and this patch and not this patch. And now we get to be here and we get to talk about it, though.

[Caller or Guest]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Now, we couldn't see the patches he was talking about, but plainly it was his credentials, his skills as opposed to his color. Good for you, Victor Glover.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well said for him. And those questions are freaking stupid and people should stop asking them.

[Joe Getty]

That's a young youngster that you're screaming at. A teenager, crazy old man yelling at clouds. And they've been brought up that that's the only thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure, if you watch the evening news

[Joe Getty]

in every single encounter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Evening news, that's what they focus on. K through grad school makes me crazy.

[Joe Getty]

I know I said it'd be uplifting. I lied.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd make you angry again.

[Joe Getty]

I got him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Oh, geez. More on the way. Armstrong and Getty.

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Barbaric. Wow. So the most annoying thing about being a human is adaptive thermogenesis.

[Joe Getty]

I know, I hate it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Adaptive thermogenesis is the fancy term for what we all learned in the last couple of years, why it's so hard, damn near impossible to keep weight off in that. After, you know, hundreds of thousands of years, with the number one threat to humanity being starvation, our bodies adapted to, if we start to lose weight, it goes into calorie hoarding mode to make sure you don't lose weight so you don't die. Well, that all changed in the middle 20th century when we had more food than we needed. And then you try to lose weight and your body thinks, oh no, we're starving and it hoards your calories. No, no, no, I want to lose weight. I, Sorry, I can't hear you. We're busy. Trying to keep our fat on is basically what adaptive thermogenesis is. And we've talked about this a lot over the years. I don't think enough people know this. It's very, it's a very depressing reality. But it's even further than that. So I, I, I walk pretty regularly and not that far. Walk fast, whatever. And it's, it's always depressing how many calories it adds up to. If you ever like look at your gym equipment or whatever, it's like you go out and walk for a half hour fast and it's like 150 calories, you know, which is two bites of a donut or whatever. Anyway, even with that minor calorie loss of like a 30 minute walk, your body goes into adjustment mode. Okay, we got a little extra exercise, so your body is going to fidget less, change your posture to like save energy. All casual movements that you might make normally you stop making so that bounce in your knee will stop to try to gain back that 150 calories that you burn off, even to the point of your immune system works worse.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, shut up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Our immune system. We gotta shut down the immune system a little bit. Catching a cold is better than losing this 150 calories.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God. This is radio. You can't see that my head is in my hands.

[Jack Armstrong]

Isn't that unbelievable? We actually fidget less when we get little bits of exercise like that. So you park far away at the mall and walk in to get a little exercise. Your body is going to say, okay, well, sitting in the car, I'm not going to let your knee bounce or whatever fidgeting you do because we got to get those calories back.

[Joe Getty]

No drumming. No drumming on your thigh. Oh, my Lord, you're easing. I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'll even choose a posture where it's easier to, like, hold it without having to use energy to sit up so you can save calories.

[Joe Getty]

It would be amazing in a good way, an awe inspiring way, if it wasn't snam frustrating.

[Jack Armstrong]

We were starving.

[Joe Getty]

Can you go into my jeans, please, and dig around in there and then flip a gene or two? I know you can do that. What is that called?

[Jack Armstrong]

Crispr. Crispr. Get your crisper going. Yeah, we all need the CRISPR technology to reverse that thermogenesis thingy that I just mentioned because that sucks. God, nature, whoever came up with that?

[Joe Getty]

Damn it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Isn't that amazing? The human body hanging on to the calories.

[Joe Getty]

Big hour four coming up. If you can't get our four, grab it via podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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