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Jack Armstrong
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio.
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At the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty.
Joe Getty
And now here's Armstrong and get it.
Guest or Caller
Clearly there was, there was a lot of gaming going on, friends that have confirmed that there was kind of that deep, dark Internet, the Reddit culture and these, these other dark places of the Internet where, where, where this person was, was going deep. And you, you, you saw that on the, on the casings, I think. I, I mean, I didn't have any idea what the, what those inscriptions, many of those inscript, but they are, you know, certainly the memeification that is happening in our society today.
Jack Armstrong
Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, who has become a bit of a rock star, I feel like, although I was just told that our old friend David Drucker writing that his message about unification is not going to get anywhere. That's no way to rise in the political ranks, which might be true, but.
Joe Getty
Considering you have to get the votes of the hardest core activists in your party, I wonder if. Well, that rings true. And we're doomed.
Jack Armstrong
I actually heard somebody else explaining how Utah's politics are designed differently than almost all other states. I think it was Drucker actually explaining it. They still have a structure where being centrist helps you get elected, whereas most structure we have in the country right now is the only way you're going to lose is if it's somebody more extreme than you.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
So you're prioritized being extreme.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I've been reading more about Spencer Cox and he's advocated some policies that I think are not good. But I think he's right about this. Although the David Drucker quote kind of sucked the fun out of it. Well, I don't know. I guess, well, if we're doomed, we're doomed. Maybe we can slow the progress, I don't know. But here he was on Meet the Press talking about speaking of the suspect going into the dark parts of the Internet and the memeification of Society.
Guest or Caller
I can't emphasize enough the damage that social media and the Internet is doing to all of us. Those dopamine hits, these companies, trillion dollar market caps. The most powerful companies in the history of the world have figured out how to hack our brains, get us addicted to outrage and get us to hate each other. I'm seeing it in real time since the tragic death of Charlie Kirk. I'm seeing it in every corner of our society. The conflict entrepreneurs are taking advantage of us and we are losing our agency. And we have to take that back.
Jack Armstrong
I like that term, conflict entrepreneurs.
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah. The greatest minds in our society, certainly the most successful ones, are selling us conflict, hate and addiction. That is undeniable. When you're talking about social media. They have algorithms so sophisticated the human mind cannot comprehend them, designed to get us angry and addicted.
Jack Armstrong
And what are you going to do, outlaw that? Obviously you can on an individual basis.
Joe Getty
You can recognize what's being done to you. We were talking about scammers coming door to door earlier. Maybe the best you can do is protect you and the ones you love while society crumbles around you. The Governor continues.
Guest or Caller
I believe that social media has played a direct role in every single assassination and assassination attempt that we have seen over the last five, six years. There is no question in my mind that cancer probably isn't a strong enough word, what we have done, especially to our kids. It took us a decade to realize how evil these algorithms are. And we're doing everything in Utah, first state in the nation a couple years ago, to pass comprehensive reform. Sadly, these most powerful companies on earth are suing us to prevent us from implementing these things.
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Joe Getty
How about that?
Jack Armstrong
Well, he was saying the same things on another channel. He went on a couple of different shows. He actually mentioned that he has no interest in becoming a national figure. The only reason he went on these shows is because the Trump White House had encouraged him to go on and he just felt like he was serving his party. But the stuff about social media, I was actually listening to that live while I was at the gym. And I was. I sat there on the bench in between sets and thought, we're doomed. There's no way out of this. There's just no fixing this.
Joe Getty
Right.
Jack Armstrong
I can't even imagine that. I can't even imagine how, like, a younger generation could evolve to where it would still be okay. I mean, where they would understand this. I just. I don't see any fix.
Joe Getty
The only fix. And I'm not Advocating this. I'm just trying to noodle it through. By the way, if you have any comments on this stuff, we would love to hear your wisdom because we're desperately in need of it. Not just Jack and me, but society. Mailbag@armstrongandgetti.com is the email address mailbagarmstrongandgetti.com or if texting is more your thing, 415295 KFTC one more time. 415295 KFTC. The only cure for this I see is a semi totalitarian government that doesn't give a wit about free speech or is willing to do whatever damage is necessary to completely rein this in.
Jack Armstrong
And do you think that would be social media? That'd be ultimately be a plus or a negative net?
Joe Getty
It's almost impossible to picture a government given sufficient power to do that and not being oppressive in other ways.
Jack Armstrong
Right.
Joe Getty
In other words, the only way to cure your athlete's foot gym is suicide. Not to minimize the infection here, but I didn't want to pick a true dread disease. Yeah, I do. I honestly, I can't picture the road out except on an individual basis. And I know.
Jack Armstrong
Good luck with that.
Joe Getty
What do you mean?
Jack Armstrong
Well, you individually, yes you can, but for society.
Joe Getty
No, no, no. But that's my point exactly. Society is doomed. So look after yourself and the people you care about.
Jack Armstrong
Well, that's the best you can do. So. And then with mortality, you'll be dead before you know we're all killing each other in the streets.
Joe Getty
I certainly hope so.
Jack Armstrong
That's tr.
Joe Getty
Well, no, it's a recognition reality and you always seem to pooh pooh it when I say look, just look after you and yours. Be healthy, be happy.
Jack Armstrong
I guess because I'm looking for a solution for society.
Joe Getty
Oh, quit wasting your time.
Jack Armstrong
I know that I can check out of it at any moment that I'm aware of.
Joe Getty
Yeah, I suggest strongly everybody does. You will be less miserable.
Jack Armstrong
But that is not what people do. Based on my observation of people that I know well enough to know what they do, they find so much comfort in going online and hearing the other side demonized. It's like relaxing.
Joe Getty
Yes. For people it's endorphony.
Jack Armstrong
That's them taking care of themselves. Oh, you know what I want? I remember our old producer Sean. He had a. Sean was a Trump hater and he had a friend who was a Trump hater and he said she told him one time, she said all I want to do after a long day is just come home, turn on the TV and hear people talk about how awful Trump is.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
What was relaxing? They were talking about like watching Stephen Colbert.
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack Armstrong
So. And, and other people do it with like my parents, with watching Gutfeld or whatever. So it's just. That is what's relaxing. That is taking care of yourself. That's your. What are they. What is the hot phrase?
Joe Getty
Self care.
Jack Armstrong
Yes, exactly. That is your self care. I'm going to watch the other side be demonized and ah, the end of a long, hard day of work. It's just fun to hear all the other side is evil. So, you know, it is easier. It's an easier emotion than wrestling with the difficulties of my side is not always right either.
Joe Getty
Yeah, I just. Yeah. This is tough because we're kind of describing a range of activities from the legitimate, trying to move the policy slash culture, part of our, our government and our people to a more sane place. I mean, that's perfectly legitimate. Uh, if you've got your state taxpayer, university taxpayers supporting universities who make you write out a statement that essentially says, I'm of one political view in order to get hired, that we can fight against, that we can move that sort of policy and practice, we can change by fighting for it. But like saving the soul of the Western world by getting it off social media. No, I just, I don't know that that's a winnable fight. I can't picture how it can be won, but. So I don't want to smear the distinction between advocating for kids not getting indoctrinated into radical gender theory in their third grade class and just bathing myself in libs of TikTok on Twitter. Those are two different things.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Yes, definitely. I think I'm where Mark Halpern was over the weekend where he wrote. He was, he was, he was committed to the idea that there weren't as many people out there cheering Charlie Kirk's death as was being portrayed. And then he spent a lot of time on media and decided, there are a lot of people doing that.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
And he ended with, I am very, very disturbed. I am very, very worried about where this country is going.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
And the thing that happened over the last however many hours, it is now four days or whatever has. We have definitely gone X percent further down the road of I'm going to fight fire with fire. They fight. And on both sides saying this, right, they fight dirty. We need to fight dirtier.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Like a big chunk. It's like we had been moving the ball down the field couple inches at a time. They Took a good five yard leap in the last four days.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
In the wrong direction.
Joe Getty
So are you a church going person? Drop us the line Was anything said from the pulpit about Charlie Kirk's assassination this weekend? Mailbagmstrongandgetty.com I'd like to know because I came across one story of a preacher getting very political in a very objectionable way. Word from our friends at Prize Picks. Love the football. Love it, love it, love it.
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Not that any of you watched the Emmys and probably for good reason after what we're gonna play for you, but the Emmys made no effort whatsoever to bring the country together last night. We can play a little clip of that for you. Coming up.
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Jack Armstrong
The Travel Channel for travel, the Food.
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Jack Armstrong
No aliens. There won't be history on the History Channel, sir.
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Jack Armstrong
Just as there will be no learning.
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On the Learning Channel.
Jack Armstrong
That was Nate Borgozzi opening the Emmys, which I thought that skit was pretty funny. But then they immediately, immediately, like I meant to say this Friday, and I kicked myself for not remembering to say, easiest prediction in the world. I said, gee, I wonder if Stephen Colbert show is going to win the Emmy for Best Comedy Variety show at the Emmys. So he can go up there and give a speech and get cheered, you know, for being the great fighter against Trump and losing his job for it and everything like that. They went beyond that. Not only did he win the award later and get to give the speech, they had him as the first presenter. First thing they announced to America, hey, in case anybody who leans right did give award shows one more try, we decided to make it clear to you that you're wasting your time watching this because we're only interested in talking to ourselves. Right?
Joe Getty
Here's a. Hold still. Here's a nice thumb in your eye.
Jack Armstrong
First guess is Colbert gets a go ahead and hit it. Michael gets a long standing ovation.
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Jack Armstrong
And immediately, front row, they jump to their feet. Everybody's standing in the whole place.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
So that's big, Michael. That makes a point. But the applause was much longer than that. We edited it on because we don't want to just talk over applause for the next one minute. But it was. It was. I don't know what you'd compare it to. The people on their feet and cheering and with that look on their face of, here he is the man who stood up for Trump and paid the price for it. It's just really, that's who we are. And then they did no moment of silence for Charlie Kirk, even though most NFL teams did all around the country yesterday on the Emmys in the evening, they did not. I'll bet part of it was because they knew there'd be booing in the crowd and they, they thought better to not have a moment of silence than to announce it and then have booze.
Joe Getty
Yeah. And as an email would put it, if you are on lefty, social media, blue sky, etc. 99.9% of people are completely convinced that everybody knows Charlie Kirk was a divisive hater. I mean, he was an evil, evil guy who kind of deserved it, and that the guy who killed him was probably a MAGA Trump guy who just didn't think Charlie Kirk was pure enough in that. So it's hard to picture what they believed and what their reasoning is because they have a completely different set of quote unquote facts.
Jack Armstrong
So I'm probably fighting a fight that was lost a very long time ago. I mean, what's the point? So. So award shows have gone the direction of, you know, the Washington Post or msnbc. They're, they're aiming at one crowd. Fine. That's never going to go back. Doesn't need to. No law against it. Just, you know, another notch toward us becoming divided and having our own little group of shows and sites and people we follow and people we listen to and we don't even hear the other side anymore. And we can't even imagine that they're normal human beings.
Joe Getty
Right.
Jack Armstrong
Very frustrating. So Javier, what's his name?
Joe Getty
Javier Bardim.
Jack Armstrong
He was the evil guy in no country for Old Men.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Among other stirring roles, he was on.
Jack Armstrong
The red carpet wearing a keffiyeh around his neck.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Got to ask a question. Before the awards show. If you find out a company that.
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You'Re going to go into business with is in business with Israel, what do you do?
Joe Getty
I won't work. I won't work.
Jack Armstrong
I cannot work with somebody that justifies or supports the genocide. I can't. That's as simple as that. And we shouldn't be able to do that in this industry and in any other industry. Today in Madrid, in Spain, the cycle La Vuelta, the bicycle tour, it was stopped by, by thousands and thousands and thousands of people on the streets marching, saying, we can't allow the team of Israel being in this. Okay, that's enough. So you get the point. And so was there any actors going along who said, I just, I'm wearing this pin to show that I believe there are only two genders and boys shouldn't be in girl sports. No, you don't have any of that, of course.
Joe Getty
Right, right.
Jack Armstrong
That's fine. That ship is sailed.
Joe Getty
The Free Beacon did some good reporting on the International association of Genocide Scholars that pronounce that Israel's committing genocide. It's a very loose group that has no authority whatsoever. They were quoted everywhere.
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Jack Armstrong
Is to crack down on drug trafficking.
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And now Venezuela is conducting large scale militia training civilians volunteering to serve as reservists. President Nicolas Maduro urges all Venezuelans to.
Jack Armstrong
Prepare for an armed struggle if needed. Wow. So we may be putting Marines on the beach of Venezuela as the president there is trying to convince regular people they need to be there to fight the US Marines.
Joe Getty
What does it mean to volunteer to be in a militia in a totalitarian regime.
Jack Armstrong
Means you've been drafting.
Joe Getty
This may be the best thing that's ever happened to Maduro because now he has legitimacy. He can say, I'm your brave defender against the Great Satan or whatever they call us, El Norte.
Jack Armstrong
Here's a good tease for a story I'm going to do in a little bit. Yes, you need to surprise your bones. Latest study from doctors. You need to surprise your bones.
Joe Getty
Oh, my bones have gotten lax.
Jack Armstrong
They have.
Joe Getty
Wow.
Jack Armstrong
I'm gonna adopt this idea asap, so stay tuned. A number of different stories for you. Elon Musk purchased a billion dollars worth of Tesla shares. Shares rose 8% like pre market. I don't know whether it is now over the idea that. Hey, he's all in on his commitment to Tesla. Ev, there are stories. Well, you had the story last week. You lied to us last week. The idea that Elon no longer. Tesla no longer has any interest in electric vehicles, that's.
Joe Getty
That's not a lie. Why is it a lie?
Jack Armstrong
I guess it could still be true. Tesla he's just not interested in making cars. Right, that's your theory.
Joe Getty
Tesla is now a robot and autonomous car company.
Jack Armstrong
Regardless, he put another billion dollars in and made shares go up. So maybe that helps with your stocks. I just wanted to throw this out. I just saw the headline that Alphabet, which is Google just passed $3 trillion. Wasn't it like, I feel like it was like a year ago when we had our first trillion dollar company and that was seen as a really big deal we now have. And keep this in mind when you think about the stock market breaking records every single day. Nvidia is worth $4.3 trillion now and that's the most valuable, valuable company in the world.
Joe Getty
How much?
Jack Armstrong
4.3 trillion.
Joe Getty
Holy cow.
Jack Armstrong
We just had our first trillion dollar company not that long ago. Microsoft is almost four trillion. Apple's three and a half trillion, Amazon's two and a half trillion, Google's three trillion. Meta is two trillion. Those are your top six. That's like all of our stock market growth.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Are those companies?
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
And then Tesla is at 10 with it's over a trillion dollars. But that's. That should be paid more attention to when people say the stock market. Really talking about half dozen tech stocks. And that's it.
Joe Getty
Right. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Anyway.
Joe Getty
Rising tide lifting all boats. Barely.
Jack Armstrong
The Treasury Secretary announced today a framework tick tock deal with China, but gave no details. President Trump is speaking with President Xi of China on Friday, but they say they've got a deal for TikTok. What that means, given the fact that Congress passed a law that TikTok's gonna leave the country. The Supreme Court upheld it. 9 Nothing. How the President can work around that and make a deal, I don't know. But that is going to happen.
Joe Getty
Well, they found an American buyer, presumably if, if it's true. Although occasionally Trump will engage in the presumptive close the hey, we've got a deal. Got a deal. Just gotta sign a couple of details. But. But the deal is done. Who knows? According to the Treasury Department, the fourth round of trade talks with China includes not only the TikTok thing, but national security, economic and trade issues of mutual interest and cooperation on money laundering networks that threaten both the US and China. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
For personal security, Trump has announced 58 billion extra, or million, rather, 58 million extra dollars to boost security for executives and judicial branches as we fear that there's going to be more political violence in the future and we need more security. Yeah.
Joe Getty
And there's already been a fair amount toward judges, for instance. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, Speaking of why, you need to surprise your bones. Coming up.
Joe Getty
So the president, speaking of Donald J. Doing deals, said over the weekend he will increase sanctions on Russia only if all NATO countries agree to impose high tariffs on China.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I read that post.
Joe Getty
China has a strong control, even grip over Russia, and these powerful tariffs will break that grip. If NATO does as I say, the war will end quickly. If not, you are just wasting my time and the time, energy and money of the United States.
Jack Armstrong
The part that bothered me is he truthed out. This is not Trump's war. It would have never started if I was president. It's Biden and Zelensky's war. It's Zelensky's war. He was attacked.
Joe Getty
Putin.
Jack Armstrong
It's Biden and Zelensky's war. I don't even know how you put it on Joe Biden. I'm not happy with the way Joe Biden handled it afterwards, but I don't think he could have stopped it.
Joe Getty
And, well, he was weak and passive, blah, blah, blah. No, but still, come on.
Jack Armstrong
I don't know how you put it on Zelensky. It's Zelensky's war, not Putin.
Joe Getty
What the hell? I don't. I just don't get him. I really don't. Oh, that was discouraging. Trump announced he plans to send National Guard to Memphis to combat crime.
Jack Armstrong
That looks like that's actually going to happen. No National Guard troops for Chicago, I guess, but we are going to have them in Memphis. And also there is a story out in the last hour about New Orleans, Louisiana. Send a National Guard troops also.
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah. And in more important news, and we should have gotten to this first, an Australian regulator has approved the world's first ever vaccine designed to save koalas from chlamydia.
Jack Armstrong
Thank God.
Joe Getty
So if you're thinking of getting it on with a koala, give it a little while for them to get the shots so they don't give you the circle.
Jack Armstrong
Okay, here's why you need to surprise your bones. And I'm really actually kind of interested in this. Okay. I was about to say we all exercise, but we don't all exercise. Some of us exercise. I think we all realize that exercising as you get older is a good idea to try to hang on to muscle health, bone health, all that sort of stuff, stave off diseases, all kinds of things. We need to jump more often. Oh, jumping is the big thing. You need to surprise your bones. None of the other exercises do what jumping does to, like, stress your bones and everything like that. To make them realize that we're still in the game. We still got to be what we. We once were.
Joe Getty
Wow.
Jack Armstrong
And there's just nothing else that does it quite the same as jumping. So they really recommend several times a week doing some jumping. Jumping down from a bench or something like that.
Joe Getty
Might as well jump. Go ahead and jump.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
Wow. I. I've got to admit, that's one thing I've practically not done at all since my various hip operations and all, is jump up and down.
Jack Armstrong
But how often?
Joe Getty
Feels too jarring.
Jack Armstrong
Well, yeah, you. You're in a different situation. But how often?
Joe Getty
No, it's fine.
Jack Armstrong
How often do most people jump? Not very often, probably. Thank you. Thank you for that sound effect.
Joe Getty
There you go. Now I can picture it.
Jack Armstrong
When's the last time you jumped, Michael?
Joe Getty
Probably when I was a kid.
Jack Armstrong
Really?
Joe Getty
Wow.
Jack Armstrong
I've jumped more recently than that.
Joe Getty
I ought to start jumping rope again. I did that for a while. Oh, man. Is that a good exercise when we go.
Jack Armstrong
Katie, how often do you jump?
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Okay. Is that part of your workout routine there at the gym? Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
It does. Well, the reason. The reason it hurts everything is because we. We don't jump enough. And that makes sense to me. That actually makes pretty good sense.
Joe Getty
Wow.
Jack Armstrong
That whole jarring everything is. That's a whole different exercise than a lot of the stuff we do. Like when I go play basketball with my son, we go over to the gym. They got the low goal that I can dunk on.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
And I like doing that. But, man, it's. It's. It's rough landing.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Consult your physician before you take Jack's exercise advice. Maybe ease into it.
Jack Armstrong
Well, the jumping is a good idea. I don't think that's wrong advice. Just whether or not you would begin. If you haven't done it for 30 years or 10 years or however long.
Joe Getty
Hey, just go up to the second story of your house. Open a window now. Yeah. But proceed carefully.
Jack Armstrong
Surprise your bones.
Joe Getty
Stupid bones. So I guess trampoline is the key, right?
Jack Armstrong
I wondered. I actually wondered that. It didn't mention that. Would that count? Because it kind of. It lessens the impact.
Joe Getty
So that might be a good way to ease into it.
Jack Armstrong
I got. I got a trampoline in my backyard. I haven't put it back together since we moved. I should put it back together and get out there and jump. Say to my bones, boo.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Cracking, too.
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Jack Armstrong
So maybe if we break on time we can talk about the blue sky Ization of the American left. This was written by a lefty over the weekend about blue sky. I. I've never been on Blue Sky. It's a liberal Twitter.
Joe Getty
Yeah, when Elon took over Twitter they all fled for safer pastures where they would never have their opinion challenged.
Jack Armstrong
And this gets into cancel culture and the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination and all that sort of stuff. I think it's really danged interesting.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Surprising my bones during the break I did a lot of jumping. Jumping, not off of things. Climbed up on the table, jumped down, surprised my bones. Here's a surprise. Your ankle's broken.
Joe Getty
Didn't see that coming, did you? Lazy ankles.
Jack Armstrong
Um, I thought this was really interesting. A piece written by a progressive aimed at other progressives about how they've lost their way with the blue skyization of the American left. Progressives discovered a seemingly invincible weapon and then one day it stopped working. He actually used the example of suicide bombers the Palestinians were using back in the day when they first started strapping bombs to themselves and going into Israel and blowing themselves up. For a while there, it looked like, there's no solution to this. The other side has figured out a way, and we can't stop this. This. Then Israel built enough, built enough walls, got enough security that it didn't work anymore. But the Palestinians had forgotten how to do anything else other than that. And he uses that example with progressives and cancel culture, which I thought was really interesting that they developed this habit of thinking that they could get anybody canceled unless they got on board. And it worked for a fair number of years. Progressive culture, substitution of nastiness for persuasion and argument has robbed America of the incisive commentary of which intelligent progressives would otherwise be capable of. Progressives got addicted to the power of cancel culture. They're seemingly invincible H bomb. And when it stopped working, they just didn't know what else to do because they'd forgotten everything they used to do in the time before Twitter. And he went through the examples of how for a while their cancel culture was so powerful that you could go after any company and they would fire people, change their direction, all kinds of.
Joe Getty
Different things, no matter how ludicrous your.
Jack Armstrong
Demands, no matter how crazy it was or how minor your offense.
Joe Getty
Right?
Jack Armstrong
And he makes the point specifically that we said for years, there's not a giant boycott coming. Corporations. You don't need to fire this person or take down the ad.
Joe Getty
Right?
Jack Armstrong
Or donate money to this cause. The, the. The. The giant boycott isn't coming. And that's what this progressive who wrote this was saying. Corporations figured out that there was really no power behind those threats.
Joe Getty
It was a midget with a giant pa.
Jack Armstrong
The few, the few companies that stood up to it realized, okay, so there weren't millions of people. There weren't hundreds of thousands. There weren't even thousands of people that were willing to boycott our restaurant or our shoe or whatever over this issue. It just went away if we ignored it. And companies figured that out. And so it just ended the whole. That level of cancel culture as a threat. And progressives had forgotten how to do anything else or given up on the idea that they needed to.
Joe Getty
Well, that sure is backed up by the absolutely miserable status of the Democratic Party and their inability to. To focus on a solution for it or a message or any sort of consensus on why it happened. Because you still have that crowd that doesn't understand what went wrong. You stop persuading people. You just bullied them.
Jack Armstrong
I've never been on Blue Sky. This guy actually argues on how a lot of the progressives that are on Blue sky should come back to Twitter and argue with people on the other side and try to make their point and that how on Blue sky they spent because it's all progressives. I've never been on there for a second. I don't have the app. I've never even looked into it. But it's entirely progressives on there. The only people there are to attack because the only muscle they have is attack is other progressives who aren't progressive enough. So they're constantly attacking their own for not being further enough, far enough down the road of crazyville.
Joe Getty
Right, right, right. Yeah. Trying to remember who I was reading in the last couple of days who was talking about one of the reasons Charlie Cooks. Kirk. Charlie Kirk, not cook. Charlie Cook of the National Review is still among us. Charlie Kirk's method of getting in there and scrapping verbally with people he doesn't agree with is so important to stress test your ideas and, you know, it's like you're talking about surprising your bones. You've got to subject your ideas to the rough and tumble of disagreement. I mean, we got this email talking about how the right reporting people for glee over Charlie Kirk's murder is just like the cancel culture of the left. And I disagree. But I had to spend a fair amount of time thinking and building a case for why that's true. And as I often say, if you write in, say hey, I disagree or here's what you missed, that's not like an insult or a disservice. Hell, it's doing us a favor. You know, just try to be reasonably respectful. But yeah, I would agree. I think the left really needs a charismatic old schooler to lead them out of the wilderness of. All we know how to do is yell at people and hurt them and call them fascists because you know you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow. In the words of the great hippie John Lennon.
Jack Armstrong
So as we wrap up the hour, you probably saw that golf legend fat drunk John Daly set the record for most strokes on one hole at an actual Tour event over the weekend.
Joe Getty
I did hear a reference to that. Yes.
Jack Armstrong
He took a 19 on the par five 12th at the Champions Tour match over the weekend.
Joe Getty
Gonna be tough to bounce back from that 19.
Jack Armstrong
What I like about it is, so he, he sends his tee shot into the rough, then he goes to his ball in the rough and out of bounds from there seven times in a row.
Joe Getty
Hey, sticking with plan A, it'll work. It's one of these days.
Jack Armstrong
So is that if you've ever golfed, you've reached this level where you're so angry and disappointed at yourself and demoralized and your score is shot anyway, it's just like, oh yeah, how bad you want it to be. I mean, you're. I don't know who you're punishing then, right?
Joe Getty
It reminds me of when the Hanyuk would like, rip off their shirt on the Maury Povich show and just stand there.
Jack Armstrong
There, I showed you. You showed me what? That is kind of what you're doing here. You're just like, I'm gonna show me how bad I can be. I'm gonna show you how much I can suck. I'm gonna hit the same shot again. Oh yeah. Ow. Oh. How do you like this one? The same one you say? Yeah, yeah. What do you think now, huh?
Joe Getty
Who are you addressing anyway? Way to go, John. Coming up next hour, really interesting study going back a number of years about why cultists stick with the cult even when undeniably, factually, you've showed them that they are wrong and how that applies to today's politics. If you don't get next hour, grab it via podcast. Subscribe to Armstrong and Getty on Demand.
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This episode centers on American polarization, the effects of social media, and recent news events—including political violence and media bias. The hosts discuss the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the role of social media in fueling division, reactions in media and culture (like the Emmys), and broader implications for society and politics. The episode also covers lighter topics like exercise, personal anecdotes, and quick takes on trending news and oddities.
Wry, conversational, sometimes darkly humorous. The hosts approach serious subjects—political violence, social breakdown, media echo chambers—with a mix of fatalism, sarcasm, and mordant wit, as well as self-deprecating banter and playful asides.
This episode candidly examines the American predicament: growing polarization, the corrosive effects of social media, the impotence of traditional solutions, and the shifting contours of media and activism. Armstrong & Getty alternate between deep worry about society’s trajectory and resigned humor, offering sharp critique and occasional practical advice—while never losing their trademark skeptical edge.
For listeners seeking the pulse of current cultural and political anxieties, this episode is essential, alternately sobering and wryly entertaining.