Holy Crappings!

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode Title: Holy Crappings!
Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Armstrong & Getty

In this episode, Armstrong and Getty dive into a frenetic mix of current events, political intrigue, cultural quirks, and technology’s impact. The central focus is the political drama surrounding the Epstein Transparency Act and the broader societal implications of AI and its integration into both economics and everyday life. The episode also covers U.S.-Saudi relations, the pervasive influence of conspiracy theories, the slippery standards of elite society, and some lighter observations about language and technology.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. AI Revolution and Societal Impacts

(03:08 – 06:35)

• The hosts reflect on the accelerating presence of AI in society, worrying about possible “bubble” dynamics in the stock market and the vastly different futures AI might bring.
• They note a philosophical divide: some experts believe a future without work could be “utopian,” but Armstrong & Getty are skeptical.
  • Quote [03:56, Getty]: “There’s an aspect of it that feels like a Super Bowl pregame show ... everybody talk about who might win the game now for two and a half hours.”
  • They push back on the idea that humans would flourish with nothing to do, likening utopian optimism to “running banks on the honor system.”
  • Quote [05:25, Getty]: “It’s as if they suggest running banks on the honor system. Wait, wait, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Have you never noticed that a lot of people will just take what they can get?”

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2. US–Saudi Relations & MBS Visit

(06:40 – 11:15, 20:40 – 21:19)

• The episode covers Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s (MBS) near-state visit to the White House and President Trump’s drive to sell F-35s to Saudi Arabia.
  • Quote [07:03, Third Host]: “He’s the de facto leader ... it’s close to a state dinner. You gotta use slightly different silverware and different colored ties or whatever.”
• The morality of international diplomacy is dissected, particularly the selective outrage over dissidents like Jamal Khashoggi versus other dictators.
  • Quote [07:46, Getty]: “All due respect to the horrors of regime that snuffs its dissidents ... you all are obsessed with Khashoggi. God bless him, ‘cause he was a journalist.”
• The significance of Saudi-Israeli normalization via the Abraham Accords is highlighted as a major achievement in American diplomacy.
  • Quote [09:36, Third Host]: “This is a huge international diplomacy win for the Trump crowd ... you got the whole Saudi Arabia thing. We’re gonna give them F35s.”
• The hosts mix in dark satire, suggesting a “gold bone saw” as a commemorative gift for MBS—a biting reference to Khashoggi’s murder.
  • Quote [21:03, Third Host]: “It’s a gold bone saw to commemorate my chopping up a dissident. Oh my God. Oh, the real world.”

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3. Epstein Transparency Act: What’s In It & Why the Frenzy?

(02:09, 15:04 – 36:16)

• The hosts break down what’s actually in the legislation (all unclassified records, flight logs, internal emails, immunity/settlement details, and more).
  • Quote [27:04, Third Host]: “All the flight logs of everything he’s ever flown in, ever, is going to include a lot of famous people.”
• Concerns are raised about the unfairness to individuals whose only connection to Epstein is incidental. Releasing names and logs could damage reputations without any proof of wrongdoing.
  • Quote [29:09, Third Host]: “All kinds of famous people’s names are going to come out ... doesn’t mean they did anything wrong ... TMZ is going to be in the face of everybody.”
• The hosts predict a storm of repetitive, sanitized public statements and suggest the entire exercise will feed, not quell, conspiracy theories.
  • Quote [32:03, Getty]: “That many documents ... there are vague references, there are phrases ... the conspiracy theory madness around this will continue ... as if no documents had been released. Every answer will spawn five new questions.”
• They argue that while it’ll dominate headlines, the disclosures likely won’t prove any of the giant, wild conspiracy theories circulating online.
  • Quote [32:14, Third Host]: “That there is a nationwide child pedophile ring run by the Clintons, the Obamas, the Hollywood elite. No.”
• A broader point emerges about how America’s most powerful protect each other, regardless of party.
  • Quote [34:54, Third Host]: “There is a widespread code among people with power and money ... like Larry Summers ... I need dating advice from a known scumbag ... we overlook each other’s flaws.”

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4. Culture, Language, & Generational Trends

(13:03 – 14:57)

• Lighthearted discussion arises about a trend where young people are dropping the “t” sound in words like “button,” tracing back both to modern SoCal and older East Coast dialects.
  • Quote [13:42, Getty]: “I blame Southern California earlier, and I stand by that ... But it occurs to me my grandmother ... who was born and raised in Hoboken, New Jersey, said ‘button.’”
• The hosts gently mock and lament linguistic “affectations” and how speech trends change over time.

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5. Urban Transport: Air Taxis & Their Challenges

(17:50 – 20:37)

• Armstrong & Getty discuss the feasibility and implications of an on-demand “Uber for air taxis,” by the company Joby.
• They’re skeptical about airspace management when large numbers of flying vehicles are present, worrying about logistics and safety.
  • Quote [20:12, Getty]: “You can maneuver in three dimensions. How hard can it be? You go up, they’ll go down. Oh, they’re going up too. I’ll go right, they’re going right down. Kirblouy.”

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6. The Risks of AI-Enabled Toys for Kids

(36:16 – 40:27)

• The hosts raise the alarm on AI-powered toys, specifically a teddy bear named Kuma using ChatGPT, which has been found dispensing inappropriate (even sexual) information to children.
  • Quote [37:52, Getty]: “Get your kid a chimpanzee and give the chimp a revolver. Then go out and enjoy date night. It'll be fine.”
  • Quote [40:14, Third Host]: “What do you think would be the most fun to part of our body to explore? Said Kuma the Bear.”
• They hammer the risks of unleashing unfiltered AI on children, highlighting the lack of sufficient safeguards.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On conspiracy theories and political spectacle:

  • “[This] is so tail wagging the doggy, you’re going to see ... a blizzard of statements ... While I knew Mr. Epstein briefly and traveled with him once, I never, blah, blah, blah, signed 100 different names and that will satisfy no one.” (29:32, Getty)

• On AI utopianism:

  • “I'm amazed at the super smart people who actually believe that AI allowing people not to work is a good thing. That blows my mind ... You couldn’t have a different view of humanity than I do.” (04:10, Third Host)

• On the futility of data dumps:

  • “Every answer will spawn five new questions. And God help us.” (32:03, Getty)

• On the risks of AI for kids:

  • “Toys with AI technology ... powered by ChatGPT. If your kid says, what's a sex swing? The thing's gonna describe what that is.” (37:52, Third Host)

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Episode Timeline

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 02:09 | Teaser on Epstein Transparency Act | | 03:08–06:35| AI, the future of work, human purpose | | 06:40–11:15| Trump, MBS, Saudi relations, F-35 sales | | 13:03–14:57| Speech/language trends among younger Americans | | 15:04–36:16| Breakdown of the Epstein bill and its cultural significance| | 17:50–20:37| "Uber for air taxis" – technical and practical obstacles | | 36:16–40:27| AI chatbot toys and disturbing use cases |

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Overall Tone & Style

Armstrong & Getty deliver the episode with their trademark mix of wry skepticism, cultural criticism, and irreverence. They satirize the political spectacle, poke holes in utopian or alarmist narratives, and find levity even in stories with disturbing undertones. Their conversational style is both breezy and sharp, making for an engaging, multifaceted listen.

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Conclusion

With “Holy Crappings!”, Armstrong & Getty take listeners on a whirlwind tour of headline-grabbing stories—digging into the real-world implications, second-guessing media priorities, and always returning to the question of what actually matters to ordinary Americans. If you missed the episode, this summary captures both the substance and the spirit of their discussion—a blend of sharp skepticism, humor, and concern for what technology and politics are doing to our society.

Transcript

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio.

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Studio, the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack.

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Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Armstrong and Getty.

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And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

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Get it.

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The Epstein bill might pass unanimously today. Like 435 to nothing. What's in it? We can talk about that later. There's some interesting stuff in that bill that's going to cause some problems I think for a lot of people and probably not fairly.

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Yeah. Although no, nobody's talking about his judicial review of various aspects of it. I'm and I don't actually know the law. Can the executive branch just say to the judicial branch, no, a grand jury hearing, we're going to release all the transcripts even though that's illegal? I don't know.

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We can get into that later. This Stock market today. I am, as you all know, a day trader. While I'm on the air during commercial breaks, I'm trading many thousands of shares back and forth constantly up to the minute. I'm an hourly trader. Stock market today. AI bubble fears hit stocks for fourth day in a row. Could be one of the great bubbles in the history of bubbles. Maybe the all time biggest bubble.

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Who knows?

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We'll see eventually. Gonna talk a little bit about AI later as I took in several podcasts and started a new book yesterday on where this all might be going. Holy crappings. It really is quite possibly the biggest thing that has happened to mankind since fire. It really, really is.

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Yeah. I have a sincere question. This is not in the least cynical. You've read and listened to a lot and nobody seems to know the answer, but you're compelled to read another book about it.

[Third Host/Contributor]

Yeah.

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Do you feel like you're building a mosaic? Absolutely.

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Absolutely. Yeah.

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Clues of where it might be headed?

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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Because I was going to say there's, there's an aspect of it that feels like a Super bowl pregame show to me. And I've listened to, you know, Coach Gower and James Brown and everybody talk about who might win the game now for two and a half hours.

[Third Host/Contributor]

A lot of it is the history of all this and how it came to be in various directions. And, and also I like it from the aspect that I think my opinion is as valid as theirs or anyone else's on this in a lot of different ways since people are guessing how that's going to affect society anyway. I'll talk about that more later. I continue to be amazed at the super smart people who actually believe that AI allowing people not to work is a good thing. That blows my mind. I mean, you couldn't have a different view of humanity than I do. If you think that's true. And I was listening to some people yesterday, super smart, well educated people who think the future generations are going to look back on our generation. Your grandchildren are going to say to you, grandpa, what was it like to have to go do a job you didn't like every single day? And they give you like two weeks vacation? It must have been horrible. And they think it's just going to be junior.

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It is.

[Third Host/Contributor]

Well, it ain't the greatest. I have a job I do like, but I've, I've worked jobs I didn't like. It ain't great, but the idea when nobody has a job or a purpose for living that they'll be happy. I just I don't. I don't know what makes you believe that.

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You know, I agree with you that those people have an enormous, almost hilarious blind spot about the nature of humanity. It's as if they suggest running banks on the honor system. Wait, wait, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Have you never noticed that a lot of people will just take what they can get?

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Oh, shoot.

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Yeah, they would say, but it'd be because you notice that somebody who's completely idle and has no purpose in their life turns to drugs and pleasure and just falls apart as a human like.

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Every trust fund kid you've ever known. I mean, that's. That's going to be the whole country. And we're just going to write poetry and do deep thinking philosophy and volunteer. That's what we're going to do and.

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Clean up the environment.

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We're not just going to lay around and get fat and eat bad food and do drugs and get super. Turn inward and be obsessed with all kinds of crazy crap and sexual weirdness. No, no, no.

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For roughly a generation and a half, at which point we die out. Right.

[Third Host/Contributor]

That's wild to me.

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I think the honor system bank might be a better idea.

[Third Host/Contributor]

No kidding. Anywho, the President of the United States, Donald Trump, maybe you remember him from the Apprentice. Currently the president, second term. Actually, he's hosting MBS today in a near state dinner. It's not a state dinner because MBS isn't actually the leader of his country. Some other old guy whose brain doesn't.

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Work is his decrepit old dad. Right?

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Yeah, but he's. He's the de facto leader, but. So it's close to a state dinner. You got to use slightly different silverware and different colored ties and whatever. Why is MBS here? Well, here's a little of the report on that. President Trump says he plans to sell F35 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia, calling the country a great ally. Experts say the move could disrupt the current balance of military might in the Middle east, with Israel worried about maintaining its aerial superiority. This comes as the White House prepares to welcome the Saudi crown prince on Tuesday. It's the first time that Mohammed bin Salman will visit Washington since the 2018 killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The CIA believes the crown prince ordered that assassination, though he has repeatedly denied any involvement.

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That with all due respect to the horrors of regime that snuffs its dissidents. All right, that's horrible. Putin has killed his hundreds of thousands, Hundreds of thousands, including beautiful little children. He's kidnapped tens of thousands more Away from their parents. I could go on and on and on. And yet he had an audience with Trump there in Canada. Loathsome dictators and rulers get visits to Washington and vice versa all the damn time. Y' all are obsessed with Khashoggi. God bless him, because he was a journalist.

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Joe comes out prone. Bose bone saw.

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Yeah, that's fair enough.

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Barbaric. How much less attention would the story have gotten if we didn't have the whole bone saw detail? I got everybody's attention.

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I couldn't even tell you that was a specific kind of saw, honestly.

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No, it just.

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No carpenter nor butcher, but yeah, got everybody's attention.

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Oh, bonesaw, you say? How come? Well, they had to chop them up in tiny pieces so they could take him out of the hotel. And suitcases.

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Good Lord. I'm not saying I approve on any level.

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Anyway. Why is Trump flattering Saudi Arabia and selling them F35? Among other reasons, this.

[Armstrong]

At the top of President Donald Trump's agenda will be the Abraham Accords. He wants to see Saudi Arabia join this set of agreements that normalizes relations with Israel. It would amount to a major advancement of his signature policy in the region. Saudi Arabia said it has set a credible and irreversible pathway to Palestinian statehood as a precondition which the ceasefire President Trump brokered stops short of providing.

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So this was actually their lead story on Morning Joe today on Ms. Now it's called about the amazing development that the UN voted to accept the Trump Gaza peace plan. I mean, this is a huge international diplomacy win for the Trump crowd. The un, who hates the United States and certainly hates Donald Trump, voted to accept the Trump's Gaza peace plan. And then you got the whole Saudi Arabia thing. We're going to give them F35s. They're probably going to sign on to the Abraham Accords. And you've got at least the beginnings of some sort of peace in the Middle east. Like, has never happened. Yeah, maybe them recognizing Israel. Whoever thought that that was going to happen?

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That'd be big. I love this headline. Where is it? Hamas's popularity rises in Gaza, complicating Trump plan to disarm militants? I guess they're like the only law and order there in Gaza that's visible on the streets. And crime has gone crazy there as the. The poor Gazan people are being victimized over and over again. And they're just. And people tend to do this. Anybody wants to come in here and keep order, I'm in favor of them.

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Yeah, you would be, too. I would be too sure. If you can't walk out of your house without being shot or your wife raped or your kids snatched, you'd be for isis, as has happened in Iraq, or Hamas has happened in Gaza. Whoever is going to make the streets safe.

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Yeah, the subhead rather tells you the whole story. Many Palestinians in Gaza want the militant group to leave power but still welcome its crackdown on crime. Yeah, there you have it.

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Remember that from an episode of the Mandalorian, one of the evil guys from Because I don't know the whole Star wars story. I don't. I don't really. I don't have it in my head. Something to do with the Empire or whatever. But anyway, one of your Empire dudes saying to Bill Burr, the comedian right before Billboard blows his head off. People like order and they'll they will appreciate anybody coming in to restore order on their planet. That's true.

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Then Bill Burr turned out to be a woke jackass. Oh no, that was in real life.

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That was in real life, not as the character in the Mandalorian.

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I was going to check the X line to see if anybody commented on people dropping their I can't say it. We had this news Story. Young people are dropping their TE's in words, and it's kind of caught on as just a manner of speaking. And I've noticed my high schooler does it. He's been doing it for years, though, so I don't know culturally when it started, but he's been saying buttons and kittens for. For a long time, and I've never said anything about it. I actually thought maybe it was like a little bit of a speech impediment. But it's a. It's a. It's a trend. It's a. I don't know what you call affectation. There you go. Affectation.

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You know, it's funny, I blame Southern California earlier, and I stand by that, at least in the modern iteration. Iteration. But it occurs to me that my shit grandmother iteration, my St. Ed grandmother on my father's side, who was born and raised in Hoboken, New Jersey, said button. Button. So that was a speech pattern back then there as well.

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Well, yeah, it's just. Yeah. I hated up talk when it first hit until I. I don't remember what I was listening to. And I realized, oh, the Irish have been doing this forever. It's just the way they do it there.

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Exploitable.

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Drunk.

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And I drank too much, and I'm.

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We had a fight and I got kicked out and I went home. My old lady was really angry, Right?

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Yeah. What is he gonna do?

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Yeah. So, yeah, trends come and go, but. Yeah, so if you. If you.

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This one needs to go quickly.

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It's annoying if you know a young person that says button. Buttons. It's hard for me to even do buttons instead of, oh, you did it.

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Wrong button.

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But in.

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Yeah.

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I'm having trouble. Dad. I'm having trouble with this. But in. On my shirt, trying to button his sleeves.

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You're what? My butt. In what?

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I don't know what that is. I know the word button.

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Are you pointing to your button, son?

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What is actually in the Epstein Transparency Act? It's a lot, and it's gonna make a mess. I think if it actually passes and gets signed into law, among other things, we can do this hour.

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Stay here, Armstrong and Getty.

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Shh.

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The company Joby in partnership with Uber, has been testing and demonstrating around the world, including here in Dubai, in California and in New York. This is Click a button and get a flight. A regular Uber will pick you up at your home or office and take you to a vertiport where you'll board a taxi unlike any other. The cabin will be air conditioned with four passenger seats. Joby says a ride will cost around the same as an Uber black fully electric. The taxi can go 200 miles an hour. I am so confused by this now. Obviously it would have to be in major urban centers where they got, you know, big airports. I guess but so an Uber picks up at your house, takes you to your closest airport of any kind. Probably could be private airports, and you get into some sort of flying something. And for the cost of an Uber Black, which is not very much, it takes you across town to the next closest airport. Then you'd have to get in another Uber and go to the actual. You know, you'd have to be in a place like the size of Los Angeles or New York for it even makes sense. I think, from my understanding from the report. These little heliports that they were talking.

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About, they're standalone structures, so it wouldn't have to be at an airport.

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Just anywhere a helicopter can take off and land. Right. Makes sense.

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Yeah.

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And they're like big oversized quadcopters, like, you know, your, your drone. But yeah, they said it was roughly. Pictures of real estate, roughly the size of an suv.

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But for the cost of an Uber Black. I mean, I don't know if you ever do that, but it's not that expensive.

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Right. Is it an electric motor? Fully electric, yeah.

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Wow. I mean, if it becomes a deal where for 80 bucks you could get clear across LA really quickly. A lot of people doing that.

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Yeah, you got the occasional crack up. And people might end up less alive than they are currently. But who might have stand away in the way of progress.

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Although once you have very many of them in the air. I've been saying this the whole time and I've never heard anybody really address it, whether it's the drones that Amazon's talking about using or these air taxis or whatever. Once you get very many of these things in the air, how is that going to work out?

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You can maneuver in three dimensions. How hard can it be? You go up, they'll go down. Oh, they're going up too. I'll go right, they're going right down. Kirblouy.

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I just, I just can't. Maybe I lack knowledge of how they're gonna come up with air lanes to where like, you drive on the right side and you go at this elevation and everybody's separate. And I just can't imagine how that would work.

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I'm staying on the ground, thank you very much.

[Third Host/Contributor]

Sounds pretty darn cool. So MBS just arrived at the White House and Trump was waiting for him out there. And MBS got. I was hoping MBS gets out of his limo and Trump hands him a gold bone saw as like a gift.

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Oh, bygones. Water under the bridge.

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And probably not a real workable bone saw, but it's the sort of thing you set on your desk and. Hey, right.

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It's a commemorative bone saw.

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Yeah. And it probably has a little plaque on it. And MBS could say, Trump gave this to me. It's a. It's a gold bone saw to commemorate my chopping up a dissident. Oh, my God. Oh, the real world.

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Wake up. Grow up.

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Um, you're gonna like this. I haven't read the whole interview, but they talked to three university leaders in the New York Times. Somebody from University of Wisconsin, Madison, somebody from Dartmouth, somebody from Wesleyan. Anyway, the dude from Dartmouth talking about the current situation between the Trump administration universities, blah, blah, blah, as leaders, we lost our mission about what higher education was, where educational organizations were not political organizations like the RNC and dnc. We're not even social advocacy organizations. Said the president of Dartmouth in this interview.

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Yeah, I have plenty of evidence that his point of view is just starting to blossom. We still have a long, enormous fight in front of us. But, yeah, it's encouraging that at least some folks seem to have some grasp of sanity on campus.

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Wouldn't that be great if that got turned around? Oh, our job is not to be politically active. Our job is to, like, learn science or math or art or whatever you're majoring in. Wouldn't that be fantastic?

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Yeah, we can talk about that. Maybe hour four, how long and difficult that's going to be. But, yeah, it would be fantastic.

[Third Host/Contributor]

What's actually in the Epstein Transparency Act? A whole lot of stuff. Stay tuned.

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Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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As Epstein files, fever continues to ENGULF Washington. The U.S. attorney's office in downtown Manhattan.

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Is investigating the disgraced pedophile's ties to prominent Democrats. This at the direction of both President.

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Trump and Attorney General Pam Bondi.

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US Attorney Jay Clayton is probing Epstein's ties to former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers.

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And former President Bill Clinton.

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An aide for the former president posted.

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Bill Clinton did nothing and knew nothing. The rest is noise, meant to distract from elections, losses, backfiring, shutdowns, and who knows what else.

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I was reading Mark Halperin's newsletter today, and he said in Washington, D.C. it is the only story for everybody of every ilk, no matter your political affiliation or the department you work for. The only story in D.C. right now is the whole Epstein thing.

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There are 340 million people in this country, roughly show of hands, whose life will be affected directly by anything that happens. Not one with the Epstein. There might be 50 people, including his victims.

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Well, yeah, some of the politicians. I mean, it's affected. Larry Summers Former president of Harvard and former treasury secretary as it came out.

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Maybe 100 people, maybe 200.

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It came out last week. We read these earlier. There are emails. He was soliciting dating advice from Epstein long after everybody knew what a creep Epstein was after he'd been convicted of being a creep.

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Right.

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And Larry Summers was still, hey, I got this girl I'm mentoring. What would be the best way to get her where I want her to be?

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Right. I mean, good judgment, Larry.

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Freaking creepy. So a couple of things before I get to what the bill actually is, which is why I think this is. I don't think it's a big deal that it will have any effect on anybody. I think it's a big deal in the fact that it's going to roil our media and politics for a little while.

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So.

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Well, first of all, Trump said this yesterday. I'm all for it. You know, we've already given 50,000 pages. You do know that, unfortunately, like with.

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The Kennedy situation, with the Martin Luther.

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King situation, not to put Jeffrey Epstein.

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In the same category, but no matter.

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What we give, it's never enough. That's probably going to be true. No matter what happens, there will still be conspiracies out there or belief that stuff is being hidden. Oh, 100%.

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That's how conspiracy theories work. Yeah.

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Mark Halperin said based on everybody he's talking to, the vote could be close to unanimous today in the House, especially since Trump changed direction and went with, yeah, vote for it Sunday night, having wanted to try to keep the MAGA crowd together voting against it, and he couldn't. That's its own interesting separate story, as the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times and National Review all have pieces out about how MAGA is defying Trump. Now on the Senate filibuster, on Indiana redistricting, on trade, and on this Epstein vote, they just say, no, we're not listening to you anymore.

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Kansas told them no, too, on the redistricting thing.

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Such is the nature of being a lame duck. Now, there was some belief, and I believed it myself, that maybe, okay, it passes the House, but then it's dead. Well, I'm reading in the Wide World of News today, John Thune, the guy who runs the Senate, could schedule a vote soon or put off a vote till later. But no one thinks, given the President's 180 degree turn and support and the expected overwhelming tally in the House today, that Thune can just bury the thing and not take it up. There'll be too much political pressure to Take it up as a bill.

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There's that change in the wind we speculated might be coming yesterday.

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Will any Republican filibuster the legislation? At this point, that seems unlikely in the extreme, especially since there's almost certainly 60 votes, all the Democrats and at least 10 Republicans. And you don't need the filibuster proof 67 anymore because Trump has already said he'll sign the bill, so it's probably going to go through the House and the Senate quite easily. And then Trump's gonna.

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Well, it's got to get past the filibuster to get to the floor to be voted on, so you've got that step.

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Not according to this reading here.

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Oh, is that because it's a consent?

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Will any Republican filibuster the legislation? At this point, it seems unlike. You'd have to say I filibustered then it. Then you need two thirds. But he doesn't think anybody will, so I don't know. We'll let this play out.

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The Dems love it for whatever perverse reason.

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Right. So it's going to go through. So what is in the dang thing? I'll just read this first big paragraph and I think all of this is going to lead to a mess of meaningless talk and chatter and interviews and lots of people being forced to answer questions and maybe their wives getting really angry or. The Justice Department must publicly disclose all unclassified records, documents, communications and investigative materials, including records relating to Epstein's detention and death, all flight logs of all aircraft owned or used by Epstein. I mean, right there, all the flight logs of everything he's ever flown in, ever, is going to include a lot of famous people that are going to have to answer questions. Why did you go to the island? Or why did he fly you to Vegas in, you know, July of 2018? George Clooney, or. I'm just throwing out a name, but.

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Whoever sex up any teenagers, right?

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Yeah. You'll be in a position where you have to answer it. All individuals named in connection with Epstein's criminal activities throughout his life, civil settlements that have already happened, or immunity or plea agreements, all that stuff is going to come out. Immunity deals, sealed settlements, plea bargains of Epstein or his associates, entities with ties to Epstein's trafficking in financial networks and internal Justice Department communications concerning decisions to investigate or not investigate or charge Epstein or his associates throughout the years. Wow, that's a lot of stuff.

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Gosh. I'd say. And a lot of stuff that is traditionally never, ever released for some pretty good reasons, you know, Now I actually wish I was a real lawyer because I find myself wondering if you've got a private agreement, a NDA non disclosure agreement, both parties agreed to it, you sign it, the money changes hands, whatever, whatever the terms were, can the federal government come in years later and nullify it and say nope, now it's all out in the open.

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I have no idea.

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Even a thing.

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As the kids say, I have no idea. And you've been saying for a long time that one of the reasons this stuff shouldn't come out is it's not fair to people who haven't been accused of anything. But all, like I said, all kinds of famous people's names are going to come out of having gone to parties, flown around with Jeffrey Epstein. This sort of stuff doesn't mean they did anything wrong or what, whatever. But TMZ is going to be in the face of everybody making them answer a question.

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And this is so tail wagging the doggy, because you're going to see a flurry. No, a blizzard of statements. You know, you could mimeograph them. That's an old timey word. And have everybody sign them. While I knew Mr. Epstein briefly and traveled with him once, I never, blah, blah, blah, signed 100 different names and that will satisfy no one.

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This is also in there and I have no idea if this is legal or not. The Justice Department may not withhold or redact records on the basis. Basis of embarrassment, reputational harm or political sensitivity. How about that? Wait a second. The due process of this country now means if I've ever been in the same building with Jeffrey Epstein yet, that's going to be released and it's got nothing to do with nothing. And it's going to cause embarrassment, embarrassment, reputational harm and political. There's political sensitivity, but whatever it comes out, I'm not part of any investigation or nothing.

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Yeah, that's why I think there's going to be that, that blizzard of, you know, just kind of milk toasty statements and it'll all be forgotten eventually. I don't, I don't know. So this whole thing wears me out.

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So that's the individual stuff, which I don't really care about. Well, I don't care about any of it. But one interesting aspect that I guess I do kind of care about is when they start looking into the investigations that did or didn't happen over the years and why. And the emails back and forth between people of why are we not pursuing Jeffrey Epstein? Hey, who made that deal down in Florida where he got off all that, all that sort of stuff. A federal judge has said there are more than a hundred thousand pages of files and materials related to the Justice Department's investigation into Epstein. And the Justice Department has confirmed that it possesses more than 300 gigabytes of data and physical evidence, including files that must. That are going to come out.

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Good God. I'm announcing my retirement and the way conspiracy theories work. And I've got some really good information on this, but it's kind of long form, maybe podcast someday, but that much information, that many documents, there are vague references, there are phrases, there are sentences that will be seized upon and amplified and yarns spun about their significance and their true meaning. And the conspiracy theory madness around this will continue on precisely as it is, as if no documents had been released. And every answer will spawn five new questions. And God help us.

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Right? And then it gets down to the. Is any of this going to show.

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No.

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That there is a nationwide child pedophile ring run by the Clintons, the Obamas, the Hollywood elite. No.

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No.

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Trump. No.

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Who's been dealt in. Evidently, according to the conspiracy theories.

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Right. That he is. Must be tied into it because he's trying to cover it up. Yeah, there's. There's nothing there that, I mean that's, that's the nothing burger of all nothing burgers.

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So as people struggle to pay their bills, the schools from K through grad school are perverting their children's minds. I could go on and on with all the real issues this country is struggling with. The Democrats at this point and a handful of Republicans have decided that this is the top priority and we're going to deal with this. Okay.

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For different dumb reasons. They are feel pressure from their bases to do this. Yes.

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There are some days I think Xi Jinping is right.

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I'm glad I don't work for the New York Times or the Washington Post and I'm going to be handed 300 gigabytes. Go through this and find something good.

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Giggity.

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Spend the rest of your career working on that. The, the investigating Epstein stuff could get interesting though, if it, if it turns out somebody who party who flew on the plane a lot sent an email saying, yeah, let's not take this any further. I think this is a, a dry hole on investigating Epstein over the years. Or you know how nobody, nobody still knows why he got such a light sentence for what he got caught doing in Florida.

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Yeah. Yeah. And. And I don't know, I just, I'm so exhausted by it.

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Because.

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Getting back to your picturing being a journalist. Your editor says to you, hey, it turns out the third in command for Home Depot in the 90s new Epstein, I want you to research him and figure out. So you spend the next three days of your life wasting it on that. And that will spark more idle gossip and conspiracy theories and the rest of it.

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And once more from Rich Lowry. As I mentioned this earlier in the National Review, I do think this is interesting. What we've learned from this is that there is a widespread code among people with power and money who support one another, their pals, no matter what side of the aisle they're in, the club, no matter the sins of their members. Transgressions that get contextualized, explained away, understood. Like a guy, like area Larry Summers, who just, you know, I need dating advice from a known scumbag. But we're all in the same club of we overlook each other's flaws or problems or weirdness.

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We're all the super rich, the powerful, the connected. Yeah.

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Bingo.

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And.

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And for the record, for folks who are sincerely just concerned about the victims of Epstein and his small, probably den of pervos, I know you all think it's a large din. Superfos. I don't think we'll ever get satisfaction on that. I wish we would. To set your minds at ease, if for no other reason. But I just. If there was damage to be done, it would have been done already.

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Absolutely. And as Ms. Now said last night, formerly msnbc, there are a thousand Epstein victims that have come forward. Well, not a single one of them have said I was in a bedroom with Trump. Not one of them.

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No.

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And that's. That's the whole driving force behind this for all of mainstream media.

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Well, right, but the Trump administration can't get a narrative going now other than pro or con Epstein. And that's good enough for the Democrats. They will bring the country and its media to a halt for days, weeks, I don't know how, months, just for the purpose of screwing with the Democrats to gain a small advantage, maybe in the midterms. That's the way our politics works. This is no way to run a republic.

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So you're doing your shopping for Christmas. You got a little cute little five year old boy. You know what you ought to get him or girl? Get them a toy with AI built into it so that they can ask the thing questions and it tells them all kinds of horrible, horrible stuff. Apparently that's actually happening right now with some warnings going out already. We can tell you about that, among other things.

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So stay Tuned Armstrong and Getty Science News.

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The examination of animal genitals has helped scientists to discover seven new species. The scientists added that it wasn't worth it.

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Hmm.

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So this is getting a lot of attention today. Toys with AI technology in them, particularly these teddy bears from a company called Folo Toys. Their little AI powered teddy bear, Kuma. I don't know how they did.

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A word.

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K U M M A.

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Okay.

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It's an Asian company. Maybe it's something in something. I don't know. I don't know how they didn't know this, where it was, where it was going to go. I mean, you don't have to be super smart to get this, but these, these teddy bears basically had Siri in them or grok in them. Like I've got grok in my truck.

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Yeah.

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And if your little kid gets his teddy bear and ask it, what sound does a cow make? It's gonna say, a cow says moo. But if. Also if your kid says, what's a sex swing? The thing's gonna describe what that is. I mean. Cause it'll just answer any question. There are no guardrails on it whatsoever. I got a better idea.

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Get your kid a chimpanzee and give the chimp a revolver. Then go out and enjoy date night. It'll be fine.

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Yes, yes. This particular teddy bears Powered by Chat. GPT. The same service we talked about yesterday, that assisted suicide. Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's horrifying. But even if it didn't have the whole suicide thing just. I mean, you're. You're basically giving your kid. Here's the entirety of the Internet of everything everybody on earth knows. Ask it any question you want. Little kid. How. How did they think that was going to work anyways?

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GPT stand for gore, porn and terrorism.

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That's good.

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That's what I'd say if I was like a belligerent, you know.

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That's really good.

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Stereotypical talk show host.

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Yeah, you should do that in your Mark Levin voice. I could see him doing that for a tease tonight.

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Oh, yeah, you're right.

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So they've already had problems with parents complaining that the cuddly companion was giving wildly inappropriate and even dangerous responses, including tips on how to find and light matches and detailed explanations about sexual kinks. Oh, boy. Is mommy a furry?

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I don't know, Junior. Let's find out. Go into her closet.

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Yeah, it's just. It's so. I. I don't. Like I said, I can't believe this business thought that this was going to work, that it wasn't gonna. They weren't gonna get blowback immediately on this.

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I'm just flabbergasted.

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I know. So it's been being pulled off the shelves all across America, and there you go.

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Well, and evidently yesterday, I think it was, we were on some screed about how AI was going to do humanity in. The first commercial on the podcast maybe was for one of these AI toys.

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Whoops.

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Money well spent, friends.

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Right? But as they pointed out that the AI starts out pretty innocent, and then the more you talk to it, the further it just becomes, you know, just what AI is.

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Sounds a little groomery, doesn't it?

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In other tests, Kuma the Bear cheerfully gave tips on how to be a good kisser and launched into explicitly sexual territory by explaining a multitude of kinks and fetishes like bondage and teacher student role play. What do you think?

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Sorry, we didn't think of that.

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What do you think would be the most fun to part of our body to explore? Said Kuma the Bear. I'd ask during one of these explanations.

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Holy crap. Epstein the Bear.

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Good Lord.

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Chester the Molester the Bear.

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Good Lord. Oh, man. If you missed a segment an hour, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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Armstrong and Getty. This is an I heart podcast.