How Big Was This Toy Baby?!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode: How Big Was This Toy Baby?!
Date: April 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into a wide mix of contemporary topics with their signature blend of humor, skepticism, and sharp cultural commentary. Major themes include America’s new space race with China, the realities of homelessness and addiction, sharp political predictions about Congress and Trump, shifting expectations for young adults’ achievements, and a jaw-dropping story of extreme behavior in the world of gender identity. The episode stands out for its animated conversations, sarcastic banter, and moments of deadpan disbelief.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Artemis Mission & The New Space Race with China

[04:00 - 14:43]

• The hosts react to the Artemis mission's recent launch, noting technical quirks (like a faulty bathroom fan on board).
• Main focus shifts to the strategic motivation behind the U.S. lunar program: rivalry with China for dominance on the moon.
  • Jack Armstrong: “That is the entire reason we're doing it… but that's not the main driving force. Just like it wasn't that got us to the moon in the first place.” ([06:46])
  • Both hosts lament that mainstream media fails to connect this new space rush to geopolitics and defense, likening it to the Cold War moon shot but with China as the rival this time.
  • The Chinese approach is described as focused, centralized, and unconcerned with diversity or bureaucracy.
  • The U.S. remains ahead in rocketry, especially due to private sector partners like SpaceX.
  • Jack foresees a military standoff in space during his own lifetime.
    • “There is going to be a military standoff about space between us and China.” ([08:49])

Notable Quote:

"Virtually all of our media would be embarrassed by. They can't bring themselves to be seen rooting for the United States of America. If we are in a race that we must win, they won't even admit that because then they would have to, like, be pro us. That's how sick they are."
— Joe Getty ([07:25])

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2. James Carville’s Political Prognostication & The Looming Trump Investigations

[15:43 - 21:20]

• The hosts discuss a recent statement by Democratic Strategist James Carville:
  • Carville predicts that when Democrats regain the House, they will focus on investigating Trump and his family “because there’s a lot happening, and a lot of it doesn't look good.” ([20:41])
  • The discussion is cynical about endless political vengeance and inability to legislate meaningfully.

Notable Quote:

“That is exactly what's going to happen. We are going to get so bogged down … with investigations of Trump and his family.”
— Jack Armstrong ([20:41])

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3. LA’s Subterranean Sewer Junkies — The Mental Health Crisis

[21:23 - 24:19]

• Follow-up on the homeless woman dubbed as the "subterranean sewer junkie" in LA.
  • Details her decline, the family’s frustration, and the system’s inability to forcibly provide help.
  • An emotional, eye-opening segment about the limits of compassion, law, and enforcement.

Notable Quote:

"She looks like a person who ruined her brain with drugs and now her brain doesn't work… for whatever reasons, mostly progressives, we can't get people like her off the street."
— Joe Getty ([23:50])

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4. Achievements by Age 25? Harvard Psychologist on Finding Your Path

[27:35 - 39:41]

• The hosts review insights from a Harvard psychologist’s lecture:
  • "If you've achieved nothing by 25, you've avoided the most destructive illusion of youth."
  • Early success can trap people into roles they didn’t consciously choose.
  • Failing or 'flailing' in your 20s often leads to clarity and perspective in your 30s.
  • Both hosts share personal stories of uncertainty and pivoting in young adulthood.

Memorable Quotes:

"You're not meant to have lived life fully and figured it all out at 25. You're meant to discover who you're not."
— Harvard Psychologist, recounted by Jack Armstrong ([32:46])

"Figuring out what you're bad at is incredibly helpful."
— Joe Getty ([37:20])

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5. Iran’s Record-Breaking Executions

[27:35 - 28:28]

• Quick but shocking segment: Iran is on track for its largest number of executions ever, including the ongoing brutal repression of dissenters.
  • “The Islamic Republic of Iran is on track to exceed the record number of executions that it has ever carried out with 657 executions in the first three months of this year.” — Jack Armstrong ([27:36])

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6. Dianne Feinstein's ‘Old Timey’ Views on Immigration

[28:28 - 30:36]

• A 1990s clip of Feinstein denouncing birthright citizenship abuse and crimes by illegal aliens, contrasted to the current Democratic platform.
  • The hosts marvel at how much the political landscape—and acceptable rhetoric—have changed.

"That's why you could be a Democrat. Back in the day."
— Jack Armstrong ([29:58])

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7. The “Toy Baby” Gender-Bending Madness Story

[44:45 - 47:06]

• The title segment covers a strikingly extreme example of identity play:
  • "Gabrielle Daron," a man, faked pregnancy (complete with morning sickness and a fake belly), joined support groups for grieving mothers, and went as far as to “give birth” to a toy baby inserted into his rectum.
  • Real grieving mothers who objected were removed from the group for transphobia.
  • Both hosts oscillate between disbelief, outrage, and dark comedy.

“The jamming a toy baby up you is a new angle.”
— Jack Armstrong ([45:56])

“Their very real grief was considered less important than this man's sexual fantasies… When is the next rocket to the moon? I'm getting on it and I'm out of here.”
— Joe Getty ([46:21])

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On media’s failure to cover the real reason for the moon mission:
  “It’s stunning to me that not a single news story I've heard about this includes that. That is the entire reason we're doing it.” — Jack Armstrong ([06:46])

• On future of US-China space/military standoff:
  “In my lifetime... there is going to be a military standoff about space between us and China.” — Jack Armstrong ([08:49])

• On the shifting purpose of lunar missions:
  “This time the goal is not flags and footprints. This time the goal is to stay.”
  — NASA Administrator, quoted by Joe Getty ([12:11])

• On the power of discovering what you’re not:
  “You're not meant to have lived life fully and figured it all out at 25. You're meant to discover who you're not.” — Harvard Psychologist, recounted by Jack ([32:46])

• On parental anxiety over kids' achievement:
  “My kids, who are both going to be high schoolers next year, I could easily see if they're 25 and flailing, thinking, oh, my God, they're doomed. But I shouldn't. Based on what I just read there.” — Jack Armstrong ([35:05])

• On the 'Toy Baby' story:
  “He inserted [a] plastic baby into his rectum… women who objected to his presence… were kicked out [of the grieving mothers’ group].” — Joe Getty ([45:20])

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Additional Highlights

• Advice for Young People ([47:29])
  “Get internships. Even if they're free internships. Find out what you don't like.” — Michael, producer

• Reflections on Career and Life Paths

  • Many successful adults did not plan their career paths—randomness, pivots, and learning what you don't want are often key.

• Final Banter

  • Amused obsession with the size of the toy baby in the episode title ([48:02])
  • Promise of an “interesting Armstrong & Getty One More Thing podcast” to follow ([48:08])

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Conclusion

A classic Armstrong & Getty episode—ranging from the deadly serious (US-China lunar rivalry, the opioid/homeless epidemic, political retribution) to the absurd (the “toy baby” story). The hosts mix pointed critique, gallows humor, and honest life advice, creating a lively, memorable ride across the peaks and valleys of the American zeitgeist.

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Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

They call me king now. Do you believe it? No. King. I'm such a king I can't get a ballroom approved.

[Joe Getty]

Pretty amazing, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm a king.

[Joe Getty]

If I was a king, we'd be

[Jack Armstrong]

doing a lot more. I'm doing a lot, but I could be doing a lot more if I was a king.

[Joe Getty]

Trump in a private setting in the White House that got inadvertently released.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was pretty interesting to watch. He I think I retweeted it. He sounds a lot different than you're used to hearing him talking to friends and stuff. He's just hanging out.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. We've had more than one beloved listener point out that he has, I think in the Art of the dealer in other writings said he intentionally thinks about what he says and he keeps it as simple as possible. So a lot of his hesitation, his repetition and stuff, is he doesn't want to get into detail and he's stopping himself from getting into detail, which I find curious because I find that one, that clip and the one where he jokes about McCrone's wife punching him in the face, much better communication than his usual public, you know, odd cadence. But one thing you got to say about Trump is he does stuff. He doesn't hem and haw about studies and the rest of it. He does stuff. Sometimes for good, sometimes for ill. See Iran, who knows. But also the space program has gotten a kick in the pants and is moving forward at top speed. The Artemis miss Blast off yesterday. It was super cool. I think things are going well, other than the somewhat troublesome problem Jack brought up earlier.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. They had a problem with the fan in the bathroom, which I guess sucks the deficit out of you when you have to go potty.

[Joe Getty]

No, I think you. You push it out in the usual way because that would be very uncomfortable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. I was assuming they put a vacuum tube up against your.

[Joe Getty]

No. Or a. I don't think that's right. No, indeed, no.

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[Jack Armstrong]

But anyway, the fan was not working, so there was a chance that it was going to be floating around. Just floating around the cabin. And you don't want that, I assume, fecal matter. Exactly.

[Joe Getty]

That's right. Dr. Johnny Depp.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

So, yeah, I hope they, they repair that. For a number of different reasons, but it's a hell of a thing to go. I'm sitting on however many billions of dollars worth of technology. You blasted me into space and I

[Jack Armstrong]

gotta fix the toilet and then the S hits the fan.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly, exactly. Well, that's what you try to avoid. So the New York Times, interestingly, with quite a piece about the race for dominance of the moon between the United States and China.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good, because it's stunning to me that not a single news story I've heard about this includes that. That is the entire reason we're doing it. I mean, you can talk about how it's the first half Asian Jewish woman to ever go into space, and you can talk about the various experiments they're going to do which are, are interesting and fascinating and, and, and, and cool, but that's not the main driving force. Just like it wasn't that got us to the moon in the first place.

[Joe Getty]

It was. We were worried the Soviet Union was

[Jack Armstrong]

getting ahead of us in the space race and they were going to, you know, send nuclear missiles up our hind ends.

[Joe Getty]

I'm going to drop a truth bomb on you right now, like you're the Ayatollah. Brace yourself. Virtually all of our media would be embarrassed by. They can't bring themselves to be seen rooting for the United States of America. If, if we are in a race that we must win, they won't even admit that because then they would have to, like, be pro us. That's how sick they are.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sure you're right. I also think there's a ton of people that have no idea that this is about a space race with China. It's not about the medical experiment we're going to try to do.

[Joe Getty]

So it's ignorance as well. I would agree. Yeah. So let's become unignorant shall we? Both the US And China want to build outposts around the moon's south pole and hope to tap frozen water, hydrogen and helium there. Both countries plan to build nuclear reactors on the moon to power lunar bases from which they can launch missions into deep space. And it's the new frontier, and whoever gets there first will have the big say in setting the rules. It's incredibly important.

[Jack Armstrong]

Both countries want to build nuclear reactors on the moon.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. And mine it for resources to build exploration and. Or, I don't know, just off the top of my head, military capabilities there.

[Jack Armstrong]

In my lifetime, and I've got one foot in the grave in my lifetime, there is going to be a military standoff about space between us and China.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That could easily, you know, play itself out on the ground. Yeah, we're firing, you know, rockets at each other in the, you know, South China Sea over the fact that, hey, you don't get to land that rocket there where we're building our nuclear reactor.

[Joe Getty]

Oh. Or at least they will take out some key satellite that, you know, powers the cell phone service for the Eastern seaboard, and we will retaliate by taking out one of their main satellites. And then there will be hasty diplomatic talk. Something like that is practically guaranteed to happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

How is it that every story about the moon doesn't include this? It's a space race with China.

[Joe Getty]

I know I'd like to flatter ourselves that that's why people enjoy the show. Yet the lack of curiosity in the media is just so amazing to me. Anyway, back to the main story. According to Jared Isaacman, who's the NASA administrator, in terms of the space race, they may be early, and recent history suggests we might be late. The US wants to be back on the moon by 2028, two years ahead of China's target. But as he was pointing out, we're being optimistic and they're being conservative in their numbers. And here's where it gets interesting. And look, there are advantages to having a dictatorship. It's unholy and violates all the laws of nature and God, but it's handy in some ways. China is pursuing its lunar ambitions with singular, formidable focus. And they have several advantages over us. Experts say China's edge lies in its centralized control, which allows it to plan and fund projects for decades at a time. And no like whipsawing back and forth from one administration to another, its robotic space missions have already gone where we have not. China is the only nation to land on and retrieve samples from the far side of the moon. The Hemisphere that always faces away from Earth. This summer, China's seventh robotic mission, Changi 7, will explore the lunar south pole. How much probably exploit the lunar penguins. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

How much energy do they put into making sure they have racially and sexual orientation diversity among their astronauts?

[Joe Getty]

Ha ha.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know.

[Joe Getty]

Ha.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know, I know.

[Joe Getty]

So they also point out that China's immediate ambition is a bit leaner. Chinese astronauts plan to land on a relatively accessible near side of the moon where Neil Armstrong landed more or less in 1969. You're your uncle Jack. American astronauts are aiming for the moon's south pole. They do mention that the, the US has gotten serious, mostly under Trump, and overhauled the program to have more launches to test components, gain confidence and lower risks. After returning the astronauts to the moon, NASA plans to launch missions every six months and sustain a presence there. So we get really, really good at it. Here's the key statement from Mr. Isaacson, the NASA administration administrator. This time the goal is not flags and footprints. This time the goal is to stay

[Jack Armstrong]

my uncle Neil Armstrong, father of Lance Armstrong, son of Louis Armstrong. It's quite the family tree.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it really is. Yes. Don't get your kite caught in that family tree. You'll be stuck for good.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we're gonna, we're gonna land there at some point and day and then China's gonna try to land in a different spot and then it's gonna Chinese

[Joe Getty]

moon Marines to take over our base.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's gonna be something to watch unfold.

[Joe Getty]

Here's some more fact factage for you. China is pursuing similar goals through two programs that will likely merge crude missions under the military's purview and civilian robotic missions. Both rely on technology built by the same Big Chines Corporation that shares key technologies between those two sides. Well, NASA relies more on heavily, more heavily on private vendors.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I was going to ask about Elon and SpaceX, how all this fits in. I mean, do they consult with him? Because I mean he wants to land on the moon and build a power plant for AI and you know, he's got goals to get to Mars and do. Does he work with NASA on. I'd kind of like to use this spot. And we're going to use this spot. And I wonder. I don't even.

[Joe Getty]

I'll bet they are coordinating in various ways, technical ways that I would know about. But they actually referenced the fact that we are way ahead of China for now in rocketry, partly because of SpaceX's amazing work, the Falcon 9 rocket. They highlight in particular where China's kind of playing catch up on that technology. The American launcher is a marked improvement on the system that first sent astronauts to the moon. It is a powerful and complicated rocket cobbled together from components made by NASA and multiple contractors. But they mentioned that the rocket's been used many times. On Wednesday, it blasted off for its first crude mission and was a huge success. Went beautifully.

[Jack Armstrong]

Another advantage that China has is that their population is going to have nothing but nationalist pride and ego attached to anything they accomplish. Whereas half of our country, unless our politics change in the next decade or two, half of our country is going to be marching in the street. No colonialist colon. No colonizing space.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. No settler colonialism on the moon. Yeah, exactly. Which is all and has been for a very, very long time, a deliberate program by the Soviets, then the Russians and Chinese to sow discord in our society. And if you take a minute to look into it, you see the fruits of what they're doing. It's worked. They quite wisely went after academia first. That's why colleges and schools are so blanking screwed up right now. It's really frustrating that not only has it worked, but most Americans, they would hear what I just said and think, oh, he's kind of paranoid or something. No, they actually set out what they were going to do. They wrote it down and signed their names to it. But I come in every day and try, I try to lift the, the, what was the, the expression in the Bible? The scales from your eyes. The Bible, The Bible. That's right, sir. They call me a king. I can't even get a ballroom approved.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ancient James Carville, the raging Cajun. Got Bill Clinton elected. Just dropped a truth bomb of what it's going to be like if and probably when the Democrats take over Congress.

[Joe Getty]

Good God.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think he's right too.

[Joe Getty]

Plus, an update on the subterranean sewer junkies of la.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cool. All on the way.

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[Jack Armstrong]

And I bring this up because I agree with it, if you have not accomplished anything by 25 or if your kids have not accomplished anything by 25, it's not only not a big deal, it's quite possibly preferable. I found this fascinating. Stay tuned. So you got to be old to know who James Carville is. He helped Bill Clinton get elected in 92. I mean, that's the highlight of his political career. And that was a long time ago. Anyway, I think he understands politics pretty well and he just gloated, I guess, that when the Dems take back the House and have the power of the gavel and subpoena and all the stuff that comes with being the House majority, they're gonna go, he said about Trump, they're gonna go after you and then they're gonna go after your stupid jackass kids and their spouses and all of their financial connections.

[Joe Getty]

I was uncharitable.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you know what? That is exactly what's going to happen. We are going to get so bogged down if the Democrats take back the House, and I think they probably will with investigations of Trump and his family because there's a lot happening and a lot of it doesn't look good.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the cryptocurrency stuff is going to be incredibly damaging. It's shameless. It really is. Or if what he's doing a lot of policies, but it's shameless.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or if they can connect any dots on, for instance, that insider trading around the oil. When he made that announcement a week or so ago, him or anybody in the family.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's going to be ugly.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's going to happen. I'd bet money on it.

[Joe Getty]

Let's briefly remind ourselves of the subterranean sewer junkie situation we discussed last week. Michael, if you'd be so kind.

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[Joe Getty]

living conditions too extreme for words. It's hard to imagine someone living in there. Trash, human waste and an overpower stench. I got it. I got to get back Just moments earlier, we watched someone climb out of that storm drain using the sewer as shelter water.

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Her answers hard to understand,

[Jack Armstrong]

but the

[Joe Getty]

area, 88th and South grand, overwhelmed with RVs, tents and trash. And as part of that report, they talked to a man on the street who said, come on, these people have been here for nine months. We've got to do something for them. The city needs to move in. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Your typical, you know, compassionate left dish response. Well, the woman who became widely known as the subterranean sewer junkie, as I characterized her, has been identified as a mother of three. Good Lord. Jamila Robinson, once known, blah blah, blah, is the woman identified and living in an underground encampment filled with human waste and toxic materials. She has refused help from her family, including her mother, who's been in contract with contact with her. Robinson's mother, Linda, blame dropped drugs when asked how her daughter may have gotten herself into this situation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait a second, you should have said you're going to want to sit down for this because that's shocking news.

[Joe Getty]

Mom went on to say it's the second time she's been in the sewer living down there. I'm saddened to see oh, LA City Services has offered Jamila help multiple times, but videos shared by Fox 11 show the 43 year old homeless woman walking family's not heard from her since. If it was the daughter, sister, mother of the mayor, where would they take them? She told fox instead of just allowing them to walk away. The family says there's not enough enforcement and more needs to be done than simply asking or offering help. Quote, just take her because she's not mentally able to think straight for herself. The distressed mother said, yeah, man, if

[Jack Armstrong]

you had a family member like that and probably some of you listening do, I'll bet it's shocking how difficult it is to get anybody to intercede in their life.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, and she appears to be probably, although this is hard to say definitively because I want to be fair, she looks like a person who ruined her brain with drugs and now her brain doesn't work. It's possible she turned to drugs because of mental illness, but at any rate, she can't possibly help herself. And for whatever reasons, mostly progressives, we can't get people like her off the street.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got millions of people like that. What are we going to do with them? Housing at great cost forever for the rest of their natural lives.

[Joe Getty]

Good question.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. If you haven't accomplished anything by 25, don't sweat it. Among other things.

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[Jack Armstrong]

be an interesting segment. Got a number of interesting things for you. Start here. This is horrifying, but interesting. The Islamic Republican of the Islamic Republic of Iran, gotta remember that's the actual name of the country. The Islamic Republic of Iran is on track to exceed the record number of executions that it has ever carried out with 657 executions in the first three months of this year.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

So they are not slowing down on being an awful regime because of this attack.

[Joe Getty]

Somebody needs to tell them that's the religion of peace that's slaughtering people by the tens of thousands and that's a

[Jack Armstrong]

record number of executions in addition to machine gunning 30,000 of their young people during the protests. That's a heck of a story.

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Story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Another completely different story. This is an old timey clip of Senator Dianne Feinstein from the early 90s when she was a much younger but still middle aged because she's so old.

[Joe Getty]

Kind of funny referring to the 90s as old timey, but I get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Early 90s. Yeah. What is that, 30 years ago? Dianne Feinstein so this is a perfect clip to listen to because of recent news. You got one, you got the birthright citizenship thing and you know, illegals and what benefits they get along with all the fraud that we've got going on in California around some of this stuff. This is Dianne Feinstein talking in the early 90s.

[Joe Getty]

Should you have a system where people can come to this country, even if they're well to do, get on Medicaid and give birth to a baby and then go back? The answer is no. And we know that Medicaid laws are being used and abused to do just this in the state of California? I'd like to see that stopped. About 13% of the California prison population costing close to $300 million a year are illegal aliens. I've had judges in Los Angeles and Orange county tell me one half of their criminal dockets are illegal aliens. Presently, a convicted illegal alien has the option serving their sentence in California or being returned to their country of origin. I think that option ought to be removed.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is why you could be a Democrat. Back in the day.

[Joe Getty]

I was just thinking if somebody's over 40 and they say, yeah, I used to be a Democrat, don't hold that against them. They were saying they just had some different points of view

[Jack Armstrong]

that Democratic Party does not rule the day. There are like 15 different things there that she said that would keep you from getting the nomination for president. And the Democratic Party now even using the term illegal or suggesting that they commit lots of crimes or or stealing benefits.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's amazing.

[Joe Getty]

Is how effective the post modern takeover of our schools has been in. They've moved the Democratic Party that far.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's amazing. Yeah. Okay, so completely different topic. Maybe I can't find it. I do hate the fact that a lot of websites online, at least on my phone, that if you click off your phone and you go back to them, they reset for some reason. You know, newspaper stuff like that. I don't know why they do that. Why do they make them that? Anyway, I found it. This is on the topic of the avenue of achieved anything by 25. Don't worry about it. How about if you haven't achieved anything by 65? I'm still hoping I still got some time friend. Yes, A Harvard psychologist said this a couple of years ago. Interesting thought starter. If you've achieved nothing by 25, you've avoided the most destructive illusion of youth, said this Harvard psychologist at a lecture. At first the room laughed. She wasn't kidding. It's all about the illusion of early success. In your early 20s. The brain seeks quick proof of worth, status, attention, rapid achievements. I think I remember that. But psychologists warn that chasing recognition too soon can lock people into roles or paths that they never consciously chose. They decide too early and spend years trying to undo it. Research on career development suggests that people who Explore more before 30 Explore more before 30 Often build stronger long term directions, testing ideas, making mistakes in public, changing course. At 25 it can look like confusion, but by 35 it often turns into clarity. This kind of fits in with your story of going one direction and then decide you want to be on the radio. And then you do that. That

[Joe Getty]

people failing miserably for years.

[Jack Armstrong]

People who feel behind in their mid-20s frequently gain something others miss perspective, patience, and a clear sense of what truly matters to them. That foundation often leads to better decisions later on.

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Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

At the end of the lecture, this Harvard psychologist left the students with one final Thought you're not meant to have lived life fully and figured it all out. At 25, you're meant to discover who you're not.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Can you send that to me? I would like to distribute that to certain young people who I care about a great deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's pretty interesting. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Now, when they say they haven't accomplished anything at age 25, how, how. How little? I mean, are they potty trained?

[Jack Armstrong]

Tie your shoes. Can you tie your shoes?

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[Joe Getty]

boy. It is to laugh, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

I get that.

[Joe Getty]

I totally get that. Yeah. It's funny. Having not been plagued with immediate success, I'm having to think about what that would be like. I can picture it, like in the Hollywood set or among sports stars, that who you are, I mean, to your core, becomes something that's either probably unsustainable or in the case of athletes, absolutely unsustainable.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've known a couple of PhDs. Two. Two total, but I've known two in my life that really wish they hadn't locked themselves into a particular line of study that was going to dominate the rest of their lives and made that decision at age, you know. 21.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking to that there.

[Joe Getty]

Well, let's. That's. There's probably a little sunk cost fallacy going on there too. But, you know, I haven't lived their lives, so I wouldn't. Well, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gotta believe that pretty much every doctor we all ever go to made that decision pretty young, and they're happy with it, I would assume.

[Joe Getty]

Does everybody understand what the sunk cost fallacy is? I don't. Clarity is my hallmark, as Michael can tell you. Not yelling at. Not yelling at the staff. It's. It's the idea that. Well, I've already spent this much time and effort doing this, so I guess I have to keep doing it.

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[Joe Getty]

No, don't. Don't throw good time after bad. Change your course. As the great Robert Plant put it, there's time to change the road you're on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Jack Armstrong]

He added, so I'm thinking about this because I'm. Again, I got one foot in the grave. My life is over. I'm. I'm in the winter of my life.

[Joe Getty]

So all these up, really, at this

[Jack Armstrong]

point, all these decisions have been made for me. But my kids, who are both going to be high schoolers next year, year, I could easily see if they're 25 and flailing, thinking, oh, my God, they're doomed. But I shouldn't. Based on what I just read there, it's funny.

[Joe Getty]

I can still feel. I can still so easily picture my mood at the time. Gladys. I'm pretty sure I was 23, had decided I wasn't going to go to law school, at least not immediately. And I was trying to figure out what I did want to do. And I felt like I was at sea and not just not ever to be rescued. Because I saw some of my friends were, you know, business majors or engineering majors or whatever, and they started and they talk about their starting salary and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm a maroon. I'm like, I'm like a piece of trash being blown about by the wind. What shall I do at age 23? And I tried to communicate that to my kids.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I guess I got my own version of that. Having, you know, studied hard to take the test to get into an MBA program because the MBA was the hot degree in the 80s. If you want to be successful in the world, you had to get an mba. That was the. The big deal with Japan on the rise and all that sort of stuff. And I was in that for one year of the two. And I hated all the people and I thought I wouldn't. I know every, every description of what you're going to do for a living sounded awful to me. And so.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And so it's like this. You're meant to discover who you're not. I discovered who I'm not. I'm not a person who. I mean, a lot of you do that and love it, but I would not. And it would have been terrible for me to continue in that direction.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting. Discovering who you're not and what you're not interested in is important.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, It's. It's liberating in a way that's very difficult to explain to kids because you don't want to. As I've explained before, the world will kick their dreams bloody soon enough. You don't need to be seen as the lead, you know, in that effort. I finally figured that out. So it's tough to over. You don't want to over explain that, but yeah, yeah. Figuring out what you're bad at is incredibly helpful.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Michael.

[Joe Getty]

I had a friend that went to school for six years to be an engineer, got his first job, then realized he hated being an engineer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, God, that would be. Oh, when that realization dawned upon you, you'd be so sad.

[Joe Getty]

You know, one of my favorite examples of this, and I know he wouldn't mind me sharing this at all, is My good friend and good friend of the show, Mike, the attorney from Chicago who got out of college at University of Illinois, go Ilanae with a degree in biological science. And then he became interested in the legal part of biological science and got a law degree and practiced in that area, then decided, you know, the biological science thing isn't nearly as interesting. It's just human beings. And so he got into, like, the other part of law and is now very happy and successful and the rest of it. And I mean, that. That those transitions encompass. Encompassed his 20s and 30s and I think maybe early 40s. So, yeah, just hang in there. Figure it out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. The difficulty of explaining to kids and then raising kids and watching them, I suppose, when my kids get older is how many people do you know that got to the point they're at now, like, on purpose or. I mean, with a plan that you could have designed. It's just so many random things that happen.

[Joe Getty]

I brought this up to a bunch of golf buddies of mine the other day, and it got a pretty good laugh. I said, how many of us or anybody you know is doing a job you knew existed when you were a teenager? Very few of us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, I know there are exceptions. Like, I've got a niece who's in a, you know, a cowboy. She is. She wants to be a doctor. She's always wanted to be a doctor. She finished undergraduate. Now she's in medical school and probably work out fine for her anyhow. I've known plenty of people that want to be a cop, and they become a cop and they're a cup for decades. So it happens, but most of the time.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah. I just think as a kid, you presume that it's nearly 100%. You declare some adult, ask you what you want to do when you grow up, you tell them, and that's what you become, right? Well, sometimes, but an Instagram influencer, because

[Jack Armstrong]

that's what everybody wants to be.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, sit down. Son or daughter? We need to talk.

[Jack Armstrong]

One more thing on this before we take a break. So this lecture was in the 2021, you know, modern era. Would you have given that lecture? I mean, because, like, when my parents started out, they. They got married in the early 20s and had my mom, had me at 22. And, you know, you accomplished a lot of what you were going to accomplish very early. Is it just the timeline difference different?

[Joe Getty]

I think it's. It's changed, but I think the principle was still there. I mean, I think of my dad and his life and career and being in the military and getting out and trying one thing than another and yeah, it's, it's fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's too late for me to change course.

[Joe Getty]

Well, he realized that he and my mom had given birth to a juvenile delinquent, so he had to, you know, adjust his sales and lower his expectations. I'll be cleaning up messes for the next 18 years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Apparently we'll finish strong next Armstrong and

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madness poster child of the day, week, month, year and perhaps ever would be quote unquote Gabrielle Daron. I'm looking at his picture right now. Spent nine months simulating a pregnancy including this one. Goes out to you Katie. Breathe deeply. Okay, maybe, maybe take off your headphones.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is a chance to practice your

[Joe Getty]

Lamaze breathing including feigned morning sickness and the wearing of a fake belly with the attention intention of play acting the loss of an imaginary baby.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy.

[Joe Getty]

He also joined a support group for grieving grieving mothers who had lost children.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

Seeking validation and support for his plan. Quote, unquote, stillbirth.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

Even went so far as to rent a machine that simulated contractions and bought a plastic baby which he inserted into his rectum. Okay. And then.

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[Joe Getty]

Quote, unquote, gave birth to. Afterwards. Oh, no. Afterwards. Excuse me. He took two weeks off from work.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I would quote, unquote, grieve.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, I'd take two weeks off or something, but I know. Okay. That the first part of the story. We've kind of heard those sorts of things before. The jamming a toy baby up you is a new angle.

[Joe Getty]

It gets worse in a different way. Women who objected to his presence in the group, who had actually lost children, were kicked out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

So that this man could feel supported in his game of let's pretend. Their very real grief was considered less important than this man's sexual fantasies. And it was the progressives in the group that made the ladies leave because they were being transphobic. When is the next rocket to the moon?

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm getting on it and I'm out of here.

[Joe Getty]

What the hell? Yeah. Yeah. He convinced his doctors to provide him with drugs to induce lactation. He asked members of an online breastfeeding group if he'd join. He joined. If any of them would be willing to let him breastfeed their babies. Oh, my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, really?

[Joe Getty]

That's how you end the show, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, that's. Now we've turned on Joe.

[Joe Getty]

It's a memorable note. Alice is your fault.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

Bring back mental institutions. I don't want the show to be over, but I'm ready to listen to

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[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'll save my final thought. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

I think we're all having similar final thoughts, but let's get them officially from everybody on the crew. Michelangelo, lead the way, would you. Yeah. This is for any young person that's listening to this show. Get internships. Even if they're free internships. Find out what you don't like.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good one, Michael.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, just get exposed to things you normally wouldn't have seen and heard and learned. Katie Greener, esteemed news woman, has a final thought. Katie, I can't say mine, cuz I'll get fired or kicked off of the air by the fcc. So, yes, we'd all like to do that. Okay, Jack, final thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do we have a size on this toy baby? Most.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Most toy babies are pretty big.

[Joe Getty]

He's obsessed folks. Oh. Oh oh boy. My final thought will be we're gonna do a pretty interesting Armstrong and Getty One More Thing podcast right after the live presentation is over. If you subscribe to our podcast, Armstrong and Getty on Demand One More Thing downloads automatically and sometimes there are swears. So maybe Katie can actually say what she would like to do to this woman.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Armstrong and Yeti wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

So many people. Thanks a little time. Go to armstrongandgetty.com for the hot links. We've got all sorts of interesting videos for you and links to the stories we refer to. If you want to read more, check it out. Pick up some Angie Swag. Nice T shirt. Helps keep everybody on staff during these challenging times. Your favorite A G fan would enjoy one.

[Jack Armstrong]

You had to do that story again beginning of the show tomorrow. Everybody needs to hear that.

[Joe Getty]

Wowzers. I'm just shaking my head.

[Jack Armstrong]

See you tomorrow. God Bless America.

[Joe Getty]

I'm strong and Getty the Artemis Mission Blast off yesterday was super cool other than the troublesome problem Jack brought up

[Jack Armstrong]

earlier, the fan in the bathroom, which I guess sucks the deficit out of you when you have to go potty.

[Joe Getty]

No, I think you you push it out in the usual way that would be. That would be very uncomfortable. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was assuming they put a vacuum vacuum tube up against your No, I

[Joe Getty]

don't think that's right.

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