Human Beings Suck!

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Human Beings Suck!
Date: December 1, 2025
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty return from vacation for a lively, often sardonic discussion on the failings and complexities of human nature—hence the episode’s title, “Human Beings Suck!” The conversation weaves through stark and timely topics: the risks of AI, immigration policy, genetic surprises and inheritance lawsuits, modern American politics, Christmas culture clashes, and political scandals, all mixed with their signature humor and candidness.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI, Human Nature, and Existential Threats

Timestamps: 02:29–03:55

• Jack highlights the book If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies, emphasizing the dangers of artificial intelligence if left unchecked. The author—a former AI optimist—now advocates for halting superintelligence due to existential risk.
• They segue into human nature:
  • “Human beings suck.” (Joe, 03:21)
  • “We're sort of designed to suck. And then culturally you have to push the suckiness out of us. That's kind of the conservative principle, right?” (Jack, 03:44)
• Joe muses on a thought-provoking read about feminism and the core of human identity being built on social connections, not radical individualism.

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2. Immigration, Assimilation, and the “Suicidal” West

Timestamps: 04:41–14:20

• Jack recounts the case of an Afghan refugee who attacked National Guard members—prompting renewed debate on immigration, with Trump and Sen. Rubio calling for dramatic restrictions.
• Discussing Rubio’s speech:
  • “The new U.S. state Department directive declaring mass migration an existential threat to Western civilization isn't just an American policy shift. It's a geopolitical earthquake.” (Jack, 06:41)
• Joe agrees, calling mass migration from cultures antithetical to Western values “suicidal.”
  • “Think about just inviting four random strangers to your Thanksgiving table...totally unvetted.” (Joe, 07:28)
• Jack and Joe wrestle with historical comparisons (e.g., Irish and Italian immigrants), questioning if the differing cultural roots of modern migration challenge America’s assimilation capacity.
  • “It seems...denying the obvious to claim that we can just absorb any amount at any speed and be fine.” (Jack, 09:39)
• Joe distinguishes between prior waves of European immigration and current trends.
  • “You cannot compare Irishmen from Somalians. Sorry.” (Joe, 11:15)
• They agree that calls for checks on migration aren’t bigotry but reflect a natural, reasoned concern:
  • “You've got the gas pedal, people, then you got the brakes, people. That makes sense.” (Joe, 10:04)
• The discussion critiques “diversity crowd” talking points and signals looming court battles over new immigration restrictions.
• Trump’s combative interview approach is noted:
  • “He immediately went to insulting the reporter. It was a pretty seasoned reporter. 'Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person?'” (Joe, 14:34)

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3. DNA Revelations, Inheritance, and Family Dramas

Timestamps: 18:18–22:42

• Joe narrates two related stories spotlighting how genetic testing leads not just to joyful reunions but also legal warfare:
  • Carmen Thomas: discovered her half-sisters through 23andMe, then sued them for a share of a multimillion-dollar inheritance.
  • The complex state-by-state legal landscape:
    • “In many states, genetics determine who can claim, make a claim on inheritances in the absence of a will or trust.” (Joe, 20:15)
  • A Utah case where decades of birthday cards (with $100 bills) swayed the state Supreme Court to award a third of an estate to a half-brother.
• Jack reflects on acquaintances discovering siblings late in life and the emotional complications it brings.

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4. Ukraine, Peace Talks, and Trump’s MRI Mystery

Timestamps: 25:41–32:55

• Ukraine Peace Process:
  • Ongoing U.S.-brokered talks are described, with persistent hurdles as neither Russia nor Ukraine is willing to concede on key points.
    • “Seems like it seems like you need some sort of threat from the United States and. Or Europe that we're gonna really support Ukraine...But that is not what's happening.” (Jack, 27:55)
• Holiday Shopping & the “Trump Economy”:
  • They muse over consumer spending’s disconnect from widespread pessimism about the economy—“If the Christmas season ends up being up nearly double digits like it was on Black Friday. What the hell, everybody?” (Jack, 29:02)
  • Joe counsels listeners to avoid constant partisanship:
    • “If you are still looking at everything that happens through a good for Trump or bad for Trump...Take a minute. Everything's fine. Calm down. TG—touch grass.” (Joe, 29:49)
• Trump’s MRI Revelations:
  • Trump promises to release MRI results, but is evasive about what body part was scanned.
    • “Trump added yesterday that he has no idea on what part of his body he got the MRI. Wow.” (Jack, 31:30)
    • Joe satirizes: “Your ankle is one of the best ankles. Many people are saying your ankle is the best they've seen. Thank you, doctor.” (Joe, 30:49)
  • They both mock the implausibility:
    • “The idea that he doesn't have any idea? Well, that's a non-starter in terms of my believability.” (Jack, 32:00)

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5. Political Corruption: Congressional Insider Trading

Timestamps: 36:10–39:29

• Jack spotlights Rep. Tim Burchett’s (R) viral moment denouncing congressional self-enrichment via stock trades:
  • “It's not a swamp. A swamp is something cool God created...This is a sweet sewer. This is created by man and it needs to stop.” (Burchett, as quoted by Jack, 37:03)
• The “Unusual Whales” website is discussed—tracking unusual congressional trades for retail traders.
• Burchett’s assertion that “Pelosi's not even in the top 10” among congressional profit-seekers is highlighted, suggesting bipartisan abuse of the system.

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6. Christmas Controversies & The War on Tradition

Timestamps: 43:18–45:58

• Jack and Joe react to Portland’s decision to remove the “Christmas” label from its tree-lighting ceremonial language, making room for Free Palestine and Native American Heritage Day commentary:
  • “The majority of people are there for...the freaking Christmas tree lit up. You can't acknowledge what the majority of people like 99% of the people there for. You gotta talk about other trodden upon people...” (Jack, 45:16)
  • Joe skewers the event:
    • “In defense of the completely insane and urine stained Rose City...they did trot out a Santa Claus and...holiday carols...” (Joe, 45:39)

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7. Pop Culture & Holiday Shopping Nuggets

Timestamps: 46:12–47:21

• Jack shares a Vegas anecdote: a store’s top-selling memorabilia is a $1,500–$3,000 photo of “Cousin Eddie” from Christmas Vacation, signed by Randy Quaid.
  • “If he gets 200 bucks a signing out of the 1500 and signs a thousand in a day. He made $200,000.” (Jack, 47:12)
• Joe: “I'm not paying 3k for it. I'm not even paying 1500 for it. But that's pretty funny.” (47:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On human nature:
  • “Human beings suck.” (Joe Getty, 03:21)
• Armstrong on conservatism:
  • “We're sort of designed to suck. And then culturally you have to push the suckiness out of us. That's kind of the conservative principle, right?” (Jack Armstrong, 03:44)
• On immigration:
  • “You cannot compare Irishmen from Somalians. Sorry.” (Joe Getty, 11:15)
• On inheritance and DNA surprises:
  • “Even if there is a will or trust, common phrases such as ‘to my descendants’ or ‘to my children’ can open the door for a surprise relative to make a claim. Affairs have been going on forever, but now they're getting discovered.” (Joe Getty, 21:43)
• Rep. Burchett on Congress:
  • “A swamp is something cool God created...This is a sweet sewer. This is created by man and it needs to stop.” (Rep. Burchett as cited by Jack Armstrong, 37:03)
• On Portland’s Christmas tree:
  • “She used her time on stage to lead the crowd in a Free Palestine chant...This is the perfect time to bring this up. There are a lot of genocides going on.” (Joe Getty quoting the event, 44:00)
• On the MRI confusion:
  • “That seems odd to me that he got an mri, but he has no idea what part of the body.” (Jack Armstrong, 31:35)

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Episode Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment Topic | Timestamps | |-------------------------------------------------|-------------------| | AI and Human Nature | 02:29–03:55 | | Immigration Debate (Rubio’s Speech, Assimilation)| 04:41–14:20 | | DNA Surprises & Inheritance Lawsuits | 18:18–22:42 | | Ukraine Talks, Trump’s MRI | 25:41–32:55 | | Congressional Insider Trading | 36:10–39:29 | | Christmas Tree “Renaming” in Portland | 43:18–45:58 | | Christmas Shopping Pop Culture Story | 46:12–47:21 |

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Tone and Style

Jack and Joe maintain their trademark banter—mixing sharp observations, exasperation, playful mockery, and serious critique. The tone swings from skeptical to outright cynical, but occasionally (as in family drama stories) lands on a warmer note.

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For New Listeners

This episode is ideal for those interested in timely political commentary, social trends, and cultural flashpoints, delivered with humor and irreverence. Whether mocking bureaucracy, dissecting legal loopholes, or skewering holiday controversies, Armstrong & Getty aim to provoke, entertain, and challenge.

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand—sharp talk, skeptical wit, and a firm belief that, yes, human beings often suck... but at least it makes for entertaining radio.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

[Joe Getty]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and be getting.

[Jack Armstrong]

If anyone builds it, Everyone Dies is a book that I really been into during the break about AI and I want to talk about that later because I think that is absolutely true.

[Joe Getty]

Say that title again.

[Jack Armstrong]

Surely making a lot of noise in the AI world. If anyone builds It Everyone Dies by one of the leading proponents of AI for the last several decades who has changed his mind and decided this is not good and wants to try to get government policies put in place to stop anyone from one from building super intelligence. But we'll talk more about that later.

[Joe Getty]

And if that doesn't give you nightmares, maybe this will. They reconnected with family through 23andMe and got sued. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God. Trying to imagine what would be the situation here. Okay, I can look forward to hearing this story.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy. Human beings suck.

[Jack Armstrong]

Welcome back from vacation. Ready for the Christmas season, Armstrong and gay human beings suck.

[Joe Getty]

Tell you what, as a general rule, that's true. If you can find some that don't, I suggest you surround yourself with them and live a happy life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we're sort of designed to suck. And then culturally you have to push the suckiness out of us. That's kind of the conservative principle, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Indeed. Well stated. I happen to come across a really, really interesting read about a different sort of feminism. It's more than that, but it talks about how we are not units as human beings. We are, we are our connections. And it makes an argument for a much more traditional view of womanhood. But it's just, it's an intriguing thought that we, it's. You don't self actualize through, you know, your Thomas Paine, like fierce independent individualism entirely. But anyway, more to come on that it's, it's a. Definitely a. A chin rubbing. Think a thon.

[Jack Armstrong]

A chin rubbing. Think a thon. That's a fantastic phrase. So this is a horrifying story. You probably heard about this even if you weren't trying to pay attention to the news. A couple of Guards National Guards members being shot, one dead, one clinging to life by a guy who helped us in Afghanistan. Then we allowed him into this country and somehow, at least according to Secretary of State Kristi Naomi got radicalized since then and sounds like he went pretty damn nuts. Anywho, among the things that Trump has said in a reaction to it is we're gonna cut way down on immigration to this country. Here's a little bit from Meet the Press and then a reaction from a US Senator about it.

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President Trump is escalating his immigration crackdown, vowing to permanently pause migration from what he calls three third world countries.

[Jack Armstrong]

When I heard the secretary say that they're going to pause immigration from third world countries, I mean, I, I take that as a message that they don't want brown people coming to the United States. That's under God's sake. Mark Kelly of Arizona. So one of the reasons I wanted to get into that. So even before that incident happened, this happened at the very beginning of Thanksgiving week. Didn't get near enough attention. But Marco Rubio announced that the US State Department directive declaring mass migration and existential threat to Western civilization.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And gave a big speech about it. Didn't get near the attention it should have. Now, I don't know if they gave that speech. Well, this doesn't make sense. But I was about to say, I don't know if they gave that speech, like, knowing it was Thanksgiving week and it would kind of get buried. But why would you. And why would you want to do that? Why would you want to hide?

[Joe Getty]

You just wouldn't make the speech at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anywho, it got a fair amount of attention by a lot of world thinkers that, you know, because a lot of countries are having similar problems. That's why he said Western civilization and not the United States. See France, see Britain, see Germany. See lots of countries. The new U.S. state Department directive declaring mass migration and an existential threat to Western civilization isn't just an American policy shift. It's a geopolitical earthquake. And the tremors are heading right down Downing street and other streets of power around the world, according to this thinker, Jim Ferguson, who I follow sometimes on Twitter. But that's, that's interesting. And I wonder what the repercussions are going to be of that or what the policies are going to be going forward. But I think what Trump said about no more migration from third world countries fits in with that.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I think it's refreshing, honestly, that somebody's gone ahead and stated the obvious, because all of the people in Germany know this to be true. All the people in France, or most of them anyway, Great Britain is acutely aware of this, that the mass migration, especially from cultures that hate the Western values, was suicidal. It was a terrible idea. And now, Ruby, I was going ahead and saying it out loud. I'm glad. I think that's great. I'm pro. I'm quote, unquote, pro immigration under certain circumstances. But I mean, think about just inviting four random strangers to your Thanksgiving table and then being shocked when maybe it didn't turn out great. I mean, totally unvetted. In fact, some of them, you should have presumed that they would hate you and your culture because they've. That's where they came from.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a pretty good suicidal. That's a pretty good metaphor, analogy sort of thing, because. Yeah. So you invite a couple of people in from who knows where. Doesn't matter. And then they sit down and say, what is this? I don't like turkey. And what is that brown stuff? Well, that's stuffing. I don't ever had that I want.

[Joe Getty]

And why are the women talking at this table? Shut up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Even a better example. And how come we haven't, you know, done this amount of praying before we eat or whatever the situation is? You're like, well, that's not our tradition here. Well, it's our tradition and we're here now and we're demanding it. You wouldn't react positively to that.

[Joe Getty]

No. Unless you were a soft headed, soft hearted, suicidal lefty.

[Jack Armstrong]

I get confused about this a lot because some of my favorite thinkers, I won't name one because I don't want to get into a battle with him. But conservative talking about people have been. And he's, he's very right. Conservative people have been claiming that immigration was going to ruin this country since, you know, the very beginning. And whether it was the Irish or people from Italy or whatever it was, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's true. But you got to admit, don't you, that at some point too many people, too fast from a culture that doesn't agree with our values is going to be a problem. Don't.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

It seems to me to be denying the obvious, to claim that we can just absorb any amount at any speed and be fine.

[Joe Getty]

Right? What? I have two reactions to that. Number one, I think the fact that people have always expressed that sort of concern is proof that it is an innate human tendency. It's not stupid bigotry. It's a very, very reasonable instinct that if we let people flood into the tribe not knowing who they are or not knowing them, they're from a different tribe with different values, that's going to weaken the cohesiveness of the tribe. Now it turns out in a country like ours, as people assimilate, we could handle immigration and still do our thing. But the fact that people were saying, hey, let's cover the break, if not tap it a little bit, that doesn't make them wrong. That just makes them part of an equilibrium. You hear what I'm saying? I mean, you've got the gas pedal, people, then you got the brakes, people. That makes sense. Second response to that, and you touched on it, is it is so fundamentally different. Importing Irish people or Italians who were talking about in previous, you know, rounds of immigration, mass immigration, they come from countries that are based in Judeo Christian principles, an English common law, or something close to it, at least in. In Italy. Whereas people from Africa, the Middle East.

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[Joe Getty]

The very fundamentals of their understandings of law and culture and religion and everything else are in some cases diametrically opposed to what we believe in the West. You cannot compare Irishmen from Somalians. Sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Since the declaration from the State. State Department in Mario Marco Rubio speech was declaring mass immigration an existential threat to Western civilization.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, so throughout history, countries that are part of Western civilization came here and we were able to absorb it. That's not proof that countries not from Western civilization. Lots of people we could absorb.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and how about we tap the brake until we see how it's going?

[Jack Armstrong]

And the more I think about it. So what are you assuming then, people that are going to come here from other countries where they do things completely different in terms of the separation of church and state or the women's rights or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Rights just in general? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're just going to give up everything they've ever believed, just automatically. They just think, you know, everything I've ever believed, what my parents believed, what my grandparents believed, screw all that. I'm just going to adopt your way.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Saying what I hear is he doesn't want brown people. Well, what I hear is we don't want people who don't believe in Western civilization, regardless of your skin color.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, Mark, you're next. I wish we had him on right now. I think just express that to him that simply say, what do you say, Senator? That is such a just cliched narrative hewing pile of crap. Does he actually believe that he's a smart guy?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, he does not. That's just playing the game.

[Joe Getty]

Rage baiting to get clicks and donations. That's an easy thing to say from the diversity crowd. That's weak.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now it'll be interesting to see how long this ban that Trump announced lasts, what court challenges will occur, and then bigger picture based on what Marco Rubio said, what that means for other countries.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, we ought to get the opening clip from Meet the Press where somebody asked him about the vetting of the Afghan guy and he immediately went to insulting the reporter. It was a pretty seasoned reporter. Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? They let them in completely ignoring the question, which was a reasonable one. Trump is not getting more reasonable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, any thoughts on any of this? Text line 415295 KFTC ARMSTRONG and GETTY.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Is there an older gentleman out that lives here? Yes. He fell down the road there. He face planted. I was just on my regular route. I came across guys, saw him in my rearview mirror. I saw that he called and did a U turn. I got to him as quick as I can, making sure he was okay.

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Helped us get him into the car.

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Daughter reached out on Facebook so we could somehow thank him.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we got his name and got to meet him and we connected. And I said, your family, what are.

[Joe Getty]

You doing for Thanksgiving?

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Things could have gone so much worse.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's nice. Mail carrier sees old dad face plant, get injured, wheels around, AIDS him, helps get him into the car to the hospital. Emily invites him to Thanksgiving dinner.

[Jack Armstrong]

Did the mail carrier not have his own family to. Or did he. Did he. Did he do a bang bang? Did he do a Thanksgiving bang bang? Did his own family then went over to their house?

[Joe Getty]

Well, if the time is right, yes, you can pull that off. That'd be great. Ah, yeah. Do we know where that happened, Michael? I. I don't, actually. Those sounded like upper Midwestern accents to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good people there in northern Indiana, Southern Michigan.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, the best people. Anyway, that's a beautiful family drama, Jack. So is this. Until it takes a dark turn. Stay tuned till right now. When Carmen Thomas was growing up in Boston, her mom told her that her absent dad's name was Joe Brown. So when she sent a saliva sample to 23andMe in her 20s and got a match with the Brown family, she was excited. Turned out the man she believed to be her father had passed away five years earlier. Jack, which Is too bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

But not the dark turn.

[Joe Getty]

Not yet. Stay tuned. But she connected with two likely half sisters. They went out for a boba tea, had a sleepover at their grandmother's. She looked through family albums and held a pillow with his photo printed on it. A year later, she was suing the Brown sisters and their mother. That's your dark turn for what? Thomas wanted a share of a milk multi million dollar medical malpractice award they had won after Joe Brown died of an aneurysm. After all, she was his daughter too. She said in a court complaint early last year.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, biologically, but that not anymore. Right. You're not legally the daughter of that person.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. 100% you are. Yeah. In many states, genetics determine who can claim, make a claim on inheritances in the absence of a will or trust.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

So you can, you can inherit from your biological father even if you never knew of them, knew their name. They didn't. They may not have known you. Your mom was even pregnant with you. That's, that's that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know what I think about that because I know something about the law around certain things around parenting. Like for instance, in California, you are not required to parent. It isn't. You don't have to. If you don't want to be a parent. You don't have to be a parent just because you had a kid. But then the law would be. But if you are rich, the kid gets the money.

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[Joe Getty]

It's worth pointing out parenting is the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Important part, not the biology.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah. Absolutely true. Yeah. And I'm not at all shocked that Cal Unicornia has such a bizarre law. Other states consider factors such as if there was a relationship with the deceased.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. There should have to be some sort.

[Joe Getty]

Of relationship, by the way, going back to this gold digging woman and the Brown family. As it turns out, she filed her suit too long after the guy died. So was a settlement that was very favorable for the Brown family.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know somebody personally who did that whole thing, found out they had a sister and now are in touch with them like well into their 40s. And they hang out. Right. And it turned out the sister lived in the same town. So they get together and yeah, there.

[Joe Getty]

Are a lot of beautiful stories connected to this sort of stuff too. Even if there is a will or trust, though, common phrases such as to my descendants or to my children can open the door for a surprise relative to make a claim. Affairs have been going on forever, but now they're getting discovered, said an estate planning lawyer. In D.C. with experience in this sort of thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Here's a story. In Utah, brother and sister fighting over their late father's estate when the brother reached out to a man he thought might be their half brother. Their DNA match. Hooray. The man's mother apparently had an affair with dad when she worked for him. But the old man didn't have a will, and the man argued his claim in part by noting that the dad had sent him birthday cards with a hundred dollars for years. And the Utah Supreme Court ruled the man was entitled to a third of the estate.

[Jack Armstrong]

See that one? I feel like you're sending a birthday card every year. Yeah, you. You're a little closer to being dad there. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

That makes it very, very complicated. We got a lot on the way. If you miss a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Every year, I look forward to going out and picking out some nice pieces of jewelry for all the women in my life, from my wife to my mother to even my aunts.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And with Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals, how can you go wrong?

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[Joe Getty]

High stakes talks in Florida. The Trump administration's top negotiators meeting with a Ukrainian delegation to discuss the peace plan being pushed by the president. But while both sides calling the talks positive, crucial sticking points remain. The Russians are not willing to agree to a ceasefire in any form, while Ukraine is unwilling to to concede territory.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that seems like a problem in terms of coming together on a peace deal. Let's hear the rest of Ian Panel's report on CBS News.

[Joe Getty]

And then we'll discuss the battle raging on Russia launching more devastating drone and missile attacks against Ukraine this weekend. At least four killed and dozens wounded in Kyiv, but Ukraine fighting back. Ukraine's intelligence service releasing dramatic video showing sea drones hitting two Russian tankers off Turkey's coast suspected of smuggling sanctioned Russian oil.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, they were trying to sneak some oil in because, you know, the world has tried to stop Russia from being able to benefit from any oil production. And a couple of tankers got blown up by Ukraine probably. Meanwhile, Russia continues to bomb Ukraine. This is in the midst of the peace talks, which Mark Halperin says is the closest we've come yet. I didn't follow this over the last week. I didn't follow anything closely over the last week. But when we went on vacation, it was announced by Trump, Ukraine needs to say yes to this or we're going to cut off all support. Then Marco Rubio came out. I know. A couple of days later I saw the headline and said, hey, that was not our peace plan. The Russians leaked that out, which I thought was confusing because then why did Trump say, you got to agree to it? Or.

[Joe Getty]

I think, like, the first term, there's a fair amount of Trump shoots off his mouth, and then his cabinet, his people have to, you know, clean up the mess.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, so they came up with a slightly different peace plan, which all depends on whether or not Putin has any interest in quitting. And nobody knows that or not. I don't exactly understand why he would. Outside of some sort of threat.

[Joe Getty]

I would be surprised if he would if he does.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seems like it seems like you need some sort of threat from the United States and. Or Europe that we're gonna really support Ukraine. If you don't agree to this one, and you're gonna be in a heck of a battle. But that is not what's happening. So, anyway, we'll follow that over the next couple of days. Some people on the text line unhappy with me for not getting more credit or not being more optimistic about the Trump economy based on the numbers that came out on Friday because they were way up, like 9% over the year before for Black Friday spending. And I went on about how, I don't know, some people spend their money at the beginning of the holiday season. Sometimes they spend it to the end, and it's kind of hard to predict where you end up, which is true. But I wasn't trying to downplay the Trump economy. Once again, quoting Mark Halpern from his newsletter today, he said this was the. This is the most confusing economy he's ever seen. I would agree. If. If it ends up. If the. If the Christmas season ends up being up nearly double digits like it was on Black Friday. What the hell, everybody? Why are you in record numbers telling pollsters that your own personal economy is worse than it was under Biden? I mean, those numbers are high. Right direction, wrong direction, setting records. I mean, we had all that stuff before we went on vacation. People are pessimistic as hell about the economy, yet went out and spent more money than the year before. Maybe. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Yeah. I need to see this play out, because I agree with Halpert. It's utterly bewildering. I would also say in this. You know, I shouldn't even respond to a couple of texts, but if you are still looking at everything that happens through a good for Trump or bad for Trump, used to praise Trump or used to attack Trump lens. Oh, man. My God. Smell the roses. Take a minute. Everything's. Everything's fine. Calm down, tg. The world does not revolve around Trump.

[Jack Armstrong]

TG touch grass. Okay, well, this is about Trump. I wanted to read this just because I think this is really interesting. This is from the Associated Press. I have no idea what's going on here. President Trump said yesterday that he would release the results of his MRI test that he received in October. Have you been following this story?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Jack Armstrong]

He got an mri. They admit that from the White House podium, but they have not released the results.

[Joe Getty]

Quoting Trump or even what he was getting MRI'd. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's where it gets interesting here.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Quoting Trump. If you want to have it released, I'll release it. The President said during an exchange with reporters as he traveled back to Washington from Florida over the weekend. He said the results of the MRI were perfect. But which is. We've all gotten results back from the doctors. That's the way they, that's the way they give you the news. It was perfect.

[Joe Getty]

Your ankle is one of the best ankles. Many people are saying your ankle is the best they've seen. Thank you, doctor.

[Jack Armstrong]

The White House has so far declined to detail why Trump had an MRI during his physical last month or on what part of his body. The press secretary, Caroline Levitt has said that the President received advanced imaging at Walter Reed National Military's medical center as part of his routine physical examination and that the results showed Trump remains an exceptional physical health. This is my favorite part. Trump added yesterday that he is. That he has no idea on what part of his body he got the mri. Wow. It was just an mri. He said what part of the body? It wasn't the brain because I took a cognitive test and I aced it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we remember. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That seems odd to me that he got an mri, but he has no idea what part of the body.

[Joe Getty]

Mr. President, now we have to do an MRI on stuff. What an odd story, I'd say, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

What do you think's going on there and who cares?

[Joe Getty]

Well, I mean. But no, he's an old fat man.

[Jack Armstrong]

I, you know, if he needed. If he had to get an mri, I think it'd be interesting to know on what. But the idea that he doesn't have any ideas. Well, that's a non starter in terms of my believability.

[Joe Getty]

Odd and hilarious. Yeah. But if, if indeed he said no, the results were fine, everything's great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. So they suspected maybe he had a spinal problem, but he didn't. Why would you. My who cares is who would care enough to withhold the information.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I see. I understand. Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Shoulder was kind of sore, so they did an mri. Who cares?

[Jack Armstrong]

My back was really hurting and they didn't MRI and I got nothing wrong with me. So I guess it's just, you know, age or I pulled something I shouldn't, lifted something heavy, whatever. But the, that's why the COVID up is always worse than the crime. The crime here being a minor medical problem. But to say I have no idea what, I got an mri. Come on now. Yeah, that's hilarious.

[Joe Getty]

That reminds me, one of the only tense moments at the the holiday table was there was a reference to pumpkin gate because one of my kids bows was assisting in the making of the pumpkin pie and was sloppy in ingredient adding. And my wife was not reticent to correct that mistake because it might have ruined the pie. And the ensuing tension, which lasted about three seconds, was referred to as pumpkin gate. Now, my youngest went on a rant about how stupid it was that everybody was calling. Everybody calls every controversy something gate.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

Since the Watergate Hotel was literally at the gate of the water and but then I, I stepped in and said, that's enough, we're done with this. Let's talk about the weather.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just to fill you in on this in case you pie was fine.

[Joe Getty]

It was a little cinnamon cinnamony, but it was fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

In case you didn't follow this. President Trump hosted the annual turkey pardon at the White House on Tuesday, one of the most ridiculous traditions that we have in the United States of America.

[Joe Getty]

He's soft on turkeys, saying they also.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was re pardoning last year's birds that only got an auto pen reprieve and saying he can and saying that he considered naming this year's gobblers Chuck and Nancy. Former President Joe Biden used an auto pen for last year's turkey pardons. The President said, calling them totally invalid. I now re pardon the turkey. It's known as peach and blossom from last year. They've been located. They were on their way to be processed, but I've stopped that journey and I'm officially partnering pardoning them. So he got in his auto pen shot on that, which is pretty fun.

[Joe Getty]

Also commuted the sentence of some Bernie Madoff style guy who ripped off thousands of people and emptied their life savings and ruined their lives. But, but for some reason he was a New York finance guy and Trump commuted his sentence.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, really? I didn't hear that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's, you know, unless there's more to it, it's completely indefensible.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Do we have to fit this in? Okay, we do. We have time. Yes, we do. We have time to fit this. So this is one thing I came across perusing the Internet while I was on vacation. This is Representative Tim Burchett of Tennessee or Kentucky, one of those states. He's a Republican and he came out of a committee hearing they were having about trying to come up with some rules around particularly House members and their investing. This has been a topic for a while as they sit in committee hearings, they get tips about which direction, you know, regulations are going or the law is going on this. And then they go out and invest accordingly and all become rich because they have information you don't have.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, hell, they're writing those laws, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

And he, he came out and said this during the holiday break so most people didn't hear it. I'm sorry. Clip 70.

[Joe Getty]

In three.

[Jack Armstrong]

Everybody talks about this place being a dadgum swamp. It's not a swamp. A swamp is something cool God created.

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[Jack Armstrong]

It filters water. Animal life lives and flourishes around it. This is a sweet sewer. This is created by man and it needs to stop.

[Joe Getty]

We've, you know, for years Congress has.

[Jack Armstrong]

Been using hard working American taxpayers money to get rich. Dad gum. It's got to stop. America knows what the heck's Going on. Everybody wants to knock Pelosi. Heck, she's not even in the top 10 get on that unusual well site. This is pathetic.

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[Joe Getty]

We all know what's going on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Congress knows what the hell's going on and it needs be to to stop. He goes on for several more minutes. One of the things that definitely caught my eye was or ear was him saying everybody wants to knock Nancy Pelosi Hicks. She's not even in the top 10, which is pretty interesting. And that's a republican saying that of people who are working the system and using the knowledge they have to get rich. And he talked about we got people in there who are making 600 trades a year based on information that they get from hearing and become rich. That's gotta stop.

[Joe Getty]

Number one, excellent swamp knowledge there, congressman. That was really good. And a swamp is different from a marsh as well. And we could talk about that someday. But my ear was caught by his reference to the unusual whales site.

[Jack Armstrong]

What did that mean?

[Joe Getty]

Your unfair advantage in the market. We're building tools to let retail traders uncover unusual trades that predict market moves before they make the headlines. So you see all of a sudden that's weird. Trucking stocks are going up and then three days later congress has passed a law deregulating trucking profits. But you see that move first and they alert you to it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I wish more people would call out their own. That's something that he claims. Nancy's not even in a top 10.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it leads me to believe that there's a fair number of republicans that are on that list. The fact that he wasn't naming any names.

[Joe Getty]

This is kind of an aside, but I was just reading how a lot of young service people, u. S. Service people are investing like crazy in this big bull market and doing crypto and all sorts of stuff. Doing the meme stocks and just regular investing. And they're like Porsches and. And Audis parked across military bases as these young soldiers are getting rich on the market.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Getty]

Isn't that crazy?

[Jack Armstrong]

I suppose we should check in again on what could become a giant controversy on whether or not secretary of war Pete hegseth ordered the murder of a couple of people clinging to a boat. That's the way it's being portrayed by detractors. If you don't know that story, we'll get to that. Among other things. Stay tuned.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Steffi]

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Black Friday is here, and Pandora Jewelry is offering up to 40% off storewide and sitewide now through December 2nd. Explore jewelry designed to last beyond the season. From classic charms to modern rings, bracelets, earrings and more. Whether you're holiday shopping or treating yourself, now's the perfect time to find something special.

[Jack Armstrong]

Every year I look forward to going out and picking out some nice pieces of jewelry. For all the women in my life, from my wife to my mother to.

[Joe Getty]

Even my aunts, everyone's getting something.

[Jack Armstrong]

And with Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals, how can you go wrong?

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I personally love to treat myself during the holiday season, so I definitely be taking Pandora up on this offer. [e-mail] or your local Pandora store. Exclusions apply Cyber Monday.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, it is a day when millions of people shop online.

[Jacob Goldstein]

So basically Monday.

[Joe Getty]

Everyone shops online.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seriously, I haven't been to a store since Avatar 1.

[Joe Getty]

Yep, Cyber Monday is a great way.

[Jack Armstrong]

To get ahead of your holiday shopping. And then every gas station gift card.

[Joe Getty]

Rack is like, we'll see you on the 24th.

[Jack Armstrong]

The gas station gift card rack, that is some low effort, right?

[Joe Getty]

Michael? Do we have any Christmas music handy? I love this. It's the most wonderful time of the year, especially in beautiful Portland, Oregon. The most wonderful Portland has sparked outrage after stripping its Christmas tree of its name, referring to it only as the tree during its lighting ceremony. As thousands gathered in Pioneer Courthouse Square, leaders and speakers avoided mentioning Christmas at any point at during the whole thing. The festive occasion was kicked off with a woman from the Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs thanking everyone in the crowd for coming out on Native American Heritage Day.

[Dude Wipes Announcer]

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[Joe Getty]

She introduced two younger members of the tribe who referred to the celebration only as the tree lighting before handing the microphone to a woman draped in a Palestinian flag who used her time on stage to lead the crowd in A Free Palestine Chance. This is the perfect time to bring this up. There are a lot of genocides going on, she said only moments into the Just a Tree Lighting ceremony.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm pretty sure this is not the perfect time to bring this up.

[Joe Getty]

She then led the crowd in the Strong Woman song performed along two young children and another woman, noting that it felt appropriate since we're representing our matriarchs up here.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, I go back and forth between wanting to just roll my eyes at that stuff, knock yourself out, and you gotta fight it at every turn because it's. It might grow right? Oh what? Geez, how happy does it make you to not call it a Christmas tree and have somebody chanting Free Palestine up there? Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

But the fact that not only was it okay to not make it about a Christmas tree, nobody uttered the word Christmas, but they did utter Native American Heritage Day and Free Palestine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Well, that's the whole playing to the minority thing. Just what the majority of people are there for to see the freaking Christmas tree lit up. You can't acknowledge what the majority of people like 99% of the people there for. You gotta talk about the other trodden upon people with the Free Palestine and Native American this and whatever.

[Joe Getty]

In defense of the completely insane and urine stained Rose City, they did trot out a Santa Claus who posed with families and had a sing along of holiday carols which included, interestingly, angels we have heard on high and the much more secular Deck the Halls.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's fantastic.

[Joe Getty]

Free, Free Palestine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait, how much time I got? Michael, if you keep eating like you did, not much.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, that's enough time. Maybe I can tell this story then. So we're at, we stay at Caesar's palace in Vegas on the drive out there and they in Caesar's palace they one of those memorabilia stores, really high end memorabilia store with signed pictures, stuff like that. Some an Abraham Lincoln's like $55,000 and just some really cool stuff in there. But the number one seller was a picture from Christmas vacation of cousin Eddie standing there with the beer in his hand and the robe on saying esser is full signed by Randy Quaid. Wow. And it's their number one seller and it's $3000 but special now half off, $1500. And I said to the guy, I said, I hope Randy Quaid's getting a, a cut of this. He said, oh, he's doing really well on this. So, and I thought about it. If he gets 200 bucks a signing out of the 1500 and signs a thousand in a day. He made $200,000.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean that'd be, that would add up pretty fast.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not paying 3k for it. I'm not even paying 1500 for it. But that's pretty funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, it's pretty funny. They're number one seller. If you missed a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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