I Am So Uncomfortable With Gushing

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – “I Am So Uncomfortable With Gushing”

Date: October 7, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty tackle a whirlwind of current events and cultural debates. The show weaves through the latest developments in the Middle East, the polarized climate on college campuses, rising antisemitism in Europe, the American response to unrest in major cities, the lasting cultural power of Taylor Swift, and thoughts on the decline of live music. Their trademark mix of wry humor, cynicism, and candid skepticism runs through every segment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Middle East Peace Talks: Trump’s Involvement & Media Spin

• Segment Start: [02:51]
• Joe highlights what he sees as an abrupt shift in mainstream narrative around President Trump’s engagement in brokering a new Israel-Hamas deal, noting an uncharacteristically positive tone among commentators.
• Jack expresses skepticism that parties like Hamas are negotiating in good faith, or that a real two-state solution is imminent.
• Joe Getty ([03:39]):

  “I continue to be amazed at the mainstream coverage's fawning over this deal that Trump has put together … as opposed to, you know, being his lackey or something, which used to be the narrative.”

• Jack sarcastically requests a list of Islamist militant groups that have actually surrendered, implying the futility of expecting Hamas to do so ([04:54]).
• Discussion broadens into the challenges Israel faces even if top Hamas leaders capitulate while fighters on the ground refuse.

2. Campus Protests & The Rhetoric of "Decolonial Struggle"

• Segment Start: [05:25]
• The hosts delve into reports of nationwide pro-Hamas protests on the anniversary of October 7th. Columbia University, UCLA, and others see heated actions.
• Jack critiques the logic of land acknowledgements and the “decolonial struggle” framing, emphasizing the inescapable history of conquest and violence by all groups.
• Jack Armstrong ([07:10]):

  “What happened briefly in 1948… that must be permanent for all time? That doesn't stand up to the slightest, you know, questioning.”

• Joe notes the disconnect between protest rhetoric and Hamas’s own explicit goals:

  “It would be a lot easier to buy that argument if Hamas themselves didn't openly state, no, we want Israel to go away. We want all Jews to die.” ([06:23])

• The segment also covers polling among Israelis, media framing, and the persistence of hostage-related preconditions.

3. Rising Antisemitism in Europe & The “Optimist/Pessimist” Paradox

• Segment Start: [09:25]
• The conversation shifts to a Wall Street Journal editorial about growing antisemitism in Britain and France. A dry joke is cited: the “optimists died in the gas chambers, the pessimists have pools in Beverly Hills.”
• Jack Armstrong ([10:19]):

  “For their sake, I hope there aren't many optimistic Jews left in Europe. Their thinning ranks will surely have been reduced farther by last week's murder of a man at the synagogue in Manchester, England.”

• They criticize European elites’ embrace of a “self-annihilating multicultural nation building” policy, and draw parallels to American debates on assimilation and tolerance.
• Joe and Jack discuss the tendency of institutions to prioritize not “fueling racism” over confronting serious crimes, referencing Britain’s grooming gang scandals.
• Jack ([11:52]):

  “This atrocity indicts the self annihilating, multicultural nation building they have pursued for decades.”

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4. Taylor Swift: Pop Phenomenon, Culture Wars, and “Gushing”

• Segment Start: [19:49]
• Following a clip from Taylor Swift’s appearance on Fallon, Jack admits to unease at “gushing” media coverage, preferring a level-headed view.
• Jack ([20:56]):

  “I'm so uncomfortable with gushing. Yeah. Just in general.”

• The show lampoons efforts by online critics to find Swift’s new album offensive, citing absurd claims of racism, homophobia, and even “secret conservative dog whistles.”
• Joe ([22:43]):

  “I love the fact that these people are exposing themselves for the lunatics that they are. It's actually kind of helpful to... the sane part of America.”

• Discussion touches on political litmus tests in friendships and the cultural expectation to “disavow” those with differing views.
• Joe ([23:20]):

  “You're supposed to disavow friends who have different views... Unfortunately it is, you know, had effects on my life.”

5. Urban Unrest & The Insurrection Act Debate

• Segment Start: [27:29]
• The hosts address unrest in Portland and Chicago, speculation about Trump invoking the Insurrection Act, and the complex optics of “troops versus unrest.”
• Joe and Jack point out that while Trump is often accused of lawlessness, he has generally followed legal boundaries when ordered to by courts.
• Joe Getty ([29:10]):

  “All this talk about all the things Trump might do... so far he hasn't broken the law. And anytime a judge steps in and tells him he can't do anything, then he doesn't do it until a different judge rules.”

• They emphasize the power of political rhetoric and threats as negotiating tools.
• Jack ([30:53]):

  “Ultimately, when people see violence against cops and vandalism...they really dislike it. So I just, I just think the JB Pritzkers of the world are putting way too much confidence in... the online world, as always.”

6. Antifa, Protest Journalists, & Portland’s Radicalism

• Segment Start: [33:16]
• A segment features audio from journalist Nick Sorter and commentary on the dangerous dynamics he faces from Antifa in Portland.
• Jack explains the “decision dilemma” tactic—provoking conflict so as to claim victimhood.
• Jack Armstrong ([35:54]):

  “They put you... in what Saul Alinsky called the decision dilemma... They intentionally provoke you so they can assault you. I abhor political violence. But... if somebody stages that sort of like second-degree assault against you, I would like to put them in a stitches dilemma.”

• The hosts argue that when polite society refuses to defend order, the public will embrace anyone who promises it, even if “unsavory.”
• Joe ([37:46]):

  “People like law and order… if it’s not safe for your kid to walk down the street… you’ll put up with a lot of authoritarianism for that to go away.”

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7. Concerts, Nostalgia, and Disappointing Experiences

• Segment Start: [45:07]
• Jack shares his growing disappointment with aging musical acts and stadium concerts, preferring to remember bands at their peak.
• Several listener anecdotes blend into a discussion about why younger, passionate openers often outperform legacy headliners.
• Joe ([48:07]):

  “I've seen Bob Dylan twice. Was a complete waste of money and time. I wish I had done something else that night, even if I had just rearranged my sock drawer.”

• Both hosts wax poetic on the complexities of jazz and progressive rock drumming.

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Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong ([10:19]):

  “For their sake, I hope there aren't many optimistic Jews left in Europe. Their thinning ranks will surely have been reduced farther by last week's murder of a man at the synagogue in Manchester, England.”

• Joe Getty ([33:36]):

  “You're no longer allowed to walk down the sidewalk in Portland or else you're gonna get jumped and pushed and, and shoved and assaulted here.”

• Jack Armstrong ([35:54]):

  “They intentionally provoke you so that they can assault you... I would like to put them in a stitches dilemma.”

• Joe Getty ([48:07]):

  “I've seen Bob Dylan twice. Was a complete waste of money and time. I wish I had done something else that night, even if I had just rearranged my sock drawer.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Middle East Peace Talks / Trump Media Spin: [02:51]–[09:25]
• Campus Protests / Decolonial Struggle: [05:25]–[09:25]
• Antisemitism in Europe: [09:25]–[15:32]
• Taylor Swift, Phenomenons, and Culture Wars: [19:49]–[23:48]
• Insurrection Act, Urban Unrest, Law & Order: [27:29]–[33:16]
• Antifa & Portland Journalism: [33:16]–[39:40]
• Concert Disappointments & Musical Observations: [45:07]–[49:26]

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Memorable Moments & Tone

• The hosts mix dry sarcasm with genuine concern, especially on global and political topics.
• Frequent jokes about “gushing” over celebrities highlight their aversion to media hysteria.
• They mock both right and left ideological extremes—satirizing “coexist” slogans, “dog whistle” accusations, and the Antifa “decision dilemma”.
• Personal touches (live music woes, anecdotes about friends and family) keep the show grounded in real experience.

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Final Thoughts

This episode showcases Armstrong & Getty’s blend of pointed political skepticism, social commentary, and good-natured grumpiness. Regular listeners will find plenty of familiar riffs, while new audiences get a crash course in the show’s wry but deeply concerned take on a world that often, in their view, seems to have lost its mind.

Transcript

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at The George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. President Trump applying real pressure on Prime Minister Netanyahu to agree to this deal. And it really does feel like a potentially game changing moment. You've got these indirect talks now underway in Egypt. Egypt. Phase one, the President hopes could be agreed as early as this week, would mean a cease fire, the release of hostages and some Palestinian prisoners, and a partial withdrawal of Israeli troops. The key sticking point is going to be phase two, which calls for Hamas to disarm and relinquish power. But I think what's really different this time is President Trump's personal engagement forcing both sides to end this war.

[Joe Getty]

I wanted to play that because I continue to be amazed at the mainstream coverage's fawning over this deal that Trump has put together and having positive noises about it and presenting it as Trump putting a lot of pressure on Netanyahu and that sort of stuff, as opposed to, you know, being his lackey or something, which used to be the narrative. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I know this does not describe you, but I get a feel from a lot of the media coverage of this that they still have some level of belief that Hamas is negotiating in good faith, that they think Hamas can be reasoned with, that they just have some political gripes with Israel and soon we can have a two state solution.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I was watching David Ignatius of the Washington Post, who's one of your biggest writers about this sort of thing, talk about how people need to recognize Hamas recognizes this is basically the negotiation of their surrender. That's what it is. And. Because that is what it is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Yeah. It's refreshing to hear it stated that plainly.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's. It's either you, you agree to everything that is everything we want, pretty much, and nothing that you want, or we're going to kill you all. Which would you prefer?

[Jack Armstrong]

If somebody could take a minute, maybe Katie could do this. Get me the list of Islamist suicide death cult dead enders who have ever surrendered. I would love to see that list. It will be very, very brief. Don't bother, Katie. That was sarcasm, right?

[Joe Getty]

Well, the possibility is that the people at the top who have a tendency to live in high rise hotels and drive Mercedes might agree to some sort of surrender because they weren't actually out in the street fighting anyway. And the soldiers on the bottom won't. But then Israel's gonna hunt them down one by one and kill them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right. So different angle. Free Beacon reporting that pro Hamas student groups are planning nationwide protests today to celebrate the October 7th anniversary or the beginning of what they describe as the decolonial struggle. And they, they observe actually that anti Israel group starting this semester with a bit of a whimper because the universities are afraid of. But today could be a turning point. For instance, UCLA divest in the school's Students for Justice in Palestine chapter, banned from a lot of campuses because they're pro terrorist. Hundred percent announced their protest by describing Hamas's massacre as Palestinians righteously engaged in decolonial struggle. They also included a poem honoring the martyrs. The protest will involve a floral procession in honor and to remember the lives stolen by the Zionist state. The group urges attendees to wear masks.

[Joe Getty]

It would be a lot easier to buy that argument if Hamas themselves didn't openly state, no, we want Israel to go away. We want all Jews to die. We're not looking for some sort of two state solution here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and as usual, the philosophy is so incredibly half baked that if you poke at it at all, it falls apart, as our friend and colleague Tim Sandifer has in these stupid land declarations. In the United States, yes, it was the Chumash tribe. Before them, it was another tribe who, you know, the next tribe just slaughtered the hell out of and raped their women and took their babies in a straight line.

[Joe Getty]

And you know why?

[Jack Armstrong]

Pardon me?

[Joe Getty]

Because. You know why? Because they wanted their land. So they took it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, so they took it. And another group did that before and before. And before. Look, you want to go back to King David in, in Israel, that not far enough. All right, let's go back to Abraham, for God's sake. I mean, what is this? Oh, what happened briefly in 1948 as the Brits were meddling post World War I and World War II. That must be permanent for all time. I don't even. That doesn't stand up to the slightest, you know, questioning. Anyway, in the University of Michigan, you got these students allied for freedom and equality protesting against two years of genocide and the university's refusal to divest from the genocidal apartheid state. That's hilarious. Yeah, Talk to me about the rights of Jews and Christians in Islamic states. Their kids, children, let's see. Blah, blah, blah. Columbia University's got a big one. Of course they do. The flyer for Columbia's big demonstration included a red upside down triangle, a symbol Hamas uses to denote Israeli targets. And text reading, strike, march, resist. All sorts of stuff going on in New York City, Pennsylvania, Yale, George Mason University, George Washington University, Stanford. Planning a week of action in response to two years of genocide and Zionist terror, et cetera, et cetera. So there's a poll.

[Joe Getty]

There's a poll out today that's getting a tremendous amount of attention by people who want this poll to be true, that about two thirds of Israelis want the war to end pretty much no matter what. And also about two thirds of Israelis want Netanyahu to resign. I don't know how accurate that issue poll is from that particular Israeli newspaper, but that's the poll that's making it into our mainstream media today.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'd have to see the specific questioning. I'm not shocked about Netanyahu. I mean, he's a controversial figure, always has been for a long time. And. But every time you see the end of the war, polled among the Israelis, it includes. And all the hostages returned, and they say yes, then the mainstream media conveniently leaves out the fact that Hamas will not do that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that's.

[Joe Getty]

What are we going to happen?

[Jack Armstrong]

So all of that is kind of a lead up to the greater question to me. And I was surprised and pleased to see Gerard Baker, who's one of the senior statesmen of the editorial writers for the Wall Street Journal, with a piece today, and he calls it perilous times for optimistic Jews in the UK and we've talked about this, the UK and France, Jews all over Europe are thinking we're going to have to leave and go to America because we're being hounded out. And he opens with a famous, very dry joke by Billy Wilder, who is a Jewish. The optimists died in the gas chambers. The pessimists have pools in Beverly Hills, meaning those who recognize the menace and thought, this is going to go badly fled Europe. And those who thought, no, no, no, our neighbors would never turn on us ended up in the gas chambers.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Gerard writes, for their sake, I hope there aren't many optimistic Jews left in Europe. Their thinning ranks will surely have been reduced farther by last week's murder of a man at the synagogue in Manchester, England, which we talked about in the death of another. Well, right.

[Joe Getty]

Which, that story, in case you didn't hear the very brief version of it, this reporter, who's Jewish, was in the synagogue that morning and a guy next to him said, how long you think we've got left in Great Britain where we can even live here? And the reporter thought, well, that's a little more cynical than I am. Then 20 minutes later they get the word, there's been a stabbing at a different synagogue and everything got shut down.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Right. And Baker mentions pessimists will have listened to the rote denunciations from political leaders and media figures. The minute silence for the victims at weekend soccer games, the official affirmations that Britain is a peaceful, tolerant, multicultural nation, blah, blah, blah. Maybe in a pool and. Okay, I'll skip that part. He mentions the blame for the violence in Manchester lies with the assailant who was an immigrant from Syria. The responsibility for the circumstances in which two Jews are dead in a Jewish community that has contributed loyally to British society for centuries. Fears for existence. The responsibility for that lies with the leaders of the British establishment. This atrocity indicates the self annihilating, multicultural nation building they have pursued for decades. Now that is some strong talk for one of the deans of editorial writing at the Wall Street Journal.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's pretty good.

[Jack Armstrong]

This atrocity indicts the self annihilating, multicultural nation building they have pursued for decades. For a generation or more, leaders in governmental and cultural institutions have built and fortified the idea that Britain, along with the other countries in Europe, is a kind of open door society in which people from diverse cultures, with no desire or willingness to abide by the host nation's civilizational norms, should be free to live by their own rules. Elite opinion holds that it is immoral and often illegal to try to force people to conform to Western rules and norms. As Lenin had his useful idiots among the capitalist classes, waves of radical enemies of the West's values seized the opportunity supplied by these helpfully welcoming elites to create the conditions to destroy them. Radical Islamists were the most numerous. Given the geographic realities in Europe, they were also the boldest in their ambitions. The authorities, cowed by the cultural injunction that it was racist not to tolerate alternative mores and practices and anxious not to be accused of stock stoking Islamophobia, stood back while grotesque abuses proliferated. One more bit.

[Joe Getty]

Did they have it over there in Europe, the coexist stickers? Or is that only an American thing? That have the Star of David on there and a cross and then the Islamic symbol?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Yeah. If they didn't, they should because they're closer to suicide than us. But. And another notable few sentences in mainstream media. And this, by the way, I hate to depart from the text because it's so good, but there are a couple of examples right now where people are calling out that young man who went to murder Brett Kavanaugh and the fact that all the mainstream medias or media are calling it a woman now because he declared I'm a girl. Now and a lot of mainstream publications, including the Journal are saying, no, we're through with that madness. It's a man. Was a young man who did it. He's still a man. Stop it.

[Joe Getty]

Really?

[Jack Armstrong]

So the whole ultra progressive on the front bullying everybody into complying with their, their neo Marxist lunacy, that's, that's over. At least for now anyway. Back to Gerard Baker, because this is important. In the most notorious of the crimes of multiculturalism, thousands of girls, thousands friends, mostly white and vulnerable, were raped and abused by so called grooming gangs of men in mostly South Asian heritage starting in the 1990s, specifically Pakistanis. For years the local authorities declined to investigate, the police declined to pursue and the media. Media declined to report on the systematic abuse out of fear that it would fuel racism if the ethnicity of the abusers was revealed. Not until Andrew Norfolk, a brave reporter from the Times exposed the scale of the abuse and the COVID up. Beginning in 2010 was action taken. The response to repeated terrorist attacks. And he goes through the list, some of which killed many, many people by the media and politicians on both sides often focused as much on warning against Islamophobia as on defending against Islamist violence. Finally people say, you know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna speak truth. Oh, you're offended. Sorry. It's true. I'm saying it.

[Joe Getty]

Man. This story isn't over.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no.

[Joe Getty]

And we got. I'm glad the period works in France and England to watch for our cities.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Well, and there's a big story about a bunch of Democrats going to Arab Fest in Dearborn, Michigan saying up with Hamas to get the votes of the Muslim majorities there. Yeah. This story is far from over.

[Joe Getty]

So Michael, I want to play the clip when you come back. You say when Fallon introduced t swizzle on the Tonight show last night, the crowd erupted. Yeah, yeah. I'm interested in phenomenons. I've always been interested in phenomenons. Maybe it's because I want us to be and trying to figure out how to become one. But anyway, we got a lot of news on the way too. Stay here.

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Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Please welcome the one, the only, Taylor Swift. Come on.

[Joe Getty]

We love you too much. We love you too much. Wow. That is something. So why. I think it's kind of interesting that our first after Giant album comes out. Her first show is the least controversial one. Jimmy Fallon. That's probably not a mistake. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

She don't want to go on Kimmel. Look like you're supporting him or Colbert. I think you want to stay out of it probably. Anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Everything she does is brilliantly calculated. So I'm sure there's some thinking about that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And we got, I don't know, the ABC News report from last night that I saw. She's the first person ever to have a number one album and number one movie or something like that happened over the weekend. I'm not exactly sure what that means.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm so uncomfortable with gushing. Yeah. Just in general.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

It.

[Joe Getty]

It makes me uncomfortable too.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, him just gushing like she's a goddess. An incredibly capable professional. Which is great.

[Joe Getty]

Well, she's a.

[Jack Armstrong]

And people love her music.

[Joe Getty]

She's a cultural phenomenon, no doubt, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

I. I don't feel the need to gush. Is Taylor Swift's album full of white supremacy and homophobia?

[Jack Armstrong]

I assume so. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

No, I read this article yesterday. I've listened to the entire album.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what a funnier joke would have been? I certainly hope so. Good Lord, who is asking that question?

[Joe Getty]

That's the only reason I bought it. So her new album, the Life of a Showgirl, three days old and the Woke are tearing it apart, finding offensive lyrics everywhere.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Online, social media critics and influencers of Swift have decided the new album is rife with racism and homophobia as well as secret messages of support for the patriarchy, eugenics and Donald Trump. Even though she openly voted for Kamala Harris. Forensic investigations have uncovered dog whistles of all these things, but only they're, they're very, they're very subtle. Yeah, I'd say this. The examples they gave all. None of them make any sense to me whatsoever. Like she's got a song Ophelia, which is the female character from Hamlet. And it's basically if. If Ophelia hadn't killed herself and had a happy ending. And I guess the critique there is oh, everybody could be happy if they could marry the quarterback. Whatever. Whatever that means.

[Jack Armstrong]

I love the fact that these people are exposing themselves for the lunatics that they are. It's actually kind of helpful to. For the sane part of America.

[Joe Getty]

I like this from some influencer has got like a million followers for whatever reason that Taylor Swift was friends with Brittany Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes wife.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Even though Swift endorsed. Endorsed Kamala Harris but didn't disavow her friend. So it's probably a secret conservative. I like the fact that you're supposed to disavow your friends in the modern world if they vote for someone else. If you don't disavow them, well, then you're as bad as they are.

[Jack Armstrong]

That probably makes sense to those people.

[Joe Getty]

And I know it does. I guarantee you it does. Because I know people specifically like that. Unfortunately it is, you know, had effects on my life. I know people like that. You're supposed to disavow friends who have different views.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm going to start tweeting. You know, it'd be cool if I could get my dog's attention without people noticing. I'm going to start doing dog whistles.

[Joe Getty]

I think that was a dog whistle.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dog whistles blow their minds.

[Joe Getty]

That's a good one.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Portland's been on fire for years.

[Joe Getty]

I think that's all insurrection. I really think that's really criminal insurrection. The word insurrection not chosen at random or by accident by Donald Trump as explained here by Jackie Heinrich on Fox.

[Announcer]

President Trump not ruling out invoking the.

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Insurrection act, which would allow National Guard.

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Troops to carry out domestic law enforcement activities, even against the wishes of local authorities.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'd do it if it was necessary.

[Jack Armstrong]

So far it hasn't been necessary. Right now, Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker suing.

[Announcer]

To stop the Guard from deploying to.

[WNBA Ad Voice]

Chicago under more narrow orders of protecting.

[Announcer]

Federal property, which doesn't require the Insurrection Act. But the war of words is escalating, Pritzker painting the troops as an unconstitutional invasion and accusing the administration of inciting violence.

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They say they need to respond to.

[Joe Getty]

This escalation of violence is targeted and intentional and premeditated.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why?

[Joe Getty]

To create the pretext for invoking the Insurrection act so that he can send military troops to our city. So this is all pretty interesting. A couple of my favorite pundits, Charles C. Cook, National Review, and Sarah Isger of the Dispatch, have both been pointing out that all this talk about all the things Trump might do or is hinted at or whatever, so far he hasn't broken the law. And anytime a judge steps in and tells him he can't do anything, then he doesn't do it until a different judge rules. I mean, he's followed the law so far, but it's presented by a lot of his opponents as he's just wildly out of control. Mostly he threatens things, doesn't do them right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've heard the term lawless specifically used multiple times.

[Joe Getty]

Right. But so far he has not been. And I thought Mark Halperin's analysis of this current insurrection thing was really interesting today. Trump's remarks on the Insurrection act are deliberately calibrated to project authority without committing to specific actions. By keeping the option on the table, he maximizes pressure on governors and local officials while maintaining room to maneuver. This is less about immediate deployment and more about establishing deterrence and shaping the political environment around domestic unrest. And, as always, stoking tds Trump derangement Syndrome because you can get people to overreact so much. What will probably happen next is the administration is unlikely to trigger the Insurrection act, but the possibility itself becomes a tool of negotiation. Expect governors, legal experts and civil society groups to increase public resistance, which could in turn lead to Trump to escalate his rhetoric. The ambiguity serves Trump's interest by keeping both allies and opponents uncertain. Gets everybody all riled up. Sometimes they do things that allows him to send in the National Guard or whatever. Yeah, that's. You're overreacting. What? I mean, if I was an opponent of Trump, I'm not, but if I was an opponent of Trump in one of these cities or states, I would just ignore him instead of.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Although it doesn't help their electoral prospects to do that. I don't think you're talking about effective leadership. You're right, but I don't think Spitzker doesn't give a damn about anything but the White House.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think ultimately it's going to help their political prospects the way they're doing it now. Their side is going to start doing like in Portland, start rioting and fighting cops. Most people don't like that. Of all political stripes don't like that sort of unrest. They just don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Yeah. I just think that's, that's an interesting point. And I agree. I think the J.B. pritzkers of the world, like Lunkhead Gavin Newsom and some of the other people involved here, the Communists of Portland, whatever, they really overread the issues polling that's been done by the Bigfoot media that says most Americans are against deploying of the National Guard to this city, that city, for this purpose. That purpose. But as we know about issues polling, it's super easy to manipulate the results by just tweaking the wording a little bit. And it's absolutely true what you said. Ultimately, when people see violence against cops and, and vandalism and, and, and angry, masked people, you know, doing what antifa does, they really dislike it. So I just, I just think the JB Pritzkers of the world are putting way too much confidence in, in the polling in the online world, as always. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Remember when Mayor in Los Angeles Karen Bass finally was welcoming of the National Guard troops because that is the way public opinion. Public opinion is I don't really like the idea of troops on my streets, but I really, really, really, really don't like the idea of unrest on my streets.

[Jack Armstrong]

That one including just day to day crime.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that one beats out the troops on my street if it comes to that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

If I have to choose between the two, I end up with the troops as opposed to the unrest.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a great example or illustration of how hard this fight's gonna be. It'll never end, I suppose to, to like have lessons become learned. Like the experience in Washington D.C. there was your, your test case. Trump sent in the troops, everybody yelled and screamed, oh, it's a dictatorship, military dictatorship. Oh, I kind of like that. I'm not afraid anymore. And all the crime has dropped. And look, the state, the National Guards people are really courteous and they smile at you and everything's really perfectly fine and nobody's really a dictatorship at all. But then you gotta relearn that in Chicago and Portland and whatever else. The same screeches that we heard re Washington D.C. now are going on in Chicago. It's just, for God's sake, you just get tired of it.

[Joe Getty]

So in a different town with unrest, Portland, you got this guy, Nick Sorter, he's a journalist and he likes getting close to Antifa. They, they react and then he gets to report on it and you know, style. Yeah, Andy, no style. And here's a little of that. He was on Hannity last night.

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No, unfortunately I'm going.

[Jack Armstrong]

Don't touch me.

[Joe Getty]

Get out of the way.

[Public Rec Ad Voice]

Get out of the way. This is a sidewalk. Get out of the way. You're no longer allowed to walk down the sidewalk in Portland or else you're gonna get jumped and pushed and, and shoved and assaulted here. And we got the, we're live right, we got. Okay, so, so now we're going to get assaulted.

[Joe Getty]

You're going to be pushed. You're going to be so, so that's a heck of a journalistic gig. I'm too old and, or soft to do the whole, you know what? Sidewalks are for the public. Antifa's on the sidewalk, says I can't walk down him, I can walk down him and I'm gonna walk down him and get the crap beaten out of me on camera so I can go on handed in show that Antifa is, you know, doing something illegal, which they are. But I don't know if I'm willing to get whacked in the head over.

[Jack Armstrong]

It before we get back to Nick because the next clip is something Else you've got to understand what they do. People like this, do they put you or Nick in what they what? What's this Saul Alinsky called the decision dilemma? Where they put a hand right in your face, an inch away from your face, threatening you, or like Nick, they don't permit you to walk down a sidewalk and she stands in your way, and if you contact her, they all scream, you touched her, you assaulted her. You're the violent one. And then they attack you, or film it and put it on video or something it's called, it's straight out of the rules for radicals. It's called a decision dilemma. I abhor political violence. I actually do. On the other hand, if somebody stages that sort of like second degree assault against you, meaning intentionally provoking you so that they can assault you, I would like to put them in a stitches dilemma.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just on an individual basis.

[Joe Getty]

Here's this same reporter talking about trying to walk down the sidewalk in Portland.

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It's so hostile. People are very, very aggressive. Just, just my very existence pisses off a lot of these antifa militants. And in both cases you saw, I was on the sidewalk, right? In the first case, when I ended up being arrested, after I was punched, they broke my camera and then threw me in a hole. I was on the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street. So apparently on this street there was just. You're not allowed to use the sidewalk unless you're a leftist militant like that. That is the takeaway from this at this point. And in the incident yesterday, I asked the police officer that was standing there, can I use this sidewalk? They won't let me use the other one. Can I use this one? And I did. I tried to go through there. And of course you saw how that ended up.

[Joe Getty]

They put me in a hole. That's all good. But he, he goes on, listen to this.

[Public Rec Ad Voice]

I've gotten it on video multiple times now of people with different people coming up to me saying things like, oh, well, you know, if you come around again, you're gonna end up being Charlie Kirked. I mean, these people celebrate violence. And you know, because they walk up and say, I'm a Nazi, they call everybody on the right a Nazi. Right. And that alone, if people genuinely believe that somebody is a Nazi, they have no problem with committing violence against them. It's been like this for the longest time where the residents next door to this ICE facility out here are misera because they're stuck in a lease and they can't sleep at night because people are screaming in the megaphones at 3 o' clock in the morning. I mean, it's not fair. And they're afraid to speak out because if they do speak out, they're going to end up being attacked too sane.

[Jack Armstrong]

America has had enough of insane America and is finally pushing back on some fronts in Portland. Good luck. Those poor people who live there. Portlandia scrambling. It really is.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. In general, I mean, this is how actual bad guys end up in charge of lots of countries, dictators or whatever. People like law and order. They just do there. When it comes down to it, if it's not safe for your kid to walk down the street or you, or you to walk down the street, you'll put up with a lot of authoritarianism for that to go away. That's just a fact. And so people seeing the most people, you see the unrest on the streets in these cities, they're going to lean toward law and order and whoever's behind trying to straighten it out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And you know, as we've observed many times, if polite society refuses to do what's right, like you know, the, the immigration thing in Britain or Germany for that matter, for the longest time the so called mainstream said, no, you're not allowed to talk about that. You're not allowed to talk about it. And so the normal people of those countries embraced the people who were willing to talk about it, some of whom are a little unsavory by my standards. But you've got to have somebody standing up for you. And if the authorities, quote, unquote won't do it, you're going to look for somebody to do it it and heads are going to get bashed. It's absolutely unavoidable.

[Joe Getty]

Why wouldn't Antifa just move out of the way and let him walk through? And then he'd have nothing to say and nothing to film.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, they're, they're militant youngsters on, on multiple drugs. I mean they're, they're, they're committed Marxists, but they're also angry young radicals who just want to tear down, you know, the system as they see it, it again I'm, they want violence, they want chaos. They, they, they, that's why they got up in the morning, just to have some chaos.

[Joe Getty]

I would, I would, if I had to do it, I'd put on a helmet. I would kind of hunch over and like running through a cold sprinkler. Okay, here I go. Then the beating start as I try to go down the sidewalk. I'm not cut out for that work.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, I'm glad he is.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

The, the whole complicity of silence among the mainstream media with repeating of the idiocy and TIFA doesn't really exist as an organization. It's, it's not a thing to be worried about or whatever because they kind of secretly agree with a lot of the stuff and it's all gonna end badly.

[Joe Getty]

Apparently the elephants have had it with us. I don't know if you've seen the elephant rampage video that's making the rounds. Full team coverage of that story, among other things. We've got on the way some interesting economic news, as always on where things are headed as we get closer to Christmas season. I heard how many days it is till Christmas the other day and it did put a shock down my spine or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or a shiver up your leg, something like that.

[Joe Getty]

Are the, are the, are the tariff prices going to hit just in time for Christmas? Speculation around that. Anyway, a lot of things on the way stick here.

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Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Joe and I were just discussing that final play of Monday Night Football last night or the final winning play. Trevor Lawrence falling down twice the quarterback for the Jaguars running it in to beat the Chiefs, they are. Jaguars are 4 and 1. Yeah. So they're one of your best teams in the league.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. So it's funny, yesterday I was talking about my wife and I went to a rock and roll show over the weekend and. And it was okay, but just the sound wasn't good. And we've been disappointed several times in a row now. Going to see some of our favorite musical acts through the years as they're, you know, getting older and. And different venues and stuff like that. We thought we got to stop doing it because we keep getting disappointed. I want to remember them when they were great and we got an email.

[Joe Getty]

Typically, because you think they're past their prime, these people you've gone to see.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or just going through the motions.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, they don't care. There's that, too, because I've had that experience.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, I wouldn't even. I wouldn't even say it that strongly. It's just. It's like a shadow of what they used to be able to do.

[Joe Getty]

Didn't you see the Rolling Stones once and it seemed like nobody cares?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no. Actually, the thing about. Well, yeah, well, that's it. It's a long answer. The thing about the Rolling Stones is that Mick Jagger is 100% committed to entertaining the audience every show. He sees that as his job. Whereas a lot of my favorite bands see their job is getting up and playing our songs. And it used to be with wild abandon and passion. And now it's. The contract says we got to play for an hour 20 and goodbye, have a good night anyway. And. And. And one of our beloved listeners said, hey, I think I was at the same show, Paul McCartney in Las Vegas. Right, same thing. And I was like, no, actually, it wasn't at all. But that's interesting. And he said he'd never go to another stadium show. And I've gotten a bunch of emails and texts and questions. My. My musical heroes, Rush, are reuniting to the shock of fans, without one third of the band, Neil Peart, who died several years ago, brain cancer, and it was thought they would never, ever play again because he was irreplaceable. But they're going to, and people are going, are you going to go to the shows after what you said? And blah, blah, blah. The answer is probably maybe because a friend of mine is super excited about going to see him in Toronto. And that sounds like a lot of fun to me. So I don't know. They're actually playing with a brilliant, brilliant drummer who is a German woman, a chick that's right. And a cutie, too.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know about chick drummers.

[Jack Armstrong]

You will play in the correct time signature or there will be consequences. Yeah. So that's interesting. You know. To each their own. I know. The Eagles still, musically.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it's really fantastic. It was fantastic. Joe Walsh was on fire.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And the problem with the McCartney show, according to our beloved listener, was that it was just stadium sound. Stadium sound is terrible. You just. To each their own. If you still like going to those shows and they're fun for you because you can say you saw them and then you're getting something out of.

[Joe Getty]

I get nothing out of that. I understand that the. I can say I saw them. I get nothing out of that. Either enjoy the musical experience or I don't. I've seen Bob Dylan twice. Was a complete waste of money and time. I wish I had done something else that night, even if I had just rearranged my sock drawer. Complete waste of time. I get no benefit out of saying I've seen Bob Dylan. I've been in the same room as Bob Dylan. Gives me no joy. It was worthless.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I don't. I don't know. I've had a couple of experiences lately seeing bands I've never heard of open for the band I was there to see. And they were young and passionate and had some good songs, and it was really, really good.

[Joe Getty]

Here's.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they made the headliners look bad.

[Joe Getty]

Here's a musical note. I was watching a jazz band the other day. I live in a college town. So this is the sort of thing that happens now and then where it's just a fantastic jazz band playing somewhere. But anyway, I was watching that. The one thing I could never do musically, no matter how hard I try, is be a jazz drummer. How do those people do that? I don't even know what they're. What they're doing there, how they stay with the beat or whatever. That's the most amazing thing in all of music. Jazz drummers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Practice, practice. But Prague Rock is a lot like that.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, really?

[Jack Armstrong]

17 different time signatures.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. The way their brains work.

[Jack Armstrong]

Work.

[Joe Getty]

Pam Bondi being grilled. There's some interesting stuff that's come out of that already and other stuff in hour three. I hope you can get it. If you don't get the podcast.

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Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

This is an I Heart Podcast.