I Can't Believe You Still Want A Pony So Bad

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode: “I Can't Believe You Still Want A Pony So Bad” (September 15, 2025)

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the aftermath and cultural impact of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, the media's response, public reactions, and America’s ongoing tribal divides. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty debate media coverage, freedom of speech, public polarization, and the implications of political violence. The conversation is laced with their trademark irreverence, skepticism toward conventional wisdom, and concern over the trajectory of American unity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Charlie Kirk Assassination: Fallout and Media Response

• Dominating the News Cycle: The hosts note that every major outlet, including NPR, opened with Charlie Kirk coverage, highlighting its national significance. (04:36)
• Public Conversations: Joe shares that nearly everyone he met over the weekend wanted to discuss it, underscoring how much Kirk’s death rattled real life communities. (04:44)
• NFL and Emmys Contrasts: Jack points out that most NFL games observed a moment of silence, while the Emmy Awards didn’t mention Kirk at all, a decision both hosts dissect as reflective of ideological divides. (05:17–06:28)
  • Jack: “No mention on the Emmys. Wow.” (05:52)

The Emmys, Colbert, and Industry Tribalism

• Discussion of Stephen Colbert receiving a prolonged standing ovation at the Emmys, which Jack and Joe argue sends a pointed message about the show’s political alignment.
  • Jack: “You just announced to America, anybody in right America… this show isn’t for you.” (07:04)
  • Joe: “Not only that, we prefer you didn’t watch.” (07:19)
• Commentary that tribalism and partisanship remain entrenched in cultural institutions, even after a major tragedy.

The Kirk Shooting: Motive, Coincidence, and Social Media Theories

• Jack raises his “big question”: Was it just a coincidence that a student asked a question about trans activism—right before Kirk was shot by a man linked to a trans partner? Both hosts express skepticism, suspecting deeper significance but acknowledging the absurdity of a killer “waiting for an especially objectionable moment.” (08:43–09:23)
• Joe: “It’s almost too much to not be a coincidence...” (08:43)
• Reflections on the proliferation of conspiracy theories and difficulty parsing truth in the social media age.

Cultural and Ecclesiastical Responses

• Joe recounts churches framing Kirk as a spreader of “hate and division,” even while condemning his murder. He connects this to broader patterns of equating dissenting beliefs with hate, using insights from Greg Lukianoff’s book on free speech.
  • Joe: “If I have a belief and you say I don't agree... people... will say that is hateful and divisive.” (10:46)
• Challenges around censorship and labeling opposing viewpoints as hate speech.

Political & World Affairs as Backdrop

• Brief updates on Trump postponing enforcement of TikTok-related legislation and “calls” for master trade deals with China (13:33–14:17), along with a tongue-in-cheek aside about invading Venezuela.
• Discussion about Trump’s push to end quarterly earnings reports, which both hosts see as a possible solution to companies’ short-termism. (14:28–15:27)
  • Jack: “They make all kinds of horrible short-term decisions for the quarterly number to keep their stock up.” (15:17)

Headlines Rundown with Katie Green (20:40–24:15)

Katie reads through a rapid-fire selection of the day’s headlines, ranging from the tragic (Kirk shooter refusing to cooperate), to political/historical (Poland proposing a NATO no-fly zone), to lighthearted and absurd (a man caught driving a pink Barbie Jeep drunk for a Slurpee, and the “American university system” branded a terrorist org at the Babylon Bee).

• Notable moment: Joe exclaims, “Do you have a single headline that’s not a gigantic moral or political dilemma? You’re stressing me out, lady.” (22:27)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Colbert’s Emmys Ovation:
  Jack: “The first thing you do is announce to America… this show isn’t for you… Not only that, we prefer you didn’t watch… go away, we don’t like you.” (07:04–07:22)

• On Social Media Skepticism:
  Jack: “I am very skeptical to believe anything in the first couple of days after one of these events because I have been burned many, many times.” (29:29)
  Joe: “That one sounded too perfect.” (29:51)

• On Political Violence & Media Reaction:
  Jack: “If you cheer political violence, you are a nut… I don’t care what side your politics are.” (50:37)

• On Social Media’s Poison:
  Jack: “If you could, would you go back and kill Steve Jobs, stop him from inventing the smartphone, which has caused all of this.” (34:37)

• On America’s Divide and the Role of Social Media:
  Jack: “I don’t know how we break out of [this]. …We pick out the worst of the other side, retweet it and talk about how doomed we are.” (33:39)
  Joe: “All it takes is a vocal, organized minority to carry out a revolution.” (36:46)

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Analytical Debates:

Is Social Media Driving Doom or Just Revealing the Fringe? (32:31–35:59)

• Mark Halperin’s tweets reflect shock at the celebratory response to Kirk’s death on social media (“deeply, deeply worried about this country”). The hosts debate whether this represents a significant portion of the population or just an outsized vocal fringe that warps our perceptions and drives media conversation.

The Cancel Culture Mirror (20:29–20:40; 46:55–47:20)

• They tee up a later discussion on people fired for celebrating Kirk’s death—is this an instance of right-wing cancel culture, and does it make them hypocritical?
  Joe: “I have a provocative point of view on that, Jack… It will bring hate upon us, but that was probably going to happen anyway.” (20:40)

Is There a Way Out? (42:04–42:23)

• Both hosts express deep pessimism about bridging America’s divides, especially with the toxic influence of social media and the current campaign funding structures.
  Jack: “Is there any way out? …I don't know if there is.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 04:36 – Charlie Kirk's death dominates news and social discussions
• 05:17–07:19 – Dissection of Emmys' political signaling and media divides
• 08:43–09:23 – Debating coincidence vs. intent in Kirk assassination
• 10:46 – Churches’ nuanced responses & Lukianoff’s argument against speech policing
• 13:33–14:17 – Trump's moves on TikTok, trade, Venezuela
• 14:28–15:37 – Trump and the end of quarterly reports discussion
• 20:40–24:15 – Katie Green’s headline roundup; mix of grim and comedic news
• 29:29 – Skepticism about early narratives & differences in media coverage
• 32:31–41:52 – Reflections on social media, hate, and Mark Halperin’s warnings
• 46:55–47:20 – Previewing the cancel culture debate over firing Kirk-death celebrants
• 42:04–42:23 – Existential hand-wringing about whether the US can escape current divisions

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Episode Tone & Language

The episode maintains Armstrong & Getty’s sarcastic, unsentimental tone, mixing gallows humor with serious cultural criticism. They freely jump between weighty societal issues and breezy banter (“I can't believe you still want a pony so bad” emerges as a running joke illustrating longing for naïve solutions), keeping the conversation snappy but thoughtful.

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Conclusion

For listeners, this episode provides:

• A detailed exploration of the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination—how institutions, media, and individuals have responded.
• A critical look at the divisive, performative nature of public conversation (and how media, both social and traditional, fuels it).
• Sober, sometimes bleak, but always lively debate about whether there’s any path back to unity—or whether American life will remain fractured.
• Memorable humor and recognizable Armstrong & Getty skepticism throughout.

Recommended segments:

• The dissection of the Emmys and NFL responses to Kirk’s death (05:17–07:22)
• The nuanced debate about whether we let fringes control the national conversation (32:31–36:46)
• Mark Halperin’s observations and the hosts’ own, on how the response to Kirk’s assassination could signal deeper trouble for the country (31:58–41:52)

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For those looking to understand not just what happened, but how Americans are reacting to what happened—this episode is essential listening.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Live from Studio C SI Senior, a dimly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And hey y'. All.

[Joe Getty]

Today, Monday, brand new week that we're.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kicking off, we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Joe Getty]

The Charlie Kirk conversation far from over.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, God, I would say so. Every single news outlet I took in today, including npr, led with something Charlie Kirk related.

[Joe Getty]

Virtually everybody I ran into in real life wanted to talk about it over the weekend. I have some strange and troubling anecdotes from real life about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I just came across this before I get to my big question.

[Joe Getty]

The Jack's big question is what I call it. Oh, this early in the show, the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Emmys didn't mention Charlie Kirk.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Didn't mention it at all.

[Joe Getty]

I can so picture that process.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, so can I. And I. I can. I can. So as I think about it, because I just read that I hadn't really thought about it, but so all but five NFL games had a moment of silence. Home games yesterday. The home stadium. Now, I don't know how many NFL games there are on a Sunday? There are 30 teams. You cut them in half, that's 15. A quarter of them get a buy. So maybe you got 10 games on a Sunday, something like that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because one on Thursday, so maybe only eight. So about half of them had some sort of moment of silence at the stadium. No mention on the Emmys. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

But, well, the process that I mentioned that I picture, and I'm damn sure I'm right, is some bodies said, you know, we probably ought to mention it, pay our respects in some way. And somebody else said, well, guy was evil, he was a bad guy. I mean, he was terrible. Why would we respect him like that?

[Jack Armstrong]

And.

[Joe Getty]

And they went round and round and round. Then just decided, all right, let's do nothing.

[Jack Armstrong]

And.

[Joe Getty]

Or.

[Jack Armstrong]

If we mention him and have a moment of silence, half the crowd's going to boo. Oh, and that would be worse than not doing anything.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which is probably true for your look, the Emmy. Nobody gives a crap about the Emmys. Certainly nobody. Then our audience. But really Emmys. So I watched the first part of it. Your first presenter, the first thing that happens. Yeah. The host of the Late Show, Stephen Colbert. And everybody goes to their feet and it's a ridiculously long standing ovation for Stephen Colbert, who obviously was fired for badmouthing Trump. Standing ovation. He had trouble getting the calm down enough that he could even get to what he had to say.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

The first guest. And I thought first thing you just, you, you. You announced to America, anybody in right. America that was watching the Emmys and it probably were few, but announced to them, this show isn't for you. Just want to make sure, you know, this show is not for you.

[Joe Getty]

Not only that, we prefer you didn't watch. I mean, go away, we don't like you.

[Jack Armstrong]

How about that?

[Joe Getty]

You know, that's funny. As you brought up Colbert and I was reminded of a couple things. Number one, that his show is little watched. And number two, I was like, oh, wasn't there some sort of weak. He's a martyr for progressive America angle. Right. Yeah. That's the whole merger deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

So just the most thunderous standing ovation. We'll play it for you later. And then later he wins, of course, for best variety show, which he did win on a regular basis, but of course he was going to win this year. Do you know Jimmy Kimmel took out a billboard in Los Angeles saying vote for Stephen Colbert for Emmy for so and more thunderous applause for the hero. So just, just, just that sort of thing. That we're still, you know, not that tribalism was going to end with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, but right from the beginning last night, then no moment of silence. But here's my question. Jack's big question obscured Jack's big question. I meant to lead with this. Is it just a coincidence that a student asked a question about trans activists and shootings when Charlie Cook got killed by a guy dating a trans person? Is that just a coincidence?

[Joe Getty]

It's. It's almost too much to not be a coincidence. But at the same time, the idea that a would be assassin would get into position, get his weapon ready and. And obviously the guy tried not to get caught. I mean, he escaped and everything, but he was waiting for a particularly objectionable moment. It's possible. I guess it just seems crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a heck of a coincidence.

[Joe Getty]

You're there to commit a murder and you wait for him to say something you especially don't like. Or if he already decided to go.

[Jack Armstrong]

There and kill him. Yeah. Am I supposed to believe that friends hadn't come up, he would have put away his gun and gone home.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make sense, but that's a heck of a coincidence. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

It's like I said, it's almost too much. So here's an anecdote from real life and I got to tell the story backward. Get into the radio ranch today. Fox News is on and they are talking about the thousands, tens of thousands of young people who went to church this weekend who normally don't, inspired by Charlie Kirk. And they wanted to look into it because his beliefs were so important to him and, and they were talking about that. I don't know how many people it was and I don't know if it lasts or how significant it was, but I thought that was interesting, especially because I have it on very good authority that certain pulpits in America, many of them in blue states, but not all the pastor stated unequivocally though Charlie Kirk spread hate and division, still his murder was not justified. And we pray for his family, really stated it as fact that he spread hate and division. And that's the great maneuver. I happen to be reading a terrific new book, short read, easy read, great read. Greg Lukianoff and a gal he works with. I'm sorry, I know his work, not hers, but she's the co author. It's the 10 most common arguments against free speech and refuting them and they get into something that applies here and that is if I have a belief and you say I Don't agree with your belief, People on particularly the left side of the aisle will say, that is hateful and divisive. I think a man can just declare he's a woman, be a woman. I don't believe that at all. I think there are two sexes and you're one or the other. Well, that's hateful and divisive. They just pronounce their own arguments as gospel as literally, in that case, in the church. Which is why you never want to give them the power of censorship, because they'll always declare anybody who disagrees with their views as, you know, spewing hate speech or division or however you want to phrase it.

[Jack Armstrong]

So let's start the show officially before we get in trouble with the fcc. A couple of big newsish things have happened today that aren't Charlie Kirk related that we should talk about. But I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Monday, September 15, the year 2025, where Armstrong and Gideon. We approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

Let's begin then, officially, according to FCC rules and regulations. Here we go at Mark something. Ray, I just. I just thought that I. I would have been back here sooner.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do you mean?

[Joe Getty]

After winning the Emmy, you know, I would have worked more at all. Don't think that if you win tonight, your life's gonna change.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, Brad, it is not gonna change.

[Joe Getty]

Stop, stop. Come on. Let's be honest. I think the next time I'm on the Emmys, it'll be in memoriam.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. And the rest of that was. He said, ray, do you think I'm making a memoriam? Ray said, if it's a slow year.

[Joe Getty]

Good stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was back in the 90s when we just had regular comedy. It didn't have to be at some political side's expenses.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. And many people watched it together on something called the television.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, did you see the opening skit from Nate Bargazi?

[Joe Getty]

No, I just heard some of the audio.

[Jack Armstrong]

He reprised the famous Saturday night live thing where he's George Washington on the boat and he talks about the future. He's.

[Joe Getty]

We have that audio if you want it.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's Philo Farnsworth. He's the inventor of television, and he's doing this very same sort of thing. And he's talking about, well, TVB will be like in the future, which I thought was pretty dang funny, but one of the jokes that I really liked was, in the future, we'll watch crime shows about murders, murderers, actual murderers, and one of the guys said, who would watch that? Your wife, My wife, everyone's wife. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

And daughters, by the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. That is an interesting thing about television. Any who Trump announced today he's got a TikTok deal that he's going to discuss with Xi on Friday. So they've got some sort of deal for TikTok to go forward. I have no idea what that deal is. He hasn't released that yet. But Congress passed the law. I mean, it's not necessarily up to the president. Congress passed the law, Supreme Court upheld at nine. Nothing.

[Joe Getty]

But the president postponed the enforcement of the law, which is not a thing in our system.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not really. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Shouldn't be. Yeah. I don't get it. They're trying to work out some giant master trade deal. Xi Jinping is pushing for Donald J. To come to Beijing and pay him a visit.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it still looks like we might invade Venezuela and make it our 51st state or something. I don't know what's going to happen there, but.

[Joe Getty]

Well, they accused us of molesting their tuna boat.

[Jack Armstrong]

I saw that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Donald Trump also calling for companies to end the practice of quarterly reports, which I want to talk about later because I remember reading an article about that in the Wall Street Journal years ago that was very convincing that that's one of the worst things that has happened to us in terms of the way we run companies.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not familiar with the Trump request order conversation starter. What, what form is it going to take? Because, I mean, there's already way too much executive overreach. And that has nothing to do with the executive branch of the government. But I love it. As a conversation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Or as an idea. The idea being. And then we'll, we'll take a break and get to the headlines. Back in the day. We didn't do it this way. It's not like that. The, it didn't come down to Moses from God that you have to have quarterly reports.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then when all big companies started having quarterly reports, you started seeing what you see around your workplace where they make all kinds of horrible short term decisions for the quarterly number to keep their stock up.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you think this is a terrible short term decision. I mean, it's a terrible long term decision. It's a short term decision. But we could get rid of those. If we got rid of quarterly reports.

[Joe Getty]

We're going to get rid of the entire sales department because we have plenty of sales this quarter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Right, exactly. And that'll, that'll really boost the bottom line. Oh, who's going to sell stuff next quarter?

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's not.

[Joe Getty]

Let's not worry about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I love that. Anyway, we got Katie's headlines on the way and lots of stuff. Here's our text line. 415295 kftc armstrong and getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Five NFL stadiums had done something for Charlie Kirk that was wrong apparently. At Least according to ChatGPT, as it looks like there were seven NFL stadiums that had a moment of silence or longer something more. And obviously we're organizing a boycott against the other teams because that's what you have to do, right? So do not buy any Detroit Lions paraphernalia or Baltimore Ravens swag.

[Joe Getty]

I refuse to attend a Denver Broncos game until they repent.

[Jack Armstrong]

We will be talking about the whole cancel thing from the right or just in general a little bit later.

[Joe Getty]

I have a provocative point of view on that Jack Controversial. It will bring hate upon us, but that was probably going to happen anyway. So hey, let's figure out who's reporting what? It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie, what's happening? Thank you, guys.

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From abc, Utah governor says Kirk shooter not cooperating with authorities.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, does that make any difference?

[Joe Getty]

I was going to say his goose is cooked anyway. I mean, completely. Unless I came across a story, I was going to bring it up later that there are several social media accounts that gave every indication of knowing in advance what was going to happen. And I think the authorities would absolutely like to know more about that, but I'm not sure they need his cooperation.

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From Reuters, Court allows Trump administration to end Planned Parenthood's Medicaid funding.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know anything about that.

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From NBC, FDA to present data it claims ties Covid shots to child deaths at CDC meetings.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

[Joe Getty]

All right, well, let's look at the data. That's fine.

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From the Washington Post. Poland calls for NATO backed no fly zone over Ukraine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we're talking about this last weekend. No fly zone that would extend beyond the border by a fairly big chunk. Like you get within 60 miles of our border and we'll shoot you down.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Oh, there's a guy trampling the Charlie Kirk memorial.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Beautiful. By the way, Katie, do you have a single headline that's not a gigantic moral or political dilemma? You're stressing me out, lady. I do.

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I saved the fun for the end.

[Joe Getty]

You guys know this. Sorry, I'm a little honest, lady.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. You don't want to reach the age where people are calling you lady. Clearly, I'm there.

[Joe Getty]

Ma'. Am.

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From the New York Times. Rubio in Israel says a diplomatic solution to Gaza war may not be possible.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. What?

[Joe Getty]

At least some diplomats finally saying it right. I mean, it's, it's, welcome to the party, Marco. But he's virtually the only guy who's willing to state the incredibly obvious.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Hmm. I remember. I remember 1979 because my grandma, my mom's mom, was talking about taking the gold out of her fillings because gold had reached such a high.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Mining her own mouth.

[Jack Armstrong]

She didn't. But she was tempted.

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[Joe Getty]

All right. Finally, New York Post.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if this means anything. Just as an aside, I thought it was interesting. So the, the whole the roommate is trans thing broke in Twitter, like Friday, I mean, long days ago. But mainstream media wasn't running with it for a variety of reasons. I think we all know part of it maybe being. I too am very skeptical to believe anything in the first couple of days after one of these events because I have been burned many, many times.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And that one sounded too perfect. Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So I don't have any problem with. But CBS on Face Nation yesterday, they had it part of their update Meet the Press and, and ABC this week did not in their. The latest news part. Then the governor of Utah came on and mentioned it, but they didn't mention it themselves. CBS mentioned it themselves. Cbs, who seems to be running away from their, their, you know, the perceptions people have of them. I don't know if it's just because of the lawsuits or because they actually are trying to become more of a mainstream news organization.

[Joe Getty]

I would guess the latter from the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Top down with that whole thing. They're. They're looking at offering $200 million to buy Barry Weiss's thing and make her, you know, put her in charge of the news division and all that sort of stuff. CBS might be the big news news outlet to watch that I've been waiting for for a long time that decides, you know, we need to talk to everybody.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I'm kind of excited about that. So that's the end of the excitement as I get to this with what Mark Halperin wrote.

[Joe Getty]

You know, one more very quick note on CBS to, quote, unquote, decide you want to talk to everyone, all you have to do is hire a few conservatives and ask for their perspective.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's it.

[Joe Getty]

And virtually nobody's done it for a very long time in the mainstream media lately.

[Jack Armstrong]

To that Mark Halpern over the weekend, couple of his tweets, and then I was reading his newsletter stuff, which I'll get to a little bit later, but a couple of his tweets. For the first day, I refused to believe that anyone was actually going on social media to celebrate Charlie's murder. Then I realized There was in fact some of it, but I assumed it was a very small amount. Now I see how naive I was. What is wrong with someone who would do that? That was on Saturday. Then yesterday he goes with. CNN and MSNBC are not taking the remarks of Erica Kirk live. It takes a lot to surprise me. This is shocking. The BBC is taking it live.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

That'S astounding with the things that cable news covers in a given day just to have something to put on there.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

They didn't take Charlie Kirk's wife's first remarks live. That is a heck of a decision to make. And then he ended with this yesterday, this morning with, I want to read this correctly because I thought it was something this morning with significant time to reflect. For the first time since the murder, I am now deeply, deeply worried about this country.

[Joe Getty]

Welcome, Mark. Welcome. You know how sometimes I say I've done the math in my head and it just doesn't work? Whether it's the two state solution and peace process or Joe Biden running again a couple of years ago, I just can't make the math work. I cannot make the math work of we solve the problems that brought us here unless there is some new technological development or something. And I can't even imagine what it would be. For instance, you had pastors declaring from the pulpit unequivocally that Charlie Kirk spread hate and division. Now, maybe wrong to murder him, but he was a hateful, hateful figure. You have people, and this is gonna factor in a mailbag completely convinced online and I mean, they would, they would bet their lives that the killer of Charlie Kirk was a far right maga lunatic who thought Charlie wasn't far right enough and that's why he killed him. There is a huge subsection of humanity online, of course, who actually believes that right now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, huge. The number of people would be disturbing. I mean, I mean, sure, you could fill several, you know, baseball stadiums with them and it would look like a lot of people. As a percentage, it's nobody. But as we've talked about to death in social media, it looks like a lot of people. And for whatever reason it drives our conversations, we are enable, unable to recognize in our heads that this is a tiny percentage of America. Most of us don't think this way. So let's ignore those people. That's the opposite of what we do. We pick out the worst of the other side, retweet it and talk about how doomed we are. I don't, I don't know how we break out of That I was listening to a podcast the other day with the great Kevin Williamson on it, writer, and he said, you know, people talk about how if you could, would you go back and kill baby Hitler? He said, I often wonder if I could go back and kill Steve Jobs, stop him from inventing the smartphone, which has caused all of this.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, a lot of it, yeah. So, getting back to your previous point, do you think Halpern is overreacting or overestimating the number of people who feel what they feel? Glee at the death of Charlie Kirk because he seemed to think it was truly significant.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

And more than a fringe, especially if.

[Jack Armstrong]

But both are true.

[Joe Getty]

The people who say it and the people who are sympathetic, I think is more than you think. Of course, I don't know precisely what you think.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think both are true. I think. I think the. The. It's just the fringe that is lunatic. You know, whatever it is, 8%, whatever it wants to be, but the way we all react to that fringe does mean we're doomed. So those are both true. I think it's a small amount of people who are. Who are unhinged about this stuff, but we all.

[Joe Getty]

We.

[Jack Armstrong]

We let them drive the conversation. If we could somehow avoid that, I think we'd be fine.

[Joe Getty]

That's an intriguing point. What percentage of the population holding it a loathsome, hateful, dangerous view. Ask Charlie Kirk's widow whether it's a dangerous view is too insignificant to let it drive the conversation. As you said.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. But pre social media, how would we have even known what 5% of America thinks?

[Joe Getty]

Well, they never would have gotten the reinforcement social media brings them. They just shut their mouths because they'd have realized, oh, nobody around here thinks this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Just you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just. You would have never had any idea if in. If in, I don't know, pick a year. If in 1975, 6% of people thought Gerald Ford should be dead.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

You would have had no idea.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Right. Boy, I'm super intrigued by this. I don't disagree with you. I'm just. It's like I've come across a really nettlesome math question, and I'm trying to tease it out. You've long advocated the idea that all it takes is a vocal, organized minority to carry out a revolution.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I didn't invent that. That's what people have figured out. It takes about 15% of a really energetic group of people to cause a revolution because you get enough people that kind of agree with them. Then you got people who, I Don't agree with them, but I'm kind of scared to stand in their way. And you very quickly end up with over 50%.

[Joe Getty]

So given that this. Oh, here's the question then. At this point, do we have 15% of people who are gleeful that Charlie Kirk was murdered? Probably not. But what if it's 12%?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I don't know if it has to be about Charlie Kirk. I think we have more than 15% who think the other side is hell bent on killing us. Our side. I think we have more than 15% of people who think the other side wants my side dead.

[Joe Getty]

Or at least unemployed and humiliated and driven through the streets like wild beasts.

[Jack Armstrong]

That number is probably true.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And if you have that group of people in a we gotta fight fire with fire stance. All right, I don't know how we get out of that. Like you said, that's how you started. I don't know how we get out of this.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the problem is I'm not sure pacifism or not engaging those crazies leads us to a good place.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right wing Talk show Host calls for Civil war.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. You know, at the point Johnny Reb's shooting his rifle at me. It was rifles then, right? Yeah. Well, I'm in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you think it was longbows?

[Joe Getty]

Well, no. I was trying to remember when the transition between smooth bore weapons and rifles came along. It was the Civil War. That's one of the reasons it was so deadly. They were still using smooth bore weapon maneuvering tactics against rifles.

[Jack Armstrong]

I saw a YouTube video yesterday. It's amazing that people take the time to do this sort of stuff. Guns for the last, I think it was 400 years and a guy had every kind of gun. And then the advancement over 400 years, 300 years or whatever. It was starting with like the very beginning. You had to put a bunch of powder down there and thing in there and then a little ball and light it on fire. All these different things in it.

[Joe Getty]

You gotta. There's a wad involved.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then he would skip to the next advance and everything like that. It was really, really interesting.

[Joe Getty]

I'll bet. So you, you, you are at. You seem to be very troubled that the lunatic fringes are driving the conversation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, I am.

[Joe Getty]

Totally get that. So do you advocate ignoring them or what? See, that's my problem is they are trying aggressively to spread their ideology. And at the point that it's 15% of them, I mean, we saw it in blue states, in the world of education, people are still bowing and Scraping before the idol of progressivism. They're terrified to say. I think they're just two sexes and you're stuck with it. They're terrified to say Black Lives Matter is a Marxist organization. Of course Black Lives Matter, but the organization are Marxists.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would like to believe that if each.

[Joe Getty]

So the revolution's already been won in those places.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would like to believe that each. If each side called out their own side, which we were talking about on Friday or Thursday or whatever was the day after the assassination. I'd like to believe that if both sides called out their own side, we could tamp this down. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's too late.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'd like to believe if Judy could find a reasonably priced pony in time for Christmas, there would be a pony under the tree. Well, next to the tree, probably.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't believe you still want a pony so bad.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

You live in town. You can't. You can't just have a pony.

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[Jack Armstrong]

With this statement or not? From Mark Halpern in his newsletter on Sunday this morning with significant time to reflect. For the first time since the murder, I am now deeply, deeply worried about the country.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Is there any way out? Text line 415295 KFTC if there is there any way out? I don't know if there is. Especially with social media, the current way that we fund our politics.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

There's a couple of things involved that I think just yeah, passion equals dollars.

[Joe Getty]

And passion is often anger and hatred.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep, we got email on the way and a bunch of other stuff. Stay here.

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[Jack Armstrong]

With the Reddit thread A I t A h I am not I don't think so. Am I the ah yes. Yeah, I've got one of those stories. Oh good for about me Am I the a m I n ah in this story I guess would be the story so I'll get to that Maybe an hour or two.

[Joe Getty]

And speaking of hour two, we'll kick it off with a fascinating discussion of the people getting canned from their jobs because they did a touchdown dance over poor Charlie Kirk being slaughtered in cold blood. Is that cancel culture from the right? Are we being hypocrites?

[Jack Armstrong]

God, you're such a crazy person. If you're happy about political violence from any side, we will discuss. Can't understand that.

[Joe Getty]

We will discuss. Mailbag. I'm sorry. Freedom, love and quote of the day. Sorry, I found this really interesting. Malcolm Nance, who I didn't have time to look up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie, do you have a second figure.

[Joe Getty]

Out who this guy is. He says the funny trick that Americans do is that they manage to convince themselves that political violence in the United States that any one of us in the counterterrorism world would call terrorism anywhere else is just violence in the United States.

[Jack Armstrong]

You think we should be calling it terrorism?

[Joe Getty]

Well, as you know, I think terror, the term terrorism and terrorist has been overused to the point of it's practically, it's like fascist. It doesn't mean anything anymore. But yeah, yeah, political violence to achieve a particular end is terrorism. Yeah. Mailbag. Which is going to factor into the discussion next hour. Drop us a Note [e-mail].

[Jack Armstrong]

Ryan from.

[Joe Getty]

Houston writes, Jack Joe was the killer of Charlie Kirk, a white nationalist MAGA groiper who felt that Charlie wasn't conservative enough. Well, if your whole Twitter identity Is you hate MAGA, then there's a 99.9% chance you believe that was the shooter from a good conservative home and radicalized by Reddit college and had a relationship with transgender individual. Well, if your Twitter profile is Orleans conservative, there's a 99.9% chance you believe that the notion that don't trust anything in the first 24 hours of breaking is out the window when you find something that appeals to your confirmation bias.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, and I'm gonna stick with this just because it's the only thing that gives me hope. The percentage of people who are living their lives this way is small. I'm sticking with that partly because I want it to be true.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I, I just again, ask, ask people forced to take humiliating anti racist training whether that fringe group is, you know, can be ignored or not. I just think it's gone too far. Anyway, let's see. This was posted online by a number of folks. A couple of folks sent it along. When George Floyd died, they burned down cities when, When Charlie Kirk died. We pray and host vigils we are not the same.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hmm.

[Joe Getty]

There's a lot of truth to that. Moving along, David, on the TMZ staffers laughing and cheering story, I was going to give TMZ the benefit of the doubt until I saw the car chase video. They announced during the car chase that the staffers were watching that Charlie Kirk had died. On the broadcast they were watching, they were definitely cheering his death.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ooh.

[Joe Getty]

Probably already have a bunch of email to this fact, but wanted to be sure. Yeah, we did actually get several of them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you can't. You can't blame what's his name, the guy who runs tmz, Harvey Levin. Is it for. For wanting to get the story out that that's not what happened? Because that's not a good look.

[Joe Getty]

No, it's a terrible, terrible look.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he's got a bunch of young people who mostly follow entertainment news. Am I shocked that they cheered this? No, not really.

[Joe Getty]

Then TJ in the dang beautiful red in California writes, if you cheer political.

[Jack Armstrong]

Violence, you are a nut. Or you've gone so far over the line. Honestly, I don't care what side your politics are. If you cheer political violence, you've crossed a line.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, you've. You've seriously lost a chunk of your soul. Or you have no wisdom. Anyway, I don't know. Last Friday or whatever you guys mentioned Patrick Mahomes come out said he would pay the living expenses of Charlie Kirk's kids. I immediately knew it wasn't true because by that point I had already said seen the same thing about Justin Jefferson and C.D. lamb of the NFL.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know those people, but I assume they exist.

[Joe Getty]

They're big stars. Yeah, my wife actually sent me the one about CD Lamb thinking it was real. I don't know who makes these things up. I don't understand the purpose other than to cause confusion. Social media, especially Twitter, so good with breaking news, but it's getting so difficult to tell fact from fiction. I saw info on the Kirk shooter wearing a Donald Trump shirt which was AI generated clips claiming show the shooter debating Kirk prior to the shooting, which was actually just a guy who looked somewhat similar. People are getting easily tricked with the stuff and don't know it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I swear that Patrick Mahomes thing was on a real news thing because I don't just repeat right everything from everywhere. But that doesn't mean it wasn't fake and somebody else didn't get hooked.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we're about out of time. Interesting note here from Andy saying I don't know what to tell pollsters when they ask, are you against all political violence because the purpose of the second Amendment is if we are oppressed that we must end it by force.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

I think in this moment. And he go ahead and say you're against it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seems like a good idea. We got a lot more on this topic. It's a huge one. It might be the topic for whether or not we stay together as a country.

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