I Don't Need Any More Bicycle Videos!!!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode Title: I Don't Need Any More Bicycle Videos!!!
Release Date: August 5, 2025
Host/Authors: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In the episode titled "I Don't Need Any More Bicycle Videos!!!", hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into the frustrations surrounding modern digital content consumption, particularly focusing on YouTube's algorithmic recommendations. The conversation branches into broader societal issues, including the state of public libraries, the influence of political narratives on public perception, and the intricacies of modern political figures.

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YouTube's Predictive Algorithms and User Frustrations

Timestamp: [03:29]
Jack Armstrong initiates the discussion by expressing exasperation with YouTube's content recommendation system:

"So honest to God, there needs to be some sort of algorithm reset button that you can do. I shouldn't be afraid to search on things and think, ah, I'd like to look that up. But then I'll end up with nothing but that for the next six months."

He recounts his experience with unintended content feeds after searching for specific topics, highlighting the lack of user control over algorithmic suggestions:

"I had a brief like week where I enjoyed those videos where they have babies. Like they have the audio from Trump, but it's a baby Trump or whatever."

Timestamp: [04:35]
Jamie Rubin suggests patience as the solution:

"Yeah, just give it time."

However, Armstrong counters the idea, emphasizing the need for more immediate control over content algorithms:

"But surely, but surely they realize they're wrong about this. So there's got to be a way to fix that."

Timestamp: [05:27]
Rubin and Armstrong brainstorm potential solutions, such as allowing users to manually adjust their content preferences through a dedicated settings page:

"It'd be cool if you could go to a page and it lists all of your things that it thinks you're into, and you could click the boxes and say, I am into these. I'm not into these anymore."

The Decline of Public Libraries and Social Issues Within

Transitioning from digital algorithms to societal structures, the hosts critique the deteriorating state of public libraries.

Timestamp: [07:17]
Armstrong references an article by Zach Bissonnette from the Free Press, highlighting the decline in library usage due to increased homelessness:

"Visits to public libraries fell by 57% in the 10 years ending in 2022."

Rubin expands on this by citing the Urban Libraries Council's report, emphasizing the rise in security incidents despite declining visits:

"Between 2019 and 2023 security incidents rose at its 115 member libraries even as visits fell another 35%."

Timestamp: [12:18]
The conversation introduces two contrasting perspectives on library management:

1. Ryan Dowd – Advocates for libraries as inclusive spaces for the homeless, promoting empathy-driven approaches.
2. Steve Albrecht – Emphasizes the need for safety and control within libraries.

Armstrong questions the mission of libraries:

"Where in the charter of libraries did it have anything to do with solving housing problems?"

Rubin and Armstrong discuss specific incidents, such as anti-Israel storytime events in Philadelphia libraries, illustrating the perceived shift in library roles:

"The Philadelphia Public Libraries have hosted... anti-Israel storytime events that teach children that Israel senselessly murdered thousands of kids in Gaza."

Timestamp: [14:11]
Rubin critiques Dowd’s approach, suggesting it prioritizes inclusivity over library usability:

"Dowd advocates for inclusion even when it comes... It seems to come at the expense of the library's environment."

Election Interference and Political Bias

Shifting focus to political discourse, Armstrong and Rubin critique the narrative surrounding Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election.

Timestamp: [27:49]
Armstrong addresses the widespread belief among Democrats that Russia stole the 2016 election:

"Half the country and one entire political party has an article of faith that Russia stole the 2016 election."

He references a Washington Post report about Attorney General Pam Bondi initiating a grand jury investigation into Obama administration officials, suggesting political motivations behind the investigation:

"Attorney General Pam Bondi has ordered a grand jury investigation into allegations made that Obama administration Officials broke federal laws while investigating Russia's involvement in the 2016 election."

Timestamp: [31:07]
Rubin and Armstrong debate the effectiveness and intentions behind the investigation, with Armstrong highlighting the potential lack of accountability:

"I don't think anybody is ever gonna pay a price for this."

Rubin adds skepticism about the motivations, pointing out the repetitive nature of such politically charged investigations:

"We can't have your intelligence spooks fixing or attempting to fix our elections, no matter how much they hate one of the candidates."

Critique of Modern Political Figures: Jasmine Crockett and AOC

In a continued political analysis, the hosts focus on contemporary political figures like Jasmine Crockett and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC).

Timestamp: [42:13]
Rubin remarks on the portrayal of these figures in media, drawing parallels to influencer culture:

"Crockett is also the star of numerous YouTube videos with 'claps back' in the title."

Armstrong and Rubin discuss the superficiality and performative aspects of modern political figures, critiquing their focus on social media engagement over substantive legislative work.

Timestamp: [47:22]
They analyze an Atlantic article profiling Jasmine Crockett, criticizing her for perceived narcissism and emphasis on social media metrics:

"The article portrays Crockett as a self-infatuated wannabe influencer who monitors social media engagement like a day trader checks her portfolio."

Armstrong underscores the shift from legislative accomplishments to personal branding:

"Now they all seem like narcissist weirdos."

Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Jack Armstrong and Jamie Rubin express a deep-seated frustration with the current state of digital content consumption, the declining role and mismanagement of public libraries, and the entanglement of political narratives with personal agendas. Their discussions highlight a yearning for more control over personal digital experiences, greater accountability in political investigations, and a return to substance over superficiality in political leadership.

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Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong [03:29]:
  "There needs to be some sort of algorithm reset button that you can do. I shouldn't be afraid to search on things and think, ah, I'd like to look that up."

• Jamie Rubin [05:25]:
  "It'd be cool if you could go to a page and it lists all of your things that it thinks you're into, and you could click the boxes and say, I am into these. I'm not into these anymore."

• Jack Armstrong [12:25]:
  "Where in the charter of libraries did it have anything to do with solving housing problems?"

• Jamie Rubin [13:52]:
  "We are losing control of a facility that has always been benevolent and peaceful for the community."

• Jack Armstrong [27:49]:
  "Half the country and one entire political party has an article of faith that Russia stole the 2016 election."

• Jamie Rubin [47:05]:
  "House Oversight Committee plus social media, please. Fireworks."

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This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand offers a critical examination of how digital platforms influence personal experiences and broader societal institutions. The hosts advocate for greater user control, accountability in public services, and integrity in political narratives.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jamie Rubin]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jamie Rubin]

YouTube will start guessing your age based on the types of videos the user searches for and the categories of videos they watch. For example, I watch restorations of World War I cigarette lighters and videos about knee pain. And that's why YouTube correctly guessed my age of 245.

[Jack Armstrong]

So honest to God, there needs to be some sort of algorithm reset button that you can do. I shouldn't be afraid to search on things and think, ah, I'd like to look that up. But then I'll end up with nothing but that for the next six months. So I don't look up some things. Like I had a brief like week where I enjoyed those videos where they have babies. Like they, they have the audio from Trump, but it's a baby Trump or whatever. I enjoyed that for a couple of days. But you know, Instagram or YouTube or whoever thought, oh, this is the only thing he likes in the world. He likes it better than air. And so that's the only thing I get fed. How do you turn that off?

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, just give it time.

[Jack Armstrong]

I remember I needed to look up something about the OJ trial, then endless OJ videos. I I got what I need. I don't need, I don't need OJ videos. When I wake up in the morning and click on YouTube, I don't need 15 different OJ videos.

[Jamie Rubin]

Attack is going in the opposite direction. They are utterly convinced, knowing you, everything about, I agree, but their habits, your needs.

[Jack Armstrong]

But surely, but surely they realize they're wrong about this. So there's got to be a way to fix that. I don't know how they would differentiate between things that actually are your passion because you can send me pretty much endless, I don't know, guitar stuff, but OJ the talking babies or, you know, I look up a review of a Bicycle. Then I buy the bicycle. I don't need any more bicycle videos for the rest of my life.

[Jamie Rubin]

Right. There's gotta be ways to believe.

[Jack Armstrong]

So clear out your algorithms.

[Jamie Rubin]

It'd be cool if you could go.

[Jack Armstrong]

To a page and it lists all of your things that it thinks you're into, and you could click the boxes and say, I am into these. I'm not into these anymore.

[Jamie Rubin]

Or score it one to five, you know? Yeah, yeah, they'll probably get that right at some point. But again, the trend is toward more knowledge of you, which will be hacked, by the way, and more intimate and human, like companionship, like it's your best friend. To which I say no to no, thank you. And you always say there's no stopping it. I'm not worried about society. I'm worried about me and the people I care about. That you do not have to go along with what Silicon Valley thinks your life ought to be like, I'm going to start a religion. It's not going to be much of a religion, but I'm going to start a religion. Our only principle. And you can have your other religion, too. That's fine. Is going to be, think for yourself. Don't just buy what they're selling.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe starting a religion. His messianic complex finally gets on the air.

[Jamie Rubin]

Like, I will be permitted to have at least a dozen wives in this religion.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just, of course, goes with the territory. I clicked on one of the Sydney Sweeney videos for the Blue Jean thing for the show, but now Instagram thinks, oh, you're one of those guys that likes to look at young hotties. No, I'm not. I'm not. And I don't need endless young, hot women. That. That's the last thing I need. I know where to find that on the Internet if I want to look for it. Good Lord.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah. So we all need to take turns watching the hen house. There are foxes watching the hen houses of education. We've figured that out. And. And indoctrinating our children. And a couple of generations have been completely screwed up. Now we have a lot of good folks getting on school boards resisting, you know, these perverse state laws and board of education decisions, stuff like that. Keep it up, y'.

[Jack Armstrong]

All.

[Jamie Rubin]

You're doing great. Got to get on those school boards and become part of your local education scene so the Communists don't control all of it. Libraries are the same thing. And I remember hearing this a long time ago. Somebody was talking to us. It might have been in a conversation with James Lindsay or one of his associates talking about how by far the most liberal parts of the American scene are teachers, colleges, the education, education and libraries. I remember seeing a poll that, like the library science departments in universities are the most liberal or progressive or Marxist. And I remember thinking at the time, boy, that's weird. And it doesn't matter, really. I mean, library science, what, how many graduates are there in that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if they decide who, what books go in the library, that's a pretty big deal.

[Jamie Rubin]

Exactly. I was an idiot. An idiot for what I thought, and I kick myself daily for it. Couple of stories for you real quickly. The Philadelphia Public Libraries have hosted, and are going to host another one this weekend. Anti Israel storytime events that teach children that Israel senselessly murdered thousands of kids in Gaza. That's a quote. Depict a map in which Israel is entirely replaced with Palestine and create art projects for the little kids to do, promoting the Palestinian liberation movement.

[Jack Armstrong]

In the public library.

[Jamie Rubin]

In the public libraries in Philadelphia. That's correct. Here's one of their libraries, isn't it.

[Jack Armstrong]

The Philadelphia Public Library. That's where Rocky climbs to the top of the steps and jumps around in it.

[Jamie Rubin]

Well, he'd have gotten beaten down by a bunch of young women in a keffiyeh these days. One of the storytime events on the website features an advertisement alongside of a child wearing a headscarf that features an image of the Dome of the Rock in the Arabic phrase Jerusalem, we are coming, a slogan Hamas and Hezbollah used to call for the destruction of the Jewish state. The library advertises the event again for, I think this Saturday. As for being. As being for children of all ages.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gave up on the library quite a few years ago, my local library, because it became a homeless camp. That was my main thing. It wasn't what books they had in there. It was just full of homeless people in the bathroom. And I would never take my kids there. Dad, can I go to the bathroom? No, too dangerous. At my public library. Yeah. Oh, man.

[Jamie Rubin]

I could read you more of what they're trying to teach the children about the Israeli Hamas conflict, but it is un freaking believable. So, getting to Jack's point, I thought this was so interesting. Zach Bissonnette wrote this piece for the Free Press, the Death of the public Library. And it's not because people are reading less or because the Internet or anything like that. It's because of the bums and junkies.

[Cindy Crawford]

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[Jamie Rubin]

All over the country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure.

[Jamie Rubin]

And he describes his local library and how it's unusable now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure. And if you take Little kids. I'm talking about the big in Sacramento, their downtown library. I haven't been there in decades. I used to go every week. I was there every week checking out audio books or books or whatever. But no way, unless it's changed recently, and I doubt it has, I would take kids there.

[Jamie Rubin]

Right. Right. Well, and there's a twist to the story coming up in a second, but he hit some stats over the country. All over the country, libraries are seeing fewer visitors and more problems per resident. Visits to public libraries fell by 57% in the 10 years ending in 2022.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's.

[Jamie Rubin]

I don't know. Does anybody else have cherished memories of going to the library as a kid? Bringing my kids to the library.

[Jack Armstrong]

My mom. I'd go with my mom in our town and I just assumed I'd be taking my kids a lot. But nope, absolutely not.

[Jamie Rubin]

Loved our local library as a kid. It was like the world's greatest toy store for me. All those wonderful books. Amazing. So 57% decline in 10 years. Meanwhile, a report from the Urban Libraries Council found that between 2019 and 2023 security incidents rose at its 115 member libraries even as visits fell another 35%. Not a coincidence that visits are up, incidents are down. It's all about drug addicts, junkies, freaks, weirdos, et cetera, using the library as a home. So here's the twist. As Zach writes, if there are two people who represent competing visions for what libraries should be, they're librarian trainers Ryan Dowd and Steve Albrecht. They're friends, but their approaches are different. Dowd, who once ran a homeless shelter in Aurora, Illinois, is the author of the book, quote the Librarian's Guide to Homelessness, An Empathy Driven Approach to Solving problems, Preventing conflict, and Serving Everyone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where in the charter of libraries did it have anything to do with solving housing problems?

[Jamie Rubin]

He told me he originally wanted to title the book how to Run youn Library Like a Homeless Shelter. When I asked if he was joking, he said he wasn't. At least he wasn't sure he was. He has given seminars for roughly half of the nation's librarians, including most of the largest systems, and his influence is unquestioned. He is a giant in the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of library administration, so my guess would be he believes the downtrodden need access to this free service. Those of us who have jobs, we can afford to buy books or CDs or whatever.

[Jamie Rubin]

It's not even about the books. It's about. It's a place for bums and junkies to Hang out, wash your feet in.

[Jack Armstrong]

The sink, look at porn on the computers.

[Jamie Rubin]

And again, keep in mind this guy is like a super heavyweight in American libraries. His essential belief is that not only do the homeless have every right to spend their days in libraries, but that librarians should view their needs as a critical part of the job. He believes librarians should be trained to dispense Narcan. One of his seminars is called Jerks with How to Deal with Members of the Public who Are Being Jerks about Homeless Folks.

[Jack Armstrong]

See, that's a guy who believes that he's not just a Marxist who wants to disrupt the system. He clearly believes that the system did something to cause these people to be this way. And it's our job to, at the library, help them.

[Jamie Rubin]

I guess you're gonna think I made this up. His scripts for addressing problematic behaviors include examples like in his seminars, hey, I don't care if you urinate on the Harry Potter books, but the politicians have a no urinating policy. Therefore, I have to ask you to stop.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Jamie Rubin]

Dowd advocates for inclusion even when it comes. It seems to come at the expense of the library's environment. In Dowd's book, some people who complain about the homeless are everyday sadists. As for the body odor that permeates so many public libraries, he writes that, quote, there is a certain amount of odor that we can expect when we go out in public. Other people use odor as an excuse to vent their prejudices. Don't let someone's hypersensitivity or bias rule the day. If the smell isn't really that bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, an aggressive scent. That's the lecture I got at the city council meeting I went to years ago to complain about the homeless situation. And everybody cleans click their fingers. Katie, that was long before you're on the show. I went to the city council meeting and was complaining about the homeless situation, and somebody accused me of judging people by the way they look. You know, having preconceived views of somebody just because they're dirty and in rags.

[Jamie Rubin]

Screaming at a fire hydrant.

[Jack Armstrong]

And this woman actually used an example of. I was trying to park next to a businessman the other day, and he yelled at me. So you never know. You can't tell by looking at people who's mean and who's dangerous. And then everybody clicked their fingers.

[Jamie Rubin]

You're effing stupid. So I mentioned. I mentioned two people at the outset. I like that clip, by the way. Michael. The other fellow Albrecht dimension is former San Diego cop who's done library security training. For 25 years. He advises librarians to, quote, stop apologizing for measures designed to make their libraries safe and appealing. Some topics he covers in his webinar program include our list of challenging patrons from pets to pedophiles, and issues enforcing our code of contact conduct. He said, quote, we are losing control of a facility that has always been benevolent and peaceful for the community.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have lost, I think, would be a better term. I don't know about his library, but libraries I'm aware of have lost, not will lose.

[Jamie Rubin]

As I said at the outset, the only option, I think for us the saying is we've got to take shifts watching the hen house. We've got to get on boards, we've got to become activists on this stuff because the other side, quietly, and we didn't even know they're doing it, has utterly taken hold of some of these institutions.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't mind if you urinate on the Harry Potter book, but society frowns upon it. So I'm supposed to tell you something.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yes, I've introduced underage gay porn into this library, but you're a fascist for trying to get it out. Yeah, yeah, not anymore, friends.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank God flying cars are here, according to Volkswagen. We'll get to that story, among other things. Coming up.

[Jamie Rubin]

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Last week, the world's oldest baby was born from a human embryo that was frozen in the 1990s. Which is why when the baby came out, it said, voila.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good joke. So if you're ever, if you're of a certain age, you've been promised flying cars since you were a child. I know I have. And Volkswagen announced their flying car today and put out a video, which I watched. I wonder if I gotta believe drone technology had something to do with this because it looks like a very large drone. It's got four tiny helicopter spinning things out on the corners. Like you know the drone you buy at Best Buy. And then it's got a little fan one on the back that makes you go forward. So the four drone things lift you up and then the thing go, makes you go forward. And the video looks pretty darn cool. It can go up to 120 miles an hour. It's electric so it'd be quiet. And you go, can go an hour on a charge. 120 miles an hour. The biggest. Well, there's a couple of things with this. It's Volkswagen China.

[Jamie Rubin]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Volkswagen China. It says on the wings in big letters, Volkswagen China. Like you can't read the logo on the thing without seeing China. And it is going to be a be released in China. And according to Volkswagen China, the four seated vehicle will become the hot thing for the urban elite Chinese customers. It costs about $300,000. So it's an expensive vehicle. Urban elite will be traveling between Chinese megacity clusters for business and leisure very soon. In the first phase of its commercial use, it's likely to be pitched as a premium product for high net worth individuals. Like everything is whether it's short screen TVs or satellite dishes or whatever.

[Jamie Rubin]

And then as we learned a few months ago, air conditioning. A lot of innovative products have to start with the super rich. Then they get less and less expensive and mass produced.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I could see this. We're headed towards a world in which everyone will be able to operate aircraft even without a pilot's license. Says the guy that runs Volkswagen China.

[Jamie Rubin]

Point of order, Mr. Chinese, German, German, Chinese guy. They got pilot's licenses for a reason.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I jumped in my cyber truck today. Press, press the work button and the truck drove me to work. I didn't really do anything. And that's the way the, that's the way these things are going to be. You'll press going to Beijing for my meeting and you'll press a button and it'll lift you up and fly you there. So you don't really need to be a pilot. I don't see how this would ever work in the United States of America because I just don't understand how you would have like lanes and heights and track. I don't know how you'd manage the traffic if you got very many of these. If you had two rich people in each town and they coordinated, you might be able to do it, but no.

[Jamie Rubin]

They'D have a head on collision day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Three but if you got hundreds of them in your neighborhood didn't get but in China, an authoritarian state where the government will decide who gets them and everything, I could see it maybe working there. And that's going to. They're going to lord that over us because it's going to look like a better system. Like they're more advanced when everybody's doing this.

[Jamie Rubin]

Weren't you a militant extremist anti self driving car guy like two years ago?

[Jack Armstrong]

Correct. Okay, until I used it and thought this is pretty cool. We got a lot more on the way. If you missed a segment, get the Podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand Armstrong.

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[Jamie Rubin]

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Come on.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Half the country and one entire political party has an article of faith that Russia stole the 2016 election. Now how did they come to that conclusion? They came to that conclusion because high ranking Democrats, many of whom had intelligence titles that were bestowed upon them in the Obama administration, spent a lot of time and effort making an entire political party believe that. If you went to a Democratic fundraising dinner or political dinner tonight and got asked the question, did Russia steal the election? And you said no, you'd be booed off the stage. One party and half the country believes.

[Christiane Amanpour]

An election was stolen and that did.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not happen by accident and the election wasn't stolen. That's Scott Jennings on CNN yesterday. So here's I wasn't going to talk about this, but here's something you got to watch out for because this keeps happening over the last couple of weeks. So may I'll do it this way. I'll read from the Washington Post Today, Attorney General Pam Bondi has ordered a grand jury investigation into allegations made that Obama administration Officials broke federal laws while investigating Russia's involvement in the 2016 election, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity. So this is another one of those somebody leaking out of the Justice Department that I think are leaking against Republicans. They want to get this out there, which is a problem. The Justice. Back to the Washington Post. The Justice Department declined to comment on the investigation and it remained unclear whether prosecutors had settled on specific targets or crimes they believed occurred. Still, the development marked a significant escalation in the Justice Department's push to re litigate one of Donald Trump's long standing grievances. And this is all around the stuff that's come out recently. Pam Body claiming that she's got plenty of evidence to show that the initial reports were there's nothing to see here. And Barack Obama directed himself come up with a different report and claim there is something to see here. Which gets to what Scott Jennings said there, with all the Democrats running around claiming Trump's entire first term that the Russians stole the election. And half the country believes that. And then when you get into these arguments all the time, you'll have people like me, you or other people that lean this direction saying there's no evidence Russia stole the election. And then the other side will say there's mounds of evidence that Russia interfered in the 202016 election. Mounds of evidence. Okay, now see, we're talking past each other. Russia did interfere in the election. There are mounds of evidence that show that there is not any evidence that they specifically were trying to get Trump elected and had an effect. That's what there's not any evidence of.

[Jamie Rubin]

Well, and honestly, their efforts to mess with the election in a general way were ineffectual and kind of silly.

[Jack Armstrong]

But so the left gets away with saying that's a lie. The Russians did interfere in the election. Yes, they interfere in all the elections. We interfere in a lot of elections. But they, they didn't have any success. They, they ran some Facebook ads and they're just trying to make things miserable for Hillary who they thought was going to win. That's it. So you got that as to whether or not this amounts to much? Well, first of all, here's a Greg Jarrett on Hannity last night.

[Jamie Rubin]

Comey Clapper and Brennan would probably invoke the fifth in front of a grand jury, but the people below them might do deals. And I think there are a cavalcade of whistleblowers willing to come forward.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, I've heard the pushback that with the Statute of limitations. It's unlikely anybody's gonna be charged with a crime or anything like that. Mark Halperin's analysis in his newsletter today was. That isn't necessarily the point. Brennan would be wise to spend less time on MSNBC and more time rehearsing a grand jury appearance. There ain't no statute of limitations on perjury. Right.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, that's. That's an excellent point. On the actual activities that we need to have a name, a quick nickname for Clapper, Bren Brennan and Comey, the CBC guys or something like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nickname Traitors.

[Jamie Rubin]

There you go. Perfect. In terms of a lot of what they did, the problem with going after criminally is they can say, no, I really believe that Trump was in league with the Russians. Turns out I misinterpreted the intelligence, and that is plenty of plausible deniability in criminal proceedings.

[Jack Armstrong]

But I'd be happy if they said that. At least then that would talk down, say, so quit going around, say it out loud. Have it be a giant news story. So the half of the country that still thinks Russia's told the election for Donald Trump will be, you know, talked down from that.

[Jamie Rubin]

But I was gonna say the. A couple of instances of absolutely clear lying under oath, though, that. That could be something. Oh, it'll take a hell of a lot of time and money, and those guys will get crazy, lawyered up. But it's worth at least asking the question. I think we, you know, to get back to first principles. You can't have your intelligence spooks fixing or attempting to fix our elections, our own elections, no matter how much they hate one of the candidates.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you think maybe that's true, that they were so convinced Donald Trump couldn't win an election, he had to be working with the Russians? You think they just convinced themselves of that?

[Jamie Rubin]

No, I think in the beginning, they might have plausibly believed that Trump had ties to Russia that were unsavory for a potential president. And I could believe maybe they were misguided, over enthusiastic, started to blur the lines of what's right and what's wrong. But then that. That news came out about Hillary talking to the Democratic heavyweights and Obama and all talking about, hey, we're gonna go after Trump for being tied to Russia. So, you know, any help you can give would be great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. And they may have violated campaign finance laws with that.

[Jamie Rubin]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

By labeling it as a. As a different cost than it actually was because it was. It was part of. It was part of the campaign.

[Jamie Rubin]

Right. So, you know, was it the chicken? Was it the egg? Who motivated whom? What was the origin? Where was the energy behind it? All of that stuff is nearly impossible to prove, but it stinks to high heaven.

[Jack Armstrong]

I had a really good point to make about that while you're talking.

[Jamie Rubin]

And the whole steel dossier, which everybody knew from moment one was fake.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Jamie Rubin]

But we're like, hey, no, you put it back in.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what I was going to say. I'm arguing against myself here. My idea that maybe they actually convinced themselves that he had to be working with Russia. Yeah, but they knew the steel dossier was fake. They knew that.

[Jamie Rubin]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that argues against my original.

[Jamie Rubin]

Well, only if they're thinking, yeah, throw everything in, including the kitchen sink.

[Jack Armstrong]

We gotta.

[Jamie Rubin]

We gotta bring this guy down. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a really bad thing that happened, and I don't know if there's any way to. Because you don't want to have that happen in either direction. I don't know if there's any way to, like, put the fear of God in the intelligence communities that they wouldn't do this again.

[Jamie Rubin]

Well, and if you are tempted to even give them the slightest benefit of the doubt, you got to look at the Hunter Biden laptop thing. Oh, yeah, or 51. 52 of them. Same people signed on, even though the FBI knew the laptop was authentic when they published that letter, said, oh, this has all y' all marks of U.S. russian information. Why would you say that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Because you are willing to lie to try to stop Trump from being president. That's why.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, Thumb on the scales. That's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you know, and Bill Clinton had it nailed the night of the election. That's one of my favorite parts of whichever book that was in. As the results were coming in and the hotel suite, they were watching the election results coming in, and Hillary was going to lose, and she had that giant glass stadium built for her to come out and give her acceptance speech of having broken the biggest glass ceiling of all time. Blah, blah, blah. Katy Perry was crying, Cher was crying. We all remember.

[Cindy Crawford]

It was, yes, yes, yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

I regularly describe it and stand by it as the greatest night of my life. Never been happier than that night ever in my life. Bill Clinton said in that hotel suite, according to various publications, I guess Brexit was real. He understood. There is. There was a big change that was going on in democracies, in Western culture, where, you know, the establishment was being thrown. He didn't say in that hotel suite. My God, the Russians hacked into our election system. He understood the politics of the day and that, you know, this could happen and did happen, but that's not the way it was treated for four years. I just, I don't think anybody's ever gonna.

[Jamie Rubin]

Dishonest.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think anybody is ever gonna pay a price for this. I really don't.

[Jamie Rubin]

No, I'm just trying to be practical again. It stinks to high heaven and it needs to be called out. But like the idea of one of these guys being clapped in the shackles, I just don't see it happening. Even if they were to like go after a Brennan for perjury, he'd plead out. I mean, yeah, all right, that's, that's not a reason not to talk about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

And again, brought this up last week, National Review was talking about this. These things can be settled politically. In fact, they were. There was enough of a backlash against the Hunter Biden laptop thing and a whole bunch of other stuff that Trump got elected again. That's the result. That's part of the result. That's, that's your, that's your penalty, Democrats, you overplayed your hand. And enough people were pissed off about it or don't believe you anymore that Trump got elected again. So.

[Jamie Rubin]

Coming up next segment, we're going to stay a little political. It's shades of Playboy's Girls of the Big Ten back in the day. It's Ladies of the left featuring the sexy AOC and Jasmine Crockett.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if I know Jasmine Crockett.

[Jamie Rubin]

Oh, you do. You, you just don't know her by name, but you know her.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, I need to talk about my sailing lessons. What was I going to talk about later? Oh, luxury beanbag chairs, which had become a thing. I might get one. Why are you making that face?

[Jamie Rubin]

That's your beanbag chairs.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's your WTF face.

[Jamie Rubin]

Is that like saying luxury red solo cups?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no. You're so wrong. A lot on the way. Stay here.

[Jamie Rubin]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Christiane Amanpour]

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[Jamie Rubin]

And I'm Jamie Rubin, a former advisor to both Presidents Clinton and Biden.

[Christiane Amanpour]

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[Christiane Amanpour]

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[Joe Getty]

Bleach blonde, bad built, butch body, in a moment of panic was trying to escape a vestibule.

[Jamie Rubin]

It's the ladies of the left. Featuring Jasmine Crockett and aoc. Oh, girl, baby girl. I happen to come across a couple of stories about these two fine ladies and I figured I'd group them together. Maybe they'll accidentally kiss. So.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie, why do you have that face?

[Jamie Rubin]

Because I expect more out of Joe.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Jamie Rubin]

That was just an attempt to provoke Michael to play more clips.

[Jack Armstrong]

Don't expect.

[Jamie Rubin]

Don't even play.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, don't.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, yeah. You're setting yourself up for disappointment. Anyway, so a couple of things. First of all, AOC's longtime boyfriend. Companion. Fiance.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's right. She's not married. Can you for president as a single person? I suppose you can. Well, that's.

[Jamie Rubin]

That's the problem here. He is her spouse when it comes to accepting freebies that the legally married spouses of Congress people are allowed to, whether it's paid for travel or companion tickets or whatever. And she and her lawyers have made it clear that since they've been together a long time and are engaged, even though she hasn't had her engagement ring on in public since November of 23. Anyway, if it comes to getting stuff, he is her spouse and deserves it.

[Jack Armstrong]

But I don't have a problem.

[Jamie Rubin]

The only drawback to being a congressional spouse is you have to disclose one sources of income and financial holdings. But her same Lawyers argue that Mr. Roberts is not subject to those because he is not considered a spouse.

[Jack Armstrong]

You can't have both. I. I'm okay with. You get the perks of being a spouse just because you don't have the paper. It doesn't bother me. But. But you can't then do the other side where you don't have to do any disclosures.

[Jamie Rubin]

Right? So it's utterly unclear whether the guy is another Paul Pelosi stock genius using the information provided by his saxy girlfriend or not. But one way or the other, sweetheart, you don't get it both ways. Let's move along to Jasmine Crockett. This is the one I was really looking forward to. Give me some Crockett bleach.

[Joe Getty]

Blind, bad built, butch body.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that was her. Okay.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, that's a very, very short version of that clip. It should have done more. Give me. Give me 48.

[Jack Armstrong]

They understand the importance of standing for.

[Joe Getty]

What democracy is and making sure that it does not fall by the wayside. They understand that we have a Timu Hitler in the White House right now.

[Jack Armstrong]

That thinks that he is going to.

[Joe Getty]

Become the dictator of the United States.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay? Everybody's trying to figure out what's a Timu Hitler. What is that?

[Jamie Rubin]

What is that, like a cut rate Hitler, Katie?

[Jack Armstrong]

Is that right? So it's a knockoff. Okay, so it's like a fake coach purse Hitler.

[Jamie Rubin]

Okay, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Super cheap, made in China, that kind of thing.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, Hitler. So if you hear a really, like, mouthy, sarcastic, now you listen here. Out of the US Congress, it's probably Jasmine Cross.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that was just yesterday. She was talking about the whole Texas redistricting thing and we have a Teu Hitler.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah. So anyway, Jasmine. Jasmine Crockett, who the left loves because she's loud and obnoxious. She's a hero on msnbc. As the Free Beacon writes, she has no real accomplishments to speak of, apart from some meaningless awards for, like being named Advocate of the Year at the Webby Awards for a commitment to social justice.

[Jack Armstrong]

I understand. I don't like that. This is where we are. But the people that understand where we are, I don't see how you can really knock the people.

[Jamie Rubin]

This is where we are.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is the way it works now, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Trump himself. You get attention, you get on Fox News, you get on msnbc. Nobody cares if you legislate anymore. This is not the government we've decided.

[Jamie Rubin]

We want for some reason. Well, everyone knows it. You're ruining the fun, but that's your trademark. But anyway, moving along. Crockett is also the star of numerous YouTube videos with claps back in the title. So there's that. Whether she's denouncing Hispanic Trump voters for having a slave mentality or deriding the white tears of her critics, she knows how to get attention.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know. I think that's really interesting. The people that have understood, who've grasped the moment we're in and playing their cards so well. I think that's really clever.

[Jamie Rubin]

So here's how bad it is, though. On Sunday, the Atlantic published a big profile of her. And alas, even the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. How about that? I mean, this will ruin our country. The fact that you get a profile for playing the game of getting attention.

[Jamie Rubin]

Well, wait, though, there's much more to this. So on Sunday, the Atlantic published an article that might have accomplished the goal of burnishing a reputation. Glowing profile, blah, blah, Blah. Alas, even the liberal journalists were repulsed by her toxic narcissism.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Jamie Rubin]

As a sign of how poorly it went, the congressman called the Atlantic. Atlantic reporter who wrote this, Elaine Godfrey, days before the story came out, to complain that the journalist had been contacting her colleagues in the House for comments, quote, without telling her first. And she proclaimed that she was, quote, shutting down the profile and revoking all permissions, which isn't a thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

You revoked my permission.

[Jamie Rubin]

So the article portrays Crockett as a self infatuated wannabe influencer who, quote, monitors social media engagement like a day trader checks her portfolio.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's.

[Jamie Rubin]

She brags. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's interesting that those qualities seem to go together because all of them that that are have figured out influencer is the coin of the realm. Now they all seem like narcissist weirdos.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah. And I guess the Atlantic, or at least this reporter is old school enough that she. She hammers her for it to a pretty good extent.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good.

[Jamie Rubin]

Make sure. Let's see. She brags about having the largest social media following on the House Oversight Committee, which, you know. Come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Jamie Rubin]

House Oversight Committee plus social media, please. Fireworks. Let's see. Made sure to notify the reporter that her YouTube rant about ICE agents being out of control was approaching 800,000 views. To your point earlier, how much more.

[Jack Armstrong]

Important is the number of followers you have versus your years in Congress or whatever?

[Jamie Rubin]

Utterly meaningless. During many of our conversations, writes the journalist, Crockett wore acrylic nails painted with the word resist instead of set of heavy lashes over her brown eyes, which Marjorie Taylor Greene commented on the lock screen on her phone is a headshot of herself. And she goes into how unpleasant she is to work with and how she screamed at a staffer in the middle of an interview. Blah, blah, blah. But here's my favorite part. We barely have any time. At one point, Crockett appears to invent an origin story out of thin air. Much like Kamala Harris at McDonald's, she recalls working for a black female attorney after she and other students at Rhodes College in Memphis received an anonymous letters containing racist threats. The attorney became Crockett's hero, inspired her to attend law school herself. When I asked for the name of the hero so I could interview her, Crockett told me she did not remember. The reporter's subsequent efforts to track down the inspirational figure were unsuccessful. She doesn't appear to exist.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your lock screen photo is a headshot of yourself is a interesting thing.

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[Christiane Amanpour]

Still using yesterday's tech upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 carbon ultralight. Ultra powerful and built for serious productivity with Intel Core Ultra processors, blazing speed and AI powered performance. It keeps up with your business, not the other way around.

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[Jamie Rubin]

And I'm Jamie Rubin, a former advisor to both Presidents Clinton and Biden.

[Christiane Amanpour]

We were married for 20 years and divorced for seven. Now we've joined forces on the X Files to make sense of how we ended up with no world order. Listen to Christian Amanpour presents the X files on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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