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Hannah Jewell
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Michael
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.
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Jack Armstrong
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Joe Getty
Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Enough. Here.
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Michael
Here's live from Studio C. Si, senor.
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Jack Armstrong
Wednesday. Dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound.
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Michael
Cameras everywhere.
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Jack Armstrong
In case anybody tries to kill themselves or do anything or somebody tries to sneak in and strangle us, we'll have it on tape.
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Michael
Dershowitz is standing by.
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Jack Armstrong
And today we are under the tutelage.
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Michael
Of our general manager, Jeff Bezos. Although in a greater sense, the free market. Today is a very special birthday, which we'll tell you about in a couple of minutes.
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Jack Armstrong
Okay, cool. I want to hear that. That sounds fantastic.
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Michael
The free market is a superhero. It makes Superman look like, I wish I had a punchline. But the point is, it's incredibly impressive. My God, the good it's done. It's lifted humanity. It's healed the sick. It's lifted the lame. It's. It's, it's. It's done all sorts of good stuff.
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Jack Armstrong
Lifting the lame. Yeah, the lame need lifted.
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Michael
The idea that people think, we got to get rid of capitalism, we got to have socialism, man, you people are ignorant, just to a degree which I cannot explain. You have no idea how little you know.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, I told you, when we were in New York City, I took a picture of my kids in front of the New York Stock Exchange there on Wall street and talked about, this is the most important thing probably in America right here. This. This is why we're so rich and so powerful. Because we unleash humanity to go out and do what it can do in a way that other countries never have. That's why we're the most powerful country that's ever lived. This right here, Wall street, the free market.
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Michael
And every exchange is voluntary. It has to satisfy both sides or everybody does something different. The incentives to be better never end in the free market. One government, they don't exist.
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Jack Armstrong
One thing that I really appreciate, that my son, who is in A private school that they talk a lot about that, that I never ever heard ever in my life. Even back in the day. I don't think we ever talked about the free market and its importance in public school. I don't remember it.
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Michael
Right. This is something I think a lot about the evolution transition from. It's assumed. Everybody gets why liberty, including economic liberty, is so important. It's what the country was founded on. We sing songs about it, we have festivals about it. Everybody loves it and everybody knows it. And then that next phase was those who would overthrow all of it, teaching the kids to, you know, not love liberty and to think that this is a bad country, blah, blah, blah. And a lot of us were asleep at the switch and didn't understand that. No, no, you need to pass this on to your children overtly. It doesn't just happen by osmosis. You have to teach them. And I think now we're into that third phase, which is what you're describing, where whether it's people like us or the great people, and I salute them at your son's school are saying, no, we need to help people understand capitalism isn't like greed and exploitation. It's the opposite.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, we should. Let's get to the opening clip. Just because it's such a good discussion. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. Welcome to Wednesday, July 16, the year 2025, where Armstrong and Gideon, we approve of this program.
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Michael
Let's leap into action then immediately. According to FCC rules and regs. Here we go at Mark.
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Jeff Bezos
I'm Jeff Bezos. I'm the founder of Amazon.com three years ago came across the startling statistic that web usage was growing at 2300 percent a year. So I decided I would try and find a business plan that made sense in the context of that. And I picked books as the first best product to sell online because there are more items in the book category than there are items in any other category by far.
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Jack Armstrong
Interesting. That was 30 years ago today. Michael.
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Michael
Correct. Wow.
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Jack Armstrong
Because I always remember that for geez, a decade, the laughing story on economics was always Amazon, which still has never turned a profit. Jeff Bezos, who nobody knew his name at the time, continues his pipe dreamer, fool. Yeah, yeah. So I didn't realize that he. I never. Is there a book, there's got to be a book about Amazon and how.
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Michael
It got started and grew@Amazon.com if you'd like.
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Jack Armstrong
I didn't realize he started with books just because it was such a broad category with the expectation of going to other things. But I mean, is there ever been a more amazing free market? You couldn't start that anywhere else in the world but in America's story than Amazon. And then the way it changed everything and you know, including some things that.
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Michael
A lot of us would call negatives. But that's the thing about the free market is because no one controls it. There are things that you don't love. But don't succumb to the temptation to say, therefore I should be in charge of it, or the people I vote for should be in charge of it and pick the winners and losers.
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Jack Armstrong
And it's tough because, like, if you're talking about the negative of your local bookstore going away, I hate that. But then at the same time, I can get any book, any version of any book, any translation of any book, soft cover or hardcover, probably to my house. If you live in a city today, if you don't live in a city tomorrow, that's pretty freaking handy.
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Michael
Yeah, it's amazing. And the charm, the tradition, you know, whatever words you want to describe to, you know, to evoke the things that have changed that you kind of miss. I totally sympathize with that. But you know, John the hog butcher, Noel, a hog butcher is a little specific, but you know, your neighborhood butcher was charming and funny and the rest of it he was supplanted by grocery stores that had much more volume, much more variety, that sort of thing. Just nothing lasts forever in the world of economics and just you have to find that satisfaction in other ways, in other places. But it reminds me very much about the discussion of democracy. And it's the worst system except for all the rest that have ever been tried. Yeah, capital capitalism, or as I prefer to call the free market. It has some downsides, but man, the alternatives are horrific.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm not even willing to present them as downsides. It's just part of the process. If I understand why it feels like a downside, I'm in an industry that's going the wrong direction because other things are changing and there are new things coming about. Yes, I hate that. But you know, what do you. How would you stop it in a way that wouldn't destroy the whole, you know, everything we've just been talking about?
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Michael
You'd need a time machine for one thing. Just regulatory wise. Although what's interesting about our business is that while the deregulation radio, which was a terrible idea, took place and changed the industry forever, the advent of the Internet and podcasting and, and the rest of it would have brought that cataclysmic change. Anyway.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, it's funny, I talked to my kids. So we were in Key west, my son is on a bunch of different medications and somehow. Oh, we decided to stay an extra day. That's what it was. And me, I just counted out the pills. I didn't put an extra one in there as a dope. We stayed an extra day and I needed an extra, needed a pill. There was a CVS there in Key west and I talked to my kids about. I said, you know, there's certain things about like a CVS coming in. I'm sure there was a drugstore here, mom and pop shop that had been here forever and CVS came and drove them out of business. On the other hand, we walked into the CVS and they pulled up your prescription from 3,500 miles away and handed me a pill in like two seconds.
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Michael
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
So, yeah, you know that again, the free market, it's. It works his way around to whatever, generally to whatever serves customers best. Not always the best thing for you as the employee there. If something new comes along at some.
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Michael
Point today, I hope to get into this. Part of me thinks maybe we grab Craig the healthcare guru to join us in this. But you want an example? Example of an unholy combination of the free market, yet heavily government involved dynamics. The worst sort of crony capitalism. It's our healthcare system. I mean, that is a perversion of the free market that's just awful and doesn't serve patients. But it's so damn complicated. It's so important. It's one of the frustrations of this job that I wish we could help people understand our healthcare system and what's wrong with it and what could be done about it more effectively. But man, you'd need like two years in a good solid college, I think, to really grasp what's going on. Two years of classes. I mean.
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Jack Armstrong
Oof.
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Michael
I know, oof. But there are people making a hell of a lot of money and. Or getting a hell of a lot of money from lobbyists because all of us, our eyes glaze and roll up in our heads when we try to think about it.
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Jack Armstrong
Anyway, speaking of the free market, people who don't. And Amazon again, we'll have to talk more about that later. The 30 year anniversary. It's one of the biggest things in the history of capitalism. Amazon coming along. Wow.
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Michael
He's the fella.
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Jack Armstrong
Him and his weird wedding. I wish we hadn't. We were off that week. It was a week of 4th of July. I would have liked to have talked about that more. So strange. I just don't understand that personality at all. Yes, you have to be a certain sort of person that wants to walk out of a building 15 different times over three days and have people applaud.
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Michael
I'm intrigued by the young, scrappy, innovative entrepreneur who builds something that becomes a phenomenal success and then goes a little bit nuts. I mean, it's a fairly common narrative, whether Howard Hughes or, I don't know, a Hugh Hefner. There's a thousand examples.
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Jack Armstrong
It might fit in with that golfer clip that we got we're gonna play later.
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Michael
Oh, Scott Scheffler. Yeah. Believe it or not, we're gonna play you some clips from a golf press conference. It's a. Don't reach for that dial, please.
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Jack Armstrong
I suggested it, so that should give it some credibility because I have zero interest in golf and I didn't know who this guy was.
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Michael
Oh, my God. He's the greatest golfer on the planet.
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Jack Armstrong
I wouldn't have known him if he walked up to me and asked me for a dollar.
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Michael
He is one of the eternal stars of the sport. His name will be spoken in 100 years.
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Jack Armstrong
But I liked what he had to say about the purpose of life and that sort of stuff. As somebody who's been successful in their field. One other thing, speaking of the free market. The opposite side of the free market is communism. And the communist mayoral candidate Zamdi Nimdi is going to be in Washington D.C. today. He's trying to build more democratic support since no big time Dems have come out and supported him other than AOC. So she invited him to D.C. and he's going to be there. And. And he's. He. He already today is distancing himself from that whole globalize the intifada thing that he refused to condemn.
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Michael
Barely, right?
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Jack Armstrong
Barely. Very weakly. Yeah, but we'll have to talk about him later.
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Michael
Oh, I've got all sorts of great Mumdani stuff. Mumdani the Commie Epstein continues to be a story.
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Jack Armstrong
I. I don't know if there's ever been a big story. I get less than this one.
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Michael
Okay, here you go. If you can't beat him, join them. Here's your clickbaity Joe Getty teaser. Mumdani's attorney breaks his silence. What he reveals will shock you. Mom.
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Jack Armstrong
Donnie's attorney.
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Michael
Did I say Mom? Donnie, can I have a second take? Do we have enough tape there, Michael?
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, go ahead.
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Michael
Epstein's attorney breaks his silence. He says that's a Completely different story. Completely different. What he says will shock you.
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Jack Armstrong
But now Speaker Johnson is talking about Epstein and how they need to release the files and.
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Michael
What everybody wants to stay on the right side of the hardcore. That, that, that's that subset of MAGA that's super into this. Okay, the QAnon set.
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Jack Armstrong
Gotcha. Well, we will talk more about that and all these different things coming up a little bit later. We got Katie's headlines next there Armstrong and Getty.
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Elahe Izadi
When I listen to the news, here's what I want to know. Why this story matters, who's at the center of it and how the reporters uncovered it. And as a journalist, I want to make sure that's what you get too. I'm Elahe Izadi, co host of the podcast Post Reports. Every weekday, my colleagues and I at the Washington Post give you the context you need on the biggest stories. Health care tariffs, artificial intelligence. We've got you covered. Look for Post reports wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Jack Armstrong
Most underappreciated story right now is those inflation numbers. It was a little bit. But the key is if it turns out this is, this is the beginning of inflation really growing because the whole tariff thing like many, many economists predicted.
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Michael
Simultaneously there was a notable lack of growth in any industry that depends on illegal immigrants. I really, it was interesting to read the Wall Street Journal just state that, yeah, there are, there are serious sectors of the economy that depend on illegal immigrants. That's the system we've built.
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Jack Armstrong
I don't know if America can handle another round of big inflation. I can't imagine how we would react.
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Michael
Let's figure out who's reporting what it's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie?
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Katie Green
All right, guys. Well speaking of inflation, starting with cnn, US Wholesale inflation was unchanged last month despite tariff rollout.
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Michael
Yeah, the we'll get more into this later. But there were a lot of things that companies and businesses and importers did preemptively when they heard there are tariffs coming so that the, they could put off the impact and that period is going to run out soon. Go back to you from ABC.
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Katie Green
Ukraine braces for Trump's 50 day window amid escalation, escalating Russian strikes.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, Putin isn't backing off. What his game is, I don't know. His game might just be I'm trying to take over Ukraine no matter what anybody says or does.
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Katie Green
From the Free Beacon, Israel begins talks with countries that could take in Gazans under Trump's plan.
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Michael
Yeah, really interesting. Cleaning the house.
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Katie Green
USA Today nude photos for cash. Illegal immigrants go to new lengths to raise funds to cover legal fees.
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Jack Armstrong
Like Only Fans.
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Katie Green
Like only fans and GoFundMe.
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Jack Armstrong
So if you're a hot illegal and you get detained, you go to Only Fans to afford a lawyer.
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Michael
There you go.
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Jack Armstrong
That's an interesting wrinkle.
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Michael
Hey, hey. It's the free market again.
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Jack Armstrong
It is. It's fantastic.
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Katie Green
From the Washington Post, the rich are pre selecting their children based on their genes and calling it the future of making babies.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh boy, oh boy. We got to get into that story.
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Michael
Humanity, don't buy any green apples. Humanity. I don't like your chances. Or green bananas.
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Katie Green
From the New York Post, Gen Z and millennial women are now rejecting once trendy breast implants and face fillers. This is called the glow down trend. And they're dissolving lip fillers and removing implants.
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Jack Armstrong
Glow down. I didn't know about the lip fillers. I knew that the breast implants were seen as like something mom or grandma did for the younger crowd. Not cool.
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Katie Green
From CBS News, woman arrested for allegedly enticing Thai Buddhist monks into sex and then blackmailing them.
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Michael
Oh wow. Those poor lonely monks.
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Jack Armstrong
They hadn't even talked, let alone had sex.
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Katie Green
From study finds musical training may hold the key to fighting age related brain decline.
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Michael
Oh wow. You know that that rings true. There are a number of different things you can do with your brain that are difficult and frustrating. And that's the feeling you're going for because that's that indicates that you're actually helping your brain.
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Katie Green
And finally, from the Babylon Bee long line for bathroom as there's only one fire hydrant outside of furry convention Hilarious.
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Michael
Hilarious.
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Jack Armstrong
I get it. Animals pee on fire hydrants.
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Michael
Yeah, sometimes. Some do. Certainly dog in particular. Yes.
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Jack Armstrong
And if you're a furry dressed as a dog, be a funny leap that you go out and pee in a fire hydrant. Also, because you're playing the part exactly right. Right.
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Michael
You're really, really taking it to the some good stuff.
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Jack Armstrong
So I hadn't read what Epstein's lawyer, the famous, famous Alan Dershowitz, wrote yesterday. It's pretty interesting. Yeah.
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Michael
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Huh. I'll be darned. Did he commit suicide with help?
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Elahe Izadi
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Joe Getty
I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey, they were made up by Obama, they were made up by the Biden. You know, and we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, with all of the different things that we had to go through. We've gone through years of it. But she's handled it very well and it's going to be up to her. Whatever she thinks is credible, she should Release.
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Jack Armstrong
So, okay, we're about to get into more of what Trump said yesterday, which has. It's. I have no idea if this is important or not. I lean toward thinking it's not. I think mainstream media is making a big idea, a big deal out of this because they see division in MAGA world and they got nothing else to attack Trump on because things are going his way right now.
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Michael
Well, and they've shown great delight through the years in portraying anybody on the right as a wackadoodle conspiracy theorist, even when the truth was 100% on our side. See Covid in its many aspects.
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Jack Armstrong
Thankfully. It's just luck that I happen to know a couple people too. I mean, actually two. I only know two in my whole life, or at least that have said it out loud, but that I knew a couple of people who actually were voting for Trump. Mainly because there is a child pedophile ring run by the powerful in politics and business in this country that's been going on for decades. Hundreds of thousands of children being trafficked around the world and it needs to be stopped. That was the main reason they voted for Trump.
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Michael
Wow.
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Jack Armstrong
And it's all around. And Jeffrey Epstein is the key to it. He was a Mossad agent blackmailing people, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so with that being said, this next chunk that Trump said is a pretty big shot at that crowd. Here we go.
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Joe Getty
I don't understand it, why they would be so interested. He's dead for a long time. He was never a big factor in terms of life. I don't understand what the interest or what the fascination is. I really don't. And the credible information has been given. Don't forget, we went through years of the Mueller witch hunt and all of the different things. The Steele dossier, which was all fake, all that information was fake. But I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It's pretty boring stuff. It's sorted, but it's boring. And I don't understand why it keeps going. I think really only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like, like that going. But credible information, let them give it anything that's credible. I would say let them have it.
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Jack Armstrong
Now, I have no idea how many thousands or millions of people, their MAGA inclinations are driven by the child pedo ring thing that they, that you believe, if you're listening right now. But Trump calling it the same as the Russia hoax that was perpetrated. And it's boring and you. And it's bad people that are trying to keep this alive. I don't know how that lands.
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Michael
Yeah, I don't know about driven by, but I was really struck by the unanimity of the reaction at that Turning Point USA gathering that we played the audio of this week, where various speakers said, are you satisfied with the Jeffrey Epstein outcome? No. I mean, they went crazy.
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Jack Armstrong
Again, I think it's worth pointing out that that was a young crowd. And of course, it's young people that tend to be into this story because it's an entirely online story. It wasn't being reported anywhere else. If you watch. If you read newspapers, like actual newspapers, and watch TV news, like anybody over, I don't know, 45 or 50 or.
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Michael
Maybe even including aggressive conservative outlets, they.
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Jack Armstrong
Weren'T covering this at all. You would be. Com. Use my parents as an example, have to be completely unaware of this story, that it exists at all. The pedophile ring. However, if you're younger and you get all of your News online and 0 of it from mainstream media, this is a giant story for you, I guess.
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Michael
Yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny, I was just thinking about one of the. The hallmarks of these things is that everything they say is unfalsifiable. And the reason that thought popped up is I was picturing Charlie Kirk himself the other day. We played the audio I should ask for it, came out and said, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to talk about this anymore. For now. I trust the people within the administration. He got a call from Donald Trump who said, hey, this is. This is really a distraction and screwing up the good things we're doing. And so Charlie said, okay, I won't talk about it anymore. Now the question pops up if it was a cabal of evil child predators and he was one of the brave crusaders against it, and all it took was a single call from Trump to flip him. What's missing there? But then the answer would be, well, they got to him. They got to him.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, he changed his tune a little bit in the last 24 hours from that, though. And I don't. Did he really? I think it's because.
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Michael
Well, he. Well, go ahead.
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Jack Armstrong
I think because he recognizes his audience, which is the core of the MAGA world, that believes the Epstein stuff didn't like him saying that. And so Rogan went on a rant yesterday on his show about Trump's handling of the Epstein files, the Trump Justice Department, particularly about how they're covering it up. And then Charlie Kirk put out a statement, immediate credible action Items. And it's 10 things DOJ should move to unseal the Maxwell grand jury testimony, bring a cost in for a full interview to find out what he knew about Epstein working for Foreign Intelligence. It's a whole list of all things that he demands that the Justice Department does in terms of getting to the bottom of this.
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Michael
I'll bet he got a monster backlash. A monster backlash from what he said.
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Jack Armstrong
He must have released the names of prisoners on the floor. Knight Epstein was murdered. Overruled the prisoner privacy rules. So that's, I guess the idea that the prisoners were the killers or. I don't know.
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Michael
Yeah, I don't know. There are a handful of these topics, whether it's the vaccine thing in general, not the COVID vaccine, but vaccines in general and autism or, or this or what are a couple other examples of the kind of out there, kind of fringy, sort of on the right wingy ideas. And just to pull back the curtains a little, whether it's Charlie Kirk or, or. Or us or Laura Ingram or, you know, any other commentator who's. Who's of the right, generally you have varying degrees of complete brutal honesty at all times. And then it moves toward the other end. The other extreme is complete pandering, Enthusiastic, profitable pandering, like Bongino is probably doing.
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Jack Armstrong
Who's now the number two with the FBI department and Cash Patel.
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Michael
Yeah, absolutely. They made. They made a good money. And I could name other people, but I don't particularly want to get in the fight. I got a tea time later. But in between those two extremes are various levels of. I don't want to run those people off, even though I think they're wrong, or in some cases, even though I think they're nuts. Varying levels of that. And what you're seeing from Charlie Kirk, who was way down the road. And I love a lot of things that Turning Point USA does. I mean, among young people, I am thrilled with what they do. But he was way toward the end of, we're completely into this. We're gonna promote it, we're gonna push it. And, and, and I, I think Most of it, 90% of it, is complete bunk, personally. But now Charlie's in a different difficult position because, you know, he got the call from Donald J. And I think he knows precisely what he's been doing. And he thought, all right, we'll rein it in a little bit. But then he got on the wrong side of the energy of his audience, and now he is scrambling backward. It's interesting to watch anyway.
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Jack Armstrong
So what's the highlight from Dershowitz's letter. Alan Dershowitz, maybe the most famous lawyer in America, was Epstein's lawyer.
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Michael
Yeah, the insides coupon. Jeffrey Epstein. I was his lawyer. He writes, I know things that court orders won't allow me to disclose. Uh, ba ba, ba, ba. Because it is privileged or subject to court imposed ceiling orders. But what I can disclose makes several important things clear. Epstein never created a, quote, client list. The FBI interviewed alleged victims who named several clients. These names have been redacted. They should be disclosed, but the courts have ordered them sealed. I know who they are. They don't include any current office holders. We don't know whether the accusations are true. The courts have also sealed negative information about some of the accusers to protect them. Neither the Justice Department nor private defense lawyers are free to disregard court sealing orders. The media can and should petition the courts for the release of all names and information so the public can draw its own conclusions. There have also been speculation about incriminating videos taken by hidden cameras in Epstein's guest bedrooms. There are videotapes, but they are of public areas of his Palm Beach, Florida home. Epstein reported the theft of money in a licensed firearm from a drawer in his living room. So the police installed a video camera. I am not aware of video cameras in guest bedrooms. Uh, then he, he deals with the Trump relationship, but it. There's practically none. It is clear from the evidence that Epstein committed suicide. What isn't clear is whether he was assist jail personnel.
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Jack Armstrong
That's interesting. If you're assisted in your suicide. I'm not sure it was a suicide, of course.
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Michael
Yeah, it absolutely was, 100%. And this is what I've suspected all along. In fact, I've said it on the air once or twice, but it seems likely to me based on the evidence of allegedly broken cameras, transfer of his cellmate, and the absence of guards during relative relevant time periods. He was a very rich guy who'd lived a life of debauchery and pleasure and was gonna live the rest of his days in a cage eating crap food off a tray. And so he decided to off himself. That's very easy thing to picture.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, that's what I believe from the beginning. But what does assisted in his suicide mean?
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Michael
They turned a blind eye. They transferred his cellmate. They didn't inspect the cell for long enough to let him die because they.
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Jack Armstrong
Wanted him to commit suicide or knew.
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Michael
He wanted because he got him paid.
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Jack Armstrong
He paid them to. Yes.
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Michael
Well, I was about to get there. Yeah. I mean, any, anybody in the Prison or jail system can tell you. People reach out to people outside all the time. You know, there are guys who run giant criminal gangs from jail. Sure. So, yeah, Epstein was able to get payoffs to guards.
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Jack Armstrong
So you think your current working theory is he paid a variety of people to make it easier for him to kill himself?
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Michael
Essentially, yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Interesting.
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Michael
Listen, I need you to not come by the cell for an hour Thursday night. Whatever. I'll make it worth your while. Sure.
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Jack Armstrong
Wow.
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Michael
Let's see. How about another important point? I have absolutely no doubt that Epstein never worked for any intelligence agency. Says Dershowitz, who is a Jew. Exactly. That's what the conspiracy people would say. And there's no comment, I think, needed on that beyond what we've already said. Dershowitz goes on to say, though, if he had, he would surely have told me and his other lawyers who would have used that information to get him a better deal. He wasn't satisfied with the so called sweetheart deal he got, which required him to spend a year and a half in local jail and register as a sex offender. My sources in Israel have confirmed to me he had no connection to Israeli intelligence. That false story recently peddled by Tucker Carlson probably emanated from credible allegations that Robert Maxwell, father Epstein's former girlfri Lane Maxwell, worked with the Mossad.
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Jack Armstrong
Got. There's such a leap here. And we gotta take a break. But then we've talked about this so much. But there's such a leap here. I don't get. Cause it's. I don't think this happened, but it's possible that Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, you know, name your big powerful person, was at a party of Epstein's and had sex with a 17 year old, either on purpose or not knowingly. That's possible and believable. Wouldn't shock me completely. But even if that happened, how do you make the leap to Mossad and everybody running a child sex ring? Those are such different things. I don't understand the connection because that.
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Michael
Makes it a much more exciting novel.
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Jack Armstrong
But where's the evidence for that? I mean, there is plausible evidence for the first thing I mentioned. Right, but zero for the next thing?
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Michael
Well, no, not zero, just enough to sustain it. Just intriguing tidbits like her dad worked with a Mossad. That's all you need to know. To which I reply, no, that's not all I need to know. My dad dealt with nuclear weapons when he was in the air Force. It's all classified, so I don't know much about it. I don't know which end of the nuclear weapon the on button is. Come on.
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Jack Armstrong
All right.
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Michael
But folks, you're going to believe what you want to believe. We can still be friends is this. And if it turns out you're right, I will jump on the air, I will turn on my microphone and I will say I was wrong and you were right.
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Jack Armstrong
And nobody told us to say this. By the way, we're not being paid. Or now that Trump's come out and.
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Michael
Called it boring and a non story, they threatened me. They threatened that they would kick my dog if I didn't stand up for Jeffrey Epstein.
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Jack Armstrong
Now that Trump's called it boring in a non story, does it go away? I guess we'll watch that over the next 24 hours. We got Mailbag on the way.
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Michael
Next Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Nvidia is the most viable company in the world. If you ever want to answer a trivia question about that. The most valuable company in the world. As of a week or so ago.
- [36:49]
Michael
The most valuable company.
- [36:51]
Jack Armstrong
It's worth $4 trillion. Why didn't I buy stock in that E?
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Michael
Well, it's too late now, said people two years ago, a year ago, six months ago, four months ago, two weeks ago, three days ago. Blah blah blah. And it keeps going up. Here's your freedom loving quote of the day from the great Thomas Sowell, still celebrating his 95th birthday. My favorite thinker. Certainly in your top five. Elections should be held on April 16, the day after we pay our income taxes. That is one of the few things that might discourage politicians from being big spenders.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, he probably said that long before we reached the point that half of people don't pay taxes.
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Michael
Yeah, yeah, it's a good point. So insidious but successful political strategy. Mailbag. Drop us a note mailbagarmstrongygetty.com if you like. Keep it as short as you can. Let's see, on the topic of conspiracy theories, John says we talked about that a great deal in the fourth hour of yesterday's show. If you missed a Grab it via podcast Armstrong, you get on demand. You should follow us or subscribe. The one thing every human has to understand is that human nature never changes. Slavery, wars of conquest. It's been happening for thousands of years everywhere. It's really that simple. Hug your kids, live your life. Especially if you're born American. I feel sorry for and have compassion for people in many countries that don't have the protections and constitution that we have here. That's all. I'm going to grab my last beer for the night. Spend tomorrow running around from job to job trying to get crap done. Fortunately, my wife and kids and I will go to bed feeling safe.
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Jack Armstrong
I say that all the time. You should think every day. You live in the United States where there's zero chance a rocket is gonna rain in to your house today. Zero.
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Michael
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
That's not lots of places.
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Michael
One of the most interesting things I have ever learned about psychology is that human beings seem to have a set point for how much they need to worry. And if they have little or nothing to worry about, they invent things to worry about because they have to have that. It's part of our animal psychology. Let's see. How about this JT and Livermore. I agree with Joe that the best way to discredit lefty ideas is to implement them. Unless it isn't. Take the teacher. For the record, I don't advocate implementing them. I'm just saying if they are implemented, they will be the most, you know, scathing indictment possible of those policies. But anyway, take the teachers unions. They implemented their policy of getting rid of phonics, the most successful reading program in the history of the world and replaced it with an unproven whole word concept that created worse outcomes for many, many children.
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Jack Armstrong
Man and I had my kids lived through that era.
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Michael
They were betrayed. They were seriously betrayed. While it did expose the left's willingness to experiment with children's educations, absent any proof that their new and improved concept was better than phonics, the price for exposing their stupidity was way too high. Namely a generation of children that have lower and worse reading outcomes. Or take Biden's open border policy. It exposed the stupidity of the left's love affair with illegal immigration, but at the cost of education, health care, culture, to say not of the financial cost. Voting in Mamdami in New York would be like those examples. Sure, it would once again discredit the ideas of the left, but at a cost that is simply too high. So I'd like to amend your philosophy. The best way to discredit lefty ideas is to implement them, but only if they can be confined to being implemented against lefties and only lefties. Let liberals opt in for the whole world reading and new math and restorative justice, but don't expect me to fund their failures. Amen to that, brother.
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Jack Armstrong
Booyah.
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Michael
Truth for the win, as they say.
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Jack Armstrong
Truth bomb.
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Michael
That's right.
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Jack Armstrong
I was just watching a video on CNN with China's best robots, the robot dogs and robot athletes which they're gonna use as soldiers. Horrifying. Absolutely horrifying.
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Michael
We've got more to talk about. Stay with us, Armstrong and Getty.
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