I Hate You & I Hope You Get A Rash

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "I Hate You & I Hope You Get A Rash"

Date: January 23, 2026
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty (plus producer Katie)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This fast-paced episode of Armstrong & Getty is an entertaining and rant-driven journey through American culture, media, and politics. The hosts kick off by dissecting a viral local story about people lining up for a new Costco, then dive deep into controversy over New York Times political reporters grilling American tennis stars at the Australian Open. The show’s second half tackles viral images of family separations at the border, the ethics of blame, weather misery, a money-saving trend, musings on AI in art, and football. Throughout, Armstrong, Getty, and Katie are in feisty, sarcastic, and sometimes exasperated form, with frequent memorable one-liners and playful banter.

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Key Topics & Timestamps

1. Costco, Scarcity, and Modern Status Symbols

00:29 – 03:09

• Jack mocks Sacramento locals for waiting outside in the cold for a new Costco to open, questioning the obsession with “being first” at new stores.
• Reveals that it's actually about special, rare bourbons available at deep discounts to draw crowds.
• Katie: “There is rampant fetishization of certain bourbons… It might be incrementally better than something a tenth of its price. But because it’s rare and because you having it elevates you… there's a lot of that in wine too.” (02:24)
• Armstrong relates to similar scarcity-driven mania for coffee beans.

2. Media, Tennis, and Political Gotcha Questions

03:30 – 11:00

• Discussion shifts to the Australian Open, where NYT/Athletic reporter Owen Lewis repeatedly tries to coax U.S. players into political commentary about America under Trump’s presidency.
• Audio clips of the players ducking the questions: Taylor Fritz, Amanda Anisimova, Jessica Pegula, and Madison Keys.
• Hosts are incensed, calling the reporter an “asshat,” “jerk,” and “dick,” accusing him of setting athletes up for controversy.
  • Jack Armstrong: “You take these young people… and try to put them in an awkward position, hoping they'll say something you can exploit. God, you're a bad person.” (05:14)
  • Katie: “Would you stop, please? Get it out of your book reviews, get it out of your freaking recipes…” (08:48)
• Repeated references to the NYT’s “injecting politics into everything” culture.

3. Social Media & Typos

09:45 – 12:06

• Katie complains about mistweeting due to a typo, and the unfixable nature of Twitter mistakes: “I tweeted a really good tweet and there’s a typo in it.”
• Banter about autocorrect and the AI “fixing” texts after the fact; Jack finds this sinister and annoying.

4. Storms, Cold, and Weather Misery

13:04 – 15:36

• News of a massive winter storm gripping much of the U.S.: extreme wind chills, shut airports, relatable cold weather anecdotes.
• Jack: “In Aberdeen, South Dakota... it's going to be 40 below. That’s the temperature with the wind chill.” (13:54)
• Katie: “Once you get into that 'I’m dying' zone, the incremental differences just don’t make that much difference.” (15:27)

5. Money Habits: ‘No-Spend January’ Trend

15:36 – 18:18

• Joe introduces “No-Buy January,” a viral trend where families lock their credit cards and must justify all purchases.
• Discussion on the ease of spending with Apple Watch, touchless payments; nostalgia for when cash was king.
• Stats: 25% of surveyed adults have tried “No Spend January.”

6. ICE, Family Separation, and Photo-Op Politics

18:21 – 27:36

• The viral photo of a 5-year-old boy behind a chain-link fence—purportedly separated from his mother by ICE—becomes the focal point for debate on border policy, media narrative, and what actually happened.
• ABC News reports vs. ICE’s version of events: conflicting stories about who “abandoned” whom.
  • Official quote: “They saw the young boy and they refused to open the door and take him back.” (24:19)
• Armstrong & Getty criticize viral stories driven by emotional imagery over “bedrock truth,” reminding listeners of earlier immigrant-toddler “cages” media cycles.

7. Football Banter & Athletic Evolution

27:36 – 29:53

• Prospects for the weekend’s NFL games: various rooting interests, jokes about team rivalries, comebacks, and storylines.
• Startling increase in professional athletes’ capability over time.
  • Jack Armstrong: “I feel like the athleticism is just on a different level than it was when we were watching… maybe once a year. Now it’s 10 times a game.” (28:43)
  • Katie: “These guys are miracles of athletic strength and speed.” (29:37)

8. Race, Politics, and Media Narratives

30:04 – 31:23

• A critique of how race is handled in the media and obituaries: Scott Adams and Charles Murray briefly discussed, highlighting “minefield” topics and the stupidity of pretending meaningful differences don’t exist.

9. AI, Art, and Harry Potter in ‘Apocalypse Now’

33:23 – 35:32

• Conversation on AI-generated content, citing a viral Harry Potter/Apocalypse Now mashup film.
• Katie: “[AI] shines and stinks like a rotten mackerel by moonlight. I am astounded and awestruck by it and horrified by it.” (34:29)
• Ben Affleck’s assertion that AI can imitate but not create “true art” is debated.

10. Teases & Odds and Ends

31:44 – End

• Promos for Armstrong & Getty’s fourth podcast hour and upcoming topics, such as why brains remember some things better than others.
• Joe Getty: “I have come across an Internet trend that I think is great, and it’s an actual trend. It’s got a silly name, of course…” (15:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “He is an asshat. He is the biggest of asses and asshats. What a jerk. I hate this person.”
  — Jack Armstrong calls out the political reporter (05:11)
• “Would you stop, please? Get it out of your book reviews. Get it out of your freaking recipes...”
  — Katie on the NYT's politicization (08:48)
• “You take these young people... and try to put them in an awkward position, hoping they'll say something you can exploit. God, you're a bad person.”
  — Jack Armstrong on media tactics (05:14)
• “AI shines and stinks like a rotten mackerel by moonlight.”
  — Katie, channeling John Randolph on AI’s double-edged nature (34:29)
• “The picture will be seen by many, many millions. And again, I don’t know that what that gentleman said is true.”
  — Jack Armstrong on viral stories versus facts (24:58)
• “He needs to go to that El Salvador prison... marching him around that El Salvador prison.”
  — Jack Armstrong indulging in hyperbolic fantasy about the reporter (06:52)

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Episode Structure

• Warm-up anecdotes—Costco & bourbon culture
• Primary issue: Should athletes be forced to answer political questions?
  • Series of interviews, reactions, criticism of “gotcha” journalism
• Pushback against politicization of everyday life & humor at the expense of NYT
• Social media and technology annoyances
• Major winter weather update and cold-weather nostalgia
• Trend analysis: “No Spend January”
• Immigration story: parsing the facts and the role of media imagery
• Lighter discussion: football, race/media, and the expansion of athletic standards
• Cultural byways: AI, creativity, and viral content
• Closing teases: upcoming topics and bonus hour plugs

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Useful For:

• Anyone wanting a witty, irreverent summary of early 2026's sports-media-politics intersections
• Those interested in how national and viral stories are filtered through a skeptical, sardonic media lens
• Fans and newcomers to Armstrong & Getty seeking a flavor of their signature blend of rant, humor, and occasional insight without listening to the whole show.

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Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed human.

[Joe Getty]

Broadcasting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio.

[Katie]

At the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Katie]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why is the New York Times trying to get our tennis player to bad mouth the United States?

[Katie]

Why?

[Jack Armstrong]

We know why, but we'll get to that in just a second. So here's a conversation that came up for one of our local segments that I didn't know anything about. So locally, where The Armstrong and Getty show broadcasts from the capital of California, Sacramento, California. There's a bunch of people waiting in line in the dark and the cold. Not cold by your standards, rest of the country, but cold by our standards. Waiting in line for a new Costco to open up. And I was mocking it. I always mock people who wait in line for things to open up. I just think the whole I need to be the first one to try this new coffee shop or whatever thing is just seems odd to me. Don't you have better things to do with your life? But I guess that's not just a.

[Katie]

Sort of status I've never craved.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

But apparently when a Costco opens up, and we got a bunch of texts about this, when a new Costco opens, they stock up on hard to get bourbons. And they mentioned one $350 bottle of bourbon that would was going to sell for $35. I don't know that that's not an ad. Don't hold me to it. It's just a text we got.

[Katie]

But a couple interesting kind of rings a bell.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'd never heard that before. It's interesting. So Costco, I'm a Costco member. They obviously have internal data that leads them to believe they've got enough people in that crowd to generate buzz that will get them on the local news. So everybody will know there's a new Costco open over here. I mean, well, right.

[Katie]

And just the visual of people lined up for days to get into your store. I mean, I don't care what you're selling. That's. That's great. That's great marketing. But yeah, that does ring a bell. Honestly. Because there are certain bourbons and honestly, you know, I like bourbon fine. I belong to a bourbon club. It's an excuse to get together with the fellas.

[Jack Armstrong]

Honestly, do you drink bourbon at the Bourbon Club?

[Katie]

I do. Indeed I did last night. Very, very judiciously.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you swallow it or spit it out? Like when people taste wine?

[Katie]

Oh, good Lord, how am I going to Forget my problems if I spit it out. Anyway, I will tell you this, though. There is rampant fetishization of certain bourbons in the world of bourbon. And it is a perfect example of scarcity being like its own thing, you know. And I'll get drummed out of the society for saying this, but people like, gosh, over how, oh my God, that's so incredible, that's so wonderful. It might be incrementally better than something a tenth of its price. But because it's rare and because you having it elevates you, blah, blah, blah, there's a lot of that in wine too, obviously. And it's all a scarcity.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I've learned recently as a non drinker. Coffee, Coffee beans. People go nuts over these limited edition coffee beans from small growers in various places.

[Katie]

Well, you know me, if it didn't come out of a civet cat's butt, I won't drink it. Oh, that's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I promised I was going to try that. I got to get some of the civet cat coffee.

[Katie]

Do it. Hell, I'll pay for it. I want to hear about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so this story is annoying. The there are four big tennis tournaments every single year. They're Grand Slams and the Australian Open is one of them. And it's going on right now. And our top tennis players, and I don't know the names of these people and it doesn't matter, but our top tennis players were playing yesterday. And then when you get done playing any sport, you go into this room, you sit down a microphone and reporters ask you questions. Well, for some reason, the reporter from the Athletic, which is the like sports spinoff wing of the New York Times and yeah, I bought it. Yeah, I hate the fact that I have to subscribe to it separately. Like there'll be a sports headline. I subscribe to the New York Times, a sports headline, and I'll click on it. I want to read it. And says if you'd like to read the whole story for another $20. What? I subscribe to the New York Times. I don't get your sports stuff. The hell. Anyway, the athletic reporter for the New York Times was there grilling our US Tennis players on politics. Let's hear the first one.

[Reporter Owen Lewis]

Congrats on the win. You know, I'm asking all the American players this and there's a lot happening back home in the US and kind of has been for a lot of the last year. And I'm just kind of wondering how you're feeling about all of them.

[Tennis Player / ICE Official]

I mean, not sure what we're like, specifically talking about, but there is. There is a lot going on in. In the US And I don't know. I feel like whatever I say here is gonna get put in a headline, and it's. It's.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's true.

[Tennis Player / ICE Official]

Gonna get taken out of context. So I.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the point. So I asked.

[Tennis Player / ICE Official]

I'd really rather not do something that's gonna cause a big distraction for me in the middle of the tournament.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's the name of that reporter? His.

[Katie]

He is.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's an asshat. He is the biggest of asses and asshats. What a jerk. I hate this person. We're about to hear more of these. I hate that guy so much. You take these young people who've dedicated their lives to playing tennis or at a tennis tournament and try to put them in an awkward position, hoping they'll say something that you can exploit. God, you're a bad person.

[Katie]

Not only that, as young Taylor Fritz put it there, he was the tennis player. He said, look, I'm in the middle of a tournament. I'm trying to earn a living. This would cause an enormous distraction to me, trying to earn a living. So, no, take your, you know, your muck raking elsewhere. I'm a tennis player.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, what a dick. I hate that guy.

[Katie]

We got more.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's asking Amanda. Anisa Mova.

[Reporter Owen Lewis]

I've been asking a lot of the American players just how it feels to play under the American flag right now, and I'm curious how you feel. Yeah, I mean, I was born in America, so I'm always proud to represent my country. Just to clarify a little. I mean, sort of in the context of the last year, of everything that's been happening in the. In the US does that complicate that feeling at all?

[Katie]

Just say Trump, you weasel.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think that's relevant. What a dick. God, I hate this guy.

[Katie]

I agree with you completely.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. God, that is so out of line. New York Times. If you don't fire that guy and apologize.

[Katie]

He was following their marching orders, I'll bet. Hey, get some comments about Trump from the players. And apparently don't mention Trump. Just a little hint around at it.

[Jack Armstrong]

How do you feel about playing under the American flag?

[Katie]

How do you feel about me punching you in the nose?

[Jack Armstrong]

He needs to go to that El Salvador prison. I want to see him in the T shirt with the white socks, bent over, holding his head down, marching him around that El Salvador prison.

[Katie]

That's your cure for a lot of things.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is I think that'll fix a lot that ills usually. Okay, here's another one.

[Reporter Owen Lewis]

The US Is a year into the second Trump administration now, and a lot of people are suffering. And I'm wondering how you're feeling about things back home, personally and specifically what the mood is like in Florida.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's a tough question. I feel, you know, I don't know, I don't like to kind of dabble too much into politics just because it's just not the space that I really want to say that much on.

[Katie]

Good for you, Jessica. Jessica Pegula. Is that how you say your name? Yeah. And. And these people are young, too, but all three of them so far savvy enough to say, all right, I know what's going on here.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then finally, tennis player Madison Keys, which I know this is interesting for one of my best friends who has a daughter named Madison Keys. That's her actual name.

[Reporter Owen Lewis]

How do you feel personally about what the Trump administration has been doing? And how has it felt to you when you've spent time in the U.S.

[Joe Getty]

I think my stance has been pretty obvious. I think it's pretty obvious where I stand. And I am hopeful that we as a country can come together and.

[Katie]

Get.

[Joe Getty]

Back to the values that I think make our country great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, some of those values would be not asking teenage sports phenoms political questions with the only goal of trying to turn it into a blown up controversy.

[Katie]

Right, right. That's awful.

[Jack Armstrong]

It really, really is awful.

[Katie]

Well, and just the whole injecting politics into everything all the time. Would you stop, please? Get it out of your book reviews. Get it out of your, your freaking recipes. Literally. Is the New York Times still doing that? At one point, you could not read a recipe without some sort of comment about how ugly the totalitarian US has become and how oppressive to BIPOCs and LBGTP. QRS TUV, a meatloaf recipe that will.

[Jack Armstrong]

Comfort you during the Trump administration, that sort of thing. And I'm not joking about a lot of those in the New York Times. Yeah, just get the politics out of that stuff. Oh, my God, that's annoying.

[Katie]

What is that reporter's name? I want a name. I want to name names.

[Jack Armstrong]

We need a name. Hanson. Man, if he is not in El Salvador soon.

[Katie]

So here are the things that I suffer from that cause me pain. I tweeted a really good tweet and there's a typo in it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, and you can't fix it.

[Katie]

It's too late to edit it. I. Yeah, you gotta.

[Jack Armstrong]

You Gotta. You can delete it. You gotta delete it and then re.

[Katie]

And then redo it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and the irony is the sentence was supposed to be this is beyond stupid, but it came out as this beyond stupid. So I sound like a caveman or Tonto or something short stupid. So not that Tanto was stupid. He was just a English as a second language learner. I don't want to offend any of our Native American friends.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got a Katie, you got a name for the asset? Yeah, the reporter named Owen Lewis is what I'm seeing. Couldn't hate you more, Owen Lewis. May you get an awful rash.

[Katie]

Wow. Wow. I was searching for something involving whacking fuzzy balls since it's a tennis tournament. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just.

[Katie]

I couldn't come up with anything that wasn't distasteful. Tie it in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trying to tie it all together.

[Katie]

Exactly. Tying it in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Katie]

Bastard.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

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[Jack Armstrong]

You know, did you actually make a typo or did it like self correct?

[Katie]

I.

[Jack Armstrong]

The thing I don't understand, and this seems to be happening more on my iPhone or whatever, I voice text a lot. It gets it right the first time and then changes it to Something wrong? Why does that happen so often?

[Katie]

I just tried to voice text dump something and I'm singing from your hymn book here. But it's getting worse. It's like aggressively bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it would be one thing if it doesn't understand me. But it did understand me. Then changed it to something that does. That is not what I said. What?

[Katie]

It's the AI thinking this fool doesn't know what he wants to say. We'll tell him what to say.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I find that really annoying whenever that happens, I think. I don't think AI is taking over the world anytime soon. But I realize that doesn't have anything to do with anything. What was the other thing I wanted to tease to catch up on? I don't remember. I'm sure it's good. It's coming up. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty, a 15 year old dog.

[Joe Getty]

A 15 year old dog was recently.

[Jack Armstrong]

Returned to his family more than 10 years after he went missing. So good news kids. And then almost immediately terrible news kids. So you got a big winter storm going on. And like I loathe national weather as a news story most of the time because it's just, it's just normal weather and unless you live there, you don't care. But this is one of the bigger storms in a very, very long time covering such a giant portion of the country. Amount of snow and cold. But I just looked up the 10 coldest temperatures predicted today in Aberdeen, South Dakota, where my brother was born. It's going to be 40 below. That's the temperature with the wind chill.

[Katie]

Oh, the wind chill.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is. As a guy from South Dakota, that's not unusual. I mean it's very, very cold. But it's not like oh my God, I can't believe this is happening.

[Katie]

If you live there, it's dangerously cold, of course equipped for it. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Milwaukee's gonna have -35 with the wind chill. Chicago, your hometown. -30. Bismarck, North Dakota, -50 with the windchill counting up. Duluth, Minnesota is expecting -55 with the windshield. And then Grand Marais, Minnesota, they're expecting minus 60 with the wind chill. Frostbite in minutes. Although I did one time as a kid in Wisconsin, we had school, it was -75 with the windchill. -75. That is a cold day.

[Katie]

And you went to school?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, they did have school. And the day I was born, I told the story all the time. The day I was born in Huron, South Dakota. Mom says I think we need to go to the hospital. And my dad has to go out and start the car in the middle of the night. I can't believe that a car in the mid-60s started. Of course you plugged them in, you had heater on them. If you're from cold weather, you know that it was minus 32 straight out. Not with the wind chill. That was the actual temperature. And my parents used to talk about that. And I thought, could that be true? And I looked up, went back to look at the records. It actually was that night, 32 below without the wind. God, that's cold. I don't know. I don't know what's the coldest I've been in, like, recent memory, but there isn't. There is. There's kind of a difference. But at some point my, my experience has been it's pretty hard to tell the difference between 10, 0 even. There's a 10 degree gap. It's just freaking cold.

[Katie]

Right, right. Once you get into that I'm dying zone, the incremental differences just don't make that much difference.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, it was.

[Katie]

There was a flood the night our son was born. That was, that was quite the dramatic evening. But. Yeah, right. What were we talking about? Oh, weather. Oh, the, the big freeze and the chill and wind chill and that sort of thing. Yeah. Well, God bless you all. I hope you get through it okay and your power stays on. Yeah, yeah, I'm interested. This is Michael. You might want to jot this down. This is a red letter day. I, Joe Getty, have come across an Internet trend that I think is great, and it's an actual trend. It's got a silly name, of course, that sounds trendy. No, buy January it is. People who like this family. It's family of five. And dad explains the idea. He's locked up the family credit card. Anyone who wants to make a purchase, including gas, well, fast food or any other potential items, you need to make the case for why this is necessary. And he said, essentially, it's just become so easy to buy things. And we buy and we buy and we buy and we don't think about it. Then we reckon with the bills and all. They set aside one month to say, all right, is this really necessary? And is it necessary now?

[Jack Armstrong]

Or this much of this would be my case. Sure. This often my paying with my watch, which I love from a practical standpoint with the Apple watch, just, you know, they tell me what something is, I just go, put my wrist there, bing. And out the door I go. And there's really not much of a process there for keeping track of how often you do this or that, how much you're spending.

[Katie]

I don't know how seriously to take this, but the folks at NerdWallet did a survey of more than 2,000 U.S. adults and found that more than a quarter have tried no spend January, with 12% joining the trend this year.

[Jack Armstrong]

No spend January. So that is the idea of, I assume, not spending anything beyond your basic needs.

[Katie]

Yes. I think, you know, you customize the rules to yourself. I mean, obviously you have to eat.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you don't have to doubt, right?

[Katie]

Yeah, exactly. You put caveats like that on it. I think that's great because it wasn't very long ago. Here's my old timeyou got any old timey banjo music to play, Michael it wasn't very long ago we were entirely cash. Society credit was extremely rare. If you didn't have $10, you wouldn't spend $10.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, my parents didn't have a credit card at all until the society got to the point that you really can't, you can't rent a car, you can't get a hotel room, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

[Katie]

Then they finally got one and froze and broke in half. They had to move out of South Dakota. Try again.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got more on the way. If you missed a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mentioned this yesterday. You hear about some of these abuses of ice, and I'm sure some of them are true, but I also am sure not all of them are true. And on each individual basis, I don't know when I hear, I think maybe that's true, maybe it's not. And I'm not going to take the time. Maybe I'm a bad person for that, but I'm not going to take the time to dig into trying to figure it out. I also think, like Trump said the other day, I just, I just, I think it's. If you let in 15 million people or whatever illegally and then the population votes for a guy who says he's going to get rid of him, it's going to be pretty hard to do it without ugly things happening.

[Katie]

Any of y' all ever done the wrong thing for a real long time and then had to sort it out? Yeah, it frequently has some bumps and, and painful spots for sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right wing talk show host.

[Katie]

Show host it, you know, but right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wing talk show host calls violating people's constitutional rights a bump. Jack Armstrong.

[Katie]

That was good. I like that. That was good. That fired me up.

[Jack Armstrong]

We, that's the thing. We do in.

[Katie]

Get on blue sky. Is that it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Tweet how cool you are.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's an ongoing joke in my house with my kids for some reason like when I almost do something or think about doing something or whatever. And we do the headline for it'll be known radio host and Trump supporter. Like last night I was pulling out of a grocery store parking lot and I didn't see a woman, thank God I did see her. But well known talk show host and Trump supporter runs over woman holding baby.

[Joe Getty]

Oof.

[Jack Armstrong]

My kids get a kick out of that for some reason.

[Katie]

Well, and then you ask her, I presume she survives. But ask her who she voted for and if she says Kamala Harris, then they get to say no. Talk show host and Trump supporter runs over Kamala Harris supporter with baby. Right, right. Hinting that it was pure malice.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I didn't know the details on this. This is one of the memes of the last like 24 hours. You got this cute little kid. It's like an extra cute picture of a five year old little Hispanic boy wearing a cute blue like cartoonish knit cap just looking as cute and as adorable as a five year old kid. Kid standing behind a chain link fence alone, looking very, very sad. And it is, it's a rough picture. I mean that's a kid who misses, misses anybody they know standing behind a chain link fence. And so the narrative was for the last 24 hours. Well, let's play here's ABC News last night on it.

[Joe Getty]

We spoke with school officials who were there saying that they consoled the boys sobbing mother after ICE agents took her husband and son away from her after they returned home from school that day. A lawyer for the family says they're being held at the Dilley Family Detention center that's down in Texas. And it's difficult to hear from them across state lines.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the, the story originally was. And then we're going to get into what DHS is saying today. But the story originally was that, you know, the evil ICE people separated this little kid from the kid's parents and now they're horribly sad. I don't, you know, it's all this is such a mess. Like we just said, you let in 15 million people and families and everything like that and then you got different rules for kids can be in this facility or parents. It's going to get ugly. It just. So the best way to handle it is don't let the 15 million people in in the first place. That's the best way to handle it.

[Katie]

Right? Of course, of course. Once that I'm so reminded and I don't, I don't even have anything but the cursory knowledge of the story, but I'm reminded so much of the kids with, I'm sorry, kids cages during the first Trump administration where they were at the very same facilities being used in the very same ways as when Obama was president. And it turns out, yeah, it was chain link to keep any adults away from the kids so the kids were safe. It was utterly fictionalized.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's ABC News's version of the story.

[Joe Getty]

School officials who claim to witness the incident say agents essentially used the five year old as bait, directing him to knock on the door to see if anyone else was home before taking him away. And witnesses claim multiple people, including the boy's mother, offered to take him. The school district says Liam is among four students recently detained. He and his father were flown to a detention facility in Texas.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I don't know what actually happened, but DHS is out this morning saying, look, what happened is the parents fled and left this kid alone. And so he took the kid into custody. And then what do we do? And then you end up with a behind chain link fence to keep the kid protected from other. So that whole situation. So I don't know, I don't know what the right way to handle this is if that, if that's what happened. But the.

[Katie]

I'd like to get a handle on the facts before I start talking about, you know, rights and wrongs.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, I don't, I don't, I don't know either. But the image which some people say is worth many words, hundreds, maybe even a thousand words, a picture of this little kid looking there, standing there super sad, all alone with the little knit hat on is, you know, pretty powerful.

[Katie]

So the higher ups in ICE are now addressing the situation. Do we want to hear their explanations? Okay, Michael, start with the first one.

[Tennis Player / ICE Official]

While other officers apprehended his father after conducting the arrest, my officer stayed with the child. They cared for him, took him to get something to eat from a drive through restaurant and spent hours ensuring he was taken care of. Again, my officers did that, not his father. My officers did everything they could to reunite him with his family. Tragically, when we approached the door of his residence, the people inside refused to take him in and open the door. Let me say it again. They saw the young boy and they refused to open the door and take him back.

[Katie]

Okay, so now I get it. I was looking at the Washington Post column by some flaming lefty and again, I don't know the bedrock truth of this, but the whole. They used, used him as bait. The Border Patrol is saying we are trying to get him back to his family, and the family thought something was going on and wouldn't open the door and take the damn kid back.

[Jack Armstrong]

That will not be heard by many people. The picture will be seen by many, many millions.

[Katie]

And again, I don't know that what that gentleman said is true.

[Jack Armstrong]

There have been people are saying things that aren't true all around on this story.

[Katie]

It did not sound like a lie to me. It had the ring of truth. Let's hear Greg Bovino, the head uniformed officer on ice. Many American citizens are separated when they're arrested, say by Minneapolis Police Department or any other police department. They are separated from their children when they're arrested. So take a look at what's happening here with this particular case. They're not being separated. That child is in the least restrictive setting possible. When I say that we're experts, both Border Patrol and ICE, in dealing with immigration cases that involve children, probably the most experienced anywhere in the United States by any domestic law enforcement agency.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right. This is an ugly situation.

[Katie]

The OC better get there and stare at that kid tearfully in a photo op. Quick.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is an ugly situation we've created and it's going to be hard to uncreate it.

[Katie]

Yeah, I would agree. I would agree.

[Jack Armstrong]

I keep using as an example our national debt of $35 trillion. When the rubber finally hits the road and we have to cancel all kinds of programs, some of them actually good that I might even like and cut back on Social Security money and raise the age. It's going to be horrible. But we created a really bad situation. And now the result, the, the, the fixing it, cleaning up is going to be ugly. That's what happens when you create bad situations.

[Katie]

Yeah. The longer you let them go, dot, dot, dot, stitching time saves nine ancient saying. We all know it. One more note from this is Marco Charles of ice.

[Tennis Player / ICE Official]

Let me debunk a couple more lies. Conejo Arias was not walking to school with his child, and we did not target the child. Arias fled from law enforcement officers and left his child behind again, middle of winter in a car.

[Katie]

Yeah. The truth is only one player on the scene. I can just see the progressives of the world, including the journalists, saying, well, yes, he saw the Trump Gestapo coming at him and he ran for his life. He panicked. Who can blame him for that?

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, just, well, I'm not gonna leave my Kid behind no matter what.

[Katie]

No, no. Can you imagine? Good luck, kid. Feets. Don't fail me now.

[Jack Armstrong]

More than 1600 flights have already been canceled for tomorrow ahead of this giant storm. Man. So I hope you aren't traveling this weekend. I'm glad I'm not because the airports are going to be a disaster all over the country. Even if you got good weather, do.

[Katie]

You either book a flight today or just give up?

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you have any rooting interest for the games this weekend?

[Katie]

It's tough. As an NFC west guy, a big Niners fan, I hate the Seahawks. And what's a Seahawk anyway? They're Ospreys. I've rooted against the Rams with great enthusiasm. The Donkeys lost their quarterback and the Patriots have won too many Super Bowls.

[Jack Armstrong]

So this is all new people, though. Same owner, but it's all new people. It's not like Tom Brady again. No, it's Drake. May, my guy. Drink May.

[Katie]

Yeah. I'll probably be rooting for him. Or, you know, I'll be rooting for the Broncos to pull off a miracle win. That kid who hasn't thrown a pass in. In three years.

[Jack Armstrong]

That would be cool. Yeah. And if that started to happen, I would be on the side of the Broncos, definitely.

[Katie]

Well, he was actually going to be the heir apparent to Tom Brady, from what I understand. But they. They told him, hit the road, you're a loser. So now he's got vengeance on his mind.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I was going to bring this up. I meant to bring this up the other day. Do you feel like. Because Joe and I are old, so we've been watching this sport for a long time. I feel like the athleticism is just on a different level than it was when we were watching. We were kids. The things these receivers do and everything. It's just like nothing like that ever happened. Maybe once a year. Now it's 10 times a game.

[Katie]

Yeah, there are a couple of reasons for that. One of the reasons is the rules have been changed so that it's much less likely you get crippled as a receiver or paralyzed or brain dead. So they can risk their bodies in ways that they wouldn't have dared with Daryl Stingley patrolling the defensive backfield or Chris Collinsworth. Right, right. So, yeah, that's changed. Plus, you know, fitness and training, year round training, nutrition, blah, blah, blah. These guys are miracles of athletic strength and speed.

[Jack Armstrong]

The. You are a different sort of beast. If you're like the cornerback or wide receiver and you got that ball coming and they do these millisecond Decisions on how to twist their bodies and everything like that and either deflect a ball.

[Katie]

Or catch a ball.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just stunning. I mean, you see him in slow motion. Think that that had to be done in real time. It's like a different beast. It's like I can't even relate to it.

[Katie]

Right, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And listen, I don't want to turn.

[Katie]

This racial because it isn't, in a way, but we shared the York Times. Ridiculous. Scott Adams, not biography. What's a. When you die, they have your obituary. The headline. Which is a popular cartoonist. Till he said something racist in his podcast. And I actually went back to what he said, and it was racially provocative and. And. And I understand why some people would not like it, but it had to do with differences between races and stuff like that. And Douglas Murray can tell you how incredibly dangerous and minefieldy it is. Not Douglas. Who wrote the Bell Curve?

[Jack Armstrong]

Charles Murray.

[Katie]

Charles Murray. Yeah. Different Murray. Not Bill Murray either. He did not write the Bell Curve, although he could certainly star in the movie version of it and that'd be fantastic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Big hit or the llama.

[Katie]

But anyway, you watch an NFL game, if there are two white dudes on the defense, that's pretty good ratio of white dudes. The idea that we cannot talk about, you know, differences on average between racial groups without it being quote, unquote, racist is just silly. It's something no adult should, you know, an attitude no adult should accept. And yet it's everywhere to the point that a beloved artist dies and he said something you thought was rude years ago. So that's in the headline of his bullet. His obituary. Come on. Yeah. I think to me, that perpetuates racism. It doesn't stop it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think we're going Rams, Patriots. Unless Denver quarterback starts to do well there, that's what I'm doing. That's my official line. I better go on price picks and do my thing.

[Katie]

Go, feel free.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have had it. I never know what to tease. What flavor do we want? Coming up.

[Katie]

Oh, I've actually got something really good. Totally uncontroversial.

[Jack Armstrong]

At some point, Zelensky, president of Ukraine, is weighing in on how the negotiations are going. This is the biggest effort yet between Russia, the United States and Ukraine to try to solve this thing. I don't think it's going to work, but we can get an update on that, among other things. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

The dramatic police chase and shootout in Northern California. Police cornering a carjacking suspect in downtown San Jose.

[Katie]

Authorities say the suspect tried to steal a squad car. The suspect was killed.

[Jack Armstrong]

An officer was also wounded trying to steal squad car. Bad plan. What is that you always say? If you're contemplating a life of crime, that means you're too stupid for a life of crime.

[Katie]

Yeah, it's proof. Yeah. Yeah. So I just had a realization about AI coming up. Oh, I'm looking at the clock. There's no freaking way we can do this in the time we have.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that was a bad plan.

[Katie]

I will tell you.

[Jack Armstrong]

We got up to the line of scrimmage, like 8 seconds. What are we doing?

[Katie]

Are you.

[Jack Armstrong]

This. This.

[Katie]

Never this effing. Never effing works. To quote Patrick Mahomes. Actually in hour four of the show. That's right. We do a fourth hour. You don't get it. Subscribe to the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why was I not informed?

[Katie]

I want to get to the. You're better off not knowing. We're going to get to the why? Your brain does so much better remembering things and learning things in some situations than others. I have been tortured by this question my entire life, and now I have the answer. We'll get to it next hour.

[Jack Armstrong]

I love that sort of thing.

[Katie]

I know it's really interesting, but the AI thing I was about to say the other day, Ben Affleck said, AI can't make a film. That is considered art. I just saw an AI generated short film of Harry Potter as a GI in the Vietnam War.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I tweeted that out over the weekend.

[Katie]

Oh, did you? Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, that's. It's on our Twitter feed. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's amazing, isn't it?

[Katie]

It's stunning.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you seen it, Katie? Harry Potter in. You need to know Apocalypse now to really enjoy it. But it's. It's Harry Potter and Apocalypse now, and it's really believable.

[Katie]

Well, it's set to a song that is hilariously jivey. It's kind of telling you the story that was. It really enhanced my. My enjoyment. But I realized my attitude about AI is a lot like what was famously said of John Randolph, the statesman who described Henry Clay thus. The great Henry Clay, the awful Henry Clay. He is a man of splendid abilities, but utterly corrupt. He shines and stinks like a rotten mackerel by moonlight. It's one of my favorite couple of sentences in the history of the English language.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that's what you think of AI.

[Katie]

I am astounded and awestruck by it and horrified by it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Katie]

It shines and it stinks. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ben Affleck's point, though, was creating. I mean, you are creating something. If you make a spoof of a famous Vietnam War movie and have Harry Potter in it, obviously, but it's not the same as writing a new thing.

[Katie]

He had no wand, just an M16 goes the song.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, and the different characters from Harry Potter playing the famous roles from Apocalypse Now.

[Katie]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just. It's pretty. It's pretty. It's pretty good. It's.

[Katie]

It's pretty amazing. But you're thinking like a story from scratch. Yeah. Boy meets girl, overcomes difficulties, blah, blah, blah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Still working on that novel.

[Katie]

Rising to the level of art. You don't think it will because so much of quote unquote art is just commercial formulaic crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gotta got a protagonist, do you? Overcome some hardship, is he? Maybe. Maybe some. Learn some lessons along the way.

[Katie]

A few more of my favorite sentences ever, ever uttered in the English language. That from the Family Guy, of course.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you've never seen that, go to YouTube and look for Stewie Brian about his novel.

[Katie]

Still working on that novel.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God, there's three episodes. I just watched him the other day with my son. It's so funny.

[Katie]

And then move on to over under.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we do do four hours. Joe did not lie. And if you missed a segment or an hour, you can get the podcast. Just subscribe to Armstrong and Getty on demand and then you get all your heaping helpings of this.

[Katie]

Why did you learn something so quickly at times and then struggle at other times? Science has the answer, and it's not age or anything like that, really. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fascinating.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

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