I Like to Exploit Family Members for Laughs

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "I Like to Exploit Family Members for Laughs"

Date: September 25, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this episode, Armstrong and Getty—joined by frequent contributor Katie Herzog—dive into the viral phenomenon of sharing anesthesia-recovery videos for laughs and social media clicks. They use this trend as a springboard for a wider discussion on vulnerability, personal boundaries, addiction, and the challenges of recovery. The team shares personal anecdotes, explores new scientific approaches to alcohol use disorder, and reflects on the complexities of addiction and the human brain—all while keeping their signature candid, self-deprecating, and humorous style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tech Talk: E-Readers and Reading Habits

[03:19–05:15]

• Jack recommends the Kindle Paperwhite, marveling at its "paper-like" screen and lack of eye fatigue compared to traditional screens.
  • Quote [03:39]: "The Kindle Paperwhite… it makes it look like paper. I don't know how they did that. It doesn't look like you're looking at a screen. It looks like you're looking at a page in a book. Groovy. And it's just completely different on the eyes."
• Katie Herzog jokes about the pronunciation (“Piper white?”) and admits to preferring the Nook app on her iPad.
• Armstrong is shocked Jack reads whole books on his phone due to distractions and discomfort.
• The crew reflects on the convenience of digital reading and varying preferences.

2. The Ethics and Humor of Anesthesia Videos

[05:29–09:38]

• Discussion about the Internet trend where people film loved ones coming out of anesthesia for comedic effect.
  • Jack [05:39]: "In theory, the people closest to you who care most about you, the first thing on their mind is, how can I exploit this for clicks and laughs on the Internet, right?"
• The group acts out and mocks typical anesthesia-recovery dialogues, highlighting their absurdity and vulnerability.
  • Sample exchange [05:52]:
    • “Are you rich?”
    • “No, I'm a nurse.”
    • “Definitely not rich.”
    • “I need sugar daddy.”
• Jack's Personal Anecdote:
  • Shares a story about possibly saying something inappropriate under anesthesia during cancer treatment; the awkwardness resulted in a markedly changed dynamic with his nurse.
  • Quote [07:43]: "No, I felt guilty about it for 10 years."
• Armstrong: Calls out the nurse’s response as unfair, noting you can't hold people responsible for words under anesthesia.
  • Quote [07:27]: “That’s dumb on her part. If she’s in the medical field and she’s gonna hold something you said under anesthesia against you, that’s dumb.”

3. Favorite Viral Anesthesia Moment

[08:52–09:38]

• Armstrong shares his favorite anesthesia video: a woman, not recognizing her husband, insists she’d never marry someone like him until she realizes he is her husband and starts "happy crying".
  • Quote [09:19]: “He goes, ‘Well, I am your husband.’ And she starts happy crying, she’s like really, like grabs on.”
• Group jokes about what could go wrong in such revealing, vulnerable situations.

4. Addiction, Alcohol, and New Science

[13:08–21:22]

• Katie Herzog introduces an essay by journalist Katie Herzog (not the same person), detailing a 20-year struggle with alcoholism (10–12 drinks a day), failed treatments, and the toll of addiction.
  • Quote [13:27]: “Not a big gal either. Yeah, that’s getting after it, I’d say.”
  • Most treatments worked only temporarily; even in sobriety, the obsession with alcohol persisted.
  • Devastating consequences described—loneliness, health breakdown.
• Introduction to the Sinclair Method:
  • Developed in Finland, involves taking naltrexone (an opioid blocker) before drinking, which supposedly eliminates the pleasurable “buzz” without stopping the physical effects like hangover or slurred speech.
  • Quote [15:42]: "This drug cancels your ability to feel any sort of buzz. Wow."
  • Growing in popularity but not widely known or approved.
• Armstrong, Jack, and Katie discuss the parallels to other treatments (like Antabuse)—which causes violent physical illness if you drink—but note that people can simply choose not to take it if they want to relapse.
• Broader reflections on:
  • The challenge of “fixing your brain with your brain” in recovery.
    • Quote [19:04], Katie Herzog: “…it’s said in the recovery community that you’re trying to fix your brain with your brain. And that’s a very challenging thing to do, obviously.”
  • The limited, often disappointing success rates of rehabs.
    • Quote [18:02], Jack: “I’ll tell you what doesn’t work. Rehabs… all practically useless. But it’s everybody’s first choice to throw money.”
• Neurological & Behavioral Complexity:
  • Jack relates the topic to his own experience losing his sense of sweet taste due to COVID—expecting cravings for sweets to subside, but they haven't.
  • Discussion extends to differences between biological versus psychological cravings.

5. Cautious Optimism

[21:00–21:22]

• Jack: Cites the cautionary tale of an author who advocated drinking in moderation and died in an alcohol-related accident.
  • Quote [21:00]: “There is a famous story of a woman who wrote a book about moderation or something… and she ended up dying in a drunk driving crash when she drank again.”
• Katie Herzog: Even if new treatments help a minority, that’s better than nothing.
  • Quote [21:15]: “And even if it works for, I don’t know, 20% of people, 10%, that’s better than none.”
• General hope that more effective treatments might emerge with better understanding of the brain.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jack [03:39]: "The Kindle Paperwhite… it makes it look like paper. I don't know how they did that."
• Armstrong [07:27]: "That’s dumb on her part. If she’s in the medical field and she’s gonna hold something you said under anesthesia against you, that’s dumb."
• Jack [07:43]: “No, I felt guilty about it for 10 years.”
• Armstrong [09:19]: "He goes, ‘Well, I am your husband.’ And she starts happy crying…"
• Katie Herzog [19:04]: "…it’s said in the recovery community that you're trying to fix your brain with your brain."
• Jack [18:02]: "I’ll tell you what doesn’t work. Rehabs… all practically useless."
• Katie Herzog [21:15]: “Even if it works for, I don’t know, 20% of people, 10%, that’s better than none.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• E-Reader Discussion: 03:19–05:15
• Anesthesia Video Trend & Ethics: 05:29–09:38
• Favorite Anesthesia Video Story: 08:52–09:38
• Katie Herzog’s Alcoholism Story & Sinclair Method: 13:08–17:42
• Addiction Treatment (Antabuse, Brain Fixing): 17:42–21:22

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Tone & Takeaways

Armstrong & Getty, with Katie Herzog, deliver a conversation that’s comic, honest, and occasionally vulnerable. They juxtapose the absurd with the sobering, treating Internet trends and medical struggles with equal parts irreverence and empathy. The hosts challenge conventional wisdom (especially about addiction recovery), promote open-mindedness toward new scientific approaches, and never lose their breezy, conversational banter—even when reflecting on their own regrets and past mistakes.

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For listeners looking for laughs, relatable struggles, and snappy commentary on culture and science, this episode is a fast, insightful ride—especially recommended for fans of candid personal storytelling and lighthearted debate about serious matters.

Transcript

[Jack]

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[Jack]

I like to exploit family members for laughs. It's one more thing.

[Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack]

One more thing. Before we get to that, I was just going to throw this out. I just saw an ad for one of these, so it made me think of it. The Kindle. Kindle Paperwhite. I bought one of the latest Kindles. I had had one many, many years ago, but I hadn't had the new modern one where it looks like paper. It's like paper that's backlit. I don't know how they did that, but I've been reading on my phone for years and years now. I do all my reading on my phone. I download books. Read on phone. But the bright light. I didn't even realize how tiring it was until I went to the Kindle Paperwhite. The Kindle Paperwhite Backlit. I can read like I used to be able to do with a book. Just keep reading and keep reading. Keep reading without getting tired. It's way, way, way better. Way. So if you're a person who reads on electronic advice. Device, not advice. I. I'm giving you advice. I highly recommend the Kindle, but it's much better.

[Katie Herzog]

The paper White. I, I couldn't tell whether you're saying that or paper weight with a British accent. It's a Piper.

[Jack]

Why, crikey, crikey. Look at it.

[Armstrong]

Australia now. But.

[Jack]

All right.

[Katie Herzog]

I'm a Nook man myself, but I'll have to look into the advanced.

[Jack]

Okay. The nuke might be the same. I don't know.

[Katie Herzog]

It's more just glowy screeny. But I don't have the device. I just use the app on my iPad.

[Jack]

Oh, okay. Yeah, the, the, the, the, the Kindle Paper white thing, it makes it look like paper. I don't know how they did that. It doesn't look like you're looking at a screen. It looks like you're looking at a page in a book.

[Katie Herzog]

Yeah. Wow.

[Jack]

Groovy. And it's just completely different on the eyes. But anywho. Yes.

[Armstrong]

I can't believe you read on your phone like books on your phone.

[Jack]

I've read hundreds of Books on my phone.

[Armstrong]

That's amazing to me. I could. I don't. I have trouble.

[Jack]

Like, I'll.

[Armstrong]

I'll find an article I'm interested in and I will email it to myself and pull it up on my computer. Because for some reason on my phone, like, notifications come up and I get distracted. Yeah.

[Katie Herzog]

Too much scrolling, my thumbs get tired.

[Jack]

I just like that I always have it with me. That's the thing I liked about it. I always have it with me. So if I'm in line for two minutes, I read for two minutes. Anywho, can you set this up for us, Katie? What are we about to hear?

[Armstrong]

There's this trend going around the Internet where people have some form of a medical procedure done, and as they're coming out of anesthesia, people film them. And in theory.

[Jack]

In theory, the people closest to you who care most about you, the first thing on their mind is, how can I exploit this for clicks and laughs on the Internet, Right?

[Armstrong]

And these people just say the darndest of things.

[Jack]

Okay, so these are people coming out of anesthesia. Are you rich?

[Katie Herzog]

No, I'm a nurse.

[Armstrong]

Definitely not rich.

[Jack]

I need sugar Daddy.

[Variety Podcast Host]

Do you have a boyfriend?

[Jack]

No, I don't have a boyfriend. I wish I did.

[Katie Herzog]

Nobody loves me.

[Jack]

My wife, she'll get upset if she sees you touching me like that on my chest. Not everyone. Sup?

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[Jack]

I'm gonna take a.

[Katie Herzog]

No, I'm okay, thanks.

[Jack]

I'm just gonna scan it. Look, it's like a laser beam.

[Armstrong]

You know, if you wanted to take.

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[Jack]

Don't film your loved ones coming out of anesthesia. But I. It's funny. I've never talked about this on the air, and I don't know the actual story. I just have a feeling. It's like. So I. The most under anesthesia I've ever been in my life is when they did one of the things when I had cancer. And to go into me and do a bunch of awful things, and they put me under, and the whole day is a bit of a blur, but I think I said something I shouldn't have said to some woman.

[Katie Herzog]

Oh.

[Jack]

Just. Just based on the way she reacted the next time I saw her, she even said something along the lines. And I can't quite remember because this is 10 years ago. Something along the lines, yeah. If we have to do that again, I'm gonna have someone else do it. Just kind of joke like. Like. Like she was joking like you. Like she thought I remembered, but I didn't. And I just kind of smiled. And I've always thought, I wonder what I did or said.

[Armstrong]

That's dumb on her part. If she. She's in the medical field and she's gonna hold something you said under anesthesia against you, that's dumb.

[Katie Herzog]

Yeah, you're right. And sucky.

[Jack]

That's a decent point right there. I mean, oh, no, you can't be.

[Katie Herzog]

Held responsible for that at all.

[Jack]

No, I felt guilty about it for 10 years.

[Armstrong]

That makes me mad at her because.

[Jack]

To be honest with you, just her body language. Because I'd had. I'd been working with her for months on medical stuff and seeing her a couple times a week and everything like that. Everything changed on our relationship after that.

[Armstrong]

She's in the wrong field, so I.

[Jack]

Don'T know what I said to her. You've never confronted her about it? No. I don't want to know. Kind of.

[Katie Herzog]

We should. Let's get her on the phone right now. So now I'm strong. You get a wacky follow up call.

[Armstrong]

Do it. That's ridiculous.

[Katie Herzog]

I wonder. I wonder if it was just so prolonged and graphic or they had to restrain me.

[Jack]

I have no idea.

[Armstrong]

A little handsy.

[Jack]

I took my pants off. I have no idea what happened.

[Katie Herzog]

Wow.

[Armstrong]

I still think that's really dumb, but.

[Jack]

That'S a good point. I mean, yeah, you're. You're so. My ID ran wild. I can't help what my ID did.

[Katie Herzog]

Right, right. Your super ego was still under.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Armstrong]

One of my favorite of the Waking up from Anesthesia videos is it's this woman and she's coming out of whatever she was going through, and she looks over and her husband's standing there and she did not recognize him at all. And she goes, oh, you're really cute, but I'm married. And he was like, oh, you are. That's. And he played into it and then at the end of it, he goes, well, I am your husband. And she starts happy crying. She's like really, like grabs on.

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[Jack]

That is sweet. Glad it didn't go the other direction.

[Armstrong]

Exactly.

[Jack]

You've got to be kidding.

[Katie Herzog]

No, I would never marry someone.

[Jack]

I chose you. No.

[Katie Herzog]

Was I desperate? What happened? Thank God it didn't go that way.

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[Katie Herzog]

Speaking of being intoxicated or altered, it's in the fabulous Free Press by a woman by the name of Katie Herzog. She's talking about the fact that she was a chronic drinker alcoholic for 20 years. We're talking 10 to 12 drinks a day every day.

[Jack]

10 to 12 a day.

[Katie Herzog]

Not a big gal either. Yeah, that's, that's getting after it, I'd say. And she said, short of rehab, I tried all the usual treatments to get better and a few less usual ones. Alcoholics Anonymous, Cognitive behavioral therapy, individual counseling, group counseling, Yoga, cleanses, white knuckling it through cravings, and Shakespeare. At one point, I tried swapping out my drinking habit for a cannabis one, which no drug counselor would recommend but was less dangerous. The worst thing that happened to me on weed was accidentally inhaling old bong water and everything. Most of the things worked, at least for a little while. But even when I wasn't drinking, the obsession with drinking was still there. She says I marked sober days on my calendar as though I were in prison, counting down each one until eventual relapse, which she says she was kind of secretly hoping for. And then, man, she was in terrible, terrible shape after she relapsed. Just crippling hangovers and like abdominal pain, probably from her liver. And. And before I get to the uplifting and really interesting scientific part, here's like the sad, sad moment. She says, at some point I realized I was the last one at the party there. So long the parley party slowly withered away as my drinking buddies got careers or kids or cancer. I was alone with my bot and miserable for it. So anyway, she mentions she had read.

[Jack]

How old was she at that time? Do we have any idea?

[Katie Herzog]

Oh God, yeah, late 30s, maybe early 40s. But then she talks about how AA came to be the standard treatment of alcohol use disorder in the US but she read about another treatment that had been developed In Finland, the Sinclair method. Have you ever heard of this? Because you know a lot about this stuff. All you do, she wrote, is take a dose of the opioid blocker naltrexone, wait an hour, then drink. This has been shown, she said, to reduce both cravings and consumption. Some people use this method to drink normally, moderately. Others get entirely sober.

[Jack]

So it's a way that you can drink. Okay, that's interesting.

[Katie Herzog]

Yes. Whether it's on your way to sobriety or just moderation or whatever. But the point of it is, you get all the physical effects of alcohol. Slurred speech, drowsiness, loss of coordination, hangover, et cetera, without the buzz. I'd take the out of it drug. Precisely. This drug cancels your ability to feel any sort of buzz. Wow. A lot. A lot of people are doing this on their own. You have to get a doctor who's. Who says, wow. Okay, I get it. That makes sense. Or is familiar with this treatment. But it's not like, super well known or approved. There are a few private Facebook groups with thousands of members and that sort of thing.

[Jack]

Well, I have two comments on that. One. Whatever works for you, works for you. Try whatever you can. If it works. Good. 2 comments on that. Though one kind of reminds me of my. Since I can't taste sweet, I lost my ability to taste sweet because of COVID and almost everybody's reactions. Oh, I wish that would happen to me. I eat more sweets than I ever ate in my life because I can't taste sweet. So I just think. I wonder how that factors in the fact that you. You're taking the drink probably because you want the buzz, but you're not getting it. So I wonder what that does to you, if it makes you want other things or whatever. I don't have any idea. And then I also know the problem with that because the. What is that Anabuse there, The thing you can take that makes you throw up if you drink.

[Armstrong]

That's what I was just thinking of. Yeah.

[Jack]

Because I've known people who tried that. The problem with it is at some point you decide you want to drink, so you don't take it. So at some point these people, maybe they would. You think, I want the buzz. So I'm not going to take that thing that keeps me from not getting the buzz now.

[Katie Herzog]

Right. She just. What she says is it in a way that nothing else did. Just ended the craving for her.

[Jack]

Now, that's interesting.

[Armstrong]

That's amazing.

[Katie Herzog]

Like for years. And she's been sober for a Long time now and. And hangs around people who are drinking. And it's fine. She just has no desire to drink. And again, I don't. I'm not claiming that this is a universal cure all. Is this the.

[Jack]

I saw the COVID of a book somewhere.

[Katie Herzog]

Drink your way sober?

[Jack]

Yes.

[Katie Herzog]

Yeah.

[Jack]

The brain is so freaking complicated. This is what I always say on this topic. I'm stunned with all the addicts we've got laying around on the street that we haven't gotten further down the road of figuring this out. I'll tell you what doesn't work. Rehabs, they. They all, they're like, all practically useless. But it's everybody's first choice to throw money.

[Katie Herzog]

At best, PR to results ratio in the history of mankind might be.

[Jack]

Yeah. Well, I hope this lady's thing works.

[Armstrong]

I have a question about that Anabuse stuff, Jack. I don't know how much you know about it, but is it something that you take on like a daily basis and build up a tolerance with it, or do you just take it prior to drinking? Because I had a friend that tried this and she would just take it prior to thinking she might drink.

[Jack]

Yeah, I think, I think it's just prior to. I don't know. I. I don't remember. I knew somebody that tried it and their. Their thing was sometimes they drank because they wanted to drink so bad and then they violently threw up. And then other times they think, I want to drink today, so I'm not going to take my Anabuse pill today.

[Katie Herzog]

Right. I remember years and years ago you're talking about this sort of topic and correct me or edit me if I'm off. But it's said in the recovery community that you're trying to fix your brain with your brain.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Katie Herzog]

And that's a very challenging thing to do, obviously.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Katie Herzog]

And the point of this semi obviously is that the positive feedback slowly just goes away because you don't get it. You got to be motivated enough to do it over a longer, long enough period that your brain saying, oh, this will be great, this will be great, this will be great, just goes away.

[Jack]

That's what reminded me of the sweets thing, though. I was. I've been hoping that would happen with the sweets. Now maybe it treats whatever you get out of drugs and alcohol escape differently than sweets. But I kept thinking, doesn't my brain at some point realize you don't get any benefit from the donut, so quit craving sweets?

[Katie Herzog]

I wonder if it has something to do with the discovery that, like diet soda and artificial Sweeteners don't do you any good really, because your body still has an innate lust, desire, need for something sweet, which is probably 400,000 years old, having to do with needing to get a certain amount of fruit or whatever diet. And so your animal brain is craving that in a way it doesn't crave. Forgetting about my problems for an hour while I watch music videos on YouTube. Could be I'm describing a friend's evening, not mine.

[Jack]

I wish I craved vegetables the way I crave sweets. Wouldn't that be awesome? I've never craved a vegetable in my life, but constantly craving.

[Armstrong]

I could sure go for some broccoli right about now.

[Jack]

Constantly crave sweets and I can't satisfy at least the the taste of it because I can't taste it.

[Katie Herzog]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Katie Herzog]

Anyway, the book once again is called Drink Yourself Sober, which is obviously kind of a clever and counterintuitive title to grab your attention.

[Jack]

I hope it works. That would be great for everyone if it works. There is a famous story of a woman who wrote a book about moderation or something that got pretty famous for a while and she ended up dying in a drunk driving crash when she drank again. So I hope it works, you know.

[Katie Herzog]

And even if it works for, I don't know, 20% of people, 10%, that's better than none.

[Jack]

It'd be much higher than rehabs.

[Katie Herzog]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Well, I guess that's it.

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